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(Talking Points Memo)   Chris Christie hates giving minorities rights just as much as the next Republican   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 215
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2013-06-27 09:37:13 AM
He's a bigot because he feels that a country wide decision should be left up to the people to decide and not 5 SC judges? Christie knows that any referendum on gay marriage would pass in large numbers but wants 'the people' to make that decision.

/more power to them, gays getting married, it's about time.
//not gay.
 
2013-06-27 09:41:22 AM
"I thought that Justice (Anthony) Kennedy's opinion in many respects was incredibly insulting to those people, 340-some members of Congress who voted for the Defense of Marriage Act, and Bill Clinton," Christie said. "They basically said the only reason to pass that bill was to demean people."

Christie's right, that analysis is lacking. It clearly wasn't just to demean people. It was to demean, marginalize, oppress, repress, humiliate, punish, dehumanize, shun and ostracize people.
 
2013-06-27 09:41:58 AM

ferretman: He's a bigot because he feels that a country wide decision should be left up to the people to decide and not 5 SC judges?


There are a litany of reasons why Chris Christie might be a bigot, but this isn't one of them. If this is his opinion, then he's just an idiot instead of a bigot.
 
2013-06-27 09:53:40 AM
A man who could play murder victim No 1 in the movie Seven and had his stomach stapled because he couldn't stop shoving food down his mouth is lecturing others on morality. Please, tell us more about why gay marriage is goes against 2,000 years traditions while you continue to gloss over your own religion's condemnation of your sinful fat ass, oh wise one.
 
2013-06-27 09:57:59 AM

exick: ferretman: He's a bigot because he feels that a country wide decision should be left up to the people to decide and not 5 SC judges?

There are a litany of reasons why Chris Christie might be a bigot, but this isn't one of them. If this is his opinion, then he's just an idiot instead of a bigot.


And as support, he cites "340-some" members of Congress (how many of whom are dead? How many of them are still serving?). Just for a sense of scale, about 130 million people voted in the 2012 election.

// 340 in Congress = roughly 1/1,000,000th of the country = roughly .000262% of eligible voters
// for contrast, 30% of Americans live in states with marriage equality (or roughly 96 million people)
 
2013-06-27 10:24:01 AM
I'd guess he doesn't actually have a problem with gay marriage, but knows coming out and supporting it would kill his presidential ambitions.
 
2013-06-27 10:39:39 AM

Aarontology: I'd guess he doesn't actually have a problem with gay marriage, but knows coming out and supporting it would kill his presidential ambitions.


He's been actively blocking gay marriage in New Jersey since he was elected.  Last February he vetoed a bill that was passed by the NJ Legislature.   You know the body that his citizens actually voted for.
 
2013-06-27 11:02:36 AM
Doesn't surprise me, given that he unilaterally denied gay people marriage equality in his wonderful state. He's done a good job of painting himself as a moderate over the years for his future presidential bid, but deep inside, he's no different from any other bigoted piece of shiat republican.
 
2013-06-27 11:08:25 AM
But last week he was a liberal democrat with an unfortunate R beside his name.
 
2013-06-27 11:08:38 AM

James!: Aarontology: I'd guess he doesn't actually have a problem with gay marriage, but knows coming out and supporting it would kill his presidential ambitions.

He's been actively blocking gay marriage in New Jersey since he was elected.  Last February he vetoed a bill that was passed by the NJ Legislature.   You know the body that his citizens actually voted for.


Christie wants it put on a ballot....have everyone in the State have their say not an elected official who votes depending upon what group is lining their pockets at the time.

This should either be a Referendum on every State ballot next election or put it on the next National election.
 
2013-06-27 11:12:22 AM

ferretman: James!: Aarontology: I'd guess he doesn't actually have a problem with gay marriage, but knows coming out and supporting it would kill his presidential ambitions.

He's been actively blocking gay marriage in New Jersey since he was elected.  Last February he vetoed a bill that was passed by the NJ Legislature.   You know the body that his citizens actually voted for.

Christie wants it put on a ballot....have everyone in the State have their say not an elected official who votes depending upon what group is lining their pockets at the time.

This should either be a Referendum on every State ballot next election or put it on the next National election.


Do you know how a Democratic Republic works?
 
2013-06-27 11:14:57 AM

ferretman: James!: Aarontology: I'd guess he doesn't actually have a problem with gay marriage, but knows coming out and supporting it would kill his presidential ambitions.

He's been actively blocking gay marriage in New Jersey since he was elected.  Last February he vetoed a bill that was passed by the NJ Legislature.   You know the body that his citizens actually voted for.

Christie wants it put on a ballot....have everyone in the State have their say not an elected official who votes depending upon what group is lining their pockets at the time.

This should either be a Referendum on every State ballot next election or put it on the next National election.


"You can't do it though the courts, it should be through the legislature!"
"Fine, here's a bill from the legislature."
"You can't do it thought the legislature, it must be done by direct vote!"
"Eat a bag of dicks."

You don't get to keep changing the requirements.
 
2013-06-27 11:19:36 AM

Cythraul: ferretman: James!: Aarontology: I'd guess he doesn't actually have a problem with gay marriage, but knows coming out and supporting it would kill his presidential ambitions.

He's been actively blocking gay marriage in New Jersey since he was elected.  Last February he vetoed a bill that was passed by the NJ Legislature.   You know the body that his citizens actually voted for.

Christie wants it put on a ballot....have everyone in the State have their say not an elected official who votes depending upon what group is lining their pockets at the time.

This should either be a Referendum on every State ballot next election or put it on the next National election.


Do you know how a Democratic Republic works?


If we are going to put civil rights laws to public referendums because of evil people lining the pockets of politicians... then maybe we should put all tax laws or tax breaks for any corporation or business on a referendum ballot for the same reason. And why stop there... lets just put every single law on a ballot from now on.
 
2013-06-27 11:20:03 AM

James!: ferretman: James!: Aarontology: I'd guess he doesn't actually have a problem with gay marriage, but knows coming out and supporting it would kill his presidential ambitions.

He's been actively blocking gay marriage in New Jersey since he was elected.  Last February he vetoed a bill that was passed by the NJ Legislature.   You know the body that his citizens actually voted for.

Christie wants it put on a ballot....have everyone in the State have their say not an elected official who votes depending upon what group is lining their pockets at the time.

This should either be a Referendum on every State ballot next election or put it on the next National election.

"You can't do it though the courts, it should be through the legislature!"
"Fine, here's a bill from the legislature."
"You can't do it thought the legislature, it must be done by direct vote!"
"Eat a bag of dicks."

You don't get to keep changing the requirements.


To be fair, since the weight-loss surgery, he can only eat a half-bag of dicks
 
2013-06-27 11:25:50 AM
History is not going to look kindly on people playing calvinball with people's rights.
 
2013-06-27 11:33:57 AM

kbronsito: If we are going to put civil rights laws to public referendums because of evil people lining the pockets of politicians... then maybe we should put all tax laws or tax breaks for any corporation or business on a referendum ballot for the same reason. And why stop there... lets just put every single law on a ballot from now on.


Yup - fair's fair.

If we have to vote on gay marriage, we get a vote on straight marriage too. I'm tired of those sinful monogamists shoving their unnatural views down my throat!
 
2013-06-27 11:33:59 AM

kbronsito: Christie wants it put on a ballot....have everyone in the State have their say not an elected official who votes depending upon what group is lining their pockets at the time.


he'll never be president with that attitude.  let the people have a choice in what affects them?  fark that.
 
2013-06-27 11:36:49 AM

ManateeGag: kbronsito: Christie wants it put on a ballot....have everyone in the State have their say not an elected official who votes depending upon what group is lining their pockets at the time.

he'll never be president with that attitude.  let the people have a choice in what affects them?  fark that.


Make sure and come back in a few years and tell us just how much gay marriage has affected you.
 
2013-06-27 11:37:43 AM

Cythraul: Doesn't surprise me, given that he unilaterally denied gay people marriage equality in his wonderful state. He's done a good job of painting himself as a moderate over the years for his future presidential bid, but deep inside, he's no different from any other bigoted piece of shiat republican.


And with his standing on this, he's effectively ruled out any chance of running as an independent.  Maybe he's hoping to get back in the good graces of the GOP, but I with his previous cooperation with Obama he may still be poison to the hard liners.

I believe there's a real opportunity for a limited government, fiscal responsibility based conservative in the next election, but that candidate can't embrace the backwards social policies of the GOP nor the 'screw the poor, fellate the rich' mindset.

Support equal rights for all regardless of race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation.  Support privacy rights and put some teeth back in the 4th amendment - end the warrant-less wiretapping and constant surveillance of our own citizens.  Reform drug laws to decriminalize or legalize soft drugs used in the privacy of one's home, plus focus on rehabilitation instead of incarceration for hard drug abusers - it will save money and lives.  Make sane cuts to the budget - cut pork projects, if the Army says it doesn't want more tanks STOP BUILDING MORE TANKS, stop funneling billions of dollars directly into the hands of defense contractors, make them compete aggressively with each other with bids - make the free market work to save us money.  Make Medicare much more efficient by making it a national single payer system and implement price controls - affordable healthcare for all is easily achievable that way.   Put an end to congressmen walking right out of the office and into multimillion dollar jobs with private corporations who they did favors for - ban the lobbyists, band corporate personhood, put strict limits on campaign spending, get rid of super PACs, and put the elections back in the hands of the people again.  That'd be a start anyway...
 
2013-06-27 11:40:32 AM
Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito Suddenly Realize They Will Be Villains In Oscar-Winning Movie One Day

http://www.theonion.com/articles/scalia-thomas-roberts-alito-suddenl y- realize-they,32972/
 
2013-06-27 11:40:37 AM
 It was a bad decision.

3.bp.blogspot.com

"They basically said the only reason to pass segregation laws was to demean people."
 
2013-06-27 11:43:38 AM

what_now: Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito Suddenly Realize They Will Be Villains In Oscar-Winning Movie One Day

http://www.theonion.com/articles/scalia-thomas-roberts-alito-suddenl y- realize-they,32972/


That's hilarious.
 
2013-06-27 12:29:37 PM
One of the amusing things about all of this noise about how the courts are going against the will of the legislature and the American people is how I don't hear conservatives making the same comments about overturning the VRA. Funny, that.
 
2013-06-27 12:50:06 PM

I'm an Egyptian!: One of the amusing things about all of this noise about how the courts are going against the will of the legislature and the American people is how I don't hear conservatives making the same comments about overturning the VRA. Funny, that.


Its ok to oppress minorities. Jesus said so.
 
2013-06-27 01:04:48 PM

ferretman: //not gay.


No one asked.
 
2013-06-27 01:07:30 PM
Dammit, Christie, and here I almost thought you were kinda cool, maybe.
 
2013-06-27 01:08:46 PM
Every so often Christie slips and shows his Just Another Republican face amid all the I'm the Reasonable One bullshiat he works so hard to cultivate for a presidential run.
 
2013-06-27 01:09:23 PM

xanadian: Dammit, Christie, and here I almost thought you were kinda cool, maybe.


If he didn't say he hates gays the tea baggers would murder him in his sleep.
 
2013-06-27 01:20:52 PM

jehovahs witness protection: But last week he was a liberal democrat with an unfortunate R beside his name.


And all it takes is an expression of intolerance to get back in your good graces.  Heartwarming story of redemption, that one.
 
2013-06-27 01:22:49 PM

ferretman: He's a bigot because he feels that a country wide decision should be left up to the people to decide and not 5 SC judges? Christie knows that any referendum on gay marriage would pass in large numbers but wants 'the people' to make that decision.


He's commenting on the repeal of DOMA, which denied federal benefits to same-sex couples (which opposite-sex couples receive)... not on the recognition of gay marriage.

Should we give equal protection to a minority group? Let's put it to a vote! Brilliant!
 
2013-06-27 01:25:18 PM

Weaver95: I'm an Egyptian!: One of the amusing things about all of this noise about how the courts are going against the will of the legislature and the American people is how I don't hear conservatives making the same comments about overturning the VRA. Funny, that.

Its ok to oppress minorities. Jesus said so.


Ironically enough, god says to not oppress minorities (or the poor, widows or orphans, but that's a separate discussion) no less than 5 times.

// but maybe that's only a v1 thing
// is the beta release not backwards-compatible?
 
2013-06-27 01:28:05 PM
"It's just another example of judicial supremacy rather than having the government run by the people we actually vote for,"

So, 5 SC judges overturning a bad law is "judicial supremacy", but one guy vetoing a bill passed by the majority of his elected state legislators is "the will of the people"?  STFU you hypocritical farktard.
 
2013-06-27 01:28:30 PM
I think they accidentally fastened his lap band to his brain.
 
2013-06-27 01:28:39 PM

jehovahs witness protection: But last week he was a liberal democrat with an unfortunate R beside his name.


Yeah that's what you guys kept saying.
 
2013-06-27 01:30:23 PM

James!: History is not going to look kindly on people playing calvinball with people's rights.


Meh who cares about history. Christie is probing the waters of 2016 and doesn't want to sour things with the fundies in the Primary.
 
2013-06-27 01:30:33 PM
"They basically said the only reason to pass that bill was to demean people."

Well, if there is some kind of non insulting, demeaning interpretation of the purpose of that stupid shiat, please inform us, you fat disingenuous fark.

Oh right, there isn't. It's inherently designed to be discriminatory because reasons. Stupid republican reasons that are meaningless and stupid, like Jesus.
 
2013-06-27 01:30:40 PM

xanadian: Dammit, Christie, and here I almost thought you were kinda cool, maybe.


Um, MAXIMUM HYPOCRISY.

Feb 2012, when he vetoed the bill in NJ:  Your legislation isn't cool, let the people decide with a referendum.

June 2013:  Your SCOTUS decision isn't cool, it overturns the legislation that 340 voted for.

Again, point it out, MAXIMUM MAXIMUM MAXIMUM HYPOCRISY.
 
2013-06-27 01:30:46 PM

jehovahs witness protection: But last week he was a liberal democrat with an unfortunate R beside his name.


No, last week he was a Republican who actually was capable of acknowledging that Obama did something positive, as opposed to hating everything Obama does purely because Obama did it.
 
2013-06-27 01:30:49 PM
It sucks to have to pander to a bunch of bigoted pricks that make up your base.
 
2013-06-27 01:31:16 PM

jehovahs witness protection: But last week he was a liberal democrat with an unfortunate R beside his name.


If someone called him that, blame conservatives. I don't know many liberals who would agree with that.

Unless liberals saying he's not quite as crazy as the rest of you morons counts.
 
2013-06-27 01:32:20 PM
Minorities?   Anyway, he was probably just hungry.
 
2013-06-27 01:32:31 PM

lockers: It sucks to have to pander to a bunch of bigoted pricks that make up your base.


Condemn the fundies, switch parties or remain a coward.

In Farkland, it's always C).
 
2013-06-27 01:34:02 PM

thurstonxhowell: jehovahs witness protection: But last week he was a liberal democrat with an unfortunate R beside his name.

If someone called him that, blame conservatives. I don't know many liberals who would agree with that.

Unless liberals saying he's not quite as crazy as the rest of you morons counts.


You have to understand, most Republicans (and shiat-and-quit pageclick-enhancing trolls pretending to be Republicans) see the world only in binary. If you say something that goes against the extreme right-wing talking points (Like acknowledging that the Obama administration did a pretty decent job handling Sandy, all things considered), you're OBVIOUSLY the most liberal libtard EVER, no matter what your other policies are.
 
2013-06-27 01:34:04 PM

LordJiro: jehovahs witness protection: But last week he was a liberal democrat with an unfortunate R beside his name.

No, last week he was a Republican who actually was capable of acknowledging that Obama did something positive, as opposed to hating everything Obama does purely because Obama did it.


That was a few weeks ago.
 
2013-06-27 01:34:04 PM

kronicfeld: Christie's right, that analysis is lacking. It clearly wasn't just to demean people. It was to demean, marginalize, oppress, repress, humiliate, punish, dehumanize, shun and ostracize people


None of which Christie can fathom doing without being absolutely certain that somebody will put it up on YouTube an hour after you do it.
 
2013-06-27 01:36:11 PM

ferretman: James!: Aarontology: I'd guess he doesn't actually have a problem with gay marriage, but knows coming out and supporting it would kill his presidential ambitions.

He's been actively blocking gay marriage in New Jersey since he was elected.  Last February he vetoed a bill that was passed by the NJ Legislature.   You know the body that his citizens actually voted for.

Christie wants it put on a ballot....have everyone in the State have their say not an elected official who votes depending upon what group is lining their pockets at the time.


..;and then New Jersey can have the joys of what California just went through on Prop 8.
 
2013-06-27 01:36:20 PM
I see this as more of a "play to his base" than his actual opinion. Though by base, I mean Republicans in New Jersey. He doesn't have as solid a hold on the majority as some like to think, mainly because Democrats feelings towards him tend to be YAY! the one minute, followed by BOO! the next. I really don't think he's interested in running for President any time soon. Maybe in 2020, if he makes it that far, but I doubt 2016. As he's said several times, he has a job to do, and we're "stuck with him til he's finished"(his words).

When he says "We should put it on a ballot," he says that knowing it'll pass easily. Which, granted, does make veto'ing it seem kind of stupid. But the bright side is the state legislature is working on over-riding that veto.

/NJ Democrat
//Mixed feelings on Christie
 
2013-06-27 01:37:34 PM

LordJiro: thurstonxhowell: jehovahs witness protection: But last week he was a liberal democrat with an unfortunate R beside his name.

If someone called him that, blame conservatives. I don't know many liberals who would agree with that.

Unless liberals saying he's not quite as crazy as the rest of you morons counts.

You have to understand, most Republicans (and shiat-and-quit pageclick-enhancing trolls pretending to be Republicans) see the world only in binary. If you say something that goes against the extreme right-wing talking points (Like acknowledging that the Obama administration did a pretty decent job handling Sandy, all things considered), you're OBVIOUSLY the most liberal libtard EVER, no matter what your other policies are.


It's why everyone is now - according to them - a Lib or RINO, and the actual Republican sh*tkicker is an endangered species.

//except, as far as educational standards go, retards in the USofA are far from being endangered.
 
2013-06-27 01:37:41 PM

James!: "You can't do it though the courts, it should be through the legislature!"
"Fine, here's a bill from the legislature."
"You can't do it thought the legislature, it must be done by direct vote!"

"Fine, the citizens voted on it."
"You can't let the unwashed masses vote on it, it has to go through the courts!"
"Eat a bag of dicks."

Fixed for a proper cycle.
 
2013-06-27 01:38:03 PM
Fat boy will be our next president. Get ready.
 
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