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2013-06-27 08:14:07 AM
And who don't have the ability to lock me up on a whim like the federal government does.
 
2013-06-27 08:49:46 AM
They don't have the ability to deny me access to planes and government buildings because I was mistakenly put on a watch list.
 
2013-06-27 09:28:50 AM
In other news, the CIA has authorized renewing funding for Facebook
 
2013-06-27 09:40:09 AM

Thoguh: And who don't have the ability to lock me up on a whim like the federal government does.


Not yet, anyway, but eventually, the MetaCops will be able to shoot a loogie at you and then haul you off to the Clink. The Hoosgow if you're really lucky, but only if you give them a trillion Kong Bucks.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-27 09:56:16 AM

Thoguh: And who don't have the ability to lock me up on a whim like the federal government does.


Neither does the federal government.  That's what all those "trial" and "grand jury" and "habeas corpus" things you hear about are for.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-27 10:09:01 AM
This is the problem with the Internet.  Anyone can get information on you.  There are even websites where you can track someone down and find out almost everything.  Any $10 geek at your ISP can read your e-mail.

And it's not just the Internet.  Smart-phones can record sound and video, and you can buy all sorts of spy gear.

Privacy is pretty much dead and I don't think any law can bring it back.
 
2013-06-27 10:31:53 AM

vpb: Thoguh: And who don't have the ability to lock me up on a whim like the federal government does.

Neither does the federal government.  That's what all those "trial" and "grand jury" and "habeas corpus" things you hear about are for.


Yeah it's not like they can just kill you with a drone on American soil or lock you up in Gitmo without a trial..........right guys......guys?
 
2013-06-27 10:33:56 AM
Why create a massive conspiracy, when people will do your work for you anyway?
 
2013-06-27 10:34:19 AM
Solution: Don't use the "Find Friends" tool on Facebook.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-27 10:39:36 AM
And your cat is showing everyone your Pokemons.
 
2013-06-27 10:40:06 AM

vpb: Any $10 geek at your ISP can read your e-mail.


If you're worried about that, encrypt it. PGP has been around since 1991 and S/MIME since 1995; it's not the Internet's fault that nobody ever bothered to use the available technology.
 
2013-06-27 10:40:11 AM

RexTalionis: Thoguh: And who don't have the ability to lock me up on a whim like the federal government does.

Not yet, anyway, but eventually, the MetaCops will be able to shoot a loogie at you and then haul you off to the Clink. The Hoosgow if you're really lucky, but only if you give them a trillion Kong Bucks.


Good luck. MetaCops has no standing with Mr. Lee's Greater Hong Kong. If they even try it, they get a face full of Rat Things. And if that doesn't work, I'm sure they'll listen to Reason.
 
2013-06-27 10:42:12 AM
This.

I have been amazed at how overblown the NSA thing has become.  The very same people running around with their hands in the air in a panic because the NSA might listen in on a call for terrorism keywords are the VERY SAME people who are broadcasting their every location, meal, and minutia of life-detail all over the social networking graph on a daily basis.
 
2013-06-27 10:42:43 AM
Sure it all begins innocently enough, clicking cows. The first few cows are free, but then you're hooked.
 
2013-06-27 10:47:47 AM
If all these people knew I was having THE WORST DAY EVER! why didn't somebody ask me why?
 
2013-06-27 10:48:58 AM

Donnchadha: In other news, the CIA has authorized renewing funding for Facebook


"What we need is to know who everyone is, who they're related to, who their friends are, how much money they have, where they get it, when they eat, when they sh*t and how many times they wipe their ass."

"Yeah, but how are we gonna do that?"

"I have an idea."

"Go on, Smith."

"They volunteer it, on purpose, on public websites so that they can think that everybody, everywhere is all concerned about the most petty details of their lives.  After that, it's just a matter of matching names to ISPs, bank account and CC numbers and tax statements and mobile and land line providers."

"And how do we get them to do that?"

"People are lonely and they want attention, sir.  Gentlemen, meet Mr. Zuckerberg.  He could use some money."
 
2013-06-27 10:49:52 AM

vpb: Thoguh: And who don't have the ability to lock me up on a whim like the federal government does.

Neither does the federal government.  That's what all those "trial" and "grand jury" and "habeas corpus" things you hear about are for.


They can jail you for up to 24 hours without charge (only in some places?), to say nothing of extrajudicially locking someone up (sure, the courts could get you out, but after how long?) or worse - someone says the "T" word.

Of course, that risk is there every time a cop is, so usage of the internet shouldn't be a factor (unless you do something stupid, like threaten someone).
 
2013-06-27 10:55:25 AM
Yes, I too see no difference between private information given consciously and voluntarily versus private information taken without awareness or approval.

Because some people have chosen to share more than others, everyone loses their rights to privacy.

It only makes sense... when you're intentionally being obtuse.
 
2013-06-27 10:57:52 AM
Whatever happened to talking and the physical intimacy of communicating in person?  Oh wait, what am I saying.  How unhip and uncool of me to refuse to participate in something revolved around instant gratification at the expense of my soul.

I certainly can't wait until I'm refused a job because of how backwards thinking I am with my whole assessment of how we as a society are redefining how we communicate for no good reason other than to exploit our animalistic tendencies towards vanity.

/tweeting is ok if you're a comedian or just follow comedians
//I don't have a twitter account
 
2013-06-27 11:02:11 AM
The next time I get an email from Facebook or LinkedIn (neither of which I have accounts for) about how somebody tagged me in a photo or added me to their profile I'm going to punch someone in the taint.

I'd be interested to see how many of these companies have any information on me whatsoever, even though I didn't agree to their Terms of Use or Privacy Policy as I'm not a user.
 
2013-06-27 11:06:12 AM

Xexre: The next time I get an email from Facebook or LinkedIn (neither of which I have accounts for) about how somebody tagged me in a photo or added me to their profile I'm going to punch someone in the taint.

I'd be interested to see how many of these companies have any information on me whatsoever, even though I didn't agree to their Terms of Use or Privacy Policy as I'm not a user.


All of them.  Remember the land grabs of the 19th c.?  This is the data grab.
 
2013-06-27 11:07:59 AM

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: Solution: Don't use the "Find Friends" tool on Facebook.

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Yeah, but what do you do about a mother-in-law & sister-in-law who always click that shiat?  They just roll their eyes and call me paranoid when I ask them to stop giving FB my info, FFS.

They like to enter my info into giveaways/sweepstake types of shiat too.  They honestly think they're being nice and think I'm crazy to get mad.  I don't want all the spam, junk mail, or telemarketing calls that I get because of it.
 
2013-06-27 11:10:08 AM

penthesilea: Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: Solution: Don't use the "Find Friends" tool on Facebook.

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Yeah, but what do you do about a mother-in-law & sister-in-law who always click that shiat?  They just roll their eyes and call me paranoid when I ask them to stop giving FB my info, FFS.

They like to enter my info into giveaways/sweepstake types of shiat too.  They honestly think they're being nice and think I'm crazy to get mad.  I don't want all the spam, junk mail, or telemarketing calls that I get because of it.


Try and teach them that nothing lasts very long in America unless it moves money around and then ask them where they think these free websites get their money from
 
2013-06-27 11:26:15 AM
Can someone here please send me an extra life in Candy Crush?
 
2013-06-27 11:27:32 AM

bunner: penthesilea: Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: Solution: Don't use the "Find Friends" tool on Facebook.

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Yeah, but what do you do about a mother-in-law & sister-in-law who always click that shiat?  They just roll their eyes and call me paranoid when I ask them to stop giving FB my info, FFS.

They like to enter my info into giveaways/sweepstake types of shiat too.  They honestly think they're being nice and think I'm crazy to get mad.  I don't want all the spam, junk mail, or telemarketing calls that I get because of it.

Try and teach them that nothing lasts very long in America unless it moves money around and then ask them where they think these free websites get their money from


Oh trust me, I have.  They don't see anything wrong with it.  They think having all those companies know everything makes their lives easier and better.  It's incredibly frustrating.
 
2013-06-27 11:31:36 AM
Here ... have a shovel. Dig.
My own grave?
It's the New Way.
Can I talk about this?
Please do.
 
2013-06-27 11:32:55 AM

abfalter: I have been amazed at how overblown the NSA thing has become.  The very same people running around with their hands in the air in a panic because the NSA might listen in on a call for terrorism keywords are the VERY SAME people who are broadcasting their every location, meal, and minutia of life-detail all over the social networking graph on a daily basis.


Fark is the only "social media" / discussion board account I have.  No MyBook or FaceSpace or Tweeter or any of that other crap. Why?  Because I know all too well how easy it is for unflattering information to get out there.   Case in point:  When we're down to deciding between new prospective employees, they turn the prospects' files over to me and tell me to go dig up any & all dirt I can find.    Those pictures of you getting drunk off your ass every weekend or tweets about all the stupid things you've done will prevent you from getting a job with us.  Similarly, a profile with too many nice things posted right around job search time will also get you bumped from the list -- I know you're full of shiat.  Thanks for trying to snowball us.

  Any IT guy worth his salt (read: NOT a tech school/book-trained Microsoft certified) has known or at least suspected about the existence of these gov't programs for years.   Even back in 1993 when the NSA was pushing for the Clipper Chip, the government's intentions were clear -- it wanted full access to your private data, without the need for warrants.  While the Clipper Chip failed to gain ground, CALEA was passed in 1994. I'm proud to say that none of my company's equipment supports CALEA and all traffic is encrypted using multiple ciphers, a few modified for good measure.

vpb: Thoguh: And who don't have the ability to lock me up on a whim like the federal government does.
Neither does the federal government.  That's what all those "trial" and "grand jury" and "habeas corpus" things you hear about are for.


Actually, the 2012 National Defense Authorization Act allows for indefinite detention.  Sure, you're not convicted of a crime, so you're not officially 'locked up'.  Rather, you're just in jail awaiting trial.  The Act allows this wait to go on without any specified deadline.  This is in addition to Gitmo or the drone strikes of US citizens which the administration has been very supportive in.
 
2013-06-27 11:39:04 AM

vpb: Neither does the federal government. That's what all those "trial" and "grand jury" and "habeas corpus" things you hear about are for.


I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you're white.
 
2013-06-27 11:39:35 AM
images.wikia.com
 
2013-06-27 11:40:11 AM
www.theblindcard.com

Why so serious? We all need to figger out a way to make this surveillance thing FUN. C'mon Kids, we can do it ..
 
2013-06-27 11:53:25 AM

Xexre: The next time I get an email from Facebook or LinkedIn (neither of which I have accounts for) about how somebody tagged me in a photo or added me to their profile I'm going to punch someone in the taint.

I'd be interested to see how many of these companies have any information on me whatsoever, even though I didn't agree to their Terms of Use or Privacy Policy as I'm not a user.


You don't need to agree to anything, it's not your data. It's your friends data about you.
 
2013-06-27 12:06:02 PM
We gathered, two generations strong, and said "what ever we R on teh highway to hell yo!  Woo!  Partay!  And We don't care!".  And the powers that be said "that's rather useful."  Welcome to the after party.  Fire up the barbecue and the PS3 and make sure google maps has your precise location.
 
2013-06-27 12:06:41 PM

vpb: Thoguh: And who don't have the ability to lock me up on a whim like the federal government does.

Neither does the federal government.  That's what all those "trial" and "grand jury" and "habeas corpus" things you hear about are for.


Tell that to your cellmate Jose Padilla after you spend 3.5 years locked up without trial on suspicion of terrorism.
 
2013-06-27 12:08:19 PM

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: Solution: Don't use the "Find Friends" tool on Facebook.

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Even easier, DON'T JOIN/SIGN UP FOR FACEBOOK/SOCIAL NETWORKING SITES!
 
2013-06-27 12:10:30 PM
For extra fun, be sure to tag all your photos on facebook with the wrong name.
 
2013-06-27 12:21:01 PM

Spadababababababa Spadina Bus: Solution: Don't use the "Find Friends" tool on Facebook.


Solution: don't use facebook.
 
2013-06-27 12:24:32 PM

joeflood: For extra fun, be sure to tag all your photos on facebook with the wrong name.


I leave poison data associated with my nicks, email addresses, etc. For facebook, when I used it, I was a 97 yo widower living in beruit
 
2013-06-27 12:38:27 PM

vpb: Thoguh: And who don't have the ability to lock me up on a whim like the federal government does.

Neither does the federal government.  That's what all those "trial" and "grand jury" and "habeas corpus" things you hear about are for.


Yeah because a program designed to place terrorists in Gitmo cares a whole lot about due process and habeas corpus

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2007/02/guan-f21.html
 
2013-06-27 12:55:35 PM

IamAwake: facebook, when I used it, I was a 97 yo widower living in beruit


that, actually, might draw some attention.
 
2013-06-27 01:10:57 PM

Sean M: Any IT guy worth his salt (read: NOT a tech school/book-trained Microsoft certified) has known or at least suspected about the existence of these gov't programs for years. Even back in 1993 when the NSA was pushing for the Clipper Chip, the government's intentions were clear -- it wanted full access to your private data, without the need for warrants. While the Clipper Chip failed to gain ground, CALEA was passed in 1994. I'm proud to say that none of my company's equipment supports CALEA and all traffic is encrypted using multiple ciphers, a few modified for good measure.


And it turned out they didn't need any of that hardware junk anyway, they just had to lean hard on big companies and they'd shovel everything at them without a fight.
 
2013-06-27 01:13:30 PM
Facebook
LinkedIn
etc...and so on...
They are all doing it everywhere.

Do a records search on your name, doesn't even have to be social media related...they'll know you, you residence, phone, friends, family and more.
Don't be surprised if people know about you.

Keep your nose clean...try to be boring.
Welcome to the new world.

Fortunately, you're just one in a million, if not billion.
So most people and companies are ignorant of what they can do, don't take the time...or pretty much ignore what they find, in comparison to others.

It's the thieves you have to worry about, so just play it smart.
Don't give out your info unless YOU'VE checked THEM...and it's a legit reason, for a legit company.
 
2013-06-27 01:34:15 PM
Yeah, because that's all it's for and history has proven that this sort of societal micro control never mudslides into a septic tank.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-27 04:21:21 PM
genner:

Yeah it's not like they can just kill you with a drone on American soil or lock you up in Gitmo without a trial..........right guys......guys?

Right they can't.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-27 04:22:06 PM

boarch: vpb: Thoguh: And who don't have the ability to lock me up on a whim like the federal government does.

Neither does the federal government.  That's what all those "trial" and "grand jury" and "habeas corpus" things you hear about are for.

Yeah because a program designed to place terrorists in Gitmo cares a whole lot about due process and habeas corpus

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2007/02/guan-f21.html


World Socialist Website?
 
2013-06-27 04:24:55 PM
You know what?

I really don't care.

This is one of those items that is, by definition, beyond my control.  If someone wants to read my bad poetry and fiction, be my guest.  It is out there for the public to see it.  And I am not in position where any politically incorrect speech made by me is going to amount to a hill of beans.
 
2013-06-27 04:58:45 PM

Another Government Employee: am not in position where any politically incorrect speech made by me is going to amount to a hill of beans.


That's what I'm hoping.

"I rail at your fourth Reich, transparent douchebaggery!"

"Yeah, we know.  Not important."

*Goes to airport.  Smiles at the goons*
 
2013-06-27 05:02:17 PM
I'd love to believe that our gubminn is on the case, doing what needs done we're going through a bad patch, atm, weeding out the loonies, pricks and sonsab*tches.

I really would.

I've just never seen any country go down this road and things turn out all Perrier, petunias and rainbow farting unicorns.

And I ain't holding my breath.
 
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