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(Daily Mail)   As if being a Starbucks barista doesn't suck enough that you are one to begin with, now you must share your tips with shift supervisors   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 161
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2013-06-27 12:24:05 AM  
I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?
 
2013-06-27 12:48:59 AM  

Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?


You don't have to.  No one is making you.
 
2013-06-27 01:00:10 AM  
How much do baristas make in Manhattan, where do they live, and at the end of a shift, how much will they have earned net, minus their travel and any meal costs?
 
2013-06-27 03:27:44 AM  
My friends absolutely loved being Baristas at Starbucks.  Never really heard people who actually worked there complain other than the fact that it was possible to make more money with a real corporate job.  For anyone doing part time worked they've always talked about loving it.

/sorry about being honest.
 
2013-06-27 03:30:18 AM  

tchau: My friends absolutely loved being Baristas at Starbucks.  Never really heard people who actually worked there complain other than the fact that it was possible to make more money with a real corporate job.  For anyone doing part time worked they've always talked about loving it.

/sorry about being honest.


I've seen clearly disgruntled people working at Starbucks, but only the locations that are in really bad neighborhoods, etc. They're pretty good about hiring people that understand what they're getting into. For everyone else, there's McDonald's.
 
2013-06-27 03:31:19 AM  

Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?


Starbucks pays above the minimum wage. And the "shift supervisor" isn't some overpaid manager type.  They are more akin to "lead person" and typically don't make much more than the baristas.  Sharing tips is the right thing to do.
 
2013-06-27 03:34:08 AM  
Something like seven years ago, a friend who worked at Starbucks told me they started at $9/hr as baristas and had at least the option of signing up for health care through the company. From what I read earlier about this, shift supervisors still do the regular barista stuff but just have more responsibility overall, so it does kinda make sense to me that they'd all split the tips. Sounded like a pretty sweet gig if you could stand getting up super early, making coffee all day, and being fake-cheerful to pre-coffee jerks. Sadly that kind of thing is not my bag.

Managers though, no, they should get back in the back office where they belong...

/not a morning person
//unless there's live ammo involved
 
2013-06-27 03:34:13 AM  
This headline seems to focus unnecessarily on the negative. What about the shift supervisors that just suddenly got a raise?
 
2013-06-27 03:34:35 AM  
Didn't read TFA, but sharing tips is not unusual. I doubt the shift supervisors are receiving stock options, and there aren't a lot of tips at Starbucks, so I think spreading a meager amount of joy is fair play.
 
2013-06-27 03:37:58 AM  
I don't get it - didn't they already do this? IIRC there was an unsuccessful class action suit a number of years ago claiming that shift supervisors shouldn't have been allowed to take tips from employees, since they were considered agents of the management or something. Maybe it was just a California thing for all I know.
 
2013-06-27 03:41:30 AM  
You know what?  Aside from the fact that Starbucks mostly serves swill, this just gives me all the more reason to avoid doing business with them.
 
2013-06-27 03:42:24 AM  

tchau: My friends absolutely loved being Baristas at Starbucks. Never really heard people who actually worked there complain other than the fact that it was possible to make more money with a real corporate job. For anyone doing part time worked they've always talked about loving it.

/sorry about being honest.


Working at Starbucks isn't a real corporate job? Would be kind of the definition of "real corporate job," I'd think anyway.
 
2013-06-27 03:42:55 AM  

cyberspacedout: I don't get it - didn't they already do this? IIRC there was an unsuccessful class action suit a number of years ago claiming that shift supervisors shouldn't have been allowed to take tips from employees, since they were considered agents of the management or something. Maybe it was just a California thing for all I know.


What the article never gets around to saying is that yes, this is already the way it works.
 
2013-06-27 03:43:11 AM  
I used to work at a Starbucks. I'd do it again in a minute; it was a great job and surprisingly fun.

Also, in FL, shift supervisors always shared tips. Managers don't because they're salaried. Not sure why it was different in NY anyway. What a farked up state.
 
2013-06-27 03:43:13 AM  
People tip at starbucks?  Doesn't that violate the general rules of tipping?  Counter service = no tip unless you're making unusual requests.  That's like tipping at McDonald's.  The only exception I know to the counter service rule is eating pizza at a pizza parlor for some reason.

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2013-06-27 03:45:00 AM  
I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.
 
2013-06-27 03:46:34 AM  

Alexei Novikov: I used to work at a Starbucks. I'd do it again in a minute; it was a great job and surprisingly fun.

Also, in FL, shift supervisors always shared tips. Managers don't because they're salaried. Not sure why it was different in NY anyway. What a farked up state.


It wasn't different, there was a lawsuit to try and make it so supervisors didn't get tips. The court just stated the obvious that since a supervisor's job is 95% the same as a barista, they should get to share in the tip pool.
 
2013-06-27 03:47:15 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.


That makes sense. But the people rolling up and ordering a $20 fru fru girly drink that takes 5 minutes to make had better farking tip for the extra work and focus involved.
 
2013-06-27 03:49:25 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.


You want yours without spit, don't you?
 
2013-06-27 03:49:36 AM  

ghostfacekillahrabbit: tchau: My friends absolutely loved being Baristas at Starbucks. Never really heard people who actually worked there complain other than the fact that it was possible to make more money with a real corporate job. For anyone doing part time worked they've always talked about loving it.

/sorry about being honest.

Working at Starbucks isn't a real corporate job? Would be kind of the definition of "real corporate job," I'd think anyway.


Sorry you are right there.  My friends who worked at starbucks making 9 an hour were happy, but now they are making Corporate salaries at Google and it makes more sense making $45~$60 an hour.  They never complained though about starbucks.  Was great for them at their age (18), and a good stepping stone to their current corporate life.

I had to leave and become a photographer after 10 years working a 9-5...wasn't my thing, but part of me wishes I did my year at starbucks/publix/etc..
 
2013-06-27 04:03:38 AM  

gerbilpox: AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.

You want yours without spit, don't you?


So my choice is either to give in to the extortion or suffer the consequences?

I think I'd rather take my business elsewhere.
 
2013-06-27 04:04:39 AM  
Tim Horton's doesn't even have tip cups.

/just sayin'
 
2013-06-27 04:06:55 AM  
at every Starbucks I go to the shift supervisors spend just as much time being baristas as baristas, they just have a few additional responsibilities.
 
2013-06-27 04:08:44 AM  
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2013-06-27 04:10:21 AM  

cyberspacedout: I don't get it - didn't they already do this? IIRC there was an unsuccessful class action suit a number of years ago claiming that shift supervisors shouldn't have been allowed to take tips from employees, since they were considered agents of the management or something. Maybe it was just a California thing for all I know.


Thought I remembered that myself, so I googled:

Starbucks wins reversal of $100-million tips verdict
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/03/business/fi-starbucks-tips3

I remember seeing the initial verdict and wondering how the hell they could track down years' worth of past baristas to distribute all that. "Tonya Reid Jones? Formerly Tonya Reid of the Starbucks on Main Street in Shreveport? Here's the $9.41 more you should have gotten in 2005. Nowadays that'll buy you a half-'tall' of milk only. Enjoy!"
 
2013-06-27 04:10:48 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: gerbilpox: AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.

You want yours without spit, don't you?

So my choice is either to give in to the extortion or suffer the consequences?

I think I'd rather take my business elsewhere.


Extortion is exactly what is is. Protection money at it's finest, because they can't be assed to get a real job. This whole tipping culture is farking ridiculous. If you rely on tips to live, you need a new job. This is why automation is a good thing, eventually they'll be replaced by smart robots, able to take everyones silly custom orders, and employees will be cut down to the guy who performs maintenance.
 
2013-06-27 04:15:35 AM  

Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?


I don't go to Starbucks, which is mostly automated, but if you're making a cappuccino or latte, there's a lot of skill most people don't realize. Getting a shot to pull at the right speed, making sure the milk foams just right (very hard for a cappuccino), those are skills that you have to work at. If someone takes the time to do a professional job, they deserve more than someone that slings coffee until their novel goes big/their band makes it/their screenplay is picked up and does a crappy job at it. It's worth an extra $0.50-$1.00.
 
2013-06-27 04:18:37 AM  

Bucky Katt: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

You don't have to.  No one is making you.


I'll tip $1 to every barista who gets my name correct, which means I don't tip very often.
 
2013-06-27 04:21:30 AM  

robohobo: This is why automation is a good thing, eventually they'll be replaced by smart robots, able to take everyones silly custom orders, and employees will be cut down to the guy who performs maintenance.


...who will spit in every single machine he services.
 
2013-06-27 04:23:05 AM  

Alphakronik: I'll tip $1 to every barista who gets my name correct, which means I don't tip very often.


To be fair, self-centered farkhole isn't easy to spell for those who could only score a job in the food service industry.
 
2013-06-27 04:23:19 AM  

cyberspacedout: I don't get it - didn't they already do this? IIRC there was an unsuccessful class action suit a number of years ago claiming that shift supervisors shouldn't have been allowed to take tips from employees, since they were considered agents of the management or something. Maybe it was just a California thing for all I know.


Not to worry.  You're on fark.  It takes a number of years for this site to catch up with old news.

/surprised the newsflash tag wasn't used.
 
2013-06-27 04:25:30 AM  

gweilo8888: robohobo: This is why automation is a good thing, eventually they'll be replaced by smart robots, able to take everyones silly custom orders, and employees will be cut down to the guy who performs maintenance.

...who will spit in every single machine he services.


I would assume such machines would be self-cleaning, like ovens and not-slutty vaginas.
 
2013-06-27 04:31:31 AM  
Don't like it, get another job.

Problem solved!
 
2013-06-27 04:32:04 AM  
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/cause I am in the middle of re-watching the BSG remake...
 
2013-06-27 04:38:54 AM  

HotWingAgenda: That makes sense. But the people rolling up and ordering a $20 fru fru girly drink that takes 5 minutes to make had better farking tip for the extra work and focus involved.


Perhaps Starbucks could pay their staff by the hour, so that they earned more for drinks that took longer to make. That way, they'd earn the same for making one five-minute drink as for making five one-minute drink. Just a thought.
 
2013-06-27 04:59:55 AM  
This thread is void of much undue outrage

COME ON FARK WHERE IS MY ENTERTAINMENT?
 
2013-06-27 05:09:01 AM  

Alphakronik: I'll tip $1 to every barista who gets my name correct, which means I don't tip very often.


Protip:  Tip $1 and they'll learn your name pretty quickly.

Being a welcome regular has perks.  Once, it literally saved my life.
 
2013-06-27 05:16:13 AM  

Alphakronik: Bucky Katt: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

You don't have to.  No one is making you.

I'll tip $1 to every barista who gets my name correct, which means I don't tip very often.


Let me guess, you tip $1 to every bartender that makes you the perfect gin and tonic, whether you know their name or not. Maybe you should learn your barista's name, asshole.
/if you can't afford the tip, make it at home
 
2013-06-27 05:21:33 AM  

2and4: Alphakronik: Bucky Katt: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

You don't have to.  No one is making you.

I'll tip $1 to every barista who gets my name correct, which means I don't tip very often.

Let me guess, you tip $1 to every bartender that makes you the perfect gin and tonic, whether you know their name or not. Maybe you should learn your barista's name, asshole.
/if you can't afford the tip, make it at home


Or, if you CAN afford the tip, make it at home. High end espresso machines aren't that expensive. If you have the time to wait in line for some mouth breathing hipster to make you coffee, you have the time to make it at home.
 
2013-06-27 05:34:13 AM  
If girls who get dollar bills in their panties at a strip club have to share their tips with well like everyone from the DJ to the owner while their doing all the bouncing and shaking....I have no problem with some moron who makes coffee sharing their tips.
 
2013-06-27 05:39:19 AM  
As if being a Starbucks barista doesn't suck enough that you are one to begin with

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2013-06-27 05:43:09 AM  

2and4: Alphakronik: Bucky Katt: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

You don't have to.  No one is making you.

I'll tip $1 to every barista who gets my name correct, which means I don't tip very often.

Let me guess, you tip $1 to every bartender that makes you the perfect gin and tonic, whether you know their name or not. Maybe you should learn your barista's name, asshole.
/if you can't afford the tip, make it at home


Tipping someone who makes more than minimum wage? Okay buddy.

/rarely goes to Starbucks
//order black coffee or green/black tea when I do
 
2013-06-27 06:00:18 AM  

redmid17: Tipping someone who makes more than minimum wage? Okay buddy.


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2013-06-27 06:00:39 AM  
WHY ARE THERE TIP JARS AT SELF SERVE FROZEN YOGURT SHOPS?!?

/I, for one, am appalled by this behavior.
 
2013-06-27 06:06:10 AM  
Given that Starbucks is so popular with the Lefties, I don't see why there's any outrage at this form of income redistribution.
 
2013-06-27 06:07:06 AM  

thamike: redmid17: Tipping someone who makes more than minimum wage? Okay buddy.

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Cabbies/Strippers make less than minimum wage (in my experience). The rest actually do jobs more difficult than making drinks.

Oh and sommeliers are full of shiat.   http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2007/11/02/the-subjectivity-of-wine/

Now if you want a decent pair of wine with your dinner, by all means. Do they share those tips you leave for the server? I'll admit I've never bothered to ask for a sommelier in a nice restaurant. I don't particularly care for most wine. I'm more of a beer snob if I am to pair something with food.
 
2013-06-27 06:31:56 AM  
There's a pizza place down the road at which the owner comes by every night and empties the tip jar .. keeping 100% for himself. Video cam keeps everyone honest. Which political philosophy does this fall under?
 
2013-06-27 06:39:50 AM  

mike_d85: WHY ARE THERE TIP JARS AT SELF SERVE FROZEN YOGURT SHOPS?!?

/I, for one, am appalled by this behavior.


I saw that the other day. Maybe since we're serving ourselves, we're supposed to reach in the jar and take a buck.
 
2013-06-27 06:43:09 AM  

Alphakronik: I'll tip $1 to every barista who gets my name correct, which means I don't tip very often.


I feel you pain, Amorfa.

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2013-06-27 06:44:27 AM  

2and4: Let me guess, you tip $1 to every bartender that makes you the perfect gin and tonic, whether you know their name or not. Maybe you should learn your barista's name, asshole.

/if you can't afford the tip, make it at home


I see the liberal arts graduates have woken up.
 
2013-06-27 07:22:51 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: gerbilpox: AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.

You want yours without spit, don't you?

So my choice is either to give in to the extortion or suffer the consequences?

I think I'd rather take my business elsewhere.


Yeah - take it to that restaurant where assholes who stiff the help are appreciated, and treated well.
There's lot's of places like that around.
 
2013-06-27 07:24:00 AM  

jtown: People tip at starbucks?  Doesn't that violate the general rules of tipping?  Counter service = no tip unless you're making unusual requests.  That's like tipping at McDonald's.  The only exception I know to the counter service rule is eating pizza at a pizza parlor for some reason.


Tipping as you order at a take out counter is common and usually gets you extras and free appetizers if there's a long wait.
 
2013-06-27 07:25:03 AM  

jso2897: AverageAmericanGuy: gerbilpox: AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.

You want yours without spit, don't you?

So my choice is either to give in to the extortion or suffer the consequences?

I think I'd rather take my business elsewhere.

Yeah - take it to that restaurant where assholes who stiff the help are appreciated, and treated well.
There's lot's of places like that around.


Generally people are tipped when they provide a service, not a product. Passing a product over the counter is not a service.
 
2013-06-27 07:25:59 AM  
cman: This thread is void of much undue outrage
COME ON FARK WHERE IS MY ENTERTAINMENT?

don't be a complainer, be a doer.  take on the persona of an entitled misunderstood genius like 2and4 has and make your own fun.
 
2013-06-27 07:36:34 AM  

Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?


Well, they make more than minimum wage and most people don't tip them.
 
2013-06-27 07:40:02 AM  

Aulus: You know what?  Aside from the fact that Starbucks mostly serves swill, this just gives me all the more reason to avoid doing business with them.


Why? The guy behind the counter making your drink shouldn't get your tip if he's the most senior person back there? Do you think a head server shouldn't be tipped, either?
 
2013-06-27 07:49:43 AM  
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2013-06-27 07:49:50 AM  
I'd like to take a moment from this discussion to point out that subby's headline is a profound atrocity against the English language, and that subby should be forced to sit through a remedial headline-writing class while naked and covered in ants.
 
2013-06-27 07:50:02 AM  

thamike: redmid17: Tipping someone who makes more than minimum wage? Okay buddy.


In many places, hair stylists, strippers, and cab drivers aren't paid salary at all but literally rent their chair/time on the pole/car from the company.
 
2013-06-27 07:51:35 AM  
Have to share tips with a person who is doing all the same work as you on top of their other duties? Shock, horror, im appalled.

Oh and if you dont see the.point of tipping people behind the counter then just go ahead and dont do it. If it makes you feel better to be a bitter smarmy bastard by gloating that you dont tip then, well, more power to ya.
 
2013-06-27 07:52:57 AM  

OgreMagi: Starbucks pays above the minimum wage. And the "shift supervisor" isn't some overpaid manager type. They are more akin to "lead person" and typically don't make much more than the baristas. Sharing tips is the right thing to do.


Came here to say this. A shift is just the person in charge who made sure sht got done because the manager isn't there every hour of the day. I don't recall, because I've slept several times since then, but there isn't a pay raise to speak of. At least, I don't think I got one. They're there on the floor in the same capacity as baristas when it comes to customers, if not moreso. Everyone who works that day, excluding manager and assistant manager, are pro-rated the tips FOR THE DAY, based on the hours you worked. I never had a problem with this, even as a barista.
.... People give tips who want to be nice; it's not required. So, sharing with everyone what little scraps you get is the (again) right thing to do.
 
2013-06-27 07:53:06 AM  
tips?? on a $6 cup of coffee??
 
2013-06-27 07:53:32 AM  

Aulus: You know what?  Aside from the fact that Starbucks mostly serves swill, this just gives me all the more reason to avoid doing business with them.


I agree. when I give a tip, I expect it to go to the one serving me, not the whole friggin' lot. To me THAT is unfair.It is my saying "Good Job" to the one serving me, not for Penis McPenis in the corner picking his nose....

/course I also dislike Starbucks, so this just makes sure I won't go there.
 
2013-06-27 07:53:52 AM  

meanmutton: thamike: redmid17: Tipping someone who makes more than minimum wage? Okay buddy.

In many places, hair stylists, strippers, and cab drivers aren't paid salary at all but literally rent their chair/time on the pole/car from the company.


Hey, someone else who knows something about less than minimum wage employees! How ya doin?
 
2013-06-27 08:00:00 AM  

People_are_Idiots: Aulus: You know what?  Aside from the fact that Starbucks mostly serves swill, this just gives me all the more reason to avoid doing business with them.

I agree. when I give a tip, I expect it to go to the one serving me, not the whole friggin' lot. To me THAT is unfair.It is my saying "Good Job" to the one serving me, not for Penis McPenis in the corner picking his nose....

/course I also dislike Starbucks, so this just makes sure I won't go there.


Unfair would be to give the one guy making your drink a tip when all the other workers are busy stocking his supplies, ringing up his customers, and keeping the lobby clean. Its a team effort. Of course, you dislike starbucks and apparently dont go there, so I dont know why you're even commenting on their policies.
 
2013-06-27 08:04:56 AM  

worldeater: Given that Starbucks is so popular with the Lefties, I don't see why there's any outrage at this form of income redistribution.


I think it is just popular with people who like to spend a lot of money for their coffee.

redmid17: meanmutton: thamike: redmid17: Tipping someone who makes more than minimum wage? Okay buddy.

In many places, hair stylists, strippers, and cab drivers aren't paid salary at all but literally rent their chair/time on the pole/car from the company.

Hey, someone else who knows something about less than minimum wage employees! How ya doin?


"Dancers" too!
 
2013-06-27 08:06:53 AM  
I work at Starbucks so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

But really, a shift supervisor is no different from a team lead or anything. It's an extra 1-2$ per hour to do all of the barista duties and count tills at the end of the night. We're not salary, we're not full time, we just have slightly more responsibilities than a barista (cash management and keys to the store). So yes, shifts deserve to split the tips.

Assistant and Store managers are salaried and work 40+ hours a week and they rightfully do not get tips.

/Love my job
//kickass health insurance for 20 hours a week
///going to be sad when I finish my degree and quit
 
2013-06-27 08:12:23 AM  

SarahDiddle: I work at Starbucks so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

But really, a shift supervisor is no different from a team lead or anything. It's an extra 1-2$ per hour to do all of the barista duties and count tills at the end of the night. We're not salary, we're not full time, we just have slightly more responsibilities than a barista (cash management and keys to the store). So yes, shifts deserve to split the tips.

Assistant and Store managers are salaried and work 40+ hours a week and they rightfully do not get tips.

/Love my job
//kickass health insurance for 20 hours a week
///going to be sad when I finish my degree and quit


Don't get too optimistic about quiting.
 
2013-06-27 08:19:23 AM  
The tip "jar" at the local University Starbucks where I live usually seems to have between six and seven hundred thousand bucks in it every day.
 
2013-06-27 08:20:48 AM  
I went to Starbucks the morning of Christmas Eve and got three drinks.

I tipped them $20 because it's Christmas Eve and they're at work (I've done my bid in retail) and damnit the people at that Starbucks are always in a great mood.

The year before I worked Christmas Eve and alli got was called a dumb coont by a woman whose husband had just beat the hell out of her. :(
 
2013-06-27 08:21:03 AM  
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2013-06-27 08:22:50 AM  
If you don't like it move to Massachusetts, where a court reached the opposite conclusion.  Shift supervisors can't be in a tip pool.
 
2013-06-27 08:24:42 AM  
My wife worked for a year as a barista at Starbucks between college and grad school.  She really enjoyed it, got paid well (plus a couple extra bucks / hr in tips), got health benefits, even stock options at reduced rates.

Sorry hipsters and haters, it is a good company that treats its employees very well.
 
2013-06-27 08:28:11 AM  
Typically, hourly tips are way more than the pay difference between shift supervisor and barista.  So essentially the outrage is that the lowest level workers aren't taking home more money than the second-lowest level workers, who are typically better and do the same work, but with additional responsibilities.
 
2013-06-27 08:30:54 AM  

meanmutton: SarahDiddle: I work at Starbucks so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

But really, a shift supervisor is no different from a team lead or anything. It's an extra 1-2$ per hour to do all of the barista duties and count tills at the end of the night. We're not salary, we're not full time, we just have slightly more responsibilities than a barista (cash management and keys to the store). So yes, shifts deserve to split the tips.

Assistant and Store managers are salaried and work 40+ hours a week and they rightfully do not get tips.

/Love my job
//kickass health insurance for 20 hours a week
///going to be sad when I finish my degree and quit

Don't get too optimistic about quiting.


I don't think it'll be permanent because I'm going into teaching but if I have to stay or go back to the company I won't mind. They treat ALL their employees well with everyone (including baristas) getting PTO, stock grants, discounted stock, tuition reimbursement, matching to our 401k, health/dental insurance, maternity leave (75% pay for 2 months)... it's a great job honestly.
 
2013-06-27 08:31:18 AM  
My teen daughter got a second job at Cold Stone Creamery this year.  They have a tip jar that is taken to the back office each night by the manager.  Then it is supposedly split up and included in their paychecks.

I'm a suspicious bastard so I assume once the door is closed the manager is taking their pick of pre-tax tips.
 
2013-06-27 08:33:22 AM  
I worked at Starbucks in college and it was awesome. I seriously miss it sometimes. Almost all of the employees were students so everyone was pretty laid back about the job itself and the customers were great too. This was several years ago when Starbucks wasn't quite as ubiquitous as it is now, so it was still sort of a new thing to a lot of people.

I liked working there so much that I didn't even mind the 5am shift.

Health insurance for employees working 20hrs/wk, free coffee(say what you will about the beans, free coffee to a college student is free coffee), we also did have stock options and I think there was tuition reimbursement in some cases.
 
2013-06-27 08:35:49 AM  

tbhouston: tips?? on a $6 cup of coffee??


Starbucks doesn't sell a $6 "cup of coffee" that I'm aware of, nor do they mandate tips.  Most people don't tip at Starbucks and it's certainly nothing you should feel obligated to do. I don't like carrying a bunch of change with me on the way to work so if it's $3.34 for my drink I'm not going to be feel bad about dropping the $.66 in a jar.

Plus there's the fact that most Starbucks have regular staff and regular customers, so you're going to see the same few people every time you go in. Most of the employees know exactly what I drink and start it immediately, and they know my name and say hi. In return, I give them a tip every so often. It's called being a nice person, not extortion as one other poster said. The barista prepping your order is not going to spit in the coffee (they make it right in front of you) just because you didn't put some change in the jar over by the registers.
 
2013-06-27 08:37:52 AM  

dukeblue219: tbhouston: tips?? on a $6 cup of coffee??

Starbucks doesn't sell a $6 "cup of coffee" that I'm aware of, nor do they mandate tips.  Most people don't tip at Starbucks and it's certainly nothing you should feel obligated to do. I don't like carrying a bunch of change with me on the way to work so if it's $3.34 for my drink I'm not going to be feel bad about dropping the $.66 in a jar.

Plus there's the fact that most Starbucks have regular staff and regular customers, so you're going to see the same few people every time you go in. Most of the employees know exactly what I drink and start it immediately, and they know my name and say hi. In return, I give them a tip every so often. It's called being a nice person, not extortion as one other poster said. The barista prepping your order is not going to spit in the coffee (they make it right in front of you) just because you didn't put some change in the jar over by the registers.


My girlfriend has managed to go north of $5, so I can't imagine it's impossible to hit a $6 coffee from them.
 
2013-06-27 08:40:16 AM  
No Mr. Pink yet? FARK, I am dissapoint....
 
2013-06-27 08:45:37 AM  

911Jenny: I went to Starbucks the morning of Christmas Eve and got three drinks.

I tipped them $20 because it's Christmas Eve and they're at work (I've done my bid in retail) and damnit the people at that Starbucks are always in a great mood.

The year before I worked Christmas Eve and alli got was called a dumb coont by a woman whose husband had just beat the hell out of her. :(


That's why I keep saying everyone should be required to do at least one of the following:
-work retail
-work food service

Excellent attitude changer.
 
2013-06-27 08:48:56 AM  

Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?


I sure don't. And i blame Starbucks for the nefarious practice of putting tip jars in every place of business.

At least Flo down at the greasy spoon would bring my cuppa to me.
 
2013-06-27 08:49:01 AM  

Bucky Katt: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

You don't have to.  No one is making you.


You don't have to, but when did it become expected to tip counter service? I see this tip jars everywhere and I have to ask what service did you provide?
 
2013-06-27 08:49:35 AM  
Did a GIS for "sharing tips." Had to reset to Safe Search.
 
2013-06-27 08:50:47 AM  
OgreMagi: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

Starbucks pays above the minimum wage. And the "shift supervisor" isn't some overpaid manager type.  They are more akin to "lead person" and typically don't make much more than the baristas.
Sharing tips is the right thing to do.


Can't agree with this.  When I tip I leave it for the server and the busser.  I've known of places where a really great position, a position that should be well paid is brought down to the income level of a part time Vets Club bartender by spending the servers tips.  For example, dishwashers, prep cooks, pantry cooks should not be tipped positions.  If you want to kick the broiler cook a few bucks at the end of a shift that's up to you but for management to dictate how you distribute money that was intended for you is inappropriate.  It's up to management to PAY those positions.  If you decide  you've made enough and want to be generous that's up to you.  If you feel that you couldn't have made that much cash with out the above and beyond efforts of the support staff that's up to you.

To me, it's just typical management crap to dodge paying a fair wage.  FWIW, most dishwashers I've known (in nearly 20 years of hospitality work) had their pay check subsidized (in some cases +50%) by the Easter Seals Foundation and so in effect were virtually free to the employer.

I'm not as likely to visit a place that mandates spreading my intended filthy lucre around to people I'll never meet.
 
2013-06-27 08:50:55 AM  

2and4: Alphakronik: Bucky Katt: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

You don't have to.  No one is making you.

I'll tip $1 to every barista who gets my name correct, which means I don't tip very often.

Let me guess, you tip $1 to every bartender that makes you the perfect gin and tonic, whether you know their name or not. Maybe you should learn your barista's name, asshole.
/if you can't afford the tip, make it at home


What service did a baraista supply? Did they spend more then 5 minutes talking to me? Did they recommend something I might like? No? Then they are no better then counter help at McDonald's or Greeters at Walmart.
 
2013-06-27 08:51:10 AM  

Forbidden Doughnut: No Mr. Pink yet? FARK, I am dissapoint....


First page, about 1/5th of the way down.
 
2013-06-27 08:52:21 AM  

ImmaHoopyFrood: My teen daughter got a second job at Cold Stone Creamery this year.  They have a tip jar that is taken to the back office each night by the manager.  Then it is supposedly split up and included in their paychecks.

I'm a suspicious bastard so I assume once the door is closed the manager is taking their pick of pre-tax tips.


That's the other reason i don't put money in those tip jars. I assume that's exactly what happens.
 
2013-06-27 08:53:52 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Bucky Katt: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

You don't have to.  No one is making you.

You don't have to, but when did it become expected to tip counter service? I see this tip jars everywhere and I have to ask what service did you provide?


It is not a customarily tipped profession.  It's not like a bartender, who typically gets something like 50-60% of his/her wages from tips or a server who gets 80% or a stripper who has to shell out $200 a shift just to be allowed the privilege be allowed to come in and try to get tips.  Tips make a very small percent of their take-home.
 
2013-06-27 08:54:08 AM  

redmid17: My girlfriend has managed to go north of $5, so I can't imagine it's impossible to hit a $6 coffee from them.


Maybe I'm being too pedantic, I get it. But a venti coffee is like $1.90 or something. Yes, you can hit $5 with a venti frappucino, but those are ~700 calories and really are more of a dessert or milkshake alternative and can't be compared to a coffee.
 
2013-06-27 08:55:55 AM  

SarahDiddle: meanmutton: SarahDiddle: I work at Starbucks so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

But really, a shift supervisor is no different from a team lead or anything. It's an extra 1-2$ per hour to do all of the barista duties and count tills at the end of the night. We're not salary, we're not full time, we just have slightly more responsibilities than a barista (cash management and keys to the store). So yes, shifts deserve to split the tips.

Assistant and Store managers are salaried and work 40+ hours a week and they rightfully do not get tips.

/Love my job
//kickass health insurance for 20 hours a week
///going to be sad when I finish my degree and quit

Don't get too optimistic about quiting.

I don't think it'll be permanent because I'm going into teaching but if I have to stay or go back to the company I won't mind. They treat ALL their employees well with everyone (including baristas) getting PTO, stock grants, discounted stock, tuition reimbursement, matching to our 401k, health/dental insurance, maternity leave (75% pay for 2 months)... it's a great job honestly.


Please tell me that you're planning to teach math, science, foreign language, or special ed and not elementary, art, history, gym, music, or English.
 
2013-06-27 08:58:39 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: What service did a baraista supply? Did they spend more then 5 minutes talking to me? Did they recommend something I might like? No? Then they are no better then counter help at McDonald's or Greeters at Walmart.


If you come in once and order a cup of coffee at a random Starbucks nobody in the world is going to expect you to tip. But if you come in twice a week and are greeted with a smile and they have your order going in the system before you get to the register, what's the harm in a dollar every once in a while? If I choose to leave a dollar, how does that affect you?

Also, if your barista is no friendlier than a McDonald's employee then you either have the greatest McD's in the world or the worst Starbucks.

Ragging on baristas for making too much in tips is like ragging on school teachers for being overpaid union thugs. It's ridiculous. Any former baristas care to share how much they actually made from tips? I'm quite sure it's not that much.
 
2013-06-27 08:59:03 AM  

mike_d85: WHY ARE THERE TIP JARS AT SELF SERVE FROZEN YOGURT SHOPS?!?

/I, for one, am appalled by this behavior.


The only thing that insidious practice is good for is relieving me of the 7 cents i got back as change.
 
2013-06-27 09:00:02 AM  

Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?


as a former bartender...
good luck getting prompt service
 
2013-06-27 09:05:01 AM  

jtown: People tip at starbucks?  Doesn't that violate the general rules of tipping?  Counter service = no tip unless you're making unusual requests.  That's like tipping at McDonald's.  The only exception I know to the counter service rule is eating pizza at a pizza parlor for some reason.

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I have to agree with this. I'm usually a pretty good tipper (mostly because I've worked in the service industry), but I've never tipped at a Starbucks.
 
2013-06-27 09:05:29 AM  

sn0wblind: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

as a former bartender...
good luck getting prompt service


From a store that queues up customers to serve them? You do understand the difference between a bar and a Starbucks right?
 
2013-06-27 09:15:32 AM  
They want me to tip them for their overpriced coffee?     Well, its a good thing that I don't go to Starbucks but maybe once per year.
 
2013-06-27 09:17:05 AM  

jso2897: Yeah - take it to that restaurant where assholes who stiff the help are appreciated, and treated well.
There's lot's of places like that around.



Starbucks is a restaurant?
 
2013-06-27 09:18:49 AM  

sn0wblind: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

as a former bartender...
good luck getting prompt service


Did your bar have a drive-thru? When was the last time you tipped the people at Burger King?
 
2013-06-27 09:20:23 AM  

Slaves2Darkness: Bucky Katt: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

You don't have to.  No one is making you.

You don't have to, but when did it become expected to tip counter service? I see this tip jars everywhere and I have to ask what service did you provide?


Since when does having a tip jar out mean that one expects tips? They. dont even have a tip line on credit card receipts.
 
2013-06-27 09:23:23 AM  
dont like it dont work there
 
2013-06-27 09:27:24 AM  
I worked at starbucks for a while when I was young.  They split up the tips for the week based on how many hours you worked.  I'm not really a customer service kind of guy so I hated it, but I do recommend it to anyone looking to get a foothold in the city.  They treat you pretty well.
 
2013-06-27 09:28:20 AM  

wyltoknow: People_are_Idiots: Aulus: You know what?  Aside from the fact that Starbucks mostly serves swill, this just gives me all the more reason to avoid doing business with them.

I agree. when I give a tip, I expect it to go to the one serving me, not the whole friggin' lot. To me THAT is unfair.It is my saying "Good Job" to the one serving me, not for Penis McPenis in the corner picking his nose....

/course I also dislike Starbucks, so this just makes sure I won't go there.

Unfair would be to give the one guy making your drink a tip when all the other workers are busy stocking his supplies, ringing up his customers, and keeping the lobby clean. Its a team effort. Of course, you dislike starbucks and apparently dont go there, so I dont know why you're even commenting on their policies.


Mhmm, and the one cooking in the back deserves a tip too in a restaurant. Sorry, I tip on who serves me, not the others. SOP in many restaurants. Otherwise you're as bad as:

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Waldo Pepper: People_are_Idiots: Aulus: You know what?  Aside from the fact that Starbucks mostly serves swill, this just gives me all the more reason to avoid doing business with them.

I agree. when I give a tip, I expect it to go to the one serving me, not the whole friggin' lot. To me THAT is unfair.It is my saying "Good Job" to the one serving me, not for Penis McPenis in the corner picking his nose....

/course I also dislike Starbucks, so this just makes sure I won't go there.

you realize when you put the tip in a jar they have no way of knowing at the end of the shift what tips go to which person


If it's a jar, that falls under bar tipping. Bartenders and DJs put out jars to offer a tip, and the money IS spread out. The article did not mention this so it's safer to assume that Starbucks operates like a restaurant, which common practice is leaving a tip on the table with the check, or handing it to the server when you pay.
 
2013-06-27 09:36:05 AM  

People_are_Idiots: you realize when you put the tip in a jar they have no way of knowing at the end of the shift what tips go to which person

If it's a jar, that falls under bar tipping. Bartenders and DJs put out jars to offer a tip, and the money IS spread out. The article did not mention this so it's safer to assume that Starbucks operates like a restaurant, which common practice is leaving a tip on the table with the check, or handing it to the server when you pay.


Ahh, so, no, they don't handle it like a restaurant.  Coffee shops like Starbucks have a service model very similar to fast food places -- you line up, talk to a cashier and place your order, pay for it (there's a small jar next to it where you can place a tip), and then go over to an area to wait where they give you your order (and there's another small jar there where you can also tip).  Once you get your order, you take it over to the little stand where they have cream / sugar / other stuff to put in your coffee.

Honestly, it's kind of like McDonald's only at Starbucks, they don't put the cream and sugar in your coffee for you; you have to do that yourself.  So it's like a McDonald's where they don't provide the same level of service making coffee and have a tip jar.
 
2013-06-27 09:43:08 AM  

meanmutton: People_are_Idiots: you realize when you put the tip in a jar they have no way of knowing at the end of the shift what tips go to which person

If it's a jar, that falls under bar tipping. Bartenders and DJs put out jars to offer a tip, and the money IS spread out. The article did not mention this so it's safer to assume that Starbucks operates like a restaurant, which common practice is leaving a tip on the table with the check, or handing it to the server when you pay.

Ahh, so, no, they don't handle it like a restaurant.  Coffee shops like Starbucks have a service model very similar to fast food places -- you line up, talk to a cashier and place your order, pay for it (there's a small jar next to it where you can place a tip), and then go over to an area to wait where they give you your order (and there's another small jar there where you can also tip).  Once you get your order, you take it over to the little stand where they have cream / sugar / other stuff to put in your coffee.

Honestly, it's kind of like McDonald's only at Starbucks, they don't put the cream and sugar in your coffee for you; you have to do that yourself.  So it's like a McDonald's where they don't provide the same level of service making coffee and have a tip jar.


McDonalds has a tip jar...? I wouldn't tip there either. It's fast food, only thing I want is to get my food and get out.
 
2013-06-27 09:48:19 AM  
"Pony up a buck, ya cheap bastard,"
 
2013-06-27 09:48:42 AM  

People_are_Idiots: meanmutton: People_are_Idiots: you realize when you put the tip in a jar they have no way of knowing at the end of the shift what tips go to which person

If it's a jar, that falls under bar tipping. Bartenders and DJs put out jars to offer a tip, and the money IS spread out. The article did not mention this so it's safer to assume that Starbucks operates like a restaurant, which common practice is leaving a tip on the table with the check, or handing it to the server when you pay.

Ahh, so, no, they don't handle it like a restaurant.  Coffee shops like Starbucks have a service model very similar to fast food places -- you line up, talk to a cashier and place your order, pay for it (there's a small jar next to it where you can place a tip), and then go over to an area to wait where they give you your order (and there's another small jar there where you can also tip).  Once you get your order, you take it over to the little stand where they have cream / sugar / other stuff to put in your coffee.

Honestly, it's kind of like McDonald's only at Starbucks, they don't put the cream and sugar in your coffee for you; you have to do that yourself.  So it's like a McDonald's where they don't provide the same level of service making coffee and have a tip jar.

McDonalds has a tip jar...? I wouldn't tip there either. It's fast food, only thing I want is to get my food and get out.


Sorry I was unclear.  Starbucks has the tip jar.  McDonald's provides a higher level of coffee-making service (they put your cream and Splenda in your coffee).

/Get coffee from both
//Prefer McDonald's regular coffee to Starbucks'; prefer Starbucks' mocha to McDonald's
 
2013-06-27 09:52:26 AM  

tchau: My friends absolutely loved being Baristas at Starbucks.  Never really heard people who actually worked there complain other than the fact that it was possible to make more money with a real corporate job.  For anyone doing part time worked they've always talked about loving it.

/sorry about being honest.


I spent about four months as a Starbucks barista and had a blast.  Pay was above minimum wage, health care was available, the tips were good and it was just generally fun work.
 
2013-06-27 09:56:00 AM  

runescorpio: jtown: People tip at starbucks?  Doesn't that violate the general rules of tipping?  Counter service = no tip unless you're making unusual requests.  That's like tipping at McDonald's.  The only exception I know to the counter service rule is eating pizza at a pizza parlor for some reason.

Tipping as you order at a take out counter is common and usually gets you extras and free appetizers if there's a long wait.


This has never been a common thing.  Tips are for people that serve me, you know, like at a table...
 
2013-06-27 09:56:39 AM  
Exception: bars
 
2013-06-27 10:34:51 AM  
I don't see why it should bother people so much to see a tip jar. Its there for tips. If you want to tip, put money in. If you don't, then don't. Sometimes people want to tip them.
 
2013-06-27 10:57:12 AM  

Alexei Novikov: I used to work at a Starbucks. I'd do it again in a minute; it was a great job and surprisingly fun.

Also, in FL, shift supervisors always shared tips. Managers don't because they're salaried. Not sure why it was different in NY anyway. What a farked up state.


Florida is the pinnacle of normality in the U.S., every state should follow Florida.
 
2013-06-27 11:15:36 AM  

Maul555: Exception: bars


Yes, tip your bartender.  Tip the broad bringing the drink to you.  Keep them happy and they'll keep you happy.  Everybody else can fark off and get a real job.

I tip true professional waiters when I go to a fancy joint.  They'll go broke waiting for me to show up though.
 
2013-06-27 11:32:00 AM  
Tip "sharing" is illegal.   Either the person given it has the discretion to distribute it as they see fit OR tips can be banned and the money goes in a log-book into a donation jar.

The supervisors should damned well do some work to get tips.
 
2013-06-27 11:35:09 AM  
Came for Amy's Baking Company. Leaving happy.
 
2013-06-27 11:37:20 AM  
lisa0012:
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Approves.


I was thinking the exact same thing. And good lord just LOOK at her in this photo with that hair. I swear that it looks like some truly bad Photoshopping at work here.
 
2013-06-27 11:40:51 AM  

Fano: ImmaHoopyFrood: My teen daughter got a second job at Cold Stone Creamery this year.  They have a tip jar that is taken to the back office each night by the manager.  Then it is supposedly split up and included in their paychecks.

I'm a suspicious bastard so I assume once the door is closed the manager is taking their pick of pre-tax tips.

That's the other reason i don't put money in those tip jars. I assume that's exactly what happens.


The jar should never go to the back office but they say it is for tax reasons.

I've tried to encourage her to not go for BS jobs and either waitress so she can keep her tips or do her own thing but that doesn't pan out.  She wants to work at "fun places".  Work isn't fun.  She is 17, my son is 16 in about a month.  He does mowing, landscaping, trimming, etc...  He recently found a nice 13HP riding mower on the curb being thrown away while he was running.  All 4 tires flat and it wouldn't run.  He gave me a call, I brought the truck and ramps.  30 minutes of work to bead seal the tires using starter fluid and a lighter and 20 minutes to clean the carb.  So he now has a $1K riding mower and he only put $60 bucks into it for some belts, bolts, and a battery.  He charges $30/hour or by property and services and has quite the bankroll.  He is maxed out and could use her help.

I know this is more about Starbucks where there is kind of a gray area in tip distribution, but this distribute the tips thing for places where you have a front and a back is stupid.  When I'm in those situations with tip jars and multiple people I always feel uncomfortable throwing cash in there.  I do it anyway but I assume the people up front are getting the shaft.
 
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2013-06-27 11:50:45 AM  
Another tipping thread?  Have we not already had one this week?
 
2013-06-27 11:52:41 AM  

redmid17: thamike: redmid17: Tipping someone who makes more than minimum wage? Okay buddy.

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Cabbies/Strippers make less than minimum wage (in my experience). The rest actually do jobs more difficult than making drinks.

Oh and sommeliers are full of shiat.   http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2007/11/02/the-subjectivity-of-wine/

Now if you want a decent pair of wine with your dinner, by all means. Do they share those tips you leave for the server? I'll admit I've never bothered to ask for a sommelier in a nice restaurant. I don't particularly care for most wine. I'm more of a beer snob if I am to pair something with food.


They generally get a cut of the wine trade for the restaurant - it is built into the bottle price.  Would lead to too much crap among the staff to try and figure out how to split the tip.  Plus a good Sommelier is actually part of the management - not a table jockey.  He will operate the wine cellar, including executing purchases.  So no tips for him.
 
2013-06-27 12:04:58 PM  

redmid17: My girlfriend has managed to go north of $5, so I can't imagine it's impossible to hit a $6 coffee from them.


Your girlfriend sounds like an expensive date.
 
2013-06-27 12:07:05 PM  

give me doughnuts: jtown: People tip at starbucks?  Doesn't that violate the general rules of tipping?  Counter service = no tip unless you're making unusual requests.  That's like tipping at McDonald's.  The only exception I know to the counter service rule is eating pizza at a pizza parlor for some reason.

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I have to agree with this. I'm usually a pretty good tipper (mostly because I've worked in the service industry), but I've never tipped at a Starbucks.


So you don't tip your bartenders?
 
2013-06-27 12:10:21 PM  

meanmutton: People_are_Idiots: you realize when you put the tip in a jar they have no way of knowing at the end of the shift what tips go to which person

If it's a jar, that falls under bar tipping. Bartenders and DJs put out jars to offer a tip, and the money IS spread out. The article did not mention this so it's safer to assume that Starbucks operates like a restaurant, which common practice is leaving a tip on the table with the check, or handing it to the server when you pay.

Ahh, so, no, they don't handle it like a restaurant.  Coffee shops like Starbucks have a service model very similar to fast food places -- you line up, talk to a cashier and place your order, pay for it (there's a small jar next to it where you can place a tip), and then go over to an area to wait where they give you your order (and there's another small jar there where you can also tip).  Once you get your order, you take it over to the little stand where they have cream / sugar / other stuff to put in your coffee.

Honestly, it's kind of like McDonald's only at Starbucks, they don't put the cream and sugar in your coffee for you; you have to do that yourself.  So it's like a McDonald's where they don't provide the same level of service making coffee and have a tip jar.


Who in their right mind wants anyone but themselves to measure out how much cream and sugar gets put in their coffee?
 
2013-06-27 12:11:46 PM  

prjindigo: Tip "sharing" is illegal.   Either the person given it has the discretion to distribute it as they see fit OR tips can be banned and the money goes in a log-book into a donation jar.

The supervisors should damned well do some work to get tips.


I'm not sure where you're from but tip sharing is not only legal in the US in every jurisdiction I know of, it's also quite common.

The supervisors in question are individuals who do the same work as the other barristas, plus unlock the door and count out the registers.
 
2013-06-27 12:14:34 PM  

Eshy: meanmutton: People_are_Idiots: you realize when you put the tip in a jar they have no way of knowing at the end of the shift what tips go to which person

If it's a jar, that falls under bar tipping. Bartenders and DJs put out jars to offer a tip, and the money IS spread out. The article did not mention this so it's safer to assume that Starbucks operates like a restaurant, which common practice is leaving a tip on the table with the check, or handing it to the server when you pay.

Ahh, so, no, they don't handle it like a restaurant.  Coffee shops like Starbucks have a service model very similar to fast food places -- you line up, talk to a cashier and place your order, pay for it (there's a small jar next to it where you can place a tip), and then go over to an area to wait where they give you your order (and there's another small jar there where you can also tip).  Once you get your order, you take it over to the little stand where they have cream / sugar / other stuff to put in your coffee.

Honestly, it's kind of like McDonald's only at Starbucks, they don't put the cream and sugar in your coffee for you; you have to do that yourself.  So it's like a McDonald's where they don't provide the same level of service making coffee and have a tip jar.

Who in their right mind wants anyone but themselves to measure out how much cream and sugar gets put in their coffee?


I've never had any problems with their inability to measure.  I tell them how much to put in, they put it in, and it works well.
 
2013-06-27 12:15:03 PM  

meanmutton: prjindigo: Tip "sharing" is illegal.   Either the person given it has the discretion to distribute it as they see fit OR tips can be banned and the money goes in a log-book into a donation jar.

The supervisors should damned well do some work to get tips.

I'm not sure where you're from but tip sharing is not only legal in the US in every jurisdiction I know of, it's also quite common.

The supervisors in question are individuals who do the same work as the other barristas, plus unlock the door and count out the registers.


It actually is illegal. Management/owners can't tell you how to split the tips you receive directly. As in, as a bartender, it's illegal for them to tell me what percentage to give to my cooks and barbacks. I know of a couple of places where everyone splits the tips they make (bartenders/servers), but it's really annoying when you have less capable servers than others.
 
2013-06-27 12:18:29 PM  

meanmutton: Eshy: meanmutton: People_are_Idiots: you realize when you put the tip in a jar they have no way of knowing at the end of the shift what tips go to which person

If it's a jar, that falls under bar tipping. Bartenders and DJs put out jars to offer a tip, and the money IS spread out. The article did not mention this so it's safer to assume that Starbucks operates like a restaurant, which common practice is leaving a tip on the table with the check, or handing it to the server when you pay.

Ahh, so, no, they don't handle it like a restaurant.  Coffee shops like Starbucks have a service model very similar to fast food places -- you line up, talk to a cashier and place your order, pay for it (there's a small jar next to it where you can place a tip), and then go over to an area to wait where they give you your order (and there's another small jar there where you can also tip).  Once you get your order, you take it over to the little stand where they have cream / sugar / other stuff to put in your coffee.

Honestly, it's kind of like McDonald's only at Starbucks, they don't put the cream and sugar in your coffee for you; you have to do that yourself.  So it's like a McDonald's where they don't provide the same level of service making coffee and have a tip jar.

Who in their right mind wants anyone but themselves to measure out how much cream and sugar gets put in their coffee?

I've never had any problems with their inability to measure.  I tell them how much to put in, they put it in, and it works well.


That's a really personalized thing, and I can't think of any place that does it for you. Isn't cream and sugar at McDonald's packeted anyway?
 
2013-06-27 12:27:06 PM  

red5ish: redmid17: My girlfriend has managed to go north of $5, so I can't imagine it's impossible to hit a $6 coffee from them.

Your girlfriend sounds like an expensive date.


From time to time, but she's the one paying for her Starbucks.
 
2013-06-27 12:28:28 PM  

meanmutton: SarahDiddle: meanmutton: SarahDiddle: I work at Starbucks so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

But really, a shift supervisor is no different from a team lead or anything. It's an extra 1-2$ per hour to do all of the barista duties and count tills at the end of the night. We're not salary, we're not full time, we just have slightly more responsibilities than a barista (cash management and keys to the store). So yes, shifts deserve to split the tips.

Assistant and Store managers are salaried and work 40+ hours a week and they rightfully do not get tips.

/Love my job
//kickass health insurance for 20 hours a week
///going to be sad when I finish my degree and quit

Don't get too optimistic about quiting.

I don't think it'll be permanent because I'm going into teaching but if I have to stay or go back to the company I won't mind. They treat ALL their employees well with everyone (including baristas) getting PTO, stock grants, discounted stock, tuition reimbursement, matching to our 401k, health/dental insurance, maternity leave (75% pay for 2 months)... it's a great job honestly.

Please tell me that you're planning to teach math, science, foreign language, or special ed and not elementary, art, history, gym, music, or English.


Yes to science! Though I suppose I could swing history too since I'm double majoring but I know science is where the teaching jobs are. Plus someone has to instill scientific literacy in our future generations.
 
2013-06-27 12:32:37 PM  
If I'm sitting down and you're taking my order, bringing my order, and refilling my beverage, you get a tip.  If I stand in a line and you do nothing other than take my order and hand it to me after someone else makes it (as others have pointed out, this is exactly like McDonald's), then absolutely no tip.

I also see tip jars at Subway.  Seriously?

When did this country get all tip crazy?  Europe and the UK are *way* better at this than we are.
 
2013-06-27 12:32:50 PM  

Eshy: meanmutton: prjindigo: Tip "sharing" is illegal.   Either the person given it has the discretion to distribute it as they see fit OR tips can be banned and the money goes in a log-book into a donation jar.

The supervisors should damned well do some work to get tips.

I'm not sure where you're from but tip sharing is not only legal in the US in every jurisdiction I know of, it's also quite common.

The supervisors in question are individuals who do the same work as the other barristas, plus unlock the door and count out the registers.

It actually is illegal. Management/owners can't tell you how to split the tips you receive directly. As in, as a bartender, it's illegal for them to tell me what percentage to give to my cooks and barbacks. I know of a couple of places where everyone splits the tips they make (bartenders/servers), but it's really annoying when you have less capable servers than others.


But tips aren't given directly, it's going into a tip jar.
 
2013-06-27 12:45:22 PM  
At least at panera, your shift supervisor was just another 19 year old kid that's been then slightly longer than you have.  They also do their share of helping customers, making drinks, cleaning up, etc.  Not the same as a manager.
 
2013-06-27 12:49:51 PM  

vento: If I'm sitting down and you're taking my order, bringing my order, and refilling my beverage, you get a tip.  If I stand in a line and you do nothing other than take my order and hand it to me after someone else makes it (as others have pointed out, this is exactly like McDonald's), then absolutely no tip.

I also see tip jars at Subway.  Seriously?

When did this country get all tip crazy?  Europe and the UK are *way* better at this than we are.


Europe (which the UK is part of, FYI) consists of different countries with different cultural processes. I'm pretty sure they have practices there that you wouldn't like. You take the "good" with the "bad".

/the more you know
 
2013-06-27 12:52:42 PM  

SarahDiddle: Eshy: meanmutton: prjindigo: Tip "sharing" is illegal.   Either the person given it has the discretion to distribute it as they see fit OR tips can be banned and the money goes in a log-book into a donation jar.

The supervisors should damned well do some work to get tips.

I'm not sure where you're from but tip sharing is not only legal in the US in every jurisdiction I know of, it's also quite common.

The supervisors in question are individuals who do the same work as the other barristas, plus unlock the door and count out the registers.

It actually is illegal. Management/owners can't tell you how to split the tips you receive directly. As in, as a bartender, it's illegal for them to tell me what percentage to give to my cooks and barbacks. I know of a couple of places where everyone splits the tips they make (bartenders/servers), but it's really annoying when you have less capable servers than others.

But tips aren't given directly, it's going into a tip jar.


I know. I guess it's a matter of semantics. I should have used the word "pooling" when talking about servers at restaurants.
 
2013-06-27 01:02:11 PM  

Eshy: That's a really personalized thing, and I can't think of any place that does it for you. Isn't cream and sugar at McDonald's packeted anyway?


The one where I live will put the sugar and cream into the coffee before handing it to you, or you can just ask for separate sugar and cream.
 
2013-06-27 01:11:45 PM  

vento: If I'm sitting down and you're taking my order, bringing my order, and refilling my beverage, you get a tip.  If I stand in a line and you do nothing other than take my order and hand it to me after someone else makes it (as others have pointed out, this is exactly like McDonald's), then absolutely no tip.

I also see tip jars at Subway.  Seriously?

When did this country get all tip crazy?  Europe and the UK are *way* better at this than we are.


Tip jars have been around in smaller, independent shops since I can remember.  I don't recall seeing tip jars regularly at franchises with over-the-counter service until the late 90's / early 2000's.  Then it seemed any place would plop one down in hopes of getting an extra buck or two from customers.  Even when paying with card, many add the "tip" field on the receipt (which can be turned off) and force you to sign (which is not necessary for transactions under $50).

As for Starbucks, it seems like the vast majority of people pay with card or the app, leaving no chance to drop spare change or a dollar bill into the tip jar.  Most of the time when I go (only once a week for an iced coffee) and I look, it contains only a handful of loose change.
 
2013-06-27 01:32:36 PM  

OgreMagi: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

Starbucks pays above the minimum wage. And the "shift supervisor" isn't some overpaid manager type.  They are more akin to "lead person" and typically don't make much more than the baristas.  Sharing tips is the right thing to do.



Exactly, surprised they werent already getting a share because honestly they may be the 'supervisor' on the floor, but they're often on register or on bar a lot of the time too filling in where needed and sharing the work. When I was a barista I was getting paid over minimum wage, and tips were roughly 2$/hr on top of that at my store, totally voluntary tips too
 
2013-06-27 01:47:39 PM  

robohobo: AverageAmericanGuy: gerbilpox: AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.

You want yours without spit, don't you?

So my choice is either to give in to the extortion or suffer the consequences?

I think I'd rather take my business elsewhere.

Extortion is exactly what is is. Protection money at it's finest, because they can't be assed to get a real job. This whole tipping culture is farking ridiculous. If you rely on tips to live, you need a new job. This is why automation is a good thing, eventually they'll be replaced by smart robots, able to take everyones silly custom orders, and employees will be cut down to the guy who performs maintenance.


I tip just so the hard working kid behind the counter realizes not everyone is like you.  Got to give them hope for humanity.  Seriously those people take way to much sh*t in the course of a day.
 
2013-06-27 01:50:10 PM  
It's not like the shift supervisors have ownership.

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2013-06-27 02:11:44 PM  

Eshy: meanmutton: prjindigo: Tip "sharing" is illegal.   Either the person given it has the discretion to distribute it as they see fit OR tips can be banned and the money goes in a log-book into a donation jar.

The supervisors should damned well do some work to get tips.

I'm not sure where you're from but tip sharing is not only legal in the US in every jurisdiction I know of, it's also quite common.

The supervisors in question are individuals who do the same work as the other barristas, plus unlock the door and count out the registers.

It actually is illegal. Management/owners can't tell you how to split the tips you receive directly. As in, as a bartender, it's illegal for them to tell me what percentage to give to my cooks and barbacks. I know of a couple of places where everyone splits the tips they make (bartenders/servers), but it's really annoying when you have less capable servers than others.


If you have any citation to support that, I'd be interested to read it.  From the attached article, it's clear that tip pooling is completely legal in New York.  Maybe we're talking about slightly different situations that seem the same?
 
2013-06-27 02:13:46 PM  

Eshy: meanmutton: Eshy: meanmutton: People_are_Idiots: you realize when you put the tip in a jar they have no way of knowing at the end of the shift what tips go to which person

If it's a jar, that falls under bar tipping. Bartenders and DJs put out jars to offer a tip, and the money IS spread out. The article did not mention this so it's safer to assume that Starbucks operates like a restaurant, which common practice is leaving a tip on the table with the check, or handing it to the server when you pay.

Ahh, so, no, they don't handle it like a restaurant.  Coffee shops like Starbucks have a service model very similar to fast food places -- you line up, talk to a cashier and place your order, pay for it (there's a small jar next to it where you can place a tip), and then go over to an area to wait where they give you your order (and there's another small jar there where you can also tip).  Once you get your order, you take it over to the little stand where they have cream / sugar / other stuff to put in your coffee.

Honestly, it's kind of like McDonald's only at Starbucks, they don't put the cream and sugar in your coffee for you; you have to do that yourself.  So it's like a McDonald's where they don't provide the same level of service making coffee and have a tip jar.

Who in their right mind wants anyone but themselves to measure out how much cream and sugar gets put in their coffee?

I've never had any problems with their inability to measure.  I tell them how much to put in, they put it in, and it works well.

That's a really personalized thing, and I can't think of any place that does it for you. Isn't cream and sugar at McDonald's packeted anyway?


Every McDonald's does it.  They have a stand next to the coffee which has a few different tubes, each with a button that puts a measured amount of sugar, Splenda, or Nutrasweet into a cup.  They also have one that does cream.  You tell them how much you want, they do it for you.  It's actually way quicker and easier than doing it yourself (particularly in the drive-through).
 
2013-06-27 02:14:35 PM  

SarahDiddle: meanmutton: SarahDiddle: meanmutton: SarahDiddle: I work at Starbucks so I'm getting a kick out of these replies.

But really, a shift supervisor is no different from a team lead or anything. It's an extra 1-2$ per hour to do all of the barista duties and count tills at the end of the night. We're not salary, we're not full time, we just have slightly more responsibilities than a barista (cash management and keys to the store). So yes, shifts deserve to split the tips.

Assistant and Store managers are salaried and work 40+ hours a week and they rightfully do not get tips.

/Love my job
//kickass health insurance for 20 hours a week
///going to be sad when I finish my degree and quit

Don't get too optimistic about quiting.

I don't think it'll be permanent because I'm going into teaching but if I have to stay or go back to the company I won't mind. They treat ALL their employees well with everyone (including baristas) getting PTO, stock grants, discounted stock, tuition reimbursement, matching to our 401k, health/dental insurance, maternity leave (75% pay for 2 months)... it's a great job honestly.

Please tell me that you're planning to teach math, science, foreign language, or special ed and not elementary, art, history, gym, music, or English.

Yes to science! Though I suppose I could swing history too since I'm double majoring but I know science is where the teaching jobs are. Plus someone has to instill scientific literacy in our future generations.


Whew!!!  I know way too many unemployed elementary school teachers.
 
2013-06-27 02:17:58 PM  

The Thoroughbred of Sin: robohobo: AverageAmericanGuy: gerbilpox: AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.

You want yours without spit, don't you?

So my choice is either to give in to the extortion or suffer the consequences?

I think I'd rather take my business elsewhere.

Extortion is exactly what is is. Protection money at it's finest, because they can't be assed to get a real job. This whole tipping culture is farking ridiculous. If you rely on tips to live, you need a new job. This is why automation is a good thing, eventually they'll be replaced by smart robots, able to take everyones silly custom orders, and employees will be cut down to the guy who performs maintenance.

I tip just so the hard working kid behind the counter realizes not everyone is like you.  Got to give them hope for humanity.  Seriously those people take way to much sh*t in the course of a day.


It's a movie.
 
2013-06-27 02:33:25 PM  

meanmutton: The Thoroughbred of Sin: robohobo: AverageAmericanGuy: gerbilpox: AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.

You want yours without spit, don't you?

So my choice is either to give in to the extortion or suffer the consequences?

I think I'd rather take my business elsewhere.

Extortion is exactly what is is. Protection money at it's finest, because they can't be assed to get a real job. This whole tipping culture is farking ridiculous. If you rely on tips to live, you need a new job. This is why automation is a good thing, eventually they'll be replaced by smart robots, able to take everyones silly custom orders, and employees will be cut down to the guy who performs maintenance.

I tip just so the hard working kid behind the counter realizes not everyone is like you that.  Got to give them hope for humanity.  Seriously those people take way to much sh*t in the course of a day.

It's a movie.


huh, I missed the reference.  I retract the "you"  but I stand by my statement  because that attitude is very real and all to frequent.
 
2013-06-27 03:10:22 PM  

The Thoroughbred of Sin: meanmutton: The Thoroughbred of Sin: robohobo: AverageAmericanGuy: gerbilpox: AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.

You want yours without spit, don't you?

So my choice is either to give in to the extortion or suffer the consequences?

I think I'd rather take my business elsewhere.

Extortion is exactly what is is. Protection money at it's finest, because they can't be assed to get a real job. This whole tipping culture is farking ridiculous. If you rely on tips to live, you need a new job. This is why automation is a good thing, eventually they'll be replaced by smart robots, able to take everyones silly custom orders, and employees will be cut down to the guy who performs maintenance.

I tip just so the hard working kid behind the counter realizes not everyone is like you that.  Got to give them hope for humanity.  Seriously those people take way to much sh*t in the course of a day.

It's a movie.

huh, I missed the reference.  I retract the "you"  but I stand by my statement  because that attitude is very real and all to frequent.


Opening scene to Reservoir Dogs.  The gangsters are all sitting around having breakfast.  One of them picks up the tab for the meal, asks everyone else to kick in for the tip.  One guy refuses to tip and then goes on a rant.
 
2013-06-27 03:14:47 PM  

meanmutton: The Thoroughbred of Sin: robohobo: AverageAmericanGuy: gerbilpox: AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.

You want yours without spit, don't you?

So my choice is either to give in to the extortion or suffer the consequences?

I think I'd rather take my business elsewhere.

Extortion is exactly what is is. Protection money at it's finest, because they can't be assed to get a real job. This whole tipping culture is farking ridiculous. If you rely on tips to live, you need a new job. This is why automation is a good thing, eventually they'll be replaced by smart robots, able to take everyones silly custom orders, and employees will be cut down to the guy who performs maintenance.

I tip just so the hard working kid behind the counter realizes not everyone is like you.  Got to give them hope for humanity.  Seriously those people take way to much sh*t in the course of a day.

It's a movie.


That only cheap douchebags quote.
 
2013-06-27 03:32:40 PM  
TIPs are for industries that perform a service for you. Making me stand in line, order in a strange new language, stand around and wait so I can pick up my own coffee does not constitute a service, hence no tip. If they brought me my coffee there might be a start but no such love from Starbuck's.
 
2013-06-27 03:33:02 PM  

meanmutton: The Thoroughbred of Sin: meanmutton: The Thoroughbred of Sin: robohobo: AverageAmericanGuy: gerbilpox: AverageAmericanGuy: I'll help with Take a Penny, Leave a Penny, but I'll be goddamned if I tip some cashier for pouring me a cup of coffee.

You want yours without spit, don't you?

So my choice is either to give in to the extortion or suffer the consequences?

I think I'd rather take my business elsewhere.

Extortion is exactly what is is. Protection money at it's finest, because they can't be assed to get a real job. This whole tipping culture is farking ridiculous. If you rely on tips to live, you need a new job. This is why automation is a good thing, eventually they'll be replaced by smart robots, able to take everyones silly custom orders, and employees will be cut down to the guy who performs maintenance.

I tip just so the hard working kid behind the counter realizes not everyone is like you that.  Got to give them hope for humanity.  Seriously those people take way to much sh*t in the course of a day.

It's a movie.

huh, I missed the reference.  I retract the "you"  but I stand by my statement  because that attitude is very real and all to frequent.

Opening scene to Reservoir Dogs.  The gangsters are all sitting around having breakfast.  One of them picks up the tab for the meal, asks everyone else to kick in for the tip.  One guy refuses to tip and then goes on a rant.


Ahh I think I see the problem. I didnt mean to reply to you I meant to reply to robohobo
 
2013-06-27 04:08:52 PM  
To Insure Proper Service

/think about it
 
2013-06-27 04:29:02 PM  

redmid17: dukeblue219: tbhouston: tips?? on a $6 cup of coffee??

Starbucks doesn't sell a $6 "cup of coffee" that I'm aware of, nor do they mandate tips.  Most people don't tip at Starbucks and it's certainly nothing you should feel obligated to do. I don't like carrying a bunch of change with me on the way to work so if it's $3.34 for my drink I'm not going to be feel bad about dropping the $.66 in a jar.

Plus there's the fact that most Starbucks have regular staff and regular customers, so you're going to see the same few people every time you go in. Most of the employees know exactly what I drink and start it immediately, and they know my name and say hi. In return, I give them a tip every so often. It's called being a nice person, not extortion as one other poster said. The barista prepping your order is not going to spit in the coffee (they make it right in front of you) just because you didn't put some change in the jar over by the registers.

My girlfriend has managed to go north of $5, so I can't imagine it's impossible to hit a $6 coffee from them.



Yes, they sell $5 coffee drinks. They do not sell anything even close to $5 for a cup of coffee. If you want a cup of coffee it's like $2 or something.

IMHO the problem is that the coffee is "tweaked" to taste good in the $5 drinks. Black it tastes like burnt bitter shiat so generally I don't go to SB at all.
 
hej
2013-06-27 04:33:57 PM  

vento: If I'm sitting down and you're taking my order, bringing my order, and refilling my beverage, you get a tip.  If I stand in a line and you do nothing other than take my order and hand it to me after someone else makes it (as others have pointed out, this is exactly like McDonald's), then absolutely no tip.

I also see tip jars at Subway.  Seriously?

When did this country get all tip crazy?  Europe and the UK are *way* better at this than we are.


When the its service workers decided they liked getting extra money.
 
hej
2013-06-27 04:34:35 PM  

hej: When the its service workers decided they liked getting extra money.


-the
 
2013-06-27 04:49:12 PM  
I usually use the tip jar to dispose of any pennies or nickels I get as change. Otherwise they end up on my desk at home, where I'll eventually gather them up, put 'em in a plastic bag thinking I'll use them one day or roll them up and take them to the bank, which never happens.
 
2013-06-27 05:32:01 PM  

redmid17: Oh and sommeliers are full of shiat. http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2007/11/02/the-subjectivity-of-wine/


You mean wine snobs (foodies for drunkards) are full of sh*t.  Sommeliers (I was one, though I was actually the restaurant, lounge and bar manager in title, and I didn't have that ridiculous spoon) are well acquainted with the subjectivity of wine tastes.  You have to be able to read people while knowing your product (sort of) by heart.

The very few people who ever had a problem with any of my suggestions didn't know what "corked" meant and would offer bafflingly surreal descriptions about what they were tasting.

"I get a sense of kalamata olives and Baltic sea breeze, with a whiff of leather..."

"No you don't."

"The mouthfeel is tangy with a bit of copper..."

"No it isn't."

"And in the mid palate, I have wild strawberry."

"That's your Bubbleyum.  It's a one-note, overly buttery lower-shelf Sonoma chardonnay, and I think you may be having a stroke."
 
2013-06-27 05:37:59 PM  

redmid17: Cabbies/Strippers make less than minimum wage (in my experience). The rest actually do jobs more difficult than making drinks.


My point was that you were being simplistic about people for whom tipping isn't even customary.  Not that it matters.  Despite that the article is about supervisors pooling with servers at Starbucks (old story) the thread quickly became a Inowannatip vs yougotsatip game of dickswords.

Also, I've noticed that when there's an intuitive, common sense pool that's not rigid and that's left up to the service staff, it's an easy agreement and everybody's happier.
 
2013-06-27 06:11:27 PM  

runescorpio: Tipping as you order at a take out counter is common and usually gets you extras and free appetizers if there's a long wait.


How do the owners feel about staff taking bribes to give away the merchandise?
 
2013-06-27 06:13:50 PM  

wyltoknow: Unfair would be to give the one guy making your drink a tip when all the other workers are busy stocking his supplies, ringing up his customers, and keeping the lobby clean.


Absolutely. They should make a charge for the drinks, then share a proportion of that round all the staff. Maybe call it "wages".
 
2013-06-27 09:40:35 PM  

orbister: runescorpio: Tipping as you order at a take out counter is common and usually gets you extras and free appetizers if there's a long wait.

How do the owners feel about staff taking bribes to give away the merchandise?


This is allowed in most restaurants. It's called buybacks. Keeps customers happy and keeps them coming back. Giving away a plate of fries isn't going to break anyone. Most restaurants will let you know how many you can do a night.
 
2013-06-27 09:43:05 PM  

Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?


I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you haven't had to support yourself on minimum wage recently.
 
2013-06-28 02:10:44 AM  

hej: vento: If I'm sitting down and you're taking my order, bringing my order, and refilling my beverage, you get a tip.  If I stand in a line and you do nothing other than take my order and hand it to me after someone else makes it (as others have pointed out, this is exactly like McDonald's), then absolutely no tip.

I also see tip jars at Subway.  Seriously?

When did this country get all tip crazy?  Europe and the UK are *way* better at this than we are.

When the its service workers decided they liked getting extra money.


No.  When the state governments started to allow wait staff to be paid below minimum wage with the difference (supposedly) made up with tips.
 
2013-06-28 09:12:53 AM  
Who the fark tips a barista? Do you tip the fry station guy at McDonald's, too? Jesus. It's a fast food coffee chain, people...
 
2013-06-28 09:14:20 AM  

pueblonative: Gig103: I'll get the ball rolling here. Baristas already make minimum wage, so why are we tipping them?

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you haven't had to support yourself on minimum wage recently.


Do you tip all minimum wage food service drones?
 
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