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2013-06-27 12:57:07 PM  
Microsoft farked up badly

It wasn't that Metro was bad. Metro is hell of good once you get used to it.

And that is the problem: once you get used to it

You don't throw away a metaphor that you have had for 17 years. You transition people, not force them.

Microsoft does not understand this.

They should have learned it when they debuted the ribbon.

Microsoft should have done a half-in Metro introduction. They should have kept the Desktop as the primary screen and edited the Start Menu to be more Metro like. They could have even added in mouse gestures. It was too much too fast and I hope Microsoft will learn their lesson after this.
 
2013-06-27 01:02:03 PM  
Uncle Fester demo-ing your products doesn't make them sexy.
 
2013-06-27 01:27:06 PM  
The company heard the complaints of its consumers, spent obscene amounts of money fixing those complaints, and you're still going to hear people say stupid shiat like "Too little, too late".

Just like with XBox -- everything people complained about, they're changing, but you'll still have people biatch and complain.
 
2013-06-27 01:36:37 PM  

cman: It wasn't that Metro was bad. Metro is hell of good once you get used to it.


Not if you use your computer for anything, it's not.

Metro isn't the problem, per se, and the Start menu was never exactly the holy grail of user interface design, but when you take a feature away and ask people to relearn a fundamental part of their experiences, you need to make sure whatever replaces it is better and worth their time and Metro just isn't. Especially not for "power user" level use, then it's just an outright obstacle (although that continues their design philosophy they started in Vista which I can only assume is named "Fark You People Who Know How to Use a Computer We Don't Care About You").

meanmutton: stupid shiat like "Too little, too late".


How is that stupid? They released a product and it failed. People evaluated it and came to their conclusions. That's how product launches work. You launch a crappy product it gets labeled as a crappy product and that label sticks. It happened with Vista too. It didn't matter that they fixed it, the damage was done and people didn't see the fixes adding enough value, especially that late in the game, to justify a purchase.

The Metro crap wasn't the only problem with 8 anyway. The OS just didn't really offer that much value period. There's very little reason for anybody to move from 7 to 8 especially with the unnecessary learning curve on top of it. Support for 7 will last well into the next full release so unless there's some specific thing you know you want or need in 8, why would you bother with the cost or hassle instead of just waiting for the next big release?
/ this reminds me, I just got an email about the new 8.1 Preview.... off to check it out
 
2013-06-27 01:49:25 PM  

cman: Microsoft farked up badly

It wasn't that Metro was bad. Metro is hell of good once you get used to it.

And that is the problem: once you get used to it

You don't throw away a metaphor that you have had for 17 years. You transition people, not force them.

Microsoft does not understand this.

They should have learned it when they debuted the ribbon.

Microsoft should have done a half-in Metro introduction. They should have kept the Desktop as the primary screen and edited the Start Menu to be more Metro like. They could have even added in mouse gestures. It was too much too fast and I hope Microsoft will learn their lesson after this.


I bought a top of the line gaming laptop.  It can run the most of the latest games with all effects and full detail.  Windows 8 performance on it is incredibly slow. I've never seen an OS this slow.   I only use this laptop for games so it has nothing loaded on it besides Steam and a few gamedev tools.

Deleting a file from the desktop takes 10-20+ seconds while the OS thinks about sh*t.  It's also not uncommon for it to say that the file is still in use and can't be deleted at this time.   Aside from that, just trying to shut the thing down or change a setting is mind boggling.

Aside from that, Metro goes full screen when you don't want it too and has the gawd aweful "show the user everything" design sense.  I just can't handle when I'm looking for a program and it shows me every icon of all installed software.  I'm floored at just how dumb MS interfaces have become.

I
 
2013-06-27 01:55:11 PM  
skozlaw: meanmutton: stupid shiat like "Too little, too late".

How is that stupid? They released a product and it failed. People evaluated it and came to their conclusions. That's how product launches work. You launch a crappy product it gets labeled as a crappy product and that label sticks. It happened with Vista too. It didn't matter that they fixed it, the damage was done and people didn't see the fixes adding enough value, especially that late in the game, to justify a purchase.



It's stupid because people are judging what an item is now based on what it used to be.  It's an illogical way of analyzing a product.

Also, "late in the game"?  What does that mean?  Windows 8 has been out what, 6 months?  XBox One doesn't come out for 6 months.
 
2013-06-27 01:59:05 PM  

physt: cman: Microsoft farked up badly

It wasn't that Metro was bad. Metro is hell of good once you get used to it.

And that is the problem: once you get used to it

You don't throw away a metaphor that you have had for 17 years. You transition people, not force them.

Microsoft does not understand this.

They should have learned it when they debuted the ribbon.

Microsoft should have done a half-in Metro introduction. They should have kept the Desktop as the primary screen and edited the Start Menu to be more Metro like. They could have even added in mouse gestures. It was too much too fast and I hope Microsoft will learn their lesson after this.

I bought a top of the line gaming laptop.  It can run the most of the latest games with all effects and full detail.  Windows 8 performance on it is incredibly slow. I've never seen an OS this slow.   I only use this laptop for games so it has nothing loaded on it besides Steam and a few gamedev tools.

Deleting a file from the desktop takes 10-20+ seconds while the OS thinks about sh*t.  It's also not uncommon for it to say that the file is still in use and can't be deleted at this time.   Aside from that, just trying to shut the thing down or change a setting is mind boggling.

Aside from that, Metro goes full screen when you don't want it too and has the gawd aweful "show the user everything" design sense.  I just can't handle when I'm looking for a program and it shows me every icon of all installed software.  I'm floored at just how dumb MS interfaces have become.

I


You are so full of shiat. Windows 8 was snappy as hell over 7. Metro was okay but 8.1 makes it snappy. I bet you have a raid or some shiat with shiatty drivers. I saw that all the time and still do and doesn't matter what OS if the drivers are shiat.
 
2013-06-27 02:04:37 PM  
If I didn't have so much tied into my Android/Google account, I'd buy a W8 phone. I saw a friend's phone and it looks really good and is easy to use. I think it looks and works better than Android's icon based OS. plus Nokia/Ovi Maps or whatever it's called now totally works offline and you can search for streets offline, something Google Maps can't do.
 
2013-06-27 02:23:23 PM  
"The message you get sitting at Build is that touch is here to stay and that it has utility across all screen form factors," said Al Hilwa, an IDC analyst. "However, you also hear that Microsoft gets it, that knowledge workers who are sitting down in front of a big screen monitor want to interact primarily, if not exclusively, in desktop mode."
It can't be both.

I use twin 27" monitors, and they are beyond arm's length.  A touch interface is simply retarded in that context.
 
2013-06-27 02:27:45 PM  

physt: It's also not uncommon for it to say that the file is still in use and can't be deleted at this time.   Aside from that, just trying to shut the thing down or change a setting is mind boggling.


Seriously, what is up with this shiat? Using my Windows 8 laptop can get frustrating as hell for these reasons and more.
 
2013-06-27 02:53:14 PM  
Metro sucks.  It's designed for a single-tasking environment.  Windows 8 should have been titled "Microsoft Window".  What the hell is so wrong with having a desktop?

Also, Windows 8.1 took some measures to lock out the jailbreak used to run desktop applications on Windows RT.  Why do they care so much about letting people use non-Metro applications on the Surface RT?  It's customer-hostile and reduces the value of the device.  It also makes it clear that they intend to do the same to the PC once they can get away with it.
 
2013-06-27 02:57:33 PM  

skozlaw: The Metro crap wasn't the only problem with 8 anyway. The OS just didn't really offer that much value period. There's very little reason for anybody to move from 7 to 8 especially with the unnecessary learning curve on top of it. Support for 7 will last well into the next full release so unless there's some specific thing you know you want or need in 8, why would you bother with the cost or hassle instead of just waiting for the next big release?
/ this reminds me, I just got an email about the new 8.1 Preview.... off to check it out


8.1 hardly changes anything with the desktop, and the Start screen is pretty much the same.  Almost all the changes are to Metro-specific features that nobody wants anyway.

The only nice feature I've found with 8.1 is that menu that comes up when you right-click the lower-left corner of the screen now has shut down, restart, and sleep options.  That's been the most annoying thing with me in Windows 8--the difficulty of just shutting down.

I don't like the Metro start screen, but I tolerate it.  I can't find jack shiat in the Start screen, so I use it as a keyboard interface: I start typing the name of the program I want and it'll find it.
 
2013-06-27 03:01:53 PM  

meanmutton: The company heard the complaints of its consumers, spent obscene amounts of money fixing those complaints, and you're still going to hear people say stupid shiat like "Too little, too late".

Just like with XBox -- everything people complained about, they're changing, but you'll still have people biatch and complain.


It's just that Microsoft is known for fixing two issues while making an entirely new one (the whole Bing integration into Win8.1). Forcing people to use a product that they've had four years to build and grow isn't going to make them any new friends.
 
2013-06-27 03:15:42 PM  

Intrepid00: You are so full of shiat. Windows 8 was snappy as hell over 7. Metro was okay but 8.1 makes it snappy. I bet you have a raid or some shiat with shiatty drivers. I saw that all the time and still do and doesn't matter what OS if the drivers are shiat.


Windows 8 response time is slower then 7.  Anyone who says otherwise is full of shiat.  7 was a rock solid OS - why they had to ruin it by throwing on the cluttered mess of Metro is beyond me.

/have two desktops at home - the older one is running 7 and the new (with a faster CPU, memory, and faster SSD drive) one is running 8 - seriously thinking of reformatting the thing back to 7 because of the annoyance of using 8
 
2013-06-27 03:18:50 PM  

un4gvn666: physt: It's also not uncommon for it to say that the file is still in use and can't be deleted at this time.   Aside from that, just trying to shut the thing down or change a setting is mind boggling.

Seriously, what is up with this shiat? Using my Windows 8 laptop can get frustrating as hell for these reasons and more.


I've had to set up a new laptop for someone, and naturally it came with Windows 8. Classic Shell is a lifesaver. Since 8.1 really isn't going to fix anything, Classic Shell will still be a lifesaver.

No, Microsoft, my desktop isn't a smartphone. Don't keep trying to turn it into one. And enough with the "cloud" bullshiat, for that matter. I'm not interested in storing confidential business (or personal!) data on a third-party server.
 
2013-06-27 03:33:57 PM  

cman: Microsoft farked up badly

It wasn't that Metro was bad. Metro is hell of good once you get used to it.

And that is the problem: once you get used to it

You don't throw away a metaphor that you have had for 17 years. You transition people, not force them.

Microsoft does not understand this.

They should have learned it when they debuted the ribbon.

Microsoft should have done a half-in Metro introduction. They should have kept the Desktop as the primary screen and edited the Start Menu to be more Metro like. They could have even added in mouse gestures. It was too much too fast and I hope Microsoft will learn their lesson after this.


a big ole' fat hog like Monopoly$oft is used to throwing its weight around.   Linux Mint didn't force me to use it, all they had to do was make me aware of other choices.  never looked back.

Linux (and FOSS) is an open hand
Microsoft is a closed fist.
 
2013-06-27 03:46:15 PM  

meanmutton: The company heard the complaints of its consumers, spent obscene amounts of money fixing those complaints, and you're still going to hear people say stupid shiat like "Too little, too late".

Just like with XBox -- everything people complained about, they're changing, but you'll still have people biatch and complain.


In this case, their entire strategy is "too little, too late".

Microsoft is doomed in the mobile world.  They hit the phone and tablet market too late and didn't give consumers enough incentive to choose them over Apple or Android.
 
2013-06-27 03:50:18 PM  
Also, I love how the return of the Start menu in 8.1 is really just another middle finger to Desktop users rather than a restoration of what they actually want.
 
2013-06-27 03:51:07 PM  
Microsoft has never cared about their customers.  They only care about their customer's money.
They have never had any loyalty to any customers, nor have they ever cared about supporting their products long term.

Why should anyone have any loyalty to them?
If they die as a company tomorrow, their employees will just have to go to another company that actually cares about their customer base.

F**k them and their s**tty attitude.  DIAF!
 
2013-06-27 04:08:36 PM  

cman: Microsoft farked up badly

It wasn't that Metro was bad. Metro is hell of good once you get used to it.

And that is the problem: once you get used to it

You don't throw away a metaphor that you have had for 17 years. You transition people, not force them.

Microsoft does not understand this.

They should have learned it when they debuted the ribbon.

Microsoft should have done a half-in Metro introduction. They should have kept the Desktop as the primary screen and edited the Start Menu to be more Metro like. They could have even added in mouse gestures. It was too much too fast and I hope Microsoft will learn their lesson after this.


I think it was push to get relevant in smartphones and unify their stuff. They basically own the PC market. They wanted to Force people to learn/use the metro screen. Eventually you'll have people who've grown up with it, then when they decide to get a smartphone they'll think...wow, this is just like my PC...and it's all integrated and stuff. Maybe I'll get this over a iphone or droid.

If it were up to me (it's not), I would simply have included it as an added feature in this version and called it "touchscreen mode" (maybe use one of the "F" keys to initiate it). Let people play with it, get feedback, go from there.
 
2013-06-27 04:23:01 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "The message you get sitting at Build is that touch is here to stay and that it has utility across all screen form factors," said Al Hilwa, an IDC analyst. "However, you also hear that Microsoft gets it, that knowledge workers who are sitting down in front of a big screen monitor want to interact primarily, if not exclusively, in desktop mode."
It can't be both.

I use twin 27" monitors, and they are beyond arm's length.  A touch interface is simply retarded in that context.


I was gonna say this.  So this.

Don't the Win 8 developers, QA and Beta Testers use multiple / large monitors on their desks?  How did they not notice that it didn't work smoothly?
 
2013-06-27 04:29:59 PM  
This will be unpopular but, once you get use to Window 8 - it's a good OS.
 
2013-06-27 04:39:19 PM  
meanmutton:

Just like with XBox -- everything people complained about, they're changing, but you'll still have people biatch and complain.

That is great news. I was hoping they'd release an xbox one without a kinect.
 
2013-06-27 04:42:36 PM  
Start button is restored?  Good.
Start button leads to Metro?  Now you're just farking trolling us, F'off you gits.
 
2013-06-27 04:44:28 PM  
Has anybody installed the update yet?  How does it compare to just using Classic Shell?

I've been using Windows 8 with a SSD and Classic Shell.  It's pretty quick.
 
2013-06-27 05:01:35 PM  
People using desktop computers generally don't want to touch their monitors, ever.  Forcing a touch-based system to be enabled by default and unavoidable is incredibly arrogant by Microsoft, it's as if they designed the whole OS without ever actually thinking about real world use issues.
 
2013-06-27 05:24:02 PM  

meanmutton: Just like with XBox -- everything people complained about, they're changing, but you'll still have people biatch and complain.


I don't know if you're a paid shill for Microsoft or if you're just an idiot. The Xbox One is still $100 more than the PS4 while being significantly less powerful. Microsoft changed some of those aspects of their product that were an actual outrage, after a massive amount of negative publicity and after repeatedly insulting their customers, but they absolutely did not fix everything people were complaining about. And honestly, given their recent track record, why would you willingly deal with this company if you can easily avoid it?
 
2013-06-27 06:10:30 PM  
How the hell is touch the future?

I've got a touch screen pc and it is way more work to touch the screen instead of using a mouse.

Sure it makes sense on a tablet, but not for a desktop.

-Sopwith
 
2013-06-27 06:29:13 PM  
Windows 8 on a desktop machine was finally enough to push me, a PC/Microsoft user since DOS 3.3, to this a few months ago when it was time to purchase a new laptop:

www.ctc-computer.com

My first ever Mac.  I haven't looked back since, and my next desktop purchase will be a Mac as well.

At this point, I will only keep Windows around to run games.  If I wanted to use a tablet OS, I'd buy a farking tablet.
 
2013-06-27 06:41:44 PM  

meanmutton: Also, "late in the game"? What does that mean?


We're nearly a year in on a product that delivered little and now we're talking about the future release of a band aid to fix the things it broke.

The time to "wow" potential buyers was a year ago and they didn't do it. It's too late to fix that. Everyone saw it, evaluated its pros (few) and cons (significant) and said "gee.... why not just sit on a fully supported Windows 7 until the next full release in a few years?"

It's far too late to fix any of that.

As far as the XBox, I wasn't exactly enthusiastic for the product one way or the other, so when they walked out on stage and dropped a huge turd in front of everyone that was pretty much the end of it for me. How all their furious backpedaling since plays to other people who are more interested in consoles than I am is still up in the air, but they didn't exactly do themselves any favors making any converts with that first giant dump they took.
 
2013-06-27 06:46:11 PM  

Slackfumasta: Windows 8 on a desktop machine was finally enough to push me, a PC/Microsoft user since DOS 3.3, to this a few months ago when it was time to purchase a new laptop:

[www.ctc-computer.com image 500x500]

My first ever Mac.  I haven't looked back since, and my next desktop purchase will be a Mac as well.

At this point, I will only keep Windows around to run games.  If I wanted to use a tablet OS, I'd buy a farking tablet.


So now you use an OS with no start button.  And to start a program you either click one of a bunch of programs pinned to a bar on the bottom of your desktop, or tediusly scroll through a list of all installed applications or type the name into spotlight?

Man, you sure dodged a bullet there. :p
 
2013-06-27 06:54:34 PM  
I hate the side scrolling. I'm on a laptop, not a tablet.
 
2013-06-27 06:56:57 PM  
Computers are now in nearly every household, like TV. Imagine the shiatstorm if TVs were so radically redesigned that you had to go get a For Dummies book to operate one. Microsoft has something almost that epically stupid with Windows 8. Forcing people to learn all over again because yo fixed something that wasn't broken is unforgivable. If Android can be made into a viable desktop, Microsoft is toast.
 
2013-06-27 07:08:26 PM  
Windows 8 is awesome on tablets. By far the best thing going.
 
2013-06-27 07:56:17 PM  
Computer shopping two months ago... nothing but Windows 8

Computer shopping now... Windows 7 everywhere
 
2013-06-27 08:55:04 PM  

seanpg71: Slackfumasta: Windows 8 on a desktop machine was finally enough to push me, a PC/Microsoft user since DOS 3.3, to this a few months ago when it was time to purchase a new laptop:

[www.ctc-computer.com image 500x500]

My first ever Mac.  I haven't looked back since, and my next desktop purchase will be a Mac as well.

At this point, I will only keep Windows around to run games.  If I wanted to use a tablet OS, I'd buy a farking tablet.

So now you use an OS with no start button.  And to start a program you either click one of a bunch of programs pinned to a bar on the bottom of your desktop, or tediusly scroll through a list of all installed applications or type the name into spotlight?

Man, you sure dodged a bullet there. :p


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-06-27 09:01:14 PM  
Some 24-hours in now, and I'm really liking the changes in the 8.1 preview on my RT.

Once the RTM is released, I think I'll rollout an upgrade from Windows 7 to 8.1 office wide for our users. With the inclusion of the start button and boot to desktop option, it should placate the huddled masses.
 
2013-06-27 09:27:43 PM  
Consider your average WoW player, manhandling their monitor with their Cheetos and Mountain Dew stained fingers.

Yeah, touch screen bad for this.

/I've had to help 2 folks with a downgrade install back to Win7
//Stop fixing what ain't farking broken, Microsoft!
 
2013-06-27 09:31:09 PM  

gingerjet: Intrepid00: You are so full of shiat. Windows 8 was snappy as hell over 7. Metro was okay but 8.1 makes it snappy. I bet you have a raid or some shiat with shiatty drivers. I saw that all the time and still do and doesn't matter what OS if the drivers are shiat.

Windows 8 response time is slower then 7.  Anyone who says otherwise is full of shiat.  7 was a rock solid OS - why they had to ruin it by throwing on the cluttered mess of Metro is beyond me.

/have two desktops at home - the older one is running 7 and the new (with a faster CPU, memory, and faster SSD drive) one is running 8 - seriously thinking of reformatting the thing back to 7 because of the annoyance of using 8


Yes, random anecdotal accounts are what scientists use to proving a theory.
 
2013-06-27 09:51:42 PM  
My big opportunity to move away from Windows came when I stopped playing high-spec games on my PC, not that that's even going to be relevant to people's decisions in a few years. I'm now at the point where I'll care almost as little about Windows version numbers as I do about Mac OSX version numbers.
 
2013-06-27 09:53:25 PM  

BumpInTheNight: Start button is restored?  Good.
Start button leads to Metro?  Now you're just farking trolling us, F'off you gits.


That's what I thought at first too, but I saw a video that you can configure the start button to go to a list of all your programs, which you can then easily sort in a variety of ways. That's even better than a start menu in my opinion.
 
2013-06-27 10:10:09 PM  

malaktaus: meanmutton: Just like with XBox -- everything people complained about, they're changing, but you'll still have people biatch and complain.

I don't know if you're a paid shill for Microsoft or if you're just an idiot. The Xbox One is still $100 more than the PS4 while being significantly less powerful. Microsoft changed some of those aspects of their product that were an actual outrage, after a massive amount of negative publicity and after repeatedly insulting their customers, but they absolutely did not fix everything people were complaining about. And honestly, given their recent track record, why would you willingly deal with this company if you can easily avoid it?


There's nothing recent about it. Microsoft has been a chronic Fark-up since the early 90's.

It's always completely fascinated me why consumers put up with their shiat (and have finally started noticing)
 
2013-06-27 10:15:40 PM  

skazzytl: BumpInTheNight: Start button is restored?  Good.
Start button leads to Metro?  Now you're just farking trolling us, F'off you gits.

That's what I thought at first too, but I saw a video that you can configure the start button to go to a list of all your programs, which you can then easily sort in a variety of ways. That's even better than a start menu in my opinion.


You mean the same way I created my own program list in the Start folder? How absolutely innovative.
 
2013-06-27 10:24:07 PM  

skozlaw: Metro isn't the problem, per se, and the Start menu was never exactly the holy grail of user interface design, but when you take a feature away and ask people to relearn a fundamental part of their experiences, you need to make sure whatever replaces it is better and worth their time and Metro just isn't.


This.

You don't hear anyone complaining about the new file copy dialog boxes, because they are better than the old ones.

People don't fear change. They get pissed off when you force change for the worse on them.

When you are using a real computer with a mouse and keyboard, Metro sucks.
 
2013-06-27 10:32:08 PM  

PowerSlacker: Also, I love how the return of the Start menu in 8.1 is really just another middle finger to Desktop users rather than a restoration of what they actually want.


It's not that Microsoft doesn't know everyone wants the start menu back, it's just that FARK YOU!

Why would anyone continue to support a company that is so hostile to what it's customers have so clearly told them they want?
 
2013-06-27 10:45:56 PM  
Windows 8 is decent for tablets. Retarded for desktops.

The 180 hacking a psudo-start button is a half-assed fix at best. Under the hood, its a nice OS, but the dipshiat way they implemented it and forced it on users....its almost like they WANTED it to crater, so they could use it as an excuse to pull an 'OS-X' dumping of all the legacy shiat and start ov...

...

...


*peers around at all the XP boxes, 2000/2003 servers, ancient 8&16 bit programmed hardware/printers/accessories...

...

Heeeeey, waitasec....
 
2013-06-27 10:49:37 PM  
I'd say they should call it Windows 7.9, but when has Microsoft ever given a product a lower number than its predecessor?
 
2013-06-27 10:57:03 PM  

poot_rootbeer: I'd say they should call it Windows 7.9, but when has Microsoft ever given a product a lower number than its predecessor?


Everything after Windows 2000?
 
2013-06-27 11:08:50 PM  

gingerjet: Intrepid00: You are so full of shiat. Windows 8 was snappy as hell over 7. Metro was okay but 8.1 makes it snappy. I bet you have a raid or some shiat with shiatty drivers. I saw that all the time and still do and doesn't matter what OS if the drivers are shiat.

Windows 8 response time is slower then 7.  Anyone who says otherwise is full of shiat.  7 was a rock solid OS - why they had to ruin it by throwing on the cluttered mess of Metro is beyond me.

/have two desktops at home - the older one is running 7 and the new (with a faster CPU, memory, and faster SSD drive) one is running 8 - seriously thinking of reformatting the thing back to 7 because of the annoyance of using 8


It probably is because the Start Screen is basically a whole separate OS environment with its own apps to run. Maybe someone who knows the specifics better can correct me, but it seems like it is basically a virtual machine running on top of the regular Windows OS where the desktop apps live. This is likely why the Surface RT runs Metro apps like dogshiat compared to Android tabs like the Nexus 7, which have the same Tegra 3 processor and almost the same screen res. Seriously, I tried loading the same Fark thread on a Surface RT at Staples, as well as the Galaxy Note 8.0 and the Nexus 7, and it took 120 seconds for Metro IE10 to fully load the page compared to 40 seconds for the Android tabs rubbing off the same WiFi.
 
2013-06-27 11:10:02 PM  
Running off the same WiFi.
 
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