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(The News & Observer (NC))   Kyle Petty says Danica Patrick isn't a race car driver, just a marketing creation. While he is 100% correct, this would have more weight coming from a driver who didn't get his job only because his daddy put him in a car   (newsobserver.com) divider line 32
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2013-06-28 11:07:41 AM  
3 votes:
Funny that women have to be perfect at everything.  Even if they are beating half the men, those men are still considered "real" while the woman is still "fake".
2013-06-28 01:02:43 PM  
2 votes:

TheFark5000: Funny that women have to be perfect at everything.  Even if they are beating half the men, those men are still considered "real" while the woman is still "fake".


It's not about being real or fake, it's marketing and the amount of coverage an athlete gets vs. what they have accomplished. Danica has not earned the amount of attention she gets for any reason other than being a cute girl. Same principle for Dale Jr., and 10x that for Tim Tebow, many among us would like them to earn the time spent on them. I have nothing against Jr. or Danica but I feel they are given way to much coverage given what they have accomplished careerwise.


/login is before Jr had that number, has nothing to with him
2013-06-28 11:31:44 AM  
2 votes:
Good racers win races.
2013-06-28 11:15:56 AM  
2 votes:
So what you're saying is if Dale Earnhardt Jr. said the same thing it'd have the same weight as Kyle Petty saying it?
2013-06-28 10:57:14 AM  
2 votes:

colinspooky: Kyle admitted as much, subby.   No doubt Danica is a natural beauty, but she also does ok on the track - coming mid-field most of the time, which means she regularly beats half the drivers that start, and that's pretty darn good at the very top level of any sporting branch


She beats a bunch of start and parkers, crash/engine victims, and underfunded racers.

Her teammates who are racing with the same equipment as she is are 15th and 18th in the standings, while she is 27th.  She's dead last in the standings among full time drivers of the mid to upper level Sprint Cup teams.


/TMYK
2013-06-28 10:40:27 AM  
2 votes:
Kyle admitted as much, subby.   No doubt Danica is a natural beauty, but she also does ok on the track - coming mid-field most of the time, which means she regularly beats half the drivers that start, and that's pretty darn good at the very top level of any sporting branch
2013-06-29 04:04:34 AM  
1 votes:
Actually, Kyle Petty has a right to say this because, at the very least, he never had manufactured popularity.

Now, if DALE JUNIOR said this, I'd laugh my freaking ass off. He'd be the pot calling the kettle black, if anyone.
2013-06-29 02:19:49 AM  
1 votes:
What's worse:

- Knowing that she's just a manufactured marketing ploy, or;
- Knowing that a manufactured marketing ploy is still placing 10th in IndyCar for 2011, 10th in Nationwide for 2012, and 27th in Sprint Cup for 2013?

See, we know she's a marketing ploy, there, Petty. What sends a rather damning note about the sport to the rest of us is that she's still made $90K+ a week on average in June, even when she ends up in 29th place.

She may be a marketing ploy, but the simple fact is that she demonstrates that racing demands more money & backing than it does skill - so what, exactly, does that say about you, the proverbial kid born with a silver stick shift in your mouth?
2013-06-28 09:23:00 PM  
1 votes:
Danica has had championship-caliber equipment and has done nothing with it. She had Rahal (when the Panoz was good), Andretti Autosport in Indycar and now JR Motorsports and SHR cars. What did Kyle Petty have? Other than decent SABCO equipment in the early 90s (if 1992 had a chase, Kyle Petty would have won), he raced for his dad's team which was his downfall, and also with the Wood Brothers in the 80s when they were starting their long way down to mid-pack. If Kyle raced for Hendrick or Roush, he would have easily had more wins.

She is a sex symbol and a marketing machine who uses her FHM and SI bikini shoots to her advantage. I don't think, say, Johanna Long would ever do a bikini shoot.
2013-06-28 06:28:05 PM  
1 votes:
To sum up:
-She's good enough to be there, but not great enough to win.
-Is 26th in points while driving a first-rate car (Hendrick).
-She brings in sponsor $$, thus guarantees herself a ride.
-She gets disproportionate coverage for her racing achievements.
-We'd all disappoint her in 15 seconds, but we'd much rather disappoint many of the male drivers' wives.
-Kyle Petty, as he points out, is an authority on running in the back of the field every week.  He's almost saying, "She's not better than me and I wasn't all that good."  (He still has eight wins.)

I'll add three things:
-She's 'caused' one wreck this season, for a cut tire.  Not caused by lack of driving skill.
-Her average start is 32nd.  Her average finish is 25th.  It would be much more telling if the numbers were reversed.
-She only has one DNF, for that cut tire.

These are all good signs that she's not terrible.  She brings in the $$ and fills out the field better than the guys who qualify, run one lap, and retire for transmission issues.
2013-06-28 06:10:44 PM  
1 votes:
Something something John Force daughters something something best 4.7 seconds of their lives.
2013-06-28 05:56:14 PM  
1 votes:

The Bestest: I can understand not liking all the media attention she gets, but let's set that aside and focus just on talent/accomplishment/whatever. How many other rookies are getting this level of ire and scrutiny?


Joey Logano, recently.  I'm going to be frank; he was pretty much middling until he moved to Penske (and even now, he's just slightly better).  Yes, he beat out Harvick at Pocono last year, but before that, his only other win was a rain-shortened New Hampshire event in '09, and his best points finish was in 2010 (16th).  But through his first two seasons, you couldn't get DW and a few others to shut up about him.  Did it ever reach Danica levels?  No.  But it was certainly memorable.
2013-06-28 05:08:48 PM  
1 votes:
She's not bad. Still getting the hang of Cup cars and tracks. Doesn't help that just as she was getting used to one car (the COT) they switched to a new one (Gen6). Also, in Nationwide and Cup alike, she has a bad habit of getting caught up in other peoples wrecks. There were a number of top 10 finished in NWide that were wiped out because someone blew a tire and took out half the pack, including her. And don't forget the shoe incident in Montreal. She must have put her golden horseshoe in upside down, for all the bad luck she has had in her brief stock car career.
2013-06-28 03:23:40 PM  
1 votes:
In defense of Danica, she is far from the only person racing in Indy or NASCAR that got the ride because they are photogenic and do a good job pushing the sponsors product.  I'm sure being "Mayor of Hitchtown" helped in getting the Go Daddy Indy ride when Danica left for NASCAR.

That said, I wonder if Danica isn't content with being a mid pack spokesperson instead of a champion. When she was racing in Europe, Jackie Stewart said she had the talent to make it in F1.
2013-06-28 03:10:02 PM  
1 votes:

Lifeless: stir22: admittedly i don't know a whole lot about nascar, but, it appears to me that she is trying to save her equipment while learning.  i don't see a whole lot of aggressive driving from her towards the end of races.  imho, this is probably by design...why wreck a 200K car trying to get from 27th to 21st?

she was caught on mike during one race (i forget which one) saying that she wasn't getting any help, that drivers weren't getting out of her way when they were getting out of the way of other drivers...there might be something to this.  sure, she is middle of the pack now...but this is her what, 2nd year?  1st full year?  lets see where she is 2-3 years from now.

They won't let a newbie driver pass if they can't trust that driver to not cause a wreck while doing so.  Last year's champion, Brad Keselowski, took years to shed this stigma and earn the respect of the other drivers, and he did it through results.  She just isn't getting there in good equipment and won't be getting better equipment unless a top team gets desperate for money.


and this is why i defer to people who know about nascar.  i watch it for the enjoyment, but never got into it enough to actually think about the stuff you refer to.  i wonder how long she'll have a top-notch ride if she doesn't produce.
2013-06-28 02:09:45 PM  
1 votes:

poconojoe: meanmutton: She was a rather good open-wheel driver and is a mediocre NASCAR driver.  It's not like she's terrible or anything and certainly is good enough to be on the track with the men.

she was an okay open wheel driver in good equipment against a pretty average talent field in the IRL (her only win in the IRL came during a fuel-mileage race at Motegi).  with her team - she should have put together more wins and solid finishes, but she just didn't for whatever reason.

in NASCAR - had she stayed in Nationwide/Trucks for a few seasons and learned the setups and the tracks and what it takes to run at the front and been patient - she would be doing much better at the Cup level.  instead - Go Daddy wanted her in Cup and she's struggling.  will she learn and improve?  maybe.  will she win on the Cup level?  i doubt it, unless she gets a lucky break at daytona or talladega.


I agree, but I submit that had she stayed in IndyCar, she might be more competitive. In fact, this seems to be the problem - whenever she starts to find her groove, she moves/gets moved to another level and has to repeat the process. She needs another season or two in Nationwide; she had a few decent runs there last year, and might have had Road America were it not for Villenuve. If nothing else, it would have prepped her a little more for Cup.
2013-06-28 01:33:30 PM  
1 votes:

EightyEight: It's not about being real or fake, it's marketing and the amount of coverage an athlete gets vs. what they have accomplished. Danica has not earned the amount of attention she gets for any reason other than being a cute girl. Same principle for Dale Jr., and 10x that for Tim Tebow, many among us would like them to earn the time spent on them. I have nothing against Jr. or Danica but I feel they are given way to much coverage given what they have accomplished careerwise.


Well, she has led laps in both the Daytona 500 and Indianapolis 500. She's only the 13th person ever to do that. Not 13th woman. 13th person period. That's nothing to sneeze at. Granted, she didn't win either of them, but she's got time. (The other 12: John and Mario Andretti, Al and Bobby Unser, Bobby Allison, A.J. Foyt, Robby Gordon, Jim Hurtubise, Juan Pablo Montoya, Tony Stewart, Tim Richmond, Johnny Rutherford.)
2013-06-28 01:16:19 PM  
1 votes:
Junior's career stats are pretty damn similar to Ryan Newman's, he belongs in Cup. Kerry couldn't hang, so he got the boot. Name only gets one so far.
2013-06-28 12:58:32 PM  
1 votes:

Robert1966: Not that Kyle was ever a thrilling driver, but getting your job just because of who your daddy is, is a cornerstone of NASCAR. Hell, that's how his own dad started, not to mention Dale Earnhardt (and, of course, Dale Jr).


Hell, that's why the HCIC (Head Chucklefark In Charge) is there.
2013-06-28 12:48:08 PM  
1 votes:

DoBeDoBeDo: Gosling: TheFark5000: Funny that women have to be perfect at everything.  Even if they are beating half the men, those men are still considered "real" while the woman is still "fake".

The really funny thing is that nobody ever ever ever mocks the guys that didn't even qualify.


You don't follow NASCAR that closely do you?    "Fat finger" Jimmy Spencer, "Parking for Jesus" Morgan Shepard.  It's a completely separate sport to make fun of the guys who don't qualify or start and park.


Okay the "Parking for Jesus" Morgan Shepard comment absolutely made my day. Thank you!
2013-06-28 12:22:36 PM  
1 votes:
Why is she even out of the kitchen?
2013-06-28 12:20:08 PM  
1 votes:

Gosling: TheFark5000: Funny that women have to be perfect at everything.  Even if they are beating half the men, those men are still considered "real" while the woman is still "fake".

The really funny thing is that nobody ever ever ever mocks the guys that didn't even qualify.



You don't follow NASCAR that closely do you?    "Fat finger" Jimmy Spencer, "Parking for Jesus" Morgan Shepard.  It's a completely separate sport to make fun of the guys who don't qualify or start and park.
2013-06-28 12:18:40 PM  
1 votes:
admittedly i don't know a whole lot about nascar, but, it appears to me that she is trying to save her equipment while learning.  i don't see a whole lot of aggressive driving from her towards the end of races.  imho, this is probably by design...why wreck a 200K car trying to get from 27th to 21st?

she was caught on mike during one race (i forget which one) saying that she wasn't getting any help, that drivers weren't getting out of her way when they were getting out of the way of other drivers...there might be something to this.  sure, she is middle of the pack now...but this is her what, 2nd year?  1st full year?  lets see where she is 2-3 years from now.
2013-06-28 12:18:24 PM  
1 votes:

bluorangefyre: So what you're saying is if Dale Earnhardt Jr. said the same thing it'd have the same weight as Kyle Petty saying it?


Actually Jr. has more than double the cup wins in half the races, including a Daytona 500.   He also has 2 Nationwide (Busch) Championships under his belt.

As bad as people think Jr. is...............Kyle Petty is that much worse.
2013-06-28 12:11:22 PM  
1 votes:

meanmutton: She was a rather good open-wheel driver and is a mediocre NASCAR driver.  It's not like she's terrible or anything and certainly is good enough to be on the track with the men.


she was an okay open wheel driver in good equipment against a pretty average talent field in the IRL (her only win in the IRL came during a fuel-mileage race at Motegi).  with her team - she should have put together more wins and solid finishes, but she just didn't for whatever reason.

in NASCAR - had she stayed in Nationwide/Trucks for a few seasons and learned the setups and the tracks and what it takes to run at the front and been patient - she would be doing much better at the Cup level.  instead - Go Daddy wanted her in Cup and she's struggling.  will she learn and improve?  maybe.  will she win on the Cup level?  i doubt it, unless she gets a lucky break at daytona or talladega.
2013-06-28 11:26:49 AM  
1 votes:

bluorangefyre: So what you're saying is if Dale Earnhardt Jr. said the same thing it'd have the same weight as Kyle Petty saying it?


Yep.
2013-06-28 11:24:00 AM  
1 votes:
Not that Kyle was ever a thrilling driver, but getting your job just because of who your daddy is, is a cornerstone of NASCAR. Hell, that's how his own dad started, not to mention Dale Earnhardt (and, of course, Dale Jr).
2013-06-28 11:21:50 AM  
1 votes:

Rustybumperjack: Petty has always been the first to admit that he wasn't a great driver. He's just calling it like he see's it and I totally agree with him.


FWIW I think Adam would've been in between his dad and grandfather if he were still alive today, meaning he'd have been better than Kyle but he'd have nowhere close to 200 wins like Richard.  Going for eight championships, however, could've been plausible.
2013-06-28 11:15:50 AM  
1 votes:
She was a rather good open-wheel driver and is a mediocre NASCAR driver.  It's not like she's terrible or anything and certainly is good enough to be on the track with the men.
2013-06-28 10:55:37 AM  
1 votes:
Especially when your daddy is Strip "The King" Weathers.

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2013-06-28 10:27:47 AM  
1 votes:
Kyle Petty had 8 wins in 880 NASCAR races.  Danica has 0 in 86 NASCAR races and one Indy win in 115 starts.

This year, Danica has an average start of 32 and average finish of 26.  Not great numbers, but the latter puts her squarely in the middle of the pack.

She's a good driver, not great.

Oh, and yes, without question.
2013-06-28 08:57:27 AM  
1 votes:
Pretty funny from a guy who drove a car with a giant Wells Fargo logo on the hood.
 
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