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(ABC Local)   North Carolina summer camp for children is revealed to have two convicted murderers on its staff, including a convicted child killer. That whirring sound you hear is all the helicopter parents throwing fits   (abclocal.go.com) divider line 34
    More: Scary, child murder, North Carolina, helicopter parents, murderers, voluntary manslaughter, Doris Bullock, day camp  
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2013-06-27 11:17:39 PM
15 votes:
I don't think you need to be a helicopter parent too be upset about this. Or even a parent, really.....
2013-06-28 12:24:30 AM
4 votes:

Its.


No apostrophe.
2013-06-28 12:36:56 AM
3 votes:
Uh, as someone who volunteers at a summer camp for one week, this would bother me, and I'm a *counselor*. We've dealt with heleicopter parents. This is not helicopter parenty.

ESPECIALLY the child killing conviction would bug me. Because that makes me think about something potentially happening to one of the campers. Which puts me into a... I think TV tropes calls it "Papa Wolf" state of mind.

Do they.. do they not run background checks or something? Every year I have to submit a background check authorization form via our camp director, who submits it to Council.
2013-06-28 12:28:27 AM
3 votes:
You're not a helicopter parent just because this would bother you.

You're a helicopter parent if you call little Aiden's 3rd grade teacher to biatch about the 'satisfactory' mark he received on that paper mâché island you made for him, because he's definitely going to need double down on the athletic scolarship plan now if he is ever going to get into an Ivy League school...
2013-06-28 12:12:30 AM
3 votes:
Yeah, any NORMAL parent would be totally fine with it! Helicopter parents. PSH! Lighten up, already!
2013-06-28 01:34:56 AM
2 votes:
Helicopter parent? I'd be like Ares the God of War parent.
2013-06-28 12:44:14 AM
2 votes:
As long as they aren't in direct contact with kids, and are limited to administrative roles, I have no problem with this.

The camp seems to think they are outstanding employees, and they would know best. I'm a firm believer in second chances.
2013-06-28 12:36:23 AM
2 votes:
Second degree 30+ years ago, and voluntary manslaughter.

I don't see a real murderer here. They might have killed, but they didn't set out to kill.
2013-06-28 12:27:02 AM
2 votes:
And yet my outstanding student loans prevent me from getting my Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division license in Colorado.

Priorities.  Government haves them.
2013-06-28 12:25:18 AM
2 votes:
eloquentscience.com
2013-06-28 09:36:28 AM
1 votes:
Who cares? It was 30 years ago. We shouldn't judge what people did or said 30 years ago. Times were different then. Forgive (her) I mean them already!

/just got to the party
//been said yet?
2013-06-28 09:13:45 AM
1 votes:
I think I would need to know the circumstances of the crime. Left babby in hot car to run into the store for a minute but got caught up in a long line and babby died, stupid and irresponsible but I bet she won't be dangerous in the future. Smacked babby in the head for crying too much, yeah, no working with kids for you.
2013-06-28 08:55:40 AM
1 votes:

you are a puppet: To be fair they wouldn't have been convicted if Stand your Ground laws existed at the time.


Perhaps this and also that they were very targeted, so the likelihood of repeat-offending is probably low.
2013-06-28 05:14:43 AM
1 votes:

Alonjar: radarlove: There are three reasons it actually makes zero sense:

Its not just MMJ bro, thats kind of standard government treatment.  Try joining say, the Air Force sometime with debt.. you'll see real fast.


The fact that credit-based employment is systemic doesn't make it right.  Sadly, a lot of private sector businesses are adopting the same policy.  If you're deeply in debt, you can't have a job.  Which, of course, just makes the debt grow exponentially.  Those who most desperately need the work are deprived of it.  That's a total failure of the system.
2013-06-28 05:09:27 AM
1 votes:

radarlove: There are three reasons it actually makes zero sense:


Its not just MMJ bro, thats kind of standard government treatment.  Try joining say, the Air Force sometime with debt.. you'll see real fast.
2013-06-28 04:39:04 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: Let me get this straight: simply having student debt bars you from the biz, even if payments are not delinquent?


Don't know for sure, as my loans were a wee bit delinquent.  I've heard from other folks who got their licenses denied who claimed they were up on their payments, but that's very anecdotal.

What surprised me was that while that will bar you from the industry, violent felons are a-okay.  And yes, there are most definitely convicted murderers and rapists working at the less scrupulous dispensaries.  I've met a few.  They don't belong in the industry.

HotWingAgenda: That would actually make sense. They wouldn't want someone having an incentive to sell extra pot on the sly to people that don't have valid scripts, because he has to pay back a huge debt burden.


There are three reasons it actually makes zero sense:

1.  A person who has a debt to pay off and is working towards it is more likely to work hard and keep their nose clean, because they don't want to lose their job.  Loss of said job means that their debt spirals out of control, their credit rating is destroyed, and their lives and the lives of their families go in the shiatter.  I know this because I am currently living it.

2.  A person who is not working towards paying off their student loan debt at all is highly unlikely to jeopardize their employment and risk incarceration just so they can give Fannie Mae her due.  They're far more likely to just continue to not make payments.

3.  It is virtually impossible to "sell extra pot on the sly to people that don't have valid scripts" in the medical marijuana industry in Colorado.  From the instant that a cannabis seed or clone is planted, to the instant the cannabis leaves the dispensary, it is vigilantly tracked by the Medical Marijuana Enforcement Division.  Inspections of dispensaries and grow-sites are done frequently.  Scales weigh out to a hundredth of a gram, have to be calibrated and certified by state-licensed technicians a few times a year, and daily weight reports are sent to MMED.  Every inch of every grow op and every dispensary is monitored 24-hours a day by CCTV cameras that feed directly into MMED.  When transporting product from the grow to the shop or from one shop to another, you are required to file a manifest with MMED stating exactly how much product you have, your intended destination, and exactly when you will be on the road and what route you are taking.  I had to learn to fill out more paperwork to sell pot than I had to learn to fill out in cop school, and cops have a lot of paperwork.

If your counts are off by even a gram, MMED will find out about it, and they will find out why.  Medical marijuana is very tightly controlled in Colorado.
2013-06-28 02:12:13 AM
1 votes:
Its very difficult for convicted felons to get any type of work
Supervisors said they were great at their jobs
Their crimes were obviously isolated acts of desperation
Leave them alone
2013-06-28 02:07:05 AM
1 votes:
Alright you little shiats, keep on pissing mommy and daddy off and this is where you are going to be spending part of your summer..........
2013-06-28 01:46:10 AM
1 votes:
"One source told ABC11 that both Bullock and Gary work for the president of the school. The source also said that their roles go beyond administrative and that they work directly with kids.
That source also said that parents who enroll their children in the Kiddie Kollege Summer Camp are not told about the women's backgrounds, and that there is no policy on the hiring of ex-felons."

Well if "One source" says it's true on the internet, then it must truly be true!

/Media spin is best spin.
2013-06-28 01:45:04 AM
1 votes:

Greywar: Even worse notice...the child killer killed her OWN child.  not just some random kid.


People get charged with and found guilty of, murdering their children for accidental deaths. For cases like leaving the kid in a hot car.

And, yes, negligence like that isn't something you want in a camp councilor, but she isn't a councilor, she's in the administration. And it happened over 30 years ago.

So I believe that she isn't going to just go into work one day and stab some random kid to death.
2013-06-28 01:39:32 AM
1 votes:
OK, after some soul-searching I believe I would not raise a stink about this.  I would be concerned that my kid(s) in the camp might learn of it and be scared, but I think I could reassure them.  I would not tell them about it and raise fears unnecessarily.
2013-06-28 01:26:31 AM
1 votes:
2013-06-28 01:08:18 AM
1 votes:

Mock26: queezyweezel: I don't think you need to be a helicopter parent too be upset about this. Or even a parent, really.....

They served their time and have been reformed.  End of story.


Seriously?  Because, you know, I'm a fairly awful person.  I genuinely enjoy the misery of others if said others annoy me sufficiently. I know that's immoral, but I don't even feel bad about it.  Somehow, though, I have never killed anyone.
2013-06-28 12:59:35 AM
1 votes:
Hell, I have family I wouldn't trust my children with, and they haven't killed, or even molested anyone.

Sending kids to a camp that has failed criminals running it would remind me to much about the summer of '76, when I was a student volunteer for the Carter campaign.

Bob "I want more lemon and sugar in my iced tea" Beckel was a nut, but he only touched the girl that one time. Man, her Dad was less than pleased. But Bob did apologize, so I guess it is OK.

Did these killers ever apologize?
2013-06-28 12:54:06 AM
1 votes:

buckler: As long as they aren't in direct contact with kids, and are limited to administrative roles, I have no problem with this.

The camp seems to think they are outstanding employees, and they would know best. I'm a firm believer in second chances.


"The source also said that their roles go beyond administrative and that they work directly with kids."

So what's your problem now?
2013-06-28 12:48:12 AM
1 votes:

Felgraf: Uh, as someone who volunteers at a summer camp for one week, this would bother me, and I'm a *counselor*. We've dealt with heleicopter parents. This is not helicopter parenty.

ESPECIALLY the child killing conviction would bug me. Because that makes me think about something potentially happening to one of the campers. Which puts me into a... I think TV tropes calls it "Papa Wolf" state of mind.

Do they.. do they not run background checks or something? Every year I have to submit a background check authorization form via our camp director, who submits it to Council.


Maybe you should rtfa, yes they knew, they are administrative employees not around kids, they were manslaughters possibly accidental, also many years ago.
2013-06-28 12:45:44 AM
1 votes:

queezyweezel: I don't think you need to be a helicopter parent too be upset about this. Or even a parent, really.....


They served their time and have been reformed.  End of story.
2013-06-28 12:37:10 AM
1 votes:
SHHHHH SHHHHHH SHHHHHHH SHHHHHHH!

HAHH HAHH HAHH HAHHHHH!
2013-06-28 12:36:45 AM
1 votes:
And a properly timed leak of that information should serve to keep those little angels in line.
2013-06-28 12:27:47 AM
1 votes:
I'm a graduate of that camp, and I can tell you, there are not as many murders as you think.

And read teh article - these half-weight pussies haven't been convicted of jaywalking much less 'OMFG MURMUER!"

Moral Panic/Summer Shark Story/Nothing to see here/Send your unpopular kids
2013-06-28 12:27:25 AM
1 votes:
North Carolina summer camp for children is revealed to have two convicted murderers on it's staff, including a convicted child killer. That whirring sound you hear is all the helicopter parents Bob the Angry Flower throwing fits
2013-06-28 12:23:47 AM
1 votes:
Walmart is out of ammo. WTF?
2013-06-28 12:23:19 AM
1 votes:
So hiring Gacy the clown wasnt a good idea?
2013-06-28 12:21:55 AM
1 votes:
What a great idea. This will teach the kids how to recognize criminals and the optimal defense strategies. If the kids get killed anyway, well, it's for the best... call it weeding out the weak/thinning the herd/Darwinism in action.
 
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