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(Schneier on Security)   Remember way back in 1997 when the NSA thought it was un-American to spy on Americans? Neither do we   (schneier.com) divider line 67
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2013-06-28 07:14:18 AM

hasty ambush: [safr.kingfeatures.com image 760x237]


Is it some kind of law that conservative humor isn't funny? I mean, I already know conservatives don't care about the meanings of words, but damn.
 
2013-06-28 07:29:54 AM
I have no problem with them spying on al qaeda. The Democrats were outraged about it during Bush but they applaud Obama for spying on tea party types.
 
2013-06-28 07:31:13 AM

KeatingFive: hasty ambush: [safr.kingfeatures.com image 760x237]

Is it some kind of law that conservative humor isn't funny? I mean, I already know conservatives don't care about the meanings of words, but damn.


It's not meant to be "funny" funny. It's meant to be "fark you" funny.
 
2013-06-28 07:32:52 AM
Remember way back in 1963 when certain members of the CIA thought it was un-American to take out a US President? Neither do we
 
2013-06-28 07:58:16 AM

uknesvuinng: Or, you know, you could reference an actual argument that he made, that airport security measures are too costly for minimal benefit and easily bypassed.


I don't buy it.  Sure, if I'm a full-on terrorist, well trained and disciplined, it would probably be exceedingly easy to get past a TSA checkpoint.

But if I'm Bubba McRedneck, and while in flight from Tampa to Shreveport my cousin tells me she's screwing Cousin Darrel, too, I probably won't have a gun in my pocket to express my displeasure.

I'd be willing to guess that planes would be as popular a place to stage mass murder/suicides as schools are today, if the security threshold were lowered.  Just because they aren't effective at thwarting a determined, premeditated foe focused on creating airline havoc doesn't mean that TSA checkpoints aren't effective at preventing less premeditated incidents, or simply redirecting attacks to easier targets.
 
2013-06-28 08:41:52 AM

KeatingFive: hasty ambush: [safr.kingfeatures.com image 760x237]

Is it some kind of law that conservative humor isn't funny? I mean, I already know conservatives don't care about the meanings of words, but damn.


Hmmm, lemme look it up in the Conservtionary:

FUNNY (fun' ee) adj.  Insulting to Liberals.
 
2013-06-28 08:47:28 AM
How quickly, it seems, we forget initiatives like the Clipper chip.

Courage is dead in American society and leadership, and we can pinpoint the actual time of death with great precision. But it was not a sudden death, and I am not entirely sure we can pinpoint when it started. This had been building for a very long time, and had been touch-and-go for years.
 
2013-06-28 08:50:02 AM
I'm sick of 9/11 changing everything, can't we change some shiat back at this point?
 
2013-06-28 08:59:43 AM

Headso: I'm sick of 9/11 changing everything, can't we change some shiat back at this point?


So what you're saying is that if we finish constructing two twin skyscrapers on November 9th, we can reverse history?
 
2013-06-28 09:27:34 AM
I was a very small fish in the intelligence pond and got out many years before 9/11; but at that time there was a very distinct line. I'm not going to talk about how/what etc because I raised my hand to not do so, and that means something to me. I apologize if you don't like the silly, obviously fake example.

Pretend I'm standing in a large park and have this nifty device that I can point at people and learn 'stuff'. The moment I determine that one of the people is an American, by law I not only had to immediately point my nifty device somewhere else, but I had to immediately destroy any 'stuff' that I learned and stored/wrote down. Immediately. And here's the kicker: there were no 'what-if's'. I could have discovered that they were bbqing babies in their back yard, didn't matter; done. No BS. Freaking done.

It's my understanding after 9/11 those rules have been... modified.  Supposedly now in the same scenario if my nifty device discovers an American with a non-American, and that one or the other intends to do 'bad things' (scale is a factor - a really inappropriate bbq)... certain enquiring alphabet entities want to know.

I get why many have a  persistent dislike of the FBI (ATF in particular), and the CIA's reindeer games... well, as many stupid things that come out from under the carpet, believe me when I say they are very good at what they do. But the NSA - dwarfs them in size and sheer information - they do a brilliant job; the keystone to US National Security.  Am I happy with what I understand they are doing now? No, but I understand the need, at least for the short term. The problem is: I do not foresee a rollback. LoL there are many, many things that have been done that I have a much bigger problem with.

/ I'm personally sickened by the sheer amount of data collection in the private sector - Facebook, Google, telcoms, etc. You'd have to get rid of all of that, and redo the backbone/architecture of... everything before even beginning to blind government(s); figure the odds. Don't get me started on the public video camera explosion.
//The way it's going, I expect lo-jack on all paroled prisoners, and DNA collection for ID (lol the freaking DMV) in my kids' lifetime.
 
2013-06-28 09:41:27 AM
Nice explanation of how the NSA is acting illegally if anyone cares what the words in laws mean:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/opinion/the-criminal-nsa.html?pagew a nted=all&_r=1&
 
2013-06-28 10:26:48 AM

KeatingFive: Is it some kind of law that conservative humor isn't funny?


What do you mean? I can be funny.

Guy walks into a bar, says, "Does anyone in here own a 5-foot-tall penguin?"

Everyone says, "No...."

Guy says, "Oh my God, I just ran over a nun!"
 
2013-06-28 10:28:43 AM

Pants full of macaroni!!: KeatingFive: hasty ambush: [safr.kingfeatures.com image 760x237]

Is it some kind of law that conservative humor isn't funny? I mean, I already know conservatives don't care about the meanings of words, but damn.

Hmmm, lemme look it up in the Conservtionary:

FUNNY (fun' ee) adj.  Insulting to Liberals.


Well, in the immortal words of Zaphod Beeblebrox, "F*ck 'em if they can't take a joke!"
 
2013-06-28 10:36:24 AM

Nem Wan: Nice explanation of how the NSA is acting illegally if anyone cares what the words in laws mean:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/opinion/the-criminal-nsa.html?pagew a nted=all&_r=1&


So it IS transparent? I mean, if it wasn't transparent, we wouldn't be able to tell. Because it's all opaque and stuff.

/Hint: Obama was wrong to say it's transparent
 
2013-06-28 08:21:11 PM

Nem Wan: Nice explanation of how the NSA is acting illegally if anyone cares what the words in laws mean:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/opinion/the-criminal-nsa.html?pagew a nted=all&_r=1&


The article is wrong in its opening paragraph.

"THE twin revelations that telecom carriers have been secretly giving the National Security Agency information about Americans' phone calls, and that the N.S.A. has been capturing e-mail and other private communications from Internet companies as part of a secret program called Prism, have not enraged most Americans. "

That's not what's happening.  That's the terrible reading comprehension and hear-say based on Glenn Greenwald's initial reporting that keeps getting re-hashed in the rumor mill.  For one, PRISM is an acronym.  Minor, but important if you're speaking authoritatively on something.  Second, PRISM is not just simply scooping up peoples' e-mails.  Glenn Greenwald's first writing stated that PRISM is basically just datamining through a back door at the various tech companies.  This was the NSA conspiracy-obsessed internet's wettest of dreams.

I don't know why hardly anyone seems to have read the clarifications since Glenn Greenwald's initial terrible reporting, but PRISM has nothing to do with drag nets or datamining.  I'm guessing that most people just aren't that literate on such a technical topic dealing with a somewhat esoteric community, and would prefer to pick apart the politics and legality rather than delve into the precise mechanics of what is happening, but FFS it's been weeks now.  This bullshiat Greenwald narrative needs to be rectified.

PRISM has nothing to do with datamining.  It's a system that handles the fulfillment of FISA warrants and National Security Letters.  Google, Apple, et.al have an SFTP dropbox on-site.  When their legal team receives and reviews a warrant or an NSL, they get the information requested and place it on the server in their offices.  The NSA then logs in and copies it to their own server.  That's PRISM.
 
2013-06-28 09:11:41 PM

ZipSplat: Nem Wan: Nice explanation of how the NSA is acting illegally if anyone cares what the words in laws mean:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/28/opinion/the-criminal-nsa.html?pagew a nted=all&_r=1&

The article is wrong in its opening paragraph.

"THE twin revelations that telecom carriers have been secretly giving the National Security Agency information about Americans' phone calls, and that the N.S.A. has been capturing e-mail and other private communications from Internet companies as part of a secret program called Prism, have not enraged most Americans. "

That's not what's happening.  That's the terrible reading comprehension and hear-say based on Glenn Greenwald's initial reporting that keeps getting re-hashed in the rumor mill.  For one, PRISM is an acronym.  Minor, but important if you're speaking authoritatively on something.  Second, PRISM is not just simply scooping up peoples' e-mails.  Glenn Greenwald's first writing stated that PRISM is basically just datamining through a back door at the various tech companies.  This was the NSA conspiracy-obsessed internet's wettest of dreams.

I don't know why hardly anyone seems to have read the clarifications since Glenn Greenwald's initial terrible reporting, but PRISM has nothing to do with drag nets or datamining.  I'm guessing that most people just aren't that literate on such a technical topic dealing with a somewhat esoteric community, and would prefer to pick apart the politics and legality rather than delve into the precise mechanics of what is happening, but FFS it's been weeks now.  This bullshiat Greenwald narrative needs to be rectified.

PRISM has nothing to do with datamining.  It's a system that handles the fulfillment of FISA warrants and National Security Letters.  Google, Apple, et.al have an SFTP dropbox on-site.  When their legal team receives and reviews a warrant or an NSL, they get the information requested and place it on the server in their offices.  The NSA then logs in and copies it to the ...


Look, people know what the truth is, and don't try to confuse them with fancy ivory-tower "facts" or "reasoning" you boot-licking sonofabiatch.

/Did I do that right?
 
2013-06-28 10:38:24 PM

Tired_of_the_BS: I was a very small fish in the intelligence pond and got out many years before 9/11; but at that time there was a very distinct line. I'm not going to talk about how/what etc because I raised my hand to not do so, and that means something to me....

/ I'm personally sickened by the sheer amount of data collection in the private sector - Facebook, Google, telcoms, etc. You'd have to get rid of all of that, and redo the backbone/architecture of... everything before even beginning to blind government(s); figure the odds. Don't get me started on the public video camera explosion...


[unobtrusively mixes you your all time fave drink, silently slides it across the bar to you]
 
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