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2013-06-27 09:28:48 AM  
It doesn't say that.
But I would.
 
2013-06-27 09:28:58 AM  
JETSON! You'rrrrrrrrre (*jowls shaking*) FIRED!

Aw jeez Mr Spacely...
 
2013-06-27 09:45:29 AM  

unlikely: It doesn't say that.
But I would.


Actually it does say that.
 
2013-06-27 09:46:40 AM  

Walker: unlikely: It doesn't say that.
But I would.

Actually it does say that.


"Chu said all of the workers would be terminated"  To be fair, Walker could have thought that they were all killed.
 
2013-06-27 09:49:57 AM  
Chu said all of the workers would be terminated, and Starnes said some of them would be rehired later.

Hard to stay mad at someone you're paying 50cents an hour to make you millions.  Eh buddy?
 
2013-06-27 09:50:20 AM  
Well,that's what's severance package usually means.  They asked for it.

I willing to bet none of the workers he rehires will be those who held him there and did all the flashlight nonsense.
 
2013-06-27 09:50:20 AM  

unlikely: It doesn't say that.
But I would.


Wow Capt. ADD, do you even comprehend, bro?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-27 09:50:29 AM  
it sounds like the workers were right in the first place.  I'll bet they would have never seen their back pay and severance if they hadn't held the guy.
 
2013-06-27 09:51:37 AM  
It's funny because the workers who were demanding severance packages, weren't even facing immediate termination.

Good jerb, guys.
 
2013-06-27 09:51:42 AM  

vpb: it sounds like the workers were right in the first place.  I'll bet they would have never seen their back pay and severance if they hadn't held the guy.


+1
 
2013-06-27 09:52:23 AM  
Ah, the perils of outsourcing.  Why would you go yourself?  Send some underling whose life can be miserable FOR you.
 
2013-06-27 09:53:20 AM  

Justice By Zig: It's funny because the workers who were demanding severance packages, weren't even facing immediate termination.

Good jerb, guys.


If you held someone captive, you should probably make sure you get severance.
 
2013-06-27 09:53:50 AM  
Well, good for the workers.  A little more of this and you'll start seeing actual unions pop up.
 
2013-06-27 09:54:16 AM  

unlikely: It doesn't say that.
But I would.


FTA: Neither Starnes nor district labor official Chu Lixiang gave details of the agreed compensation. Chu said all of the workers would be terminated, and Starnes said some of them would be rehired later.

In your defense, this doesn't specify what "terminated" entails.

Maybe it was

www.geeksofdoom.com

or maybe

www.examiner.com
 
2013-06-27 09:55:30 AM  

Tomahawk513: Well, good for the workers.  A little more of this and you'll start seeing actual unions pop up.


Union Thugs?  zOMG SOOOOOOOCIALISM!
 
2013-06-27 09:56:38 AM  
And so it begins. These cheap Chinese laborers aren't going to work for pennies forever. This is why I don't really worry about China owning all our debt or doing any of the other nonsense they're doing. They're about to have massive internal problems and a gigantic shift in power.
 
2013-06-27 09:57:53 AM  
Also, I'm kind of glad that CEO had a scary time of it. Maybe this whole "moving production to a place where you can exploit people and treat them like slaves" thing isn't going to work out like they hoped after all.
 
2013-06-27 09:57:56 AM  

JerkStore: And so it begins. These cheap Chinese laborers aren't going to work for pennies forever. This is why I don't really worry about China owning all our debt or doing any of the other nonsense they're doing. They're about to have massive internal problems and a gigantic shift in power.


Didn't you read the article? That is why they are outsourcing to India.
 
2013-06-27 09:58:23 AM  
Jetson, you're fired!

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-06-27 09:58:26 AM  
It is not rare in China for managers to be held by workers demanding back pay or other benefits, often from their Chinese owners. Police are reluctant to intervene, as they consider it a business dispute.

Epic.
 
2013-06-27 09:59:16 AM  

Carth: JerkStore: And so it begins. These cheap Chinese laborers aren't going to work for pennies forever. This is why I don't really worry about China owning all our debt or doing any of the other nonsense they're doing. They're about to have massive internal problems and a gigantic shift in power.

Didn't you read the article? That is why they are outsourcing to India.


at least they'll have the illusion of democracy to keep them happy there
 
2013-06-27 09:59:19 AM  
It is not rare in China for managers to be held by workers demanding back pay or other benefits, often from their Chinese owners. Police are reluctant to intervene, as they consider it a business dispute.

Man, its astonishing how much the rest of the world is little more than savages.
 
2013-06-27 09:59:32 AM  
According to BBC:
He moved the factory from US to China because of lower wages there.
He was going to move it from China to India because of lower wages there.
He hadn't paid his workers in two months.

fark that guy.
 
2013-06-27 10:00:13 AM  
Starnes previously said the company had been winding down its plastics division, with plans to move it to Mumbai. He arrived in Beijing last week to lay off the last 30 people. Workers in other divisions started demanding similar severance packages.

well, the workers were correct.  he was starting to wrap things up and was going to get out of town at some point leaving the rest with nothing
 
2013-06-27 10:02:38 AM  
If it was a Chinese govt factory, all the workers would have been shot, since it is a western factory, the govt helps the workers out in their 'dispute'.

/no double standards in China
//are there?
 
2013-06-27 10:05:59 AM  
unions in my communist China?  say it ain't so

www.tailormypc.com

It ain't so.............
 
2013-06-27 10:06:54 AM  

Lee Jackson Beauregard: Tomahawk513: Well, good for the workers.  A little more of this and you'll start seeing actual unions pop up.

Union Thugs?  zOMG SOOOOOOOCIALISM!


Considering the behavior of the individual workers in this situation, yeah, thugs would be an accurate description of them.  Also, it's China so uhh, yeah, Socialism.
 
2013-06-27 10:09:10 AM  
HA! now that's how you negotiate with management.
 
2013-06-27 10:11:08 AM  

LemSkroob: It is not rare in China for managers to be held by workers demanding back pay or other benefits, often from their Chinese owners. Police are reluctant to intervene, as they consider it a business dispute.

Man, its astonishing how much the rest of the world is little more than savages.


Not much different than the US, where police say "Sorry, it's a civil matter," and then leave.

Also,

FTA:   "the company said the remaining workers weren't being laid off."
and   "He arrived in Beijing last week to lay off the last 30 people."

Sounds like someone's lying.
 
2013-06-27 10:11:39 AM  

bmwericus: If it was a Chinese govt factory, all the workers would have been shot, since it is a western factory, the govt helps the workers out in their 'dispute'.

/no double standards in China


http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2011/06/15/f-faq-back-to-work-le gi slation.html

FMLA: "Typically, back-to-work legislation is imposed only after some time has passed"... 
'Harper's Government', on the other hand, usually has back-to-work legislation out before the ink on the signboards is even close to dry.

Honestly, As unimpressed as I am with the Chinese government, I can't say they have it entirely wrong here. I wouldn't mind having the government on the worker's side once in a while when company owners are screwing folks over. Hell, I'd even accept neutrality.
 
2013-06-27 10:13:05 AM  
For the last four jobs I had, I started the interview with letting them know in no uncertain terms, that if they fark with my paycheck, there will be trouble for them and they will not survive unscathed.
Only one thought I was not being serious. He ended up settling out of court and paying me more than it would if he had not farked with my paycheck. He just didn't want his name in the paper as a penny-pinching cheapskate lair. Although everyone in town knows he is.
 
2013-06-27 10:18:32 AM  

Alonjar: It is not rare in China for managers to be held by workers demanding back pay or other benefits, often from their Chinese owners. Police are reluctant to intervene, as they consider it a business dispute.

Epic.


would it still be a business dispute if he was put on a spit?

Just askin' . . .
 
2013-06-27 10:21:53 AM  

vudukungfu: For the last four jobs I had, I started the interview with letting them know in no uncertain terms, that if they fark with my paycheck, there will be trouble for them and they will not survive unscathed.


Do you wear fatigues and ammo clips to job interviews for office positions?
 
2013-06-27 10:22:57 AM  

vudukungfu: For the last four jobs I had, I started the interview with letting them know in no uncertain terms, that if they fark with my paycheck, there will be trouble for them and they will not survive unscathed.
Only one thought I was not being serious. He ended up settling out of court and paying me more than it would if he had not farked with my paycheck. He just didn't want his name in the paper as a penny-pinching cheapskate lair. Although everyone in town knows he is.


I wouldn't want to be known as a cheapskate lair either, all sorts of cheapskates would be trying to move into me.
 
2013-06-27 10:26:30 AM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: vudukungfu: For the last four jobs I had, I started the interview with letting them know in no uncertain terms, that if they fark with my paycheck, there will be trouble for them and they will not survive unscathed.

Do you wear fatigues and ammo clips to job interviews for office positions?


Based on the login it's a gi and some nunchuks.
 
2013-06-27 10:26:55 AM  

LemSkroob: It is not rare in China for managers to be held by workers demanding back pay or other benefits, often from their Chinese owners. Police are reluctant to intervene, as they consider it a business dispute. They want no farking part of that clusterfark, and it's much easier to say "it's a civil problem" than go up against a bunch of pissed off factory workers.

Man, its astonishing how much the rest of the world is little more than savages.


Even in China, one would think that hostage taking would be something the police would deal with.
But then again, in 1st world England, the police don't give a fark if some gypsies break into your house while you are on vacation and simply declare it to be theirs. That's a civil matter for them, whilst in the US it's a B&E and Tresspassing charge. That's if the homeowner doesn't go all shotgunny on their asses first.
 
2013-06-27 10:27:03 AM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: vudukungfu: For the last four jobs I had, I started the interview with letting them know in no uncertain terms, that if they fark with my paycheck, there will be trouble for them and they will not survive unscathed.

Do you wear fatigues and ammo clips to job interviews for office positions?


I bet he crouches and waves his hands around really fast and says "WAH WAH WOO WAH... HAI YAH!"
 
2013-06-27 10:28:57 AM  

midigod: Also,

FTA:   "the company said the remaining workers weren't being laid off."
and   "He arrived in Beijing last week to lay off the last 30 people."

Sounds like someone's lying.


No... He was going to process the last 30 people who were going to be laid off. The rest of the workers would remain.

FTFA: About 80 workers had started blocking all exits starting last Friday...

Unless mathematics has changed since I was last in school, 80 is quite a bit more than 30.
 
2013-06-27 10:32:27 AM  
How big a jerk do you have to be and how bad is your business when you have to lay off 30 workers in China.  That's like, $60 a day.  Pay them and let them play ping pong or do Cirque du Soleil stuff.
 
2013-06-27 10:33:57 AM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: vudukungfu: For the last four jobs I had, I started the interview with letting them know in no uncertain terms, that if they fark with my paycheck, there will be trouble for them and they will not survive unscathed.

Do you wear fatigues and ammo clips to job interviews for office positions?


Is the job at NRA headquarters in VA?
 
2013-06-27 10:36:30 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-27 10:40:33 AM  
They clearly learned nothing from India, where they beat the boss to death with metal poles as he walked in and told thousands of people they were all fired.

MythDragon: LemSkroob: It is not rare in China for managers to be held by workers demanding back pay or other benefits, often from their Chinese owners. Police are reluctant to intervene, as they consider it a business dispute. They want no farking part of that clusterfark, and it's much easier to say "it's a civil problem" than go up against a bunch of pissed off factory workers.

Man, its astonishing how much the rest of the world is little more than savages.

Even in China, one would think that hostage taking would be something the police would deal with.
But then again, in 1st world England, the police don't give a fark if some gypsies break into your house while you are on vacation and simply declare it to be theirs. That's a civil matter for them, whilst in the US it's a B&E and Tresspassing charge. That's if the homeowner doesn't go all shotgunny on their asses first.


SInce when? If you come back in the US to find your house occupied it is a lengthy court battle that takes months and months to resolve. Often the courts insist you have to share the house. There lots of rules in place and none of them allow you to shoot the person with a shotgun.
 
2013-06-27 10:49:37 AM  
"It is not rare in China for managers to be held by workers demanding back pay or other benefits, often from their Chinese owners. Police are reluctant to intervene, as they consider it a business dispute"

A business dispute is one in which the parties make demands of each other through the courts.  A kidnapping or robbery is when one or more people use physical force or the threat of physical force to unlawfully detain someone demanding money in exchange for their release.

If this is "normal" where you do business, stop doing business there.
 
2013-06-27 10:58:30 AM  

cefm: "It is not rare in China for managers to be held by workers demanding back pay or other benefits, often from their Chinese owners. Police are reluctant to intervene, as they consider it a business dispute"

A business dispute is one in which the parties make demands of each other through the courts.  A kidnapping or robbery is when one or more people use physical force or the threat of physical force to unlawfully detain someone demanding money in exchange for their release.

If this is "normal" where you do business, stop doing business there.


This is why India is a better investment.
 
2013-06-27 10:58:47 AM  
This story has been so badly reported that I am honestly having a hard time wrapping my head around it.

This is what I know is fact:
The workers were pissed off for lack of wages being paid.
They locked bossman in the factory (essentially kidnapping him), until he caved and gave them what they wanted.
They were demanding a severence package equivellent to the ones that were laid off, even though there weren't laid off (which makes no sense)
Now we find out that they were denied pay for work for 2 months or so (which also makes no sense).
The boss gave in and gave them what they wanted.

I'm actually not sure how much of that is fact, because little of it makes much sense.
 
2013-06-27 11:13:53 AM  

The_Gallant_Gallstone: Do you wear fatigues and ammo clips to job interviews for office positions?


I've worn a pin similar to this as a tie tack to job interviews:

www.dixiegunworks.com

Does that count?
 
2013-06-27 11:22:51 AM  

LemSkroob: It is not rare in China for managers to be held by workers demanding back pay or other benefits, often from their Chinese owners. Police are reluctant to intervene, as they consider it a business dispute.

Man, its astonishing how much the rest of the world is little more than savages.


Really?

Do you think "the rich" would be screwing over us as much if they thought they had to deal with events like this?
 
2013-06-27 11:30:00 AM  

Carth: JerkStore: And so it begins. These cheap Chinese laborers aren't going to work for pennies forever. This is why I don't really worry about China owning all our debt or doing any of the other nonsense they're doing. They're about to have massive internal problems and a gigantic shift in power.

Didn't you read the article? That is why they are outsourcing to India.


I'd say it's more of a currency issue. Just 10 years ago, the Chinese Yuan was trading at 8 to 1 USD, and today is trading at 6.15 to one... roughly a 30% increase in costs.

The Indian rupee on the other hand was running about 45 to 1, and today is about 60.15 to 1 (a 34% decrease in costs).

To throw that into perspective, relative to each other, that's like 5.27 going to 9.78 from ten years ago, almost double the costs as opposed to 10 years ago.

It's more complicated than that obviously, but it makes an interesting point. -We're not going to see manufacturing back in the states until we've driven up every foreign country's currency relative to our own. When we're done with India, we'll move somewhere cheaper. Only when we've run out of cheaper places or stable places, will lower end work start trickling back in.

The part of this that pisses me off is that I'm in IT, and as time passes, Indian labor is becoming cheaper and is helping keep me from having the fantastic wages of those in my field circa 1999.

If anyone has anything *positive* to say to cheer me up, I'd love to hear it. :-)
 
2013-06-27 11:37:52 AM  
Well, sounds like we're missing some facts. Were they not paid for 2 months?

But I don't see how anything signed is valid under these circumstances.
 
2013-06-27 11:40:14 AM  

Ricardo Klement: The_Gallant_Gallstone: vudukungfu: For the last four jobs I had, I started the interview with letting them know in no uncertain terms, that if they fark with my paycheck, there will be trouble for them and they will not survive unscathed.

Do you wear fatigues and ammo clips to job interviews for office positions?

Is the job at NRA headquarters in VA?


Jesus.  I used to work next to that building.  Their parking lot exited through ours, and they ahd a stop sign in their direction, we ahd none in our direction as it was the main exit route from a lot that served probably 2 dozen small offices.

Almost daily, some asshole would come flying out of their lot, not even slowing a little tiny bit, completely blowing through the stop sign.  Eventually I just said "Fark It" and stopped slamming my brakes to avoid them.  After that I just got honks and middle fingers as they were forced to stop at the stop sign while I continued on giving zero farks.

/One of the only benefits of driving a 20 year old $2000 Honda Civic.  Damage will amost always be higher (in $$$ value) to the other car.
//Sorry for ranty threadjack
 
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