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2013-06-27 11:49:01 PM

Infernalist: meyerkev: jjorsett: FlashHarry: you just know the house republicans will kill it. it's in their nature.

and they'll lose the latino vote for another generation.


I love how "The" Latinos are supposed to be this monolith that votes en bloc and who have only one issue. Do you assume Jews all vote alike? How about women?

To be totally fair, "the blacks" are incredibly monolithic (93% for Obama, where Latinos were 71%), and they're the only other large minority that hasn't managed to successfully integrate.  And since something like a fifth of the Latinos in the country are illegal and a bunch of the others are family/friends/etc of that fifth, I could see WHY latinos would be assumed to be monolithic on this issue.

/Asians don't count, since they're functionally culturally and economically white with different food at this point.

It's not monolithic so much as "We have zero reason to vote for the other guy who openly loathes us."


Al boils down to free stuff, period. Democrats promise free stuff in exchange for votes. Need more taxes to pay for that stuff, punish hard working Americans. Won't end, and country will collapse financially within the next couple decades. Simple math.

Immigration reform as it stands will cost us trillions of taxpayer dollars. Will further increase minority populations until they are the majority, somewhere around 2040. Then who will they blame when they control everything, nobody works, and crime is rampant?
 
2013-06-28 12:03:20 AM

gaspode: meyerkev:

To be totally fair, "the blacks" are incredibly monolithic (93% for Obama, where Latinos were 71%), and they're the only other large minority that hasn't managed to successfully integrate.

Did you just say that black people have not successfully integrated into the mainstream US population. Tell me you did not just say that thing.


He is probably from rochester hills.

So he knew a few lower upper class blacks and a few just barely out of pontiac.
 
2013-06-28 12:33:23 AM

I HATE LIBS: answer the question liberals.


How about "no"?  Does "no" work for you?
 
2013-06-28 12:47:53 AM

Craptastic: People are replying to this coont:


Not me, he's on my 'ignore' list, You are kinder in your farkle than I.
 
2013-06-28 12:48:41 AM
I see 68 traitors who need to be indicted, convicted and punished for treason...
 
2013-06-28 12:53:19 AM

kendelrio: So this bill will let the current estimated eleven million (11,000,000) illegals bypass the law to become citizens.

"Landmark immigration reform bill passes the Senate by a wide margin. Now it's off to die in the House "

[img0.joyreactor.cc image 600x314]


/let them follow the law to get citizenship.


Which they can't get without this bill.
 
2013-06-28 12:58:02 AM

Alphax: kendelrio: So this bill will let the current estimated eleven million (11,000,000) illegals bypass the law to become citizens.

"Landmark immigration reform bill passes the Senate by a wide margin. Now it's off to die in the House "

[img0.joyreactor.cc image 600x314]


/let them follow the law to get citizenship.

Which they can't get without this bill.


Sure they can. They get gtfo of the country, and do it legally like other people do.
 
2013-06-28 01:00:07 AM
The bill dies in the house because the republicans do not want the latino vote, and they know they can't get it with just this bill. State and Federal level GOP members have been branding their xenophobia for years now. This one bill isn't going to help that image much.

I hate to be so cynical, but i'd argue that the republicans in the senate that did vote for this bill are doing so for the good of the party (so they think) or to help save their seats. 

I wonder how their crazy base is going to deal with this. If republicans pass this in the house, i think we might actually start to see tangible fragments appear in the GOP party. Will the republican big wigs let that happen?

I don't know.
 
2013-06-28 01:00:37 AM

Testiclaw: theorellior: gingerjet: All my H-1B employees and their 100k+ salaries would disagree with you. The US sucks at training engineers.

Maybe you just didn't look hard enough?

Has he ever tried to just hire new engineering grads and train them the way you want them?

Maybe invest in them a bit and invest in American employment, as well?

Maybe give grads a reason to want to work hard and make it to your company when they graduate?


We get baby engineers as interns(paid!) or a few years out of school, and train them up, because our company does such strange shiat there isn't "school" for it.

We also promote from within for people who can learn new things.

/we work four tens, too.
//boooyah, Thursday is the better Friday.
 
2013-06-28 01:06:27 AM

Dahnkster: Craptastic: People are replying to this coont:

Not me, he's on my 'ignore' list, You are kinder in your farkle than I.


His is succinct

/mine is descriptive
 
2013-06-28 01:16:19 AM

kendelrio: Anayalator: kendelrio: So this bill will let the current estimated eleven million (11,000,000) illegals bypass the law to become citizens.

"Landmark immigration reform bill passes the Senate by a wide margin. Now it's off to die in the House "

[img0.joyreactor.cc image 600x314]


/let them follow the law to get citizenship.

psssst...hey...a bill  becomeslaw, it doesn't bypass it. Just so you know.

Yes, I saw the cartoons as a kid too.... The point I'm making is why reward their breaking of the law????


The Law is stupid and it sucks.

What do?
 
2013-06-28 01:20:02 AM

tkwasny: Mrtraveler01: tkwasny: Such a deeply partisan democrat site this place is. Filled with hate for anyone that dare oppose their pack. Even though not a single person read the bill, its all good, shut up lock-step-goose step in line everyone. Don't you all realize both parties are 2 sides of the same coin playing you with good cop / bad cop, each with their strawmen? Sheesh.

So does this mean I should vote Republican?

Voting hasn't mattered since Ike when the CIA and Joint Chiefs took over and set up this facade WE fight over. Vote if it makes you feel better.


LOL!  Oh wow..
 
2013-06-28 01:25:40 AM

fartacus: WTF Indeed: It's a good thing Republicans learned their lesson from 2012 and are growing their base by supporting women's rights, gay rights and Hispanic and black outreach.

Yep, it's unfortunate that compromising principles and buying votes with handouts don't come as naturally to Republicans as they do to Democrats.


Do Republicans have any principles that aren't evil?
 
2013-06-28 01:34:15 AM

Thunderpipes: Immigration reform as it stands will cost us trillions of taxpayer dollars. Will further increase minority populations until they are the majority, somewhere around 2040. Then who will they blame when they control everything, nobody works, and crime is rampant?


So you're saying minorities, when left to their own devices, naturally tend to be lazy, not work, and commit crimes. but you're totally not racist.
 
2013-06-28 01:37:13 AM

FlashHarry: and they'll lose the latino vote for another generation


You mean the illegal immigrant vote?  As in the people who can't vote to begin with?
 
2013-06-28 01:40:56 AM

mike_the_engineer: FlashHarry: and they'll lose the latino vote for another generation

You mean the illegal immigrant vote?  As in the people who can't vote to begin with?


No, the majority who were born here.
 
2013-06-28 01:43:01 AM

log_jammin: Thunderpipes: Immigration reform as it stands will cost us trillions of taxpayer dollars. Will further increase minority populations until they are the majority, somewhere around 2040. Then who will they blame when they control everything, nobody works, and crime is rampant?

So you're saying minorities, when left to their own devices, naturally tend to be lazy, not work, and commit crimes. but you're totally not racist.


He isn't a real person, he is a made up persona.
 
2013-06-28 01:44:10 AM

Bonzo_1116: Testiclaw: theorellior: gingerjet: All my H-1B employees and their 100k+ salaries would disagree with you. The US sucks at training engineers.

Maybe you just didn't look hard enough?

Has he ever tried to just hire new engineering grads and train them the way you want them?

Maybe invest in them a bit and invest in American employment, as well?

Maybe give grads a reason to want to work hard and make it to your company when they graduate?

We get baby engineers as interns(paid!) or a few years out of school, and train them up, because our company does such strange shiat there isn't "school" for it.

We also promote from within for people who can learn new things.

/we work four tens, too.
//boooyah, Thursday is the better Friday.


Any internships for baby engineers of the Mechanical variety?

/will be sending out internship resumes next summer
//would prefer to start my own company bent on world domination
///people will make great lubricant for my machines of war
 
2013-06-28 01:52:24 AM

jst3p: log_jammin: Thunderpipes: Immigration reform as it stands will cost us trillions of taxpayer dollars. Will further increase minority populations until they are the majority, somewhere around 2040. Then who will they blame when they control everything, nobody works, and crime is rampant?

So you're saying minorities, when left to their own devices, naturally tend to be lazy, not work, and commit crimes. but you're totally not racist.

He isn't a real person, he is a made up persona.


an alt or something?
 
2013-06-28 01:59:50 AM

ferretman: Once again the Senate is so serious about an important issue they fill the bill with more pork than Oscar Mayer produces.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/27/Immigration-Bill- Ri ddled-With-Pork


Breitbart?  Really?  Was Weekly World News too busy with an Elvis sighting?
 
2013-06-28 02:00:21 AM
Off topic, but I'm once again getting that bug in IE 8(which I wish I wasn't using) where I only can see the top 8 headlines on each tab.
 
2013-06-28 02:02:20 AM

Alphax: Off topic, but I'm once again getting that bug in IE 8(which I wish I wasn't using) where I only can see the top 8 headlines on each tab.


You get what you deserve.
 
2013-06-28 02:17:03 AM

Alphax: Off topic, but I'm once again getting that bug in IE 8(which I wish I wasn't using) where I only can see the top 8 headlines on each tab.


bwilson27: You get what you deserve.

Or you could do something useful instead of mocking what clearly was not their decision.

Alphax, have you considered running Firefox or Chrome off of a jump drive?  No installation required, handy for when you're using work or school computers.  http://portableapps.com/
 
2013-06-28 02:23:46 AM

jm105: Alphax: Off topic, but I'm once again getting that bug in IE 8(which I wish I wasn't using) where I only can see the top 8 headlines on each tab.

bwilson27: You get what you deserve.

Or you could do something useful instead of mocking what clearly was not their decision.

Alphax, have you considered running Firefox or Chrome off of a jump drive?  No installation required, handy for when you're using work or school computers.  http://portableapps.com/


We actually had Chrome on this work PC for a few months, not sure who put it there, but it was nice.  Then it wouldn't start after that really bad weather a few weeks back, with the thunderstorms and tornadoes that made the national news, and it took them a while to get around to doing a complete reinstall from scratch.

(also, the Fark admins fixed the problem at their end last time, and thanked me for the feedback)
 
2013-06-28 02:24:35 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: We've got plenty of room and less narco-terrorism. Quit being racist. If your skillset means you have trouble competing with a recent immigrant that doesn't speak the language, that's on you, loser.


THIS x1000

This is America (f*ck yeah), we're exceptional.  Now prove it, you slacker.

Be more awesome than the other guy.
 
2013-06-28 02:31:58 AM
Eh, I just went and installed Chrome.. thought I'd run into a barrier of some kind, but nope.

Still, someone should look at that IE 8 bug again.
 
2013-06-28 02:32:54 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: ferretman: Once again the Senate is so serious about an important issue they fill the bill with more pork than Oscar Mayer produces.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/27/Immigration-Bill- Ri ddled-With-Pork

Yeah... pork like this:
From the USA Today article: One provision tucked into the deal brokered by Republican Sens. Bob Corker of Tennessee and John Hoeven of North Dakota, for instance, would allow Alaska's seafood processors to employ foreign youngsters on a summer-work travel program - overturning a ban the Obama administration put in place last year to protect foreign exchange students from jobs the U.S. government deems dangerous.

Another measure would designate fish processing in the state a "shortage occupation," allowing the industry to quickly hire more overseas seasonal workers under a new "W" guest-worker visa program created by the bill. Alaska Sens. Lisa Murkowski, a Republican, and Mark Begich, a Democrat, successfully pushed for the language.

Wait... this isn't pork... IT'S FISH!


LOLOLOLOL

Dangerous, yet notoriously high-paying jobs that the Obama admin wanted to hold for Americans, these shiatstains voted AGAINST?  What assholes.
 
2013-06-28 02:42:26 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: Infernalist: Lt. Cheese Weasel: A Dark Evil Omen: Lt. Cheese Weasel: I like how you think fiscal responsibility is vague nonsense ungrounded in reality.  It's perfect.  It's the straight DNC Kool Aid, without the water.

"Fiscal responsibility"! "Pork"! "Obama poison pills"! Do you have a thought in your head that isn't a far-right bumper sticker?

Yep, I'd rather be a conservative nut job, than a liberal with no nuts and no job. Oh, wait....

I've often noticed that those with a conservative lean tend to wonder a great bit about male genitalia.  Why is that?

Also, I'm a liberal with nuts and a job, what does that make me?

Husband material.

But it has to be a gay marriage


I can do a three way.
 
2013-06-28 02:42:51 AM

Bahleted: Corvus: xaldin: Has anyone even looked at what Mexico's, or any central/south america country's policies are? We're a free for all in comparison.

I have lived on the Mexican border all my life. Most of the time I had to walk through a turn style fence (no passport or anything). Last time I crossed I just showed a passport.

On the Mexican side? Are you a born American? Do you own property there if so? Just curious I think its pretty interesting you must save money in property taxes.


Foreigners can't own Mexican land within 50 miles of the coast without fancy legal bullshiat, but in the inland areas I think it's pretty tasty.  The border wait would be a royal pain in the ass, even with the FastPass.  If you're driving the FastPass is like 1 hour at peak wait instead of 2-3 at peak, so still a royal pain the butt.  Only worth it if you set your own hours, work offshift, or are so rich you don't give a f*ck.


/wait times apply to the San Ysidro[San Diego]/Tijuana crossing, not sure what the wait times are further eastwards.   I read recently that the US Congress ass-f*cked monies for improving the SD/TJ crossing---busiest crossing point in the western hemisphere, and one of the most important in $$$$ for all concerned.
//congress can go f*ck themselves, the shortsighted dipshiats.
///If we had half a brain, Mexico would be our strongest ally.
 
2013-06-28 02:47:49 AM

gaspode: meyerkev:

To be totally fair, "the blacks" are incredibly monolithic (93% for Obama, where Latinos were 71%), and they're the only other large minority that hasn't managed to successfully integrate.

Did you just say that black people have not successfully integrated into the mainstream US population. Tell me you did not just say that thing.


Jesus Christ, black folks are more "American" than the bulk of white folks in this country, if you're counting generational residence time.

All those Ellis Island biatches need to get to the back of the line.
 
2013-06-28 02:56:44 AM
The way I see it

 
1)  An argument against illegal immigration is not an argument against immigrants or legal immigration. Believe it or not, but a majority of republicans think people who break the law should not get rewarded for it.  It's that easy.

 
2)  Dems want to import 20 million new dem voters to secure a one party system for ever.  If there was even a hint of the 20 million illegals all being potential republicans and NRA members, libs would be building the wall with their bare hands.

 
3)  Any business that wants to sell out Americans for cheaper labor needs to be out of business.   

 
4)  Any political party that wants to sell out Americans for votes needs to be out of business.
 
2013-06-28 02:57:04 AM

Testiclaw: Bonzo_1116: Testiclaw: theorellior: gingerjet: All my H-1B employees and their 100k+ salaries would disagree with you. The US sucks at training engineers.

Maybe you just didn't look hard enough?

Has he ever tried to just hire new engineering grads and train them the way you want them?

Maybe invest in them a bit and invest in American employment, as well?

Maybe give grads a reason to want to work hard and make it to your company when they graduate?

We get baby engineers as interns(paid!) or a few years out of school, and train them up, because our company does such strange shiat there isn't "school" for it.

We also promote from within for people who can learn new things.

/we work four tens, too.
//boooyah, Thursday is the better Friday.

Any internships for baby engineers of the Mechanical variety?

/will be sending out internship resumes next summer
//would prefer to start my own company bent on world domination
///people will make great lubricant for my machines of war


We absolutely farking LOVE mech E, especially if you understand polymers as materials.  It's medical device, so we drown in paperwork to prevent implanting things that kill patients.

On topic: as far as I know, we have no H1B on staff, but shiat-tons of legal immigrants on the payroll.  Because only awesome people immigrate here, and we obey the law.
 
2013-06-28 02:59:49 AM

uselessgit: The way I see it

 
1)  An argument against illegal immigration is not an argument against immigrants or legal immigration. Believe it or not, but a majority of republicans think people who break the law should not get rewarded for it.  It's that easy.

 
2)  Dems want to import 20 million new dem voters to secure a one party system for ever.  If there was even a hint of the 20 million illegals all being potential republicans and NRA members, libs would be building the wall with their bare hands.

 
3)  Any business that wants to sell out Americans for cheaper labor needs to be out of business.   

 
4)  Any political party that wants to sell out Americans for votes needs to be out of business.


I can agree with #3.  #1 acts like they're all felons.. their crime isn't even a misdemeanor.

#2 is pure bullshiat, and #4 doesn't apply.
 
2013-06-28 03:04:49 AM

Bonzo_1116: ///If we had half a brain, Mexico would be our strongest ally.


Second to canada imo, but I concur.  The solution to mexico is not blocking their 3rd-worldliness (which they aren't, really), but closing the drug war and giving them our business instead of places halfway around the world.
 
2013-06-28 03:14:03 AM

Alphax: uselessgit: The way I see it

 
1)  An argument against illegal immigration is not an argument against immigrants or legal immigration. Believe it or not, but a majority of republicans think people who break the law should not get rewarded for it.  It's that easy.

 
2)  Dems want to import 20 million new dem voters to secure a one party system for ever.  If there was even a hint of the 20 million illegals all being potential republicans and NRA members, libs would be building the wall with their bare hands.

 
3)  Any business that wants to sell out Americans for cheaper labor needs to be out of business.   

 
4)  Any political party that wants to sell out Americans for votes needs to be out of business.

I can agree with #3.  #1 acts like they're all felons.. their crime isn't even a misdemeanor.

#2 is pure bullshiat, and #4 doesn't apply.


#3 is crap too, depending on how you read it. If you take a pure moral argument within capitalism, it is wrong to interfere with a business chasing the cheap labor encouraged by competition and profit-seeking (and I highly doubt that useless get, with such a trolltastic post this late in the game, is into the kind of socialism where we go interfering heavily with trade and the labor market).

If you take an amoral argument then how do you define "selling out"? Would it be limited to legal vs. illegal? If that is the case, then point number 3 no longer has any relevance to immigration amnesty, as the newly amnestied would be legal anyways.


I can, however, see why number 4 might apply if we accept that point 2 is even playing a minor part here. Unfortunately, politicians doing what brings them the most votes is exactly what they should be doing in a democracy.  Beyond that the people should be educating themselves and making better decisions. If 20 million more democrat-likely voters through an amnesty program was really a "selling out" of America, then certainly our voters could send a clear message against it, and probably in larger numbers than 20 million.  We have enough non-voters to easily cover that; hell if they weren't a bunch of apathetic morons I imagine it would be cheaper to buy their votes than the immigration bill the senate passed.
 
2013-06-28 03:19:20 AM

Smackledorfer: I can, however, see why number 4 might apply if we accept that point 2 is even playing a minor part here. Unfortunately, politicians doing what brings them the most votes is exactly what they should be doing in a democracy.


Yeah, 'selling out America' for votes.. from Americans.. is nonsense on its face.  It's self contradicting.
 
2013-06-28 03:27:19 AM

Smackledorfer: Bonzo_1116: ///If we had half a brain, Mexico would be our strongest ally.

Second to canada imo, but I concur.  The solution to mexico is not blocking their 3rd-worldliness (which they aren't, really), but closing the drug war and giving them our business instead of places halfway around the world.


In the immortal words of one Barry O, "Could you say that a little louder, Candy?"
 
2013-06-28 03:34:09 AM

Smackledorfer: Bonzo_1116: ///If we had half a brain, Mexico would be our strongest ally.

Second to canada imo, but I concur.  The solution to mexico is not blocking their 3rd-worldliness (which they aren't, really), but closing the drug war and giving them our business instead of places halfway around the world.


Mexico is a bigger (by population) nation and natural economy than Canada.  Canada just happens to share a  language and more colonial history with us by virtue of being a colony of Britain. Except if you live in the southwestern section of the US, in which case we have far more historical and social ties with Mexico that we ever did with Canada.  Huge parts of the US used to truly be Spain/Mexico, and not just in some bullshiat way like the Russians "owned" Alaska.  In some cases local law even reflects this historical fact.

But really, NAFTA was a good idea at heart, Canada and Mexico are our cousins, and usually in the genetic sense.  They *are* family, and we should treat them as such.
 
2013-06-28 03:34:44 AM
If law is the biggest cause of crime, then if you remove the law, there is no crime.  So if you legalize all the current illegals you might think that it's a moot point, but there are still those that will know that people who broke the law got away with it.  Dems want to lock out the republicans, they want a one party system.  They see this as a means to secure that.  Republicans think that if they look pro illegal alien, then dems would stop trying to make the anti-illegal alien = anti-mudskinnedslapdemdarkiesandsendembacktomexicowheretheybelong.  Republicans are just not going to be comfortable with a sudden class of people granted legal status and it won't wash away the crimes commited by them.

Businesses already play loose with the illegal or bs H1B visa crap now, I can't imagine how much they'll suck up more underpaid skilled and/or highly skilled imported workers.  I'm in the software business, and if they could get rid of all us highly paid muricans and give our jobs to underpaid easy to import workers, they would.  This bill allows for it.  The net impact is a lessenig of worth of labor in America, by those already here (legal, naturalized and all else).  We have a high standard of living because we have a lot of high paying jobs.  I see it more as a means to protect that.  I see it as a kind of sell out to give away citizenship to people in exchange for power.  The problem is that this could have a leveling effect of labor across the world, and I don't think we want to go there.  But, since we'll have a one party welfare state, no one else here will care, I suppose.
 
2013-06-28 03:38:11 AM

make me some tea: Also, may I present the RINO Pussies::

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2013-06-28 03:40:10 AM

uselessgit: If law is the biggest cause of crime, then if you remove the law, there is no crime.  So if you legalize all the current illegals you might think that it's a moot point, but there are still those that will know that people who broke the law got away with it.  Dems want to lock out the republicans, they want a one party system.


Stop it, I called you out on that lie already.
 
2013-06-28 03:41:39 AM

FlashHarry: StopLurkListen: Immigration Reform Is Driving Republicans Insane
"Democrats are fighting to pass a bill because it's the right thing to do, even though they'll probably take an electoral hit from it. Republicans are fighting to kill a bill, even though it would be an electoral winner, because a small part of their base hates it. It's basically electoral suicide because they simply can't get out from under the tea party elephant that's strangling the life out of them. They built a monster, and now it's turned on them." -- Kevin Drum

democrats: countryparty before partycountry
republicans: partylynching before  countrydinner

that's all you really need to know.


FTFY
 
2013-06-28 03:57:04 AM
Bullshiat Alphax.  If the mass of illegals were all potential republicans, this bill wouldn't have been written.  Deny all you like, I'm used to liberals never saying what they really think.  You want a one party system.  As a liberal, anything it takes to make sure there is no opposition.  If anyone disagrees with you or other liberals, it automatically means they are wrong, stupid and should be marginalized?  What possible democrat party benefit can happen with an endless supply of democrat voters... that can't POSSIBLY be a factor. I'm sure. Not at all, out of the pure love and goodness in their saintly hearts, dems want to extend a hand to all those poor down-trodden.No other motive at all?Meanwhile evil businesses are looking to exploit cheap labor for their evil greedy greed greed money vaults? (which they are).I can admit there is an unspoken reason they want all the cheap labor, I can't understand why you don't think dems have a similar bent.
 
2013-06-28 04:01:38 AM

uselessgit: Bullshiat Alphax.  If the mass of illegals were all potential republicans, this bill wouldn't have been written.  Deny all you like, I'm used to liberals never saying what they really think.  You want a one party system.  As a liberal, anything it takes to make sure there is no opposition.  If anyone disagrees with you or other liberals, it automatically means they are wrong, stupid and should be marginalized?  What possible democrat party benefit can happen with an endless supply of democrat voters... that can't POSSIBLY be a factor. I'm sure. Not at all, out of the pure love and goodness in their saintly hearts, dems want to extend a hand to all those poor down-trodden.No other motive at all?Meanwhile evil businesses are looking to exploit cheap labor for their evil greedy greed greed money vaults? (which they are).I can admit there is an unspoken reason they want all the cheap labor, I can't understand why you don't think dems have a similar bent.


Paragraphs?  Never mind, there's no actual thoughts to break up.
 
2013-06-28 06:26:36 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: frymeupasteak: why i love fark:

not one of you has read the bill. not one of you really knows what is going on behind closed doors in washington dc. not one of you has any idea of the amount of pork, which means cronyism, money to relatives and donors and lobbyists and corporations and kickbacks to the politician etc etc that accompanies this and all bills.

i mean, you literally know nothing, but the discussion is always so profound, so all knowing, so partisan.
thanks fark, for another night of deep laughter and hilarity.

This.


Actually, I didn't comment on the bill.  I simply pointed out that John Boehner, back in February, declared that nothing of the President's agenda would come about unless it originated as legislation, and passed in the Senate.  And now, in June, Boehner is now declaring that even though the immigration bill originated and passed in the Senate, it will not even be voted on by the House.

That is a DIRECT contradiction of his previous declaration, and neither of you has risen to defend it with one of your twisted bits of logic.  Boehner lied, not the first time of course, and he is not being called out on it.
 
2013-06-28 06:33:51 AM

sufferpuppet: dear illegals,


ct.fra.bz

I'm sure not volunteering that sales tax/use tax on that web purchase is technically illegal. The for-profit prison industry could help the state recoup all that lost revenue from internet sales by charging tax on incarceration services for sales tax scofflaws.

To profit even more, the money making prisons could hire illegals at a lower pay scale.
 
2013-06-28 07:23:50 AM

Close2TheEdge: Britney Spear's Speculum: frymeupasteak: why i love fark:

not one of you has read the bill. not one of you really knows what is going on behind closed doors in washington dc. not one of you has any idea of the amount of pork, which means cronyism, money to relatives and donors and lobbyists and corporations and kickbacks to the politician etc etc that accompanies this and all bills.

i mean, you literally know nothing, but the discussion is always so profound, so all knowing, so partisan.
thanks fark, for another night of deep laughter and hilarity.

This.

Actually, I didn't comment on the bill.  I simply pointed out that John Boehner, back in February, declared that nothing of the President's agenda would come about unless it originated as legislation, and passed in the Senate.  And now, in June, Boehner is now declaring that even though the immigration bill originated and passed in the Senate, it will not even be voted on by the House.

That is a DIRECT contradiction of his previous declaration, and neither of you has risen to defend it with one of your twisted bits of logic.  Boehner lied, not the first time of course, and he is not being called out on it.


He's a politician
You're gonna have to come up with something better than that to raise the ire of either side of the aisle.
 
2013-06-28 07:44:45 AM
Condemn someone for telling the truth, but give a free pass to others for breaking the law.

Makes perfect sense.
 
2013-06-28 07:47:00 AM

JunkyJu: Condemn someone for telling the truth, but give a free pass to others for breaking the law.

Makes perfect sense.


This 'breaking the law' talking point is retarded.
 
2013-06-28 07:50:24 AM

StopLurkListen: Immigration Reform Is Driving Republicans Insane
"Democrats are fighting to pass a bill because it's the right thing to do, even though they'll probably take an electoral hit from it. Republicans are fighting to kill a bill, even though it would be an electoral winner, because a small part of their base hates it. It's basically electoral suicide because they simply can't get out from under the tea party elephant that's strangling the life out of them. They built a monster, and now it's turned on them." -- Kevin Drum


I like it....very well said. I'd hate to see the GOP die completely, just because the dems wouldn't have any kind of check on them to keep them in line, but...if the GOP is feeling suicidal, then who am I to stop them from stepping in front of that bus?
 
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