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(Major League Baseball)   And the sun became became as dark as sackcloth, and the moon became as red as a cardinal, and the Pittsburgh Pirates ascended to 48-30 and a share of first place in the NL Central   (mlb.mlb.com) divider line 84
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2013-06-27 07:24:43 AM
The Pirates are currently tied with the Cards for the best record in all of baseball.

/ it's been decades since anyone could say that.
// hopin they don't fold like a house of cards.... Again
///go bucs
 
2013-06-27 07:40:22 AM
Need to pad that record now. Last year's 16 over .500 wasn't anywhere good enough to counterbalance the August collapse.
 
2013-06-27 07:49:56 AM
This is not a repeat from 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009...
 
2013-06-27 08:00:15 AM
It's like the Flight of Icarus, if Icarus was swimming around a cesspool and got too close to the solid waste processing intake.
 
2013-06-27 08:05:08 AM
Fans in St. louis and Cincinnatti are still watching each other's mark and paying no attention to Pittsburgh. We know how this story ends. I've got no hate for the Pirates but they'll have to finish above .500 one time before they can be taken seriously in June of any season. Or even August for that matter.
 
2013-06-27 08:11:17 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-06-27 08:11:52 AM
meanwhile every team in the NL West is losing every game in sight
 
2013-06-27 08:13:24 AM

the1hatman: Fans in St. louis and Cincinnatti are still watching each other's mark and paying no attention to Pittsburgh. We know how this story ends. I've got no hate for the Pirates but they'll have to finish above .500 one time before they can be taken seriously in June of any season. Or even August for that matter.


Tell that to these guys

www.jerrygrote.com
 
2013-06-27 08:17:15 AM
They'll blow it.  They always do.  The streak will survive until it is old enough to collect social security.
 
2013-06-27 08:34:43 AM
Even as a Cardinals fan, I am happy to see this.  I like Pittsburgh and they have suffered for a long time with bad management and bad decisions.  With that being said, they can have the wild card spot if they want, just keep Cincy out of the playoffs.

The only thing I could see holding up Pittsburgh's progress is that their offense is still heavily dependant on a guy (Alvarez) who is on a hot streak now but is one bad game away from a 3 for 44 run, based on his past history.  Their starting pitching is strong but they also need some bullpen help for the long season.  I don't know much about thier minor league system but do they have the prospects to trade for what they need because you know the Cards and Cincy do.
 
2013-06-27 08:43:38 AM
bluenote13Even as a Cardinals fan, I am happy to see this.  I like Pittsburgh and they have suffered for a long time with bad management and bad decisions.  With that being said, they can have the wild card spot if they want, just keep Cincy out of the playoffs.

My sentiments exactly.Well said.
 
2013-06-27 08:46:47 AM
Good on the Pirates, but I doubt they'll be able to hold that lead through the end of the season.

Also, obligatory:

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-27 08:50:44 AM

bluenote13: Even as a Cardinals fan, I am happy to see this. I like Pittsburgh and they have suffered for a long time with bad management and bad decisions. With that being said, they can have the wild card spot if they want, just keep Cincy out of the playoffs.


Shiat, we don't care about the playoffs. We just want a winning season.
 
2013-06-27 08:51:37 AM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: bluenote13: Even as a Cardinals fan, I am happy to see this. I like Pittsburgh and they have suffered for a long time with bad management and bad decisions. With that being said, they can have the wild card spot if they want, just keep Cincy out of the playoffs.

Shiat, we don't care about the playoffs. We just want a winning season.


Well here's hoping for a strike in the next two weeks.
 
2013-06-27 08:56:51 AM
How long until they remember that they are the pirates and blow it.
/hoping it doesn't happen
//go bucs
///screw Jerry meals
 
2013-06-27 08:58:21 AM

UNC_Samurai: Good on the Pirates, but I doubt they'll be able to hold that lead through the end of the season.

Also, obligatory:

[i.imgur.com image 641x387]


Farking Barry Bonds... I mean, who CAN'T throw out Sid Bream trying to score from second?

I'd love to get a jersey of a player from that era. The Bucs do have those quasi-retro (can 1987 really be considered "retro"?) 3rd uni's this year.... but I can't justify spending $250 on a Doug Drabek or Andy Van Slyke jersey
 
2013-06-27 09:10:46 AM
The last time they were 18 games over 500 was 1979
 
2013-06-27 09:11:50 AM
Has the all-star break happened yet?
Then the Pirates have not yet begun to suck.
 
2013-06-27 09:13:41 AM
suckmytrend.com
 
2013-06-27 09:16:45 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's like the Flight of Icarus, if Icarus was swimming around a cesspool and got too close to the solid waste processing intake.


HAHAHAHAaaaawwwww

// if we remade Major League, it'd have to be about the Pirates
// or the Royals...
 
2013-06-27 09:21:03 AM

Justice By Zig: Has the all-star break happened yet?
Then the Pirates have not yet begun to suck.


Yep. This is the test. If they can keep it up after the all-star break, maybe there's a chance. The Pirates have gotten good at having a decent first half of the season.
 
2013-06-27 09:21:24 AM

Dr Dreidel: Mr. Coffee Nerves: It's like the Flight of Icarus, if Icarus was swimming around a cesspool and got too close to the solid waste processing intake.

HAHAHAHAaaaawwwww

// if we remade Major League, it'd have to be about the Pirates
// or the Royals...


It'd probably be the Pirates. The real descent into the abyss was caused by the front office worrying more about making a profit than producing a winning team -- and they did. The Pirates overspent to get the success in the early 90's, then had to cut costs (and players) to make up the difference. That's one reason why they couldn't resign Sid Bream and let him go as a free agent to the Braves. However, the front office then forgot that a winning team was important because they figured out how to make a profit without winning.

That's also why you never heard any rumors of the Pirates folding or moving during their darkest years.
 
2013-06-27 09:25:35 AM
Omg, is it daily-Pirates-threads-with-Revelations-quotes season again?

/a tradition unlike any other
 
2013-06-27 09:27:08 AM

WhackingDay: Justice By Zig: Has the all-star break happened yet?
Then the Pirates have not yet begun to suck.

Yep. This is the test. If they can keep it up after the all-star break, maybe there's a chance. The Pirates have gotten good at having a decent first half of the season.


Which is an improvement over the typical "season is over by the middle of May" run they had for the early 15 years prior to the most recent management

/If they send Cole back to the minors, the stadium will burn
 
2013-06-27 09:36:52 AM
I understand the joke in the headline but hasn't this happened for like the past 2-3 years now?
 
2013-06-27 09:37:40 AM
Lost Thought 00:

/If they send Cole back to the minors, the stadium will burn

Yeah, I love how the Pittsburgh media is trying to get ahead of this possibility with all the stories of how it just makes good business sense. Fark that. You know what else makes good business sense? Seeing triple digits on the scoreboard speed monitor.
 
2013-06-27 09:41:12 AM

ElwoodCuse: The last time they were 18 games over 500 was 1979


According to what I heard yesterday, we were 18 games over in 1992.

Also the last year we did anything respectable.

Playoffs would be awesome, but really Pittsburgh fans just want a winning season.  That's it.
 
2013-06-27 09:48:26 AM
48-30? So that's what like 1/3 of the season?

So basically the same as starting 3-2 in the NFL. Yeah I'm not going to get too excited yet.
 
2013-06-27 09:49:19 AM

LCat: According to what I heard yesterday, we were 18 games over in 1992.


No, that was 16 games over .500, a mark they matched last year at their peak. Not that 2 games make a huge difference. And the Pirates have been beating up on below average teams real well the last week or two, but at least we didn't just lose to the Astros
 
2013-06-27 09:50:24 AM
quick.  No one's looking.  Put your Steelers and Penguins shirts in the laundry and put on your Pirates shirt.  That's right.  You were wearing it all along.
 
2013-06-27 09:52:01 AM

js34603: 48-30? So that's what like 1/3 of the season?

So basically the same as starting 3-2 in the NFL. Yeah I'm not going to get too excited yet.


equivalent to starting 4.73-2.96, or roughly 5-3 over the first 8
 
2013-06-27 09:52:35 AM

js34603: 48-30? So that's what like 1/3 of the season?

So basically the same as starting 3-2 in the NFL. Yeah I'm not going to get too excited yet.


Actually, it's almost half the season. The Pirates will be at the halfway mark at the end of this weekend's series against the Brewers.
 
2013-06-27 09:54:27 AM

js34603: 48-30? So that's what like 1/3 of the season?



Actually that's just about half the season.

I also feel with a little help in the pen an maybe another reliable starter they're ready to take another step toward the playoffs. I think Marte is the real deal and will only continue to get better.
 
2013-06-27 09:58:16 AM

Donnchadha: This is not a repeat from 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009...


lol exactly. after the allstar break its down hill from there.
i would like to see some of these teams finally do really good. it sucks seeing teams suck for so long.
sucks for the players and the fans.
 
2013-06-27 10:01:28 AM

bluenote13: The only thing I could see holding up Pittsburgh's progress is that their offense is still heavily dependant on a guy (Alvarez) who is on a hot streak now but is one bad game away from a 3 for 44 run, based on his past history. Their starting pitching is strong but they also need some bullpen help for the long season. I don't know much about thier minor league system but do they have the prospects to trade for what they need because you know the Cards and Cincy do.


AVG/OBP/SLG of various Pirates starters:
Starter A: .250/.347/.426 (OPS+ 119)
Starter B: .245/.354/.450 (OPS+ 127)
Starter C: .255/.363/.400 (OPS+ 117)
Starter D: .242/.307/.512 (OPS+ 128)
Starter E: .282/.340/.453 (OPS+ 123)
Starter F: .287/.354/.450 (OPS+ 127)
Starter G: .286/.328/.460 (OPS+ 121)

Please pick out Pedro Alvarez from among Jordy Mercer, Neil Walker, Starling Marte, Andrew McCutchen, Gaby Sanchez, and Russell Martin.

The Pirates are unusual this season precisely because they're essentially fielding a lineup with 7 identical batters, plus some dude in RF.  It's an endless stream of guys with a .340 OBP and 8 HR.

Their main strengths have little to do with hitting:
1) They have the best ERA (3.22) in baseball.  (This despite allowing Jonathan Sanchez to pitch.  And Jose Contreras.  In 2013.)
2) Part of #1 is that they play the best team defense in baseball, converting 73.4% of batted balls into outs.

Their main weaknesses:
1) Pitching staff looks like smoke and mirrors.  Few of these guys have any history of sustained success.  They're being propped up by the defense, but I don't think this level of excellence will last.
2) Zero depth on offense.  Their backup everything is terrible at hitting.  Like, Brandon Inge and Clint Barmes terrible.  If anyone gets hurt, they're replaced by a homeless person.
 
2013-06-27 10:10:29 AM

js34603: 48-30? So that's what like 1/3 of the season?

So basically the same as starting 3-2 in the NFL. Yeah I'm not going to get too excited yet.


1/2 the season. 78/162. I know, You were told there would be no math.

So more like a 5-3 start.
 
2013-06-27 10:13:13 AM

JohnnyCanuck: js34603: 48-30? So that's what like 1/3 of the season?


Actually that's just about half the season.

I also feel with a little help in the pen an maybe another reliable starter they're ready to take another step toward the playoffs. I think Marte is the real deal and will only continue to get better.


Yes, they'll get by with a little help from the pen.
Mmm, gonna try with a little help from the pen.
 
2013-06-27 10:16:03 AM

Donnchadha: UNC_Samurai: Good on the Pirates, but I doubt they'll be able to hold that lead through the end of the season.

Also, obligatory:

[i.imgur.com image 641x387]

Farking Barry Bonds... I mean, who CAN'T throw out Sid Bream trying to score from second?

I'd love to get a jersey of a player from that era. The Bucs do have those quasi-retro (can 1987 really be considered "retro"?) 3rd uni's this year.... but I can't justify spending $250 on a Doug Drabek or Andy Van Slyke jersey


Those are 1971 jerseys they wear at home on Sunday so it wouldn't be Van Slyke or Drabek but Clemente and Stargell.

Not too worried about the offense - hitting is down throughout the league - but if they have to package Tallion, Sanchez, and Polanco to get Giancarlo Stanton from the Marlins they need to jump on that.

You stock the minors not only for a pipeline to the majors put also for trade bait and the time is now.
 
2013-06-27 10:19:04 AM

dartben: js34603: 48-30? So that's what like 1/3 of the season?

So basically the same as starting 3-2 in the NFL. Yeah I'm not going to get too excited yet.

1/2 the season. 78/162. I know, You were told there would be no math.

So more like a 5-3 start.


5-3 / 10-6 gets you into the NFL playoffs most years.  The math translates to 99.7 wins (or am I f'ing up the math, too?)
Maybe they can't sustain that, but going .500 (42 and 42) the rest of the way is a 90 win team.  And with the playoff format this year it's not out of the question to have an 85 win team in the playoffs.
 
2013-06-27 10:21:25 AM
As an A's fan I noticed that our interleague schedule includes three-game series with Pittsburgh and Saint Louis, and two two-game series with Cincinnati. Not to mention a four-game home/away series with the World Champion San Francisco Giants. The only non-elite National League teams we have scheduled is a three-game series with the Cubs.

So far, we're 5-1 against the Giants and the Reds, with Saint Louis coming to town tomorrow. I wonder if any other team, National or American League has such a tough interleague schedule.

/good luck Pittsburgh, I hope you win 'em all
//except against us
 
2013-06-27 10:22:41 AM

chimp_ninja: bluenote13: The only thing I could see holding up Pittsburgh's progress is that their offense is still heavily dependant on a guy (Alvarez) who is on a hot streak now but is one bad game away from a 3 for 44 run, based on his past history. Their starting pitching is strong but they also need some bullpen help for the long season. I don't know much about thier minor league system but do they have the prospects to trade for what they need because you know the Cards and Cincy do.

AVG/OBP/SLG of various Pirates starters:
Starter A: .250/.347/.426 (OPS+ 119)
Starter B: .245/.354/.450 (OPS+ 127)
Starter C: .255/.363/.400 (OPS+ 117)
Starter D: .242/.307/.512 (OPS+ 128)
Starter E: .282/.340/.453 (OPS+ 123)
Starter F: .287/.354/.450 (OPS+ 127)
Starter G: .286/.328/.460 (OPS+ 121)

Please pick out Pedro Alvarez from among Jordy Mercer, Neil Walker, Starling Marte, Andrew McCutchen, Gaby Sanchez, and Russell Martin.

The Pirates are unusual this season precisely because they're essentially fielding a lineup with 7 identical batters, plus some dude in RF.  It's an endless stream of guys with a .340 OBP and 8 HR.

Their main strengths have little to do with hitting:
1) They have the best ERA (3.22) in baseball.  (This despite allowing Jonathan Sanchez to pitch.  And Jose Contreras.  In 2013.)
2) Part of #1 is that they play the best team defense in baseball, converting 73.4% of batted balls into outs.

Their main weaknesses:
1) Pitching staff looks like smoke and mirrors.  Few of these guys have any history of sustained success.  They're being propped up by the defense, but I don't think this level of excellence will last.
2) Zero depth on offense.  Their backup everything is terrible at hitting.  Like, Brandon Inge and Clint Barmes terrible.  If anyone gets hurt, they're replaced by a homeless person.


I am not saying Alvarez is hitting 350 but he has carried them this month with his 9 HR and 22 RBI not to mention his .321/.400/.714 splits in June.  While overall the numbers are not great, one hot month can carry a team like now.
 
2013-06-27 10:25:19 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: As an A's fan I noticed that our interleague schedule includes three-game series with Pittsburgh and Saint Louis, and two two-game series with Cincinnati. Not to mention a four-game home/away series with the World Champion San Francisco Giants. The only non-elite National League teams we have scheduled is a three-game series with the Cubs.

So far, we're 5-1 against the Giants and the Reds, with Saint Louis coming to town tomorrow. I wonder if any other team, National or American League has such a tough interleague schedule.

/good luck Pittsburgh, I hope you win 'em all
//except against us


You deserve a tough interleague schedule since you get to play the Astros for 15 games a year.
 
2013-06-27 10:25:49 AM
Baseball isn't football.

A team sitting at 5-3 would not have the best record in the NFL.  48-30 is much more like being 7-1 or 8-0.
 
2013-06-27 10:28:29 AM

Nana's Vibrator: 5-3 / 10-6 gets you into the NFL playoffs most years. The math translates to 99.7 wins (or am I f'ing up the math, too?)
Maybe they can't sustain that, but going .500 (42 and 42) the rest of the way is a 90 win team. And with the playoff format this year it's not out of the question to have an 85 win team in the playoffs.


The NFL playoffs are a crazy analogy.  More teams get in, and crazy things happen in such a small number of games.  Also, there's a wider spread of outcomes: It's common for an NFL team to end up 14-2 (87.5% wins).  A grand total of six MLB teams have won 70% of their games since the dead-ball era.

And yes, the Pirates are on pace for 100 wins.  If they did that, and it's a big if given the smoke and mirrors I mentioned above, they absolutely make the playoffs.  One 100-win team (1993 Giants) has missed the playoffs since the invention of the LCS, and zero teams have missed it since the invention of the wild card.  With two wild cards, 90 wins is plenty.
 
2013-06-27 10:28:38 AM

Nana's Vibrator: quick.  No one's looking.  Put your Steelers and Penguins shirts in the laundry and put on your Pirates shirt.  That's right.  You were wearing it all along.


Fark you, I've been wearing my Pirates cap all along. It comes back into the rotation when pitchers and catchers report.

/special fark you to UNV Samauri
//is it really necessary every thread?
 
2013-06-27 10:30:13 AM

dartben: js34603: 48-30? So that's what like 1/3 of the season?

So basically the same as starting 3-2 in the NFL. Yeah I'm not going to get too excited yet.

1/2 the season. 78/162. I know, You were told there would be no math.

So more like a 5-3 start.


Yes, but in a year when only a few other teams are also 5-3.
 
2013-06-27 10:31:56 AM

bluenote13: I am not saying Alvarez is hitting 350 but he has carried them this month with his 9 HR and 22 RBI not to mention his .321/.400/.714 splits in June.


Yup.  And he didn't hit in May, and the Pirates went 19-9.  They're one of the least-dependent teams on any one hitter, precisely because they have had roughly seven identical guys and no offensive "star".
 
2013-06-27 10:33:45 AM

bluenote13: You deserve a tough interleague schedule since you get to play the Astros for 15 games a year.


Heh, I was waiting for someone to mention that. However, our division rival Texas plays Houston just as many times, and has an easier interleague schedule. Oh well, line 'em up, and we'll knock 'em down.
 
2013-06-27 10:39:22 AM

Agent Nick Fury: Those are 1971 jerseys they wear at home on Sunday so it wouldn't be Van Slyke or Drabek but Clemente and Stargell.


dyn2.heritagestatic.com

I guess the sleeve stripes are different -- black-gold-black instead of black-white-gold
 
2013-06-27 10:48:07 AM

Donnchadha: UNC_Samurai: Good on the Pirates, but I doubt they'll be able to hold that lead through the end of the season.

Also, obligatory:

[i.imgur.com image 641x387]

Farking Barry Bonds... I mean, who CAN'T throw out Sid Bream trying to score from second?

I'd love to get a jersey of a player from that era. The Bucs do have those quasi-retro (can 1987 really be considered "retro"?) 3rd uni's this year.... but I can't justify spending $250 on a Doug Drabek or Andy Van Slyke jersey


I had a chance to buy a game-used Andy Van Slyke Carolina Mudcats jersey a couple of months after the season.  The guy was a bit of a scheister, though - he wanted almost $100 for it.  I was 13 at the time, and was a lot of money.

/I ended up spending it on RAM for a new computer - 4 one-megabyte RAM chips that cost me $150
 
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