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2013-06-27 09:59:32 AM
bigotry/racisim is taking some hard knocks these past couple of days.
 
2013-06-27 10:00:55 AM

Headso: bigotry/racisim is taking some hard knocks these past couple of days.


Hey now, the Supreme Court did what it could for the racists.
 
2013-06-27 10:15:39 AM
Who watches the watchmen?... Oh, those guys.
 
2013-06-27 10:23:04 AM
New York City council votes to have itself profiled, beaten with nightsticks, tasered, and then arrested for resisting arrest.

FIFY
 
2013-06-27 10:25:59 AM
Good.

Bloomberg can EABOD.
 
2013-06-27 10:26:14 AM

Reverend J: Who watches the watchmen?... Oh, those guys.


But who watches those who watch the watchmen?
 
2013-06-27 10:26:23 AM

Teaser: New York City council votes to have itself profiled, beaten with nightsticks, tasered, and then arrested for resisting arrest.

FIFY


You know, if black and brown men would stop carrying around pot and guns, there would be no point to the stop & Frisk program.

/just sayin'
 
2013-06-27 10:26:44 AM

LordJiro: Reverend J: Who watches the watchmen?... Oh, those guys.

But who watches those who watch the watchmen?


watchwatchmen
 
2013-06-27 10:28:00 AM

rubi_con_man: Teaser: New York City council votes to have itself profiled, beaten with nightsticks, tasered, and then arrested for resisting arrest.

FIFY

You know, if black and brown men would stop carrying around pot and guns, there would be no point to the stop & Frisk program.

/just sayin'


Dey see me trollin'
 
2013-06-27 10:30:32 AM
Wow...  It might just be a scattered bunch of coincidences, but it are reasonable people starting to fight back against governmental derpiness?
 
2013-06-27 10:30:33 AM
Arrested?  They're trying to make cops accountable, they'll be lucky to not fall down an elevator shaft onto a pile of bullets.
 
2013-06-27 10:33:51 AM
But, doesn't racial profiling work?
 
2013-06-27 10:41:01 AM

The_EliteOne: But, doesn't racial profiling work?


Yes, it does... it works even on white people.  Because there are lots of people who are doing something illegal (like carrying drugs, or driving without a license, or carrying a gun) while minding their own business.  That's why racial profiling works, it's because it would work on every race better than if the police followed the constitution.
 
2013-06-27 10:43:53 AM
Both passed with enough votes to override expected vetoes, marking an inflection point in the public debate and power dynamics that have set the balance between prioritizing safety and protecting civil liberties here.

It would be nice if Obama thought about doing some of that.

There, that ought to earn me a prominent place in some NSA threat database.
 
2013-06-27 10:52:47 AM

Mercutio74: The_EliteOne: But, doesn't racial profiling work?

Yes, it does... it works even on white people.  Because there are lots of people who are doing something illegal (like carrying drugs, or driving without a license, or carrying a gun) while minding their own business.  That's why racial profiling works, it's because it would work on every race better than if the police followed the constitution.


Well then why don't the police just kinda do it quietly and secretly? Like some sort of...secret police?
 
2013-06-27 10:53:05 AM

LordJiro: Reverend J: Who watches the watchmen?... Oh, those guys.

But who watches those who watch the watchmen?


I'm pretty sure it's the men who stare at goats.
 
2013-06-27 10:55:21 AM

Marcus Aurelius: LordJiro: Reverend J: Who watches the watchmen?... Oh, those guys.

But who watches those who watch the watchmen?

I'm pretty sure it's the men who stare at goats.


Great, so now the farking goats will go unwatched.  I wonder if the little known "Men Who Stare at Sloths" can pull double duty... it's not like the Sloths are running away in a hurry.
 
2013-06-27 11:11:29 AM

The_EliteOne: But, doesn't racial profiling work?


Black people are arrested for possession at like 9 times the rate of white people, even though use rates are similar. So yeah, I think it's working just like it's supposed to.
 
2013-06-27 11:18:56 AM
Busted link.  Awesome.
 
2013-06-27 11:34:46 AM
Ok now it's not busted.  Yay Faux news!
 
2013-06-27 12:12:37 PM
Does Racial Profiling work?

Depends on whether you understand the concept of a "self-fufiling prophecy" or not.  OUr Country is grown so thick with laws and regulations most of us are violating some of them at all times.  However because of a system of begnin neglect we do think we live in a police state.  However when the police DO want to arrest you, it means they can always find something, even if that is the utterly amorphous and frankly unproveable crime of "disorderly conduct"

Now, taking NYC's program specifically the answer is it is actually a gigantic FAIL:

FACT: No research has ever proven the effectiveness of New York City's stop-and-frisk regime, and the small number of arrests, summonses, and guns recovered demonstrates that the practice is ineffective. Crime data also do not support the claim that New York City is safer because of the practice. While violent crimes fell 29 percent in New York City from 2001 to 2010, other large cities experienced larger violent crime declines without relying on stop and frisk abuses: 59 percent in Los Angeles, 56 percent in New Orleans, 49 percent in Dallas, and 37 percent in Baltimore.

Myth #3: Stop-and-Frisk gets guns off the street and, therefore, prevents murders.
"There's no denying that stops take guns off the street and save lives." -Ray Kelly
FACT: Guns are found in less than 0.2 percent of stops. That is an unbelievably poor yield rate for such an intrusive, wasteful and humiliating police action. Yet, stop-and-frisk has increased more than 600 percent under Bloomberg and Kelly. And the rate of finding guns is worsening as the NYPD stops more innocent people each year.


Myth #4: Stop-and-Frisk is not discriminatory.
" lacks made up 53 percent of the stop subjects and were 66 percent of the violent crime suspects in 2011... For Hispanics, 34 percent were stop subjects and 26 percent were violent crime suspects." - NYPD Spokesperson Paul Browne
FACT: Comparing police stops to violent crime suspects is bad math. Only 11 percent of stops in 2011 were based on a description of a violent crime suspect. On the other hand, from 2002 to 2011, black and Latino residents made up close to 90 percent of people stopped, and about 88 percent of stops - more than 3.8 million - were of innocent New Yorkers. Even in neighborhoods that are predominantly white, black and Latino New Yorkers face the disproportionate brunt. For example, in 2011, Black and Latino New Yorkers made up 24 percent of the population in Park Slope, but 79 percent of stops. This, on its face, is discriminatory

Courtesy of the ACLU
 
2013-06-27 12:49:28 PM

LordJiro: Reverend J: Who watches the watchmen?... Oh, those guys.

But who watches those who watch the watchmen?


Someone's watching me enjoy those scenes with Malin Ackerman getting nekkid now? Do they watch me when I'm watching scenes where she's getting nekkid in other movies and shows too?
 
2013-06-27 12:51:03 PM

Mercutio74: The_EliteOne: But, doesn't racial profiling work?

Yes, it does... it works even on white people.  Because there are lots of people who are doing something illegal (like carrying drugs, or driving without a license, or carrying a gun) while minding their own business.  That's why racial profiling works, it's because it would work on every race better than if the police followed the constitution.


This is where I point out that not all profiling need be racially based, and actually other kinds of profiling works a lot better.

Sorry for giving a minimally snappy response
 
2013-06-27 12:59:23 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: This is where I point out that not all profiling need be racially based, and actually other kinds of profiling works a lot better.


That's fair enough, but my point was that a society based on "Papers, please!" will catch more "criminals" than a society that values civil rights... however the latter is far more pleasant to live in.
 
2013-06-27 04:27:57 PM

Magorn: No research has ever proven the effectiveness of New York City's stop-and-frisk regime


Yeah, but it's good for sticking it to the dopers, so it has my support.
 
2013-06-27 05:45:24 PM
I remember the Civil Rights era. Things are not going to be pretty, and they shouldn't be. We will not allow the country to move backward.
 
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