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(The Big Story)   CIA Director issues memo cracking down on leaks to media. Memo promptly leaked to media   (bigstory.ap.org) divider line 39
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2013-06-27 01:15:53 PM
Outrage about the CIA wanting to keep secrets in 3...2...
 
2013-06-27 01:18:13 PM
Everybody don your tin foil hats protective colander and sieve.
 
2013-06-27 01:19:12 PM
Forgot the pic...
hallazgos.blogia.com
 
2013-06-27 01:20:44 PM
And I'm sure Obama and Kerry will get right on demanding we get to the bottom of who is the traitor that leaked this, right?

Right?
 
2013-06-27 01:21:41 PM
I don't care about their secrets. Let them keep their secrets. So long as they stay the fark out of _my_ secrets.
 
2013-06-27 01:23:05 PM
This town has more leaks than a Carnival cruise ship.
 
2013-06-27 01:24:07 PM
I think we're getting to a sort of tipping point where a good number of people are beginning to see nationalism as a sham.  There is no such thing as a "national secret" for the common good there is only information that you don't want found out because it is incredibly embarrassing and can hurt your position.  We're not talking about designs for a new kind of weapon here, we're talking about the intangible.  An idea, and they're starting to panic because people now have the tools and the gall to call them out on their shiat.

Basically, some people are beginning to realize that what they signed on for.  Isn't what they really signed on for.
 
2013-06-27 01:24:50 PM
i hope he only sent that memo to one person, cuz that would be awesome
 
2013-06-27 01:27:19 PM

ThreeEdgedSword: I think we're getting to a sort of tipping point where a good number of people are beginning to see nationalism as a sham.  There is no such thing as a "national secret" for the common good there is only information that you don't want found out because it is incredibly embarrassing and can hurt your position.  We're not talking about designs for a new kind of weapon here, we're talking about the intangible.  An idea, and they're starting to panic because people now have the tools and the gall to call them out on their shiat.

Basically, some people are beginning to realize that what they signed on for.  Isn't what they really signed on for.


I think people are forgetting that diplomacy and intelligence go hand-in-hand, and that every major intelligence agency in the world actively mines the media for leaked information.
 
2013-06-27 01:28:18 PM

bongmiester: i hope he only sent that memo to one person, cuz that would be awesome


He could have sent different versions to narrow down the department then someone ends up in the park suicided with 6 rounds in the back of their head, penis cut off and shoved down their throat.
 
2013-06-27 01:28:38 PM
This is an easy problem to solve for the CIA.

Send the next memo out with a unique, but small phrase/typo/etc difference. in each copy. Make the phrase/typo/etc. different for each region/floor/whatever, and slowly figure out which area and which person it is coming from.

Even if they are doing something like taking a picture of their monitor with their cell phone, if they check with their coworkers, the message will look the same for their area.
 
2013-06-27 01:28:48 PM
They only care about leaks that make the president look bad. Any president or the organization.

They never give a rats ass about the leaks coming from the white house etc that are designed to make the current admin look great or that provide a story line they approve.

Wake me up when they go after the head of the CIA for leaking TOP Secret intel to hollywood so they could make a propaganda film to help team Obama.
 
2013-06-27 01:29:41 PM

kindms: They only care about leaks that make the president look bad. Any president or the organization.

They never give a rats ass about the leaks coming from the white house etc that are designed to make the current admin look great or that provide a story line they approve.

Wake me up when they go after the head of the CIA for leaking TOP Secret intel to hollywood so they could make a propaganda film to help team Obama.


Are they still leaks when they're from the WH?
 
2013-06-27 01:30:06 PM

FullMetalPanda: bongmiester: i hope he only sent that memo to one person, cuz that would be awesome

He could have sent different versions to narrow down the department then someone ends up in the park suicided with 6 rounds in the back of their head, penis cut off and shoved down their throat.


beat me by 10 seconds... good work.

favorited.
 
2013-06-27 01:31:11 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: ThreeEdgedSword: I think we're getting to a sort of tipping point where a good number of people are beginning to see nationalism as a sham.  There is no such thing as a "national secret" for the common good there is only information that you don't want found out because it is incredibly embarrassing and can hurt your position.  We're not talking about designs for a new kind of weapon here, we're talking about the intangible.  An idea, and they're starting to panic because people now have the tools and the gall to call them out on their shiat.

Basically, some people are beginning to realize that what they signed on for.  Isn't what they really signed on for.

I think people are forgetting that diplomacy and intelligence go hand-in-hand, and that every major intelligence agency in the world actively mines the media for leaked information.


Most people threw that baby out with the bathwater during the W. Bush Era.  HIs Daddy taught him nothing about diplomacy and intelligence.  He was more concerned with the PEWPEWPEW 'MURICA kind of diplomacy and intelligence gathering.
 
2013-06-27 01:33:35 PM
I wish all of our government officials would "honor their oaths."
 
2013-06-27 01:33:38 PM

super_grass: kindms: They only care about leaks that make the president look bad. Any president or the organization.

They never give a rats ass about the leaks coming from the white house etc that are designed to make the current admin look great or that provide a story line they approve.

Wake me up when they go after the head of the CIA for leaking TOP Secret intel to hollywood so they could make a propaganda film to help team Obama.

Are they still leaks when they're from the WH?


when the information is still classified yes.

It is the same thing when Obama goes on Leno and jokes about drones etc. When the program was brought in front of a judge the DOJ said that they couldn't even discuss if the program existed and that is how they have continued to shutdown any legal challenges. So the distinction has very real consequences.
 
2013-06-27 01:36:02 PM
How is Generalissimo Franco doing?
 
2013-06-27 01:47:42 PM

ThreeEdgedSword: Basically, some people are beginning to realize that what they signed on for.  Isn't what they really signed on for.


Kind of like when I signed up to kill terrorists in the 70s, and only because we had a no hostage policy, so all you had to do was go to them and kill them. Then Iran happened and the president became an international pussy. And we had to hold the terrorists hands and sing kumbayah with them.

Now we're buying the taliban tea and cookies.

Enough.
Kill them and sleep at night like a baby.
 
2013-06-27 01:50:07 PM
Maybe they should think about telling less people their secrets....// if they arent watermarking EVERY document sent/opened shame on them.
 
2013-06-27 01:52:32 PM
The sad thing is that so much of this information is classified to keep it out of the hands of the American public, rather than out of the hands of our enemies.  The DOJ is going after Edward Snowden for revealing secrets to enemies, but it wasn't even a secret to our enemies.  Seriously, did any terrorist group or foreign government not think that the NSA was listening to everything?

The secrets that have been leaked lately have been embarrassing things, not things that compromise the security of the United States.  I don't see design specifications for recent nuclear weapons leaked online, nor the names of our double agents in foreign governments.  Those are the things that need to be classified, and clearly that sort of secret is respected by those with clearance, Dick Cheney's office excepted.

Instead of going after whistleblowers, the government should work on not having reasons for people to want to blow the whistle.
 
2013-06-27 02:03:09 PM

ThreeEdgedSword: DeathByGeekSquad: ThreeEdgedSword: I think we're getting to a sort of tipping point where a good number of people are beginning to see nationalism as a sham.  There is no such thing as a "national secret" for the common good there is only information that you don't want found out because it is incredibly embarrassing and can hurt your position.  We're not talking about designs for a new kind of weapon here, we're talking about the intangible.  An idea, and they're starting to panic because people now have the tools and the gall to call them out on their shiat.

Basically, some people are beginning to realize that what they signed on for.  Isn't what they really signed on for.

I think people are forgetting that diplomacy and intelligence go hand-in-hand, and that every major intelligence agency in the world actively mines the media for leaked information.

Most people threw that baby out with the bathwater during the W. Bush Era.  HIs Daddy taught him nothing about diplomacy and intelligence.  He was more concerned with the PEWPEWPEW 'MURICA kind of diplomacy and intelligence gathering.


Go fling feces from your party trench elsewhere.  It's self-serving, and undermines the overall effectiveness of the political process in the US as people trend farther and farther away from the concept of compromise.  When I speak of diplomacy and intelligence, I speak of decades worth of data, not a single presidency.
 
2013-06-27 02:05:10 PM

Myria: The sad thing is that so much of this information is classified to keep it out of the hands of the American public, rather than out of the hands of our enemies.


You're assuming they don't view the American public as their enemy.
 
2013-06-27 02:05:33 PM
Know how I know there are no ETs on Earth? Because the people running the show can't hide knowledge of their last BM.
 
2013-06-27 02:16:28 PM
durbnpoisn.comli.com
 
2013-06-27 02:28:11 PM
See now the media is just rubbing their faces in the fact they can know whatever the CIA knows. That can't turn out good. Entertaining yes, but not good.
 
2013-06-27 02:31:44 PM

MooseUpNorth: I don't care about their secrets. Let them keep their secrets. So long as they stay the fark out of _my_ secrets.


I think this sums it up nicely.

Needs a meme.
 
2013-06-27 02:39:54 PM

Shadowtag: Know how I know there are no ETs on Earth? Because the people running the show can't hide knowledge of their last BM.


Yep, definitely.  People would not be that loyal to the government to keep hiding it.

Why the hell does the government not admit the existence of Area 51?  A simple statement like, "Groom Lake is a top-secret facility used for testing of advanced weapons systems and aircraft" would suffice, jeez.  And again, this is to keep it secret from the American public--every meaningful enemy, especially ones with satellites, knows about the base.
 
2013-06-27 02:43:36 PM

Myria: Shadowtag: Know how I know there are no ETs on Earth? Because the people running the show can't hide knowledge of their last BM.

Yep, definitely.  People would not be that loyal to the government to keep hiding it.

Why the hell does the government not admit the existence of Area 51?  A simple statement like, "Groom Lake is a top-secret facility used for testing of advanced weapons systems and aircraft" would suffice, jeez.  And again, this is to keep it secret from the American public--every meaningful enemy, especially ones with satellites, knows about the base.


More than that, the US has agreements with foreign nations that explicitly *allow* fly over and satellite pics of groom lake.  The actual blanket secrecy wall is for Americans.  Can't have people suing for getting cancer due to open air burning of toxic waste they couldn't truck out.  So the base continues to not-exist well after everyone and their brother knew about it.

/seen it twice.  ran off once.
 
2013-06-27 02:55:59 PM

ThreeEdgedSword: I think we're getting to a sort of tipping point where a good number of people are beginning to see nationalism as a sham.  There is no such thing as a "national secret" for the common good there is only information that you don't want found out because it is incredibly embarrassing and can hurt your position.  We're not talking about designs for a new kind of weapon here, we're talking about the intangible.  An idea, and they're starting to panic because people now have the tools and the gall to call them out on their shiat.

Basically, some people are beginning to realize that what they signed on for.  Isn't what they really signed on for.


Not nationalism, Corporate Nationalism, and the Corporate Nationalists are getting nervous.
 
2013-06-27 03:05:06 PM

Myria: The sad thing is that so much of this information is classified to keep it out of the hands of the American public, rather than out of the hands of our enemies.  The DOJ is going after Edward Snowden for revealing secrets to enemies, but it wasn't even a secret to our enemies.  Seriously, did any terrorist group or foreign government not think that the NSA was listening to everything?

The secrets that have been leaked lately have been embarrassing things, not things that compromise the security of the United States.  I don't see design specifications for recent nuclear weapons leaked online, nor the names of our double agents in foreign governments.  Those are the things that need to be classified, and clearly that sort of secret is respected by those with clearance, Dick Cheney's office excepted.

Instead of going after whistleblowers, the government should work on not having reasons for people to want to blow the whistle.


That would be counterproductive. How can they clamp down on the people of the US , if they had no reason to clamp down on the people of the US?
 
2013-06-27 03:48:52 PM

RedVentrue: ThreeEdgedSword: I think we're getting to a sort of tipping point where a good number of people are beginning to see nationalism as a sham.  There is no such thing as a "national secret" for the common good there is only information that you don't want found out because it is incredibly embarrassing and can hurt your position.  We're not talking about designs for a new kind of weapon here, we're talking about the intangible.  An idea, and they're starting to panic because people now have the tools and the gall to call them out on their shiat.

Basically, some people are beginning to realize that what they signed on for.  Isn't what they really signed on for.

Not nationalism, Corporate Nationalism, and the Corporate Nationalists are getting nervous.


All who believe in controlled societies are getting nervous.

You can't have a controlled society/economy/anything without surveillance.
 
2013-06-27 03:55:52 PM

DeathByGeekSquad: ThreeEdgedSword: I think we're getting to a sort of tipping point where a good number of people are beginning to see nationalism as a sham.  There is no such thing as a "national secret" for the common good there is only information that you don't want found out because it is incredibly embarrassing and can hurt your position.  We're not talking about designs for a new kind of weapon here, we're talking about the intangible.  An idea, and they're starting to panic because people now have the tools and the gall to call them out on their shiat.

Basically, some people are beginning to realize that what they signed on for.  Isn't what they really signed on for.

I think people are forgetting that diplomacy and intelligence go hand-in-hand, and that every major intelligence agency in the world actively mines the media for leaked information.


I bet there was a time when holding our country to a higher standard wasn't grounds for being put on a watch list.

Myria: Shadowtag: Know how I know there are no ETs on Earth? Because the people running the show can't hide knowledge of their last BM.

Yep, definitely.  People would not be that loyal to the government to keep hiding it.

Why the hell does the government not admit the existence of Area 51?  A simple statement like, "Groom Lake is a top-secret facility used for testing of advanced weapons systems and aircraft" would suffice, jeez.  And again, this is to keep it secret from the American public--every meaningful enemy, especially ones with satellites, knows about the base.


It's governmment. If there was a policy or prcoedure that directed that "blue does not exist," there is no shortage of government workers and contractors for whom blue would cease to exist. It is probably technically illegal to acknowledge Area 51 due to some past unacknowledged program that has not yet been declassified.
 
2013-06-27 04:38:00 PM
Honor The Oath. Screw the Constitution.
 
2013-06-27 04:39:34 PM

bongmiester: i hope he only sent that memo to one person, cuz that would be awesome


Tiny details in the words, font, etc to customize the memo for each recipient? Then it's easier to play "Who's the leaker."
 
2013-06-27 04:41:02 PM

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: bongmiester: i hope he only sent that memo to one person, cuz that would be awesome

Tiny details in the words, font, etc to customize the memo for each recipient? Then it's easier to play "Who's the leaker."


I guess I should have read down the thread a little before posting.
 
2013-06-28 01:14:05 AM

uber humper: RedVentrue: ThreeEdgedSword: I think we're getting to a sort of tipping point where a good number of people are beginning to see nationalism as a sham.  There is no such thing as a "national secret" for the common good there is only information that you don't want found out because it is incredibly embarrassing and can hurt your position.  We're not talking about designs for a new kind of weapon here, we're talking about the intangible.  An idea, and they're starting to panic because people now have the tools and the gall to call them out on their shiat.

Basically, some people are beginning to realize that what they signed on for.  Isn't what they really signed on for.

Not nationalism, Corporate Nationalism, and the Corporate Nationalists are getting nervous.

All who believe in controlled societies are getting nervous.

You can't have a controlled society/economy/anything without surveillance.


Yep, and with these guy too much will never be enough.

Power corrupts. No one has EVER had the opportunity to have this much power.

The power mongers in government and finance (there's no difference) must be desperate to maintain and expand control.

"As the Americans learned so painfully in Earth's final century, free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow will soon burst with freedom and vitality, but the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism. Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master."
Commissioner Pravin Lal, "U.N. Declaration of Rights"
 
2013-06-28 03:50:30 AM
Does the memo say anything about sharing your email-account with your mistress? Cause that's like a big no-no.
 
2013-06-28 05:25:33 AM

bongmiester: i hope he only sent that memo to one person, cuz that would be awesome


It would be awesome, because it would invariably not be their fault either.  Now that's awesome.
 
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