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2013-06-27 12:45:29 PM
Damn right subby, we should never spend money to put greater scrutiny on things that look obvious at first glance!  What good has ever come of that?
 
2013-06-27 12:47:32 PM
We already know why the sun rises in the east. It's an effect of our frame of reference, since we are physically on the Earth while it is rotating in a counter clockwise direction (as viewed from the north), it appears as if the sun is rising when the Earth rotates us into the view of the sun. This knowledge, and all the related knowledge built up to that and built off of that, is incredibly important in our everyday lives and vital to things we use everyday.

Similarly it is important to know exactly why fruits and vegetables are good for your health. We know surprisingly little about the exact mechanics of a lot of what we eat.
 
2013-06-27 12:54:27 PM
Next up: Study on why everything I eat turns to shiat.
 
2013-06-27 01:24:42 PM
Supposin', if you will, they find out why fruits and vegetables are healthy and are able to use that to make cheeseburgers just as healthy as a handful of cauliflower?

Would it be a waste then?  I think not!

Study it out...side the box, subby!
 
2013-06-27 01:39:07 PM

TheOmni: Similarly it is important to know exactly why fruits and vegetables are good for your health. We know surprisingly little about the exact mechanics of a lot of what we eat.


Actually it's called evolution. Our bodies have changed over time for these things to be good for health. Not surprisingly, the same things are good for other primates. They probably weren't good for us when we looked like salmon. Same reason green is the least harsh color on the eyes, being surrounded by foliage and whatnot.

/pay me
 
2013-06-27 01:55:01 PM

PreMortem: TheOmni: Similarly it is important to know exactly why fruits and vegetables are good for your health. We know surprisingly little about the exact mechanics of a lot of what we eat.

Actually it's called evolution. Our bodies have changed over time for these things to be good for health. Not surprisingly, the same things are good for other primates. They probably weren't good for us when we looked like salmon. Same reason green is the least harsh color on the eyes, being surrounded by foliage and whatnot.

/pay me


I am grading this answer as incomplete.
 
2013-06-27 02:09:29 PM
LOL SCIENCE BAD AMIRITE
 
2013-06-27 02:31:46 PM
PreMortem:

Actually it's called evolution. Our bodies have changed over time for these things to be good for health. Not surprisingly, the same things are good for other primates. They probably weren't good for us when we looked like salmon. Same reason green is the least harsh color on the eyes, being surrounded by foliage and whatnot.


Using this "reasoning", therefore, since "our bodies have changed over time", at one point in time it was NOT good for our health, given that "our bodies" had to "change over time" for these things to be good for our health. Tell me, how many years have you actually been a working biologist? Or are you yet another wannabe cheerleader with lots of bullshiat and no actual knowledge?
 
2013-06-27 02:37:16 PM
They have electrolites.
 
2013-06-27 02:38:18 PM
As a mutant with the super power of being able to digest lactose, I wholeheartedly approve of this research.
 
2013-06-27 02:38:24 PM
OMG everyone knows stuff falls downwards!!! Why are we wasting money studying this "gravity" shait?! amright?! YOLO
 
2013-06-27 02:45:49 PM
Maybe they can use part of that research money to figure out if cooked food is better for you than raw food?

Please let there be a study. I'm surrounded by raw foodies and hipsters and hardcore vegans here in the beaches of LA and would like to have something I can shove in their faces while they curse at me for eating a hot dog.
 
2013-06-27 02:56:48 PM
magic, obviously, since magic is just science we don't understand yet
 
2013-06-27 02:59:13 PM
Do we actually know that fruits and vegetables ARE good for your health?  They sure as hell don't taste good for your health.
 
2013-06-27 03:04:36 PM
Micro-nutrients.

/or macro-grocery bills
 
2013-06-27 03:05:25 PM

A Leaf in Fall: Do we actually know that fruits and vegetables ARE good for your health?  They sure as hell don't taste good for your health.


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2013-06-27 03:06:48 PM

ng2810: Maybe they can use part of that research money to figure out if cooked food is better for you than raw food?

Please let there be a study. I'm surrounded by raw foodies and hipsters and hardcore vegans here in the beaches of LA and would like to have something I can shove in their faces while they curse at me for eating a hot dog.



Time-Temperature Effects on Salmonellae and Staphylococci in Foods

It turns out that cooking your food kills off all kinds of bad stuff.  Who would have thought that?

/ Side note, eating raw organic produce directly resulted in the death of 53 people in Germany a couple years ago (it turns out that smearing shiat on your food is actually a good way to get e. coli):   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Germany_E._coli_O104:H4_outbreak
 
2013-06-27 03:18:24 PM

ng2810: Maybe they can use part of that research money to figure out if cooked food is better for you than raw food?

Please let there be a study. I'm surrounded by raw foodies and hipsters and hardcore vegans here in the beaches of LA and would like to have something I can shove in their faces while they curse at me for eating a hot dog.


You overestimate the ability for foodies to think rationally. I have never seen so much magic thinking and naturalistic Phallusy sucking then when I talk to anyone about what they eat. GMOs, irradiated food, etc. You name it and produce a study and watch the goalposts slide a few feet. Every. Single. Farking. Time. Produce a study and watch them either 1) Ignore it 2) Treat Rainbow Moonbeam's opinion down at the co-op as equally valid. 3) Call you a shill for Corp'rate 'Murica.
 
2013-06-27 03:19:15 PM

meanmutton: ng2810: Maybe they can use part of that research money to figure out if cooked food is better for you than raw food?

Please let there be a study. I'm surrounded by raw foodies and hipsters and hardcore vegans here in the beaches of LA and would like to have something I can shove in their faces while they curse at me for eating a hot dog.


Time-Temperature Effects on Salmonellae and Staphylococci in Foods

It turns out that cooking your food kills off all kinds of bad stuff.  Who would have thought that?


Everyone knows that. What I'm refering too is the theory that cooking food unlocks nutrients that would otherwise bypass the gut intact and not be absorbed by the body if the same food was eaten raw. 

There have been small experiments that suggest that cooked food IS more nutritious and even contributed to the evolution of man since the primates who were able to use fire to cook were able to absorb more nutrients from said food. This meant that their brains developed faster and they spent less time eating and more time inventing.

Would like to see a study proving that.
 
2013-06-27 03:25:07 PM

meanmutton: ng2810: Maybe they can use part of that research money to figure out if cooked food is better for you than raw food?

Please let there be a study. I'm surrounded by raw foodies and hipsters and hardcore vegans here in the beaches of LA and would like to have something I can shove in their faces while they curse at me for eating a hot dog.


Time-Temperature Effects on Salmonellae and Staphylococci in Foods

It turns out that cooking your food kills off all kinds of bad stuff.  Who would have thought that?

/ Side note, eating raw organic produce directly resulted in the death of 53 people in Germany a couple years ago (it turns out that smearing shiat on your food is actually a good way to get e. coli):   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Germany_E._coli_O104:H4_outbreak


I grow my own sprouts and greens and ferment my own vegetables. And I'm pretty careful about how I do it. And I have a pretty healthy immune system.

Then I go onto YouTube and I end up shaking in the corner. People sprouting sprouts in their sinks (the sink is said to be dirtier than the toilet). People dehydrating raw eggs then vacuum sealing them and storing them at room temperature. On and on. Frightening stuff.

Currently a lot of the preppers on YouTube seem to think dehydrating is the same as canning. Their local hospitals will appreciate the future business.

Another popular thing is dry-canning in an oven. Extremely controversial and probably unsafe. One prepper brags about how good his 10 year old crackers stored in a vacuumed Mason jar taste. These people are going to spend years preparing for an end of the world that will never come then kill themselves eating up their food stores.
 
2013-06-27 03:28:35 PM

Kinek: You overestimate the ability for foodies to think rationally. I have never seen so much magic thinking and naturalistic Phallusy sucking then when I talk to anyone about what they eat. GMOs, irradiated food, etc. You name it and produce a study and watch the goalposts slide a few feet. Every. Single. Farking. Time. Produce a study and watch them either 1) Ignore it 2) Treat Rainbow Moonbeam's opinion down at the co-op as equally valid. 3) Call you a shill for Corp'rate 'Murica.


In other words you're really excited about Twinkies returning to store shelves
 
2013-06-27 03:28:43 PM

Silly_Sot: PreMortem:

Actually it's called evolution. Our bodies have changed over time for these things to be good for health. Not surprisingly, the same things are good for other primates. They probably weren't good for us when we looked like salmon. Same reason green is the least harsh color on the eyes, being surrounded by foliage and whatnot.


Using this "reasoning", therefore, since "our bodies have changed over time", at one point in time it was NOT good for our health, given that "our bodies" had to "change over time" for these things to be good for our health. Tell me, how many years have you actually been a working biologist? Or are you yet another wannabe cheerleader with lots of bullshiat and no actual knowledge?


Nice job proving me wrong, but to answer your question I'll just say more than you can get your head around.
 
2013-06-27 03:29:57 PM

ng2810: meanmutton: ng2810: Maybe they can use part of that research money to figure out if cooked food is better for you than raw food?

Please let there be a study. I'm surrounded by raw foodies and hipsters and hardcore vegans here in the beaches of LA and would like to have something I can shove in their faces while they curse at me for eating a hot dog.


Time-Temperature Effects on Salmonellae and Staphylococci in Foods

It turns out that cooking your food kills off all kinds of bad stuff.  Who would have thought that?

Everyone knows that. What I'm refering too is the theory that cooking food unlocks nutrients that would otherwise bypass the gut intact and not be absorbed by the body if the same food was eaten raw. 

There have been small experiments that suggest that cooked food IS more nutritious and even contributed to the evolution of man since the primates who were able to use fire to cook were able to absorb more nutrients from said food. This meant that their brains developed faster and they spent less time eating and more time inventing.

Would like to see a study proving that.


It is and has been said and proposed by nutritionists. The problem -- and the whole reason the raw food fad came about -- is not necessarily with cooking but with *how* the cooking is done. In the U.S. at least, fried and seared -- high heat cooking -- is very prevalent and *that* does have negative effects. Browning causes all sorts of carcinogens to form and it's really easy to overheat and produce char that's just plain bad for you. Equally, oven roasting can seriously destroy nutrients in many veggies.

That being said, boiling in water breaks down cell walls and absolutely helps in absorption of nutrients without creating any harmful carcinogens.
 
2013-06-27 03:34:02 PM
Kinek:You overestimate the ability for foodies to think rationally. I have never seen so much magic thinking and naturalistic Phallusy sucking then when I talk to anyone about what they eat. GMOs, irradiated food, etc. You name it and produce a study and watch the goalposts slide a few feet. Every. Single. Farking. Time. Produce a study and watch them either 1) Ignore it 2) Treat Rainbow Moonbeam's opinion down at the co-op as equally valid. 3) Call you a shill for Corp'rate 'Murica.

Believe me, I know. You can't escape the idiocy of these people where I live. It's very frustrating trying to have a sane conversation about food production with the population here. My saving grace came in the form of a contemporary agriculture student specializing in genetics in, of all places, a Gaming Convention. We had an excellent chat about modern agriculture and how "The days of just sticking a seed into the ground and hoping it grows are long, long gone."  With billions of people to feed and sustain, going all organic would be disastrous.

Do I think that modern agriculture could be more sustainable and energy efficient? YES. Could we somehow cut down on harmful chemicals and produce healthier food? ABSOLUTELY! But implementing changes to improve food production is very different from denouncing the entire system and moving backwards to techniques that can no longer sustain our current world population.
 
2013-06-27 03:37:20 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: grow my own sprouts and greens and ferment my own vegetables. And I'm pretty careful about how I do it. And I have a pretty healthy immune system.

Then I go onto YouTube and I end up shaking in the corner. People sprouting sprouts in their sinks (the sink is said to be dirtier than the toilet). People dehydrating raw eggs then vacuum sealing them and storing them at room temperature. On and on. Frightening stuff.

Currently a lot of the preppers on YouTube seem to think dehydrating is the same as canning. Their local hospitals will appreciate the future business.

Another popular thing is dry-canning in an oven. Extremely controversial and probably unsafe. One prepper brags about how good his 10 year old crackers stored in a vacuumed Mason jar taste. These people are going to spend years preparing for an end of the world that will never come then kill themselves eating up their food stores.


Please tell me you are kidding.  Proper canning equipment is not that expensive/hard to come by/difficult to use.
 
2013-06-27 03:40:13 PM
Fact:  Fruit and vegetables are good for you
Science:  Why?
(research)
Science:  Fiber, vitamins, minerals
(more research)
Science:  In these quantities and balances
(more research)
Science:  These fruits and vegetables have more of this and that
(more research)
Science:  We recommend you eat this much of this, that much of that to be healthy
(time elapses)
Public:  But why male models?
Science:  Are you kidding?  I just told you that.
 
2013-06-27 03:40:26 PM
perhaps because Nature has been making fruits and vegetables for a few Billion years and humans/animals/bacteria have been eating them for almost that long.

maybe that's it?
 
2013-06-27 03:40:33 PM

jaytkay: Kinek: You overestimate the ability for foodies to think rationally. I have never seen so much magic thinking and naturalistic Phallusy sucking then when I talk to anyone about what they eat. GMOs, irradiated food, etc. You name it and produce a study and watch the goalposts slide a few feet. Every. Single. Farking. Time. Produce a study and watch them either 1) Ignore it 2) Treat Rainbow Moonbeam's opinion down at the co-op as equally valid. 3) Call you a shill for Corp'rate 'Murica.

In other words you're really excited about Twinkies returning to store shelves


I haven't had a twinkie in a few years. But there's a difference between Processed Food, and Smart Agriculture. One of these involves binging on high sugar, low vitamin snacks, and the other involves practicing rational, evidence based techniques.
 
2013-06-27 03:41:36 PM

A Leaf in Fall: Do we actually know that fruits and vegetables ARE good for your health?  They sure as hell don't taste good for your health.



because you didn't grow up eating them.  you grew up eating what the TV told you to eat so you've been conditioned.
 
2013-06-27 03:44:55 PM
The sun always rises from the East? Because that is the way Ra pulls it on his chariot of course.
 
2013-06-27 03:45:16 PM

Saiga410: TheShavingofOccam123: grow my own sprouts and greens and ferment my own vegetables. And I'm pretty careful about how I do it. And I have a pretty healthy immune system.

Then I go onto YouTube and I end up shaking in the corner. People sprouting sprouts in their sinks (the sink is said to be dirtier than the toilet). People dehydrating raw eggs then vacuum sealing them and storing them at room temperature. On and on. Frightening stuff.

Currently a lot of the preppers on YouTube seem to think dehydrating is the same as canning. Their local hospitals will appreciate the future business.

Another popular thing is dry-canning in an oven. Extremely controversial and probably unsafe. One prepper brags about how good his 10 year old crackers stored in a vacuumed Mason jar taste. These people are going to spend years preparing for an end of the world that will never come then kill themselves eating up their food stores.

Please tell me you are kidding.  Proper canning equipment is not that expensive/hard to come by/difficult to use.


I wish I were kidding. Dehydrating raw eggs and storing them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMwrc1nlSCA

/now, I could see POSSIBLY using a water-bath oven canning at 250 F for 2 hours but there's no way I'll dry oven can anything.
/if you like homemade yogurt here's a link to viili--room temperature yogurt. No heating, no electricity. Done in 24 hours...http://www.culturesforhealth.com/viili-yogurt-starter.html ...not pimping just like to tell about it
 
2013-06-27 03:46:03 PM

Linux_Yes: perhaps because Nature has been making fruits and vegetables for a few Billion years and humans/animals/bacteria have been eating them for almost that long.

maybe that's it?


This anthropomorphic "Nature" being you're talking about isn't "making fruits and vegetables" to feed us.
 
2013-06-27 03:48:33 PM

Linux_Yes: A Leaf in Fall: Do we actually know that fruits and vegetables ARE good for your health?  They sure as hell don't taste good for your health.

because you didn't grow up eating them.  you grew up eating what the TV told you to eat so you've been conditioned.


[citation needed]
 
2013-06-27 03:51:01 PM

Kinek: I haven't had a twinkie in a few years. But there's a difference between Processed Food, and Smart Agriculture. One of these involves binging on high sugar, low vitamin snacks, and the other involves practicing rational, evidence based techniques.


OK, sorry for the snark. I run into people who proudly will not eat vegetables more than I run into people who rail against GMOs.
 
2013-06-27 03:52:42 PM

ng2810: What I'm refering too is the theory that cooking food unlocks nutrients that would otherwise bypass the gut intact and not be absorbed by the body if the same food was eaten raw.


Everyone knows that too. It's basic chemistry. Cooking produces chemical changes in foods. Sometimes those chemical changes are beneficial to human digestion. You can argue about whether a specific form of cooking for a specific food is a net positive change, but the concept that cooking sometimes makes food more digestible is not controversial.

Corn is an easy example. Corn has been a staple food in North America for centuries, but without chemical preparation it's not well suited for that purpose -- it contains lots of accessible starch, but without proper preparation not much else. Early European adopters of corn grew the plant because it was agriculturally efficient, but they didn't copy the cooking methods and had a bad time:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixtamalization#Europe.2C_Africa.2C_and _ India

Another important fact is that cooking makes food physically easier to chew and break down. This allows more efficient digestion, less wear on your teeth, etc. Those aren't hugely important things in modern life, but most people would consider them benefits nonetheless.
 
2013-06-27 03:56:18 PM

ng2810: Maybe they can use part of that research money to figure out if cooked food is better for you than raw food?

Please let there be a study. I'm surrounded by raw foodies and hipsters and hardcore vegans here in the beaches of LA and would like to have something I can shove in their faces while they curse at me for eating a hot dog.


Buy a second hot dog.

Use that.
 
2013-06-27 03:57:06 PM

jaytkay: Kinek: I haven't had a twinkie in a few years. But there's a difference between Processed Food, and Smart Agriculture. One of these involves binging on high sugar, low vitamin snacks, and the other involves practicing rational, evidence based techniques.

OK, sorry for the snark. I run into people who proudly will not eat vegetables more than I run into people who rail against GMOs.


I do enjoy a little butter on my brussel sprouts. But that's about it.
 
2013-06-27 04:02:17 PM

Saiga410: TheShavingofOccam123: grow my own sprouts and greens and ferment my own vegetables. And I'm pretty careful about how I do it. And I have a pretty healthy immune system.

Then I go onto YouTube and I end up shaking in the corner. People sprouting sprouts in their sinks (the sink is said to be dirtier than the toilet). People dehydrating raw eggs then vacuum sealing them and storing them at room temperature. On and on. Frightening stuff.

Currently a lot of the preppers on YouTube seem to think dehydrating is the same as canning. Their local hospitals will appreciate the future business.

Another popular thing is dry-canning in an oven. Extremely controversial and probably unsafe. One prepper brags about how good his 10 year old crackers stored in a vacuumed Mason jar taste. These people are going to spend years preparing for an end of the world that will never come then kill themselves eating up their food stores.

Please tell me you are kidding.  Proper canning equipment is not that expensive/hard to come by/difficult to use.


I still won't can low acid foods like veggies, and I'm a stickler for proper sanitizing techniques, cook times,  etc.  Freezing is fine for the veggies, the world isn't going to end anytime soon.
 
2013-06-27 04:05:01 PM

imgod2u: ng2810: There have been small experiments that suggest that cooked food IS more nutritious and even contributed to the evolution of man since the primates who were able to use fire to cook were able to absorb more nutrients from said food. This meant that their brains developed faster and they spent less time eating and more time inventing.

Would like to see a study proving that.

It is and has been said and proposed by nutritionists. The problem -- and the whole reason the raw food fad came about -- is not necessarily with cooking but with *how* the cooking is done. In the U.S. at least, fried and seared -- high heat cooking -- is very prevalent and *that* does have negative effects. Browning causes all sorts of carcinogens to form and it's really easy to overheat and produce char that's just plain bad for you. Equally, oven roasting can seriously destroy nutrients in many veggies.

That being said, boiling in water breaks down cell walls and absolutely helps in absorption of nutrients without creating any harmful carcinogens.


I was just reading up on that a couple of days ago (because I'm trying to get 35 lbs. of blubber to disembark). Most of the stuff I read said that some vitamins are diminished by cooking while others become more digestible. The consensus was that you should eat a wide variety of stuff, both cooked (preferably steamed) and raw.

/Now if you want to talk about fat soluble vitamins, well then we're going to need some more fat...
 
2013-06-27 04:11:31 PM

ng2810: A Leaf in Fall: Do we actually know that fruits and vegetables ARE good for your health?  They sure as hell don't taste good for your health.

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2013-06-27 04:17:22 PM
With our economy in the toilet, heaven forbid we cut some pork, grants, subsidies, waste, fraud, abuse.
 
2013-06-27 04:29:31 PM

SewerSquirrels: I was just reading up on that a couple of days ago (because I'm trying to get 35 lbs. of blubber to disembark). Most of the stuff I read said that some vitamins are diminished by cooking while others become more digestible. The consensus was that you should eat a wide variety of stuff, both cooked (preferably steamed) and raw.


There doesn't seem to be a clear consensus on this. While raw vegetables have a greater nutritional value than cooked, some studies have shown that when vegetables are lightly cooked our bodies have an easer time digesting them and absorbing the nutrients.  (I'm sure, though, that this depends on cooking for just the right amount of time).
 
2013-06-27 04:30:59 PM
If you think vegetables don't taste good you're probably cooking them wrong
 
2013-06-27 04:34:52 PM

BigJake: If you think vegetables don't taste good you're probably cooking them wrong


And not covering them in bacon fat.
 
2013-06-27 04:52:16 PM

Saiga410: BigJake: If you think vegetables don't taste good you're probably cooking them wrong

And not covering them in bacon fat.


I kid you not, if you mix some low sodium soy sauce and a quarter stick of real butter together and add to steamed broccoli, kids will eat it. It's good.
 
2013-06-27 04:55:34 PM

BigJake: If you think vegetables don't taste good you're probably cooking them wrong


I think they either don't taste good, take too much work, or cost too much. Personally, I don't like cooking. I much prefer to be able to microwave something or even just eat it straight out of a container. This leads to pretty unhealthy eating. Fresh fruits and vegetables properly prepared can be very good and tasty. I just don't feel it is worth the effort to me to prepare them properly or visit the store every few days to get fresh perishables.
 
2013-06-27 05:04:15 PM

TheOmni: BigJake: If you think vegetables don't taste good you're probably cooking them wrong

I think they either don't taste good, take too much work, or cost too much. Personally, I don't like cooking. I much prefer to be able to microwave something or even just eat it straight out of a container. This leads to pretty unhealthy eating. Fresh fruits and vegetables properly prepared can be very good and tasty. I just don't feel it is worth the effort to me to prepare them properly or visit the store every few days to get fresh perishables.


To much work?  Do you know that you work extra hours at work which enables you to afford to buy food that is more expensive because most of the work preparing it has been done by someone else?

Nothing is free.
 
2013-06-27 05:07:09 PM

mrlewish: TheOmni: BigJake: If you think vegetables don't taste good you're probably cooking them wrong

I think they either don't taste good, take too much work, or cost too much. Personally, I don't like cooking. I much prefer to be able to microwave something or even just eat it straight out of a container. This leads to pretty unhealthy eating. Fresh fruits and vegetables properly prepared can be very good and tasty. I just don't feel it is worth the effort to me to prepare them properly or visit the store every few days to get fresh perishables.

To much work?  Do you know that you work extra hours at work which enables you to afford to buy food that is more expensive because most of the work preparing it has been done by someone else?

Nothing is free.


Yes. And I'd prefer to do that work over the cooking related work. I'm not sure I understand your point?
 
2013-06-27 05:23:13 PM
Kangaroo_Ralph:

With our economy in the toilet, heaven forbid we cut some pork, grants, subsidies, waste, fraud, abuse.

I know... Right? In a society where billions are spent on sports stadiums, tanks no one wants or needs, redundant jet fighter engine programs that cost more than entire regions of states worth of educational districts, Planned Parenthood funding that actually serves the public and such.

Well, of course science is the thing you should be laser-like focused upon!

I dunno if it's just me, but I suspect many other people are starting to figure out how the "good money spent" vs . "BAD money spent" thing is going.
 
2013-06-27 05:27:49 PM

TheOmni: Personally, I don't like cooking.


Everyone has their hates. I love to cook but hate doing dishes more than anything in the world

A lot of veggies aren't that expensive though. You don't have to buy organic imported stuff from Whole Paycheck to make something decently tasty with veggies.

And for the record, I'm not a vegetarian by any means
 
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