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2013-06-27 09:59:32 AM  
3 votes:
According to BBC:
He moved the factory from US to China because of lower wages there.
He was going to move it from China to India because of lower wages there.
He hadn't paid his workers in two months.

fark that guy.
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-27 09:50:29 AM  
3 votes:
it sounds like the workers were right in the first place.  I'll bet they would have never seen their back pay and severance if they hadn't held the guy.
2013-06-27 09:57:56 AM  
2 votes:

JerkStore: And so it begins. These cheap Chinese laborers aren't going to work for pennies forever. This is why I don't really worry about China owning all our debt or doing any of the other nonsense they're doing. They're about to have massive internal problems and a gigantic shift in power.


Didn't you read the article? That is why they are outsourcing to India.
2013-06-27 09:57:53 AM  
2 votes:
Also, I'm kind of glad that CEO had a scary time of it. Maybe this whole "moving production to a place where you can exploit people and treat them like slaves" thing isn't going to work out like they hoped after all.
2013-06-27 12:24:50 PM  
1 votes:

vudukungfu: ed up settling out of court and paying me more than it would if he had not farked with my paycheck. He just didn't want his name in the paper as a penny-pinching cheapskate lair.


why do you work such shiatty jobs where this has to  be brought up in an interview?
2013-06-27 12:06:18 PM  
1 votes:

vudukungfu: For the last four jobs I had, I started the interview with letting them know in no uncertain terms, that if they fark with my paycheck, there will be trouble for them and they will not survive unscathed.
Only one thought I was not being serious. He ended up settling out of court and paying me more than it would if he had not farked with my paycheck. He just didn't want his name in the paper as a penny-pinching cheapskate lair. Although everyone in town knows he is.


Yeah, that's not a good way to interview.
2013-06-27 11:40:14 AM  
1 votes:

Ricardo Klement: The_Gallant_Gallstone: vudukungfu: For the last four jobs I had, I started the interview with letting them know in no uncertain terms, that if they fark with my paycheck, there will be trouble for them and they will not survive unscathed.

Do you wear fatigues and ammo clips to job interviews for office positions?

Is the job at NRA headquarters in VA?


Jesus.  I used to work next to that building.  Their parking lot exited through ours, and they ahd a stop sign in their direction, we ahd none in our direction as it was the main exit route from a lot that served probably 2 dozen small offices.

Almost daily, some asshole would come flying out of their lot, not even slowing a little tiny bit, completely blowing through the stop sign.  Eventually I just said "Fark It" and stopped slamming my brakes to avoid them.  After that I just got honks and middle fingers as they were forced to stop at the stop sign while I continued on giving zero farks.

/One of the only benefits of driving a 20 year old $2000 Honda Civic.  Damage will amost always be higher (in $$$ value) to the other car.
//Sorry for ranty threadjack
2013-06-27 11:30:00 AM  
1 votes:

Carth: JerkStore: And so it begins. These cheap Chinese laborers aren't going to work for pennies forever. This is why I don't really worry about China owning all our debt or doing any of the other nonsense they're doing. They're about to have massive internal problems and a gigantic shift in power.

Didn't you read the article? That is why they are outsourcing to India.


I'd say it's more of a currency issue. Just 10 years ago, the Chinese Yuan was trading at 8 to 1 USD, and today is trading at 6.15 to one... roughly a 30% increase in costs.

The Indian rupee on the other hand was running about 45 to 1, and today is about 60.15 to 1 (a 34% decrease in costs).

To throw that into perspective, relative to each other, that's like 5.27 going to 9.78 from ten years ago, almost double the costs as opposed to 10 years ago.

It's more complicated than that obviously, but it makes an interesting point. -We're not going to see manufacturing back in the states until we've driven up every foreign country's currency relative to our own. When we're done with India, we'll move somewhere cheaper. Only when we've run out of cheaper places or stable places, will lower end work start trickling back in.

The part of this that pisses me off is that I'm in IT, and as time passes, Indian labor is becoming cheaper and is helping keep me from having the fantastic wages of those in my field circa 1999.

If anyone has anything *positive* to say to cheer me up, I'd love to hear it. :-)
2013-06-27 11:22:51 AM  
1 votes:

LemSkroob: It is not rare in China for managers to be held by workers demanding back pay or other benefits, often from their Chinese owners. Police are reluctant to intervene, as they consider it a business dispute.

Man, its astonishing how much the rest of the world is little more than savages.


Really?

Do you think "the rich" would be screwing over us as much if they thought they had to deal with events like this?
2013-06-27 10:13:05 AM  
1 votes:
For the last four jobs I had, I started the interview with letting them know in no uncertain terms, that if they fark with my paycheck, there will be trouble for them and they will not survive unscathed.
Only one thought I was not being serious. He ended up settling out of court and paying me more than it would if he had not farked with my paycheck. He just didn't want his name in the paper as a penny-pinching cheapskate lair. Although everyone in town knows he is.
2013-06-27 10:11:39 AM  
1 votes:

bmwericus: If it was a Chinese govt factory, all the workers would have been shot, since it is a western factory, the govt helps the workers out in their 'dispute'.

/no double standards in China


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/06/15/f-faq-back-to-work-le gi slation.html

FMLA: "Typically, back-to-work legislation is imposed only after some time has passed"... 
'Harper's Government', on the other hand, usually has back-to-work legislation out before the ink on the signboards is even close to dry.

Honestly, As unimpressed as I am with the Chinese government, I can't say they have it entirely wrong here. I wouldn't mind having the government on the worker's side once in a while when company owners are screwing folks over. Hell, I'd even accept neutrality.
2013-06-27 10:09:10 AM  
1 votes:
HA! now that's how you negotiate with management.
2013-06-27 10:00:13 AM  
1 votes:
Starnes previously said the company had been winding down its plastics division, with plans to move it to Mumbai. He arrived in Beijing last week to lay off the last 30 people. Workers in other divisions started demanding similar severance packages.

well, the workers were correct.  he was starting to wrap things up and was going to get out of town at some point leaving the rest with nothing
2013-06-27 09:59:16 AM  
1 votes:

Carth: JerkStore: And so it begins. These cheap Chinese laborers aren't going to work for pennies forever. This is why I don't really worry about China owning all our debt or doing any of the other nonsense they're doing. They're about to have massive internal problems and a gigantic shift in power.

Didn't you read the article? That is why they are outsourcing to India.


at least they'll have the illusion of democracy to keep them happy there
2013-06-27 09:58:26 AM  
1 votes:
It is not rare in China for managers to be held by workers demanding back pay or other benefits, often from their Chinese owners. Police are reluctant to intervene, as they consider it a business dispute.

Epic.
2013-06-27 09:56:38 AM  
1 votes:
And so it begins. These cheap Chinese laborers aren't going to work for pennies forever. This is why I don't really worry about China owning all our debt or doing any of the other nonsense they're doing. They're about to have massive internal problems and a gigantic shift in power.
2013-06-27 09:52:23 AM  
1 votes:
Ah, the perils of outsourcing.  Why would you go yourself?  Send some underling whose life can be miserable FOR you.
2013-06-27 09:51:42 AM  
1 votes:

vpb: it sounds like the workers were right in the first place.  I'll bet they would have never seen their back pay and severance if they hadn't held the guy.


+1
2013-06-27 09:51:37 AM  
1 votes:
It's funny because the workers who were demanding severance packages, weren't even facing immediate termination.

Good jerb, guys.
2013-06-27 09:45:29 AM  
1 votes:

unlikely: It doesn't say that.
But I would.


Actually it does say that.
 
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