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2013-06-27 09:09:46 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: Lt. Cheese Weasel: I like how you think fiscal responsibility is vague nonsense ungrounded in reality.  It's perfect.  It's the straight DNC Kool Aid, without the water.

"Fiscal responsibility"! "Pork"! "Obama poison pills"! Do you have a thought in your head that isn't a far-right bumper sticker?


Yep, I'd rather be a conservative nut job, than a liberal with no nuts and no job. Oh, wait....
 
2013-06-27 09:09:48 PM

meyerkev: jjorsett: FlashHarry: you just know the house republicans will kill it. it's in their nature.

and they'll lose the latino vote for another generation.


I love how "The" Latinos are supposed to be this monolith that votes en bloc and who have only one issue. Do you assume Jews all vote alike? How about women?

To be totally fair, "the blacks" are incredibly monolithic (93% for Obama, where Latinos were 71%), and they're the only other large minority that hasn't managed to successfully integrate.  And since something like a fifth of the Latinos in the country are illegal and a bunch of the others are family/friends/etc of that fifth, I could see WHY latinos would be assumed to be monolithic on this issue.

/Asians don't count, since they're functionally culturally and economically white with different food at this point.


How can you not successfully integrate and then end up President?
 
2013-06-27 09:11:42 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: "Fiscal responsibility"! "Pork"! "Obama poison pills"! Do you have a thought in your head that isn't a far-right bumper sticker?

Yep, I'd rather be a conservative nut job, than a liberal with no nuts and no job. Oh, wait....


So no then?
 
2013-06-27 09:12:06 PM

FlashHarry: you just know the house republicans will kill it. it's in their nature.

and they'll lose the latino vote for another generation.



MAYBE, just MAYBE, the working people who have been paying into the system will end up getting less of what they have been working for to give to those that haven't done a thing for it.   What about the legal immigrants that get in line and follow the rules like they did 40/50 years ago where you had to actually get a job before you became a citizen.   Friggin hand-out liberals....
 
2013-06-27 09:16:21 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: A Dark Evil Omen: Lt. Cheese Weasel: I like how you think fiscal responsibility is vague nonsense ungrounded in reality.  It's perfect.  It's the straight DNC Kool Aid, without the water.

"Fiscal responsibility"! "Pork"! "Obama poison pills"! Do you have a thought in your head that isn't a far-right bumper sticker?

Yep, I'd rather be a conservative nut job, than a liberal with no nuts and no job. Oh, wait....


I've often noticed that those with a conservative lean tend to wonder a great bit about male genitalia.  Why is that?
 
2013-06-27 09:17:09 PM

Infernalist: Lt. Cheese Weasel: A Dark Evil Omen: Lt. Cheese Weasel: I like how you think fiscal responsibility is vague nonsense ungrounded in reality.  It's perfect.  It's the straight DNC Kool Aid, without the water.

"Fiscal responsibility"! "Pork"! "Obama poison pills"! Do you have a thought in your head that isn't a far-right bumper sticker?

Yep, I'd rather be a conservative nut job, than a liberal with no nuts and no job. Oh, wait....

I've often noticed that those with a conservative lean tend to wonder a great bit about male genitalia.  Why is that?


Also, I'm a liberal with nuts and a job, what does that make me?
 
2013-06-27 09:18:01 PM

biffstallion: FlashHarry: you just know the house republicans will kill it. it's in their nature.

and they'll lose the latino vote for another generation.


MAYBE, just MAYBE, the working people who have been paying into the system will end up getting less of what they have been working for to give to those that haven't done a thing for it.   What about the legal immigrants that get in line and follow the rules like they did 40/50 years ago where you had to actually get a job before you became a citizen.   Friggin hand-out liberals....


As much as you'd like it, the world is not the same as it was 40-50 years ago.  Let it go, live in the present, stop clinging to a fantasy past that never truly existed.

Because if you think illegal immigration is something relatively 'new'...as in, newer than 40-50 years ago...then you're a farking moron.
 
2013-06-27 09:18:36 PM

Close2TheEdge: Here is what John Boehner said back in February.

"The president likes to attack Congress, but if he is serious about
enacting his agenda, I think it must start in the part of this Congress
that his party controls, the United States Senate," Boehner said. "What
can he get passed in the United States Senate?"

Now he says:

"Apparently some haven't gotten the message: The House is not going to
take up and vote on whatever the Senate passes. We're going to do our
own bill -- through regular order -- and move the legislation that
reflects the will of our majority and the will of the American people,"

I challenge any of the conservatrolls on FARK to defend this.


Same thing they did on the budget "OMG!! I can't do this, Obama and the senate has to do the work!!"

Then after they do "OMG! How dare the Senate and Obama do this. Us at the house need to deal with it."

Then when he fails he will find some reason to blame Obama for it.

He is the worst speaker I have ever seen in my life time. He has no ability to get anything passed.
 
2013-06-27 09:20:43 PM

Corvus: Close2TheEdge: Here is what John Boehner said back in February.

"The president likes to attack Congress, but if he is serious about
enacting his agenda, I think it must start in the part of this Congress
that his party controls, the United States Senate," Boehner said. "What
can he get passed in the United States Senate?"

Now he says:

"Apparently some haven't gotten the message: The House is not going to
take up and vote on whatever the Senate passes. We're going to do our
own bill -- through regular order -- and move the legislation that
reflects the will of our majority and the will of the American people,"

I challenge any of the conservatrolls on FARK to defend this.

Same thing they did on the budget "OMG!! I can't do this, Obama and the senate has to do the work!!"

Then after they do "OMG! How dare the Senate and Obama do this. Us at the house need to deal with it."

Then when he fails he will find some reason to blame Obama for it.

He is the worst speaker I have ever seen in my life time. He has no ability to get anything passed.


He's effectively being held hostage by the Tea Derper members of his caucus.  He can't do anything to advance an agenda because 'their' agenda is to do nothing and scream NO at the top of their lungs...because, somehow, they got the idea that government is evil and needs to be killed off.
 
2013-06-27 09:22:18 PM

WTF Indeed: It's a good thing Republicans learned their lesson from 2012 and are growing their base by supporting women's rights, gay rights and Hispanic and black outreach.


Yep, it's unfortunate that compromising principles and buying votes with handouts don't come as naturally to Republicans as they do to Democrats.
 
2013-06-27 09:22:55 PM

tkwasny: Close2TheEdge: tkwasny: Such a deeply partisan democrat site this place is. Filled with hate for anyone that dare oppose their pack. Even though not a single person read the bill, its all good, shut up lock-step-goose step in line everyone. Don't you all realize both parties are 2 sides of the same coin playing you with good cop / bad cop, each with their strawmen? Sheesh.

Get some new material.

Are you 6?


Uh no.  And I manage to post without reusing a half dozen cliches.  Keep working at it and maybe you can too.
 
2013-06-27 09:27:06 PM

Mrtraveler01: Infernalist: Lt. Cheese Weasel: A Dark Evil Omen: Lt. Cheese Weasel: I like how you think fiscal responsibility is vague nonsense ungrounded in reality.  It's perfect.  It's the straight DNC Kool Aid, without the water.

"Fiscal responsibility"! "Pork"! "Obama poison pills"! Do you have a thought in your head that isn't a far-right bumper sticker?

Yep, I'd rather be a conservative nut job, than a liberal with no nuts and no job. Oh, wait....

I've often noticed that those with a conservative lean tend to wonder a great bit about male genitalia.  Why is that?

Also, I'm a liberal with nuts and a job, what does that make me?


I'm gonna guess it makes you gay marriage material.
 
2013-06-27 09:28:43 PM

cchris_39: Close2TheEdge: "Apparently some haven't gotten the message: The House is not going to
take up and vote on whatever the Senate passes. We're going to do our
own bill -- through regular order -- and move the legislation that
reflects the will of our majority and the will of the American people,"

I challenge any of the conservatrolls on FARK to defend this.

Because it's a blatantly partisan issue.  All the Democrats care about is turning illegals into Democrat voters and all the Republicans care about is preventing that.

If the illegal immigrant vote was 50/50 or close to it, the Republicans would be ALL OVER this issue and the Democrats would hate it.  Why, you may ask.  Because an endless supply of cheap labor increases corporate profits and decimates what's left of organized labor.

Both sides are openly opposed to their base, solely because votes are at stake.


You know, I don't deny that there is some political motivation to this.  But it is profoundly cynical to think that the only motivation Democrats have for supporting this legislation is votes.  And it's profoundly cynical to think that all Republicans don't give a rat's ass about the plight of immigrants in this country.
 
2013-06-27 09:29:21 PM
is this the one that nationalizes 401(k)s in the subtext of it?
 
2013-06-27 09:29:23 PM

Infernalist: Corvus: Close2TheEdge: Here is what John Boehner said back in February.

"The president likes to attack Congress, but if he is serious about
enacting his agenda, I think it must start in the part of this Congress
that his party controls, the United States Senate," Boehner said. "What
can he get passed in the United States Senate?"

Now he says:

"Apparently some haven't gotten the message: The House is not going to
take up and vote on whatever the Senate passes. We're going to do our
own bill -- through regular order -- and move the legislation that
reflects the will of our majority and the will of the American people,"

I challenge any of the conservatrolls on FARK to defend this.

Same thing they did on the budget "OMG!! I can't do this, Obama and the senate has to do the work!!"

Then after they do "OMG! How dare the Senate and Obama do this. Us at the house need to deal with it."

Then when he fails he will find some reason to blame Obama for it.

He is the worst speaker I have ever seen in my life time. He has no ability to get anything passed.

He's effectively being held hostage by the Tea Derper members of his caucus.  He can't do anything to advance an agenda because 'their' agenda is to do nothing and scream NO at the top of their lungs...because, somehow, they got the idea that government is evil and needs to be killed off.


He could swing a minority of his party to work with the Democrats to pass a moderate version of most things they want, and then tout to the base that he managed to accomplish x, y and z even when his own party was trying to destroy him...

In stead he's choosing to let the country burn so as to avoid picking the hard fight.

He's a pussy.
 
2013-06-27 09:31:31 PM

BlippityBleep: is this the one that nationalizes 401(k)s in the subtext of it?


I farkin' wish.
 
2013-06-27 09:31:33 PM
Once again the Senate is so serious about an important issue they fill the bill with more pork than Oscar Mayer produces.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/27/Immigration-Bill- Ri ddled-With-Pork
 
2013-06-27 09:38:04 PM

Rhino_man: Infernalist: Corvus: Close2TheEdge: Here is what John Boehner said back in February.

"The president likes to attack Congress, but if he is serious about
enacting his agenda, I think it must start in the part of this Congress
that his party controls, the United States Senate," Boehner said. "What
can he get passed in the United States Senate?"

Now he says:

"Apparently some haven't gotten the message: The House is not going to
take up and vote on whatever the Senate passes. We're going to do our
own bill -- through regular order -- and move the legislation that
reflects the will of our majority and the will of the American people,"

I challenge any of the conservatrolls on FARK to defend this.

Same thing they did on the budget "OMG!! I can't do this, Obama and the senate has to do the work!!"

Then after they do "OMG! How dare the Senate and Obama do this. Us at the house need to deal with it."

Then when he fails he will find some reason to blame Obama for it.

He is the worst speaker I have ever seen in my life time. He has no ability to get anything passed.

He's effectively being held hostage by the Tea Derper members of his caucus.  He can't do anything to advance an agenda because 'their' agenda is to do nothing and scream NO at the top of their lungs...because, somehow, they got the idea that government is evil and needs to be killed off.

He could swing a minority of his party to work with the Democrats to pass a moderate version of most things they want, and then tout to the base that he managed to accomplish x, y and z even when his own party was trying to destroy him...

In stead he's choosing to let the country burn so as to avoid picking the hard fight.

He's a pussy.


They would eat him alive.  They've spent the last 5 years proclaiming him to be the Anti-Christ, a traitor, a foreigner pretending to be President, the empty suit that's single-handedly destroying America and 'now' the base sees him as Satan himself.

And they dare not make a deal with the Devil, not in front of their base.  Those that do that are treated as traitors and apostates and actively worked against and primaried at the first opportunity.

The best part is that Obama himself warned them that this would happen as a result.  He stood in front of the assembled House and told them, on live TV, that they can't vilify him and then expect that their GOP voters will let them work with him to govern the nation.

So..no.  No, he can't work with Obama.  He's effectively painted himself into a political corner.  And if he lets them tear the party apart, he could lose his spot to someone even worse for the party...Like Cantor or Paul.
 
2013-06-27 09:38:14 PM

ferretman: Once again the Senate is so serious about an important issue they fill the bill with more pork than Oscar Mayer produces.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/27/Immigration-Bill- Ri ddled-With-Pork


Yeah... pork like this:
From the USA Today article: One provision tucked into the deal brokered by Republican Sens. Bob Corker of Tennessee and John Hoeven of North Dakota, for instance, would allow Alaska's seafood processors to employ foreign youngsters on a summer-work travel program - overturning a ban the Obama administration put in place last year to protect foreign exchange students from jobs the U.S. government deems dangerous.

Another measure would designate fish processing in the state a "shortage occupation," allowing the industry to quickly hire more overseas seasonal workers under a new "W" guest-worker visa program created by the bill. Alaska Sens. Lisa Murkowski, a Republican, and Mark Begich, a Democrat, successfully pushed for the language.


Wait... this isn't pork... IT'S FISH!
 
2013-06-27 09:38:44 PM
People are replying to this coont:

file.walagata.com
 
2013-06-27 09:40:35 PM

ferretman: Once again the Senate is so serious about an important issue they fill the bill with more pork than Oscar Mayer produces.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/06/27/Immigration-Bill- Ri ddled-With-Pork


psst.  The GOP have released numerous statements saying that they're opposed to Immigration Reform itself.  They've promised to kill the bill simply because they don't want Immigration Reform at all, in any form or fashion.

Also, linking to breitbart is like linking to lemonparty or tubgirl.  No one's going to click it and they're going to instantly revile you for trying to get them to do so.
 
2013-06-27 09:45:38 PM

Corvus: xaldin: Has anyone even looked at what Mexico's, or any central/south america country's policies are? We're a free for all in comparison.

I have lived on the Mexican border all my life. Most of the time I had to walk through a turn style fence (no passport or anything). Last time I crossed I just showed a passport.


On the Mexican side? Are you a born American? Do you own property there if so? Just curious I think its pretty interesting you must save money in property taxes.
 
2013-06-27 09:46:26 PM

kombat_unit: So, businesses that rely on exploiting illegals are going to suddenly only employee legal workers?


As someone that lives in red border state, namely, Arizona, let me offer these suggestions.

I spent several years in the hotel industry. I never saw an application for housekeeping from a white person. The folks that did apply were Hispanic and had  "documentation".  We copied their ID and SS card. It wasn't up to us as employers to decide if documentation was real. That only happened if immigration came by. Then, we were only trouble if it the documentation was fake, and immigration came back and we were still employing them.

These folks claimed so many deductions that only social security and medicare were withheld.

The truth is that most illegals aren't paid cash. The Home Depot parking lot scenario is miniscule and an employer can only claim a certain amount for casual labor.

It makes no sense to think all these people are paid under the table. Wages are deductible as an expense for the employer. A simple way to fix this is that no one can can claim deductions unless they file. You have 5 dependents? Fine. Claim them when you file and prove it. If they don't, the government gets their money.

And, let's not forget these people can open bank accounts and cash their checks. That's not a question of citizenship to open a bank account. Banks have more money to lend overnight.

In the mean time, let's get the people on the actual rolls.
 
2013-06-27 09:47:17 PM

vernonFL: make me some tea: the few reasonable Republicans left:

Yeah, those are mostly the sane moderates.


Also known as "RINOs."  To be a REAL Republican you have to bathe in the blood of brown-skinned lesbians, apparently.
 
2013-06-27 09:51:44 PM

Rhino_man: Infernalist: Corvus: Close2TheEdge: Here is what John Boehner said back in February.

"The president likes to attack Congress, but if he is serious about
enacting his agenda, I think it must start in the part of this Congress
that his party controls, the United States Senate," Boehner said. "What
can he get passed in the United States Senate?"

Now he says:

"Apparently some haven't gotten the message: The House is not going to
take up and vote on whatever the Senate passes. We're going to do our
own bill -- through regular order -- and move the legislation that
reflects the will of our majority and the will of the American people,"

I challenge any of the conservatrolls on FARK to defend this.

Same thing they did on the budget "OMG!! I can't do this, Obama and the senate has to do the work!!"

Then after they do "OMG! How dare the Senate and Obama do this. Us at the house need to deal with it."

Then when he fails he will find some reason to blame Obama for it.

He is the worst speaker I have ever seen in my life time. He has no ability to get anything passed.

He's effectively being held hostage by the Tea Derper members of his caucus.  He can't do anything to advance an agenda because 'their' agenda is to do nothing and scream NO at the top of their lungs...because, somehow, they got the idea that government is evil and needs to be killed off.

He could swing a minority of his party to work with the Democrats to pass a moderate version of most things they want, and then tout to the base that he managed to accomplish x, y and z even when his own party was trying to destroy him...

In stead he's choosing to let the country burn so as to avoid picking the hard fight.

He's a pussy.


Exactly. He could do that.

He could say to the teatards "You guys have two choices get on the bandwagon and vote for moderate Republican bills OR force me to work with Democrats."

But that's called leadership and he doesn't have that.
 
2013-06-27 09:52:48 PM

jaerik: meyerkev: jjorsett: FlashHarry: you just know the house republicans will kill it. it's in their nature.

and they'll lose the latino vote for another generation.


I love how "The" Latinos are supposed to be this monolith that votes en bloc and who have only one issue. Do you assume Jews all vote alike? How about women?

To be totally fair, "the blacks" are incredibly monolithic (93% for Obama, where Latinos were 71%), and they're the only other large minority that hasn't managed to successfully integrate.  And since something like a fifth of the Latinos in the country are illegal and a bunch of the others are family/friends/etc of that fifth, I could see WHY latinos would be assumed to be monolithic on this issue.

/Asians don't count, since they're functionally culturally and economically white with different food at this point.

How can you not successfully integrate and then end up President?


Dunno.   But in my experiences (and these are generalizations.  There were exceptions to every rule), they by and large haven't.

My high school near Detroit:

* Whites and Asians: functionally equal.  Asians did more math/science and less band/English, but were functionally socially and culturally equal to the white kids.  There was actually a bigger split amongst whites where about a half to a third of the whites didn't do honors/AP courses and functionally became a separate caste (which then got codified under "Where did you go to college?").
* Blacks: Totally not integrated (barring the 10% who were insanely integrated).  About 10% of them were the leaders and best (We had 3 black kids in all of band.  1 became a drum major and one was a section leader) and about 80% were utter failures who acted like they were straight out of the ghetto (Of the 4 black kids in my freshman bio class, 3 failed.  1 was a senior on his 4th try).
* Hispanics: What hispanics?  They can't afford to live in Oakland county.

College (CS degree):
* Whites and Asians:  Functionally equal.  About 80/20 white/asian (though the asians provided way more girls, so girls were probably 30/70).
* Blacks and hispanics: What blacks and hispanics?  There weren't very many.  Good news is that once you had made it into the University and onto North Campus, you were functionally implied to be competent as well as fairly non-political (in the "I don't care about your issues.  I have too much work to do." way), and so the few that showed up were integrated.  (We won't talk about the idiots from BAMN who tried to recruit every once in a while.  They were from Central Campus, and weren't engineers.  Central Campus people in general be cray-cray.  So happy we were 20 minutes by bus and an hour by foot away.)

/Hint: If you want diversity in CS, start here.  It's already about 90% male and 95% White/asian.  You can't get blood from a stone.

Silicon Valley:
Whites and Asians: Programmers and CEO's.  Filthy, incredibly stinking rich.  Probably 80/20.
Hispanics: Maids, janitors.  Decent chance they don't speak English.  There are exceptions, but almost never amongst first-gen immigrants.  And by the time they get to be rich and integrated, they're Oscar from The Office.
Blacks: The very few of them largely sit in ghetto poverty in East Palo Alto, and never venture out except for mandated busing to other high schools (Acc. to my roommate, San Carlos schools now suck because of this and everyone who can afford it goes to private high school) or their retail jobs elsewhere in the valley.

/My current company is 10 males, of whom 2 are asian (both business), and 8 are white.
//The company we're renting offices from is about 85% male, and the only black or hispanic people in the building are the janitors who come in about 7:00.
///Don't try to tell me that this is integrated
 
2013-06-27 09:53:01 PM

Bahleted: Corvus: xaldin: Has anyone even looked at what Mexico's, or any central/south america country's policies are? We're a free for all in comparison.

I have lived on the Mexican border all my life. Most of the time I had to walk through a turn style fence (no passport or anything). Last time I crossed I just showed a passport.

On the Mexican side? Are you a born American? Do you own property there if so? Just curious I think its pretty interesting you must save money in property taxes.


No on the US side. I am pointing out that the stupid "It's harder to get in Mexico then the US" meme of the right is total bullshiat.
 
2013-06-27 10:00:17 PM
You know who else was against immigration?
 
2013-06-27 10:03:05 PM

Corvus: Bahleted: Corvus: xaldin: Has anyone even looked at what Mexico's, or any central/south america country's policies are? We're a free for all in comparison.

I have lived on the Mexican border all my life. Most of the time I had to walk through a turn style fence (no passport or anything). Last time I crossed I just showed a passport.

On the Mexican side? Are you a born American? Do you own property there if so? Just curious I think its pretty interesting you must save money in property taxes.

No on the US side. I am pointing out that the stupid "It's harder to get in Mexico then the US" meme of the right is total bullshiat.


I'm pretty sure the point is that Mexico has more restrictions for non Mexican born citizens when it comes to property rights, healthcare, etc. Not that they don't let people in.
 
2013-06-27 10:13:39 PM

Mrtraveler01: Infernalist: Lt. Cheese Weasel: A Dark Evil Omen: Lt. Cheese Weasel: I like how you think fiscal responsibility is vague nonsense ungrounded in reality.  It's perfect.  It's the straight DNC Kool Aid, without the water.

"Fiscal responsibility"! "Pork"! "Obama poison pills"! Do you have a thought in your head that isn't a far-right bumper sticker?

Yep, I'd rather be a conservative nut job, than a liberal with no nuts and no job. Oh, wait....

I've often noticed that those with a conservative lean tend to wonder a great bit about male genitalia.  Why is that?

Also, I'm a liberal with nuts and a job, what does that make me?


Husband material.
 
2013-06-27 10:22:52 PM

Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: Infernalist: Lt. Cheese Weasel: A Dark Evil Omen: Lt. Cheese Weasel: I like how you think fiscal responsibility is vague nonsense ungrounded in reality.  It's perfect.  It's the straight DNC Kool Aid, without the water.

"Fiscal responsibility"! "Pork"! "Obama poison pills"! Do you have a thought in your head that isn't a far-right bumper sticker?

Yep, I'd rather be a conservative nut job, than a liberal with no nuts and no job. Oh, wait....

I've often noticed that those with a conservative lean tend to wonder a great bit about male genitalia.  Why is that?

Also, I'm a liberal with nuts and a job, what does that make me?

Husband material.


But it has to be a gay marriage
 
2013-06-27 10:24:35 PM
why i love fark:

not one of you has read the bill. not one of you really knows what is going on behind closed doors in washington dc. not one of you has any idea of the amount of pork, which means cronyism, money to relatives and donors and lobbyists and corporations and kickbacks to the politician etc etc that accompanies this and all bills.

i mean, you literally know nothing, but the discussion is always so profound, so all knowing, so partisan.
thanks fark, for another night of deep laughter and hilarity.
 
2013-06-27 10:28:16 PM

frymeupasteak: why i love fark:

not one of you has read the bill. not one of you really knows what is going on behind closed doors in washington dc. not one of you has any idea of the amount of pork, which means cronyism, money to relatives and donors and lobbyists and corporations and kickbacks to the politician etc etc that accompanies this and all bills.

i mean, you literally know nothing, but the discussion is always so profound, so all knowing, so partisan.
thanks fark, for another night of deep laughter and hilarity.


So, you didn't read the bill either? And vote Republican?
 
2013-06-27 10:29:42 PM

frymeupasteak: why i love fark:

not one of you has read the bill. not one of you really knows what is going on behind closed doors in washington dc. not one of you has any idea of the amount of pork, which means cronyism, money to relatives and donors and lobbyists and corporations and kickbacks to the politician etc etc that accompanies this and all bills.

i mean, you literally know nothing, but the discussion is always so profound, so all knowing, so partisan.
thanks fark, for another night of deep laughter and hilarity.


But you get to feel superior, so there's that
 
2013-06-27 10:32:55 PM
Has anyone noted the amount of money spent to secure the Canadian border?? I'm waaaay to busy to read about the issues of Southerns afraid to pull a trigger.
 
2013-06-27 10:33:12 PM
meyerkev:

To be totally fair, "the blacks" are incredibly monolithic (93% for Obama, where Latinos were 71%), and they're the only other large minority that hasn't managed to successfully integrate.

Did you just say that black people have not successfully integrated into the mainstream US population. Tell me you did not just say that thing.
 
2013-06-27 10:37:45 PM
Still waiting for a response to my question -

The way I see it we have many problems, in no particular order
1)People brought here as kids
2)People living off the radar
3)Exploitation of workers
4)Poorly metered influx of people who, by their own presence, depress wages.
5)Social support of those people
(Am I missing any issues?)
I don't know the full text of the bill.  How does this bill affect or address these issues?

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Or are we gonna circle jerk with the trolls instead?
 
2013-06-27 10:39:20 PM

frymeupasteak: why i love fark:

not one of you has read the bill. not one of you really knows what is going on behind closed doors in washington dc. not one of you has any idea of the amount of pork, which means cronyism, money to relatives and donors and lobbyists and corporations and kickbacks to the politician etc etc that accompanies this and all bills.

i mean, you literally know nothing, but the discussion is always so profound, so all knowing, so partisan.
thanks fark, for another night of deep laughter and hilarity.


This.
 
2013-06-27 10:41:29 PM

frymeupasteak: not one of you has read the bill. not one of you really knows what is going on behind closed doors in washington dc. not one of you has any idea of the amount of pork, which means cronyism, money to relatives and donors and lobbyists and corporations and kickbacks to the politician etc etc that accompanies this and all bills.


Well you're more than welcome to provide the facts to us to back up these claims if you wish.

Take your time, I'll wait.
 
2013-06-27 10:42:06 PM

gaspode: meyerkev:

To be totally fair, "the blacks" are incredibly monolithic (93% for Obama, where Latinos were 71%), and they're the only other large minority that hasn't managed to successfully integrate.

Did you just say that black people have not successfully integrated into the mainstream US population. Tell me you did not just say that thing.


They're too busy using their Obamaphones and eating watermelon to integrate.

/Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-06-27 10:42:25 PM

gaspode: meyerkev:

To be totally fair, "the blacks" are incredibly monolithic (93% for Obama, where Latinos were 71%), and they're the only other large minority that hasn't managed to successfully integrate.

Did you just say that black people have not successfully integrated into the mainstream US population. Tell me you did not just say that thing.


You're the real racist for noticing his racism.
 
2013-06-27 10:43:33 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: frymeupasteak: why i love fark:

not one of you has read the bill. not one of you really knows what is going on behind closed doors in washington dc. not one of you has any idea of the amount of pork, which means cronyism, money to relatives and donors and lobbyists and corporations and kickbacks to the politician etc etc that accompanies this and all bills.

i mean, you literally know nothing, but the discussion is always so profound, so all knowing, so partisan.
thanks fark, for another night of deep laughter and hilarity.

This.


Gosh, you two are just so hip and edgy.
 
2013-06-27 10:52:06 PM

KeatingFive: Gosh, you two are just so hip and edgy.

I know jack shiat so I'm gonna just make fun of you.


Fixed
 
2013-06-27 10:54:53 PM
The problem Republicans love to ignore:

That they believe that they're being mature and seriously addressing the issue that you need enforcement, and liberals are just naive idiots who think everything can magically get better overnight.

Really, though, just because some are that way, doesn't mean the Republicans aren't just as bad.

You know what we need to realize? That the root of illegal immigration is - surprise - the desire to emigrate. And all the reasons for it. And that in the past, we've shown the best successes when we encourage emigration, going to and becoming American. We've kind of screwed up with that recently (Bilingual schools shouldn't happen - learn English, it's a necessity), but fences aren't the answer either. We're never going to be able to perfectly monitor the border. Too many humans, with their creative problem-solving abilities, are going to want to cross over. Funnel them into WORKING programs that let them come, get them to pay taxes, get them to -become- American, and then...that's it. They're American now. That should be the goal.
 
2013-06-27 11:20:33 PM

make me some tea: Also, may I present the few reasonable Republicans left:

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I am glad that both of my senators voted for this.  Most impressed.
 
2013-06-27 11:26:58 PM
Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: Also, I'm a liberal with nuts and a job, what does that make me?

Husband material.


I see. What about a former Republican who cooks for living, and writes on the side?
 
2013-06-27 11:33:08 PM

hubiestubert: Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: Also, I'm a liberal with nuts and a job, what does that make me?

Husband material.

I see. What about a former Republican who cooks for living, and writes on the side?


Are you looking for a husband?
 
2013-06-27 11:35:03 PM
They want to be Americans fine we move our Amy south. Now we are all Americans go pick my crops
 
2013-06-27 11:37:33 PM

WTF Indeed: It's a good thing Republicans learned their lesson from 2012 and are growing their base by supporting women's rights, gay rights and Hispanic and black outreach.


The lesson was dont work with magic skivies those people are nuts
 
2013-06-27 11:45:55 PM

bwilson27: hubiestubert: Gyrfalcon: Mrtraveler01: Also, I'm a liberal with nuts and a job, what does that make me?

Husband material.

I see. What about a former Republican who cooks for living, and writes on the side?

Are you looking for a husband?


Being in Western Mass, oddly enough, if I was looking, it wouldn't be that hard.
 
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