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(Rolling Stone)   Pandora says Pink Floyd is full of shiat, hasn't done anything worth noting in over 35 years, so they should be happy to have people listen to their greatest hits on streaming sites and take what they can get   (rollingstone.com ) divider line
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2013-06-27 12:02:04 AM  
Pandora says Pink Floyd is full of shiatthe victim of  "a well-orchestrated campaign by the RIAA and their lobbying arm to mislead and agitate artists"

FTFSubmitter
 
2013-06-27 12:04:13 AM  
There's unlimited supply
And there is no reason why
I tell you it was all a frame
They only did it ''cause of fame
Who?
E.M.I.
 
2013-06-27 12:40:41 AM  
Pandora is pointing out how stupid modern copyright law is.  Pink Floyd's last album was, what, 20 years ago?  Late 90's, a friend and I went to the show.

Look at Yoko Ono.  Why is she still raking in riches her husband did 45+ years ago, long before he ever inserted his tab A into her slot B?

The problem is copyright laws and licensing, not Pandora.
 
2013-06-27 01:03:00 AM  
Pay Bo Diddley!
 
2013-06-27 01:15:02 AM  

Snotnose: Pandora is pointing out how stupid modern copyright law is.  Pink Floyd's last album was, what, 20 years ago?  Late 90's, a friend and I went to the show.

Look at Yoko Ono.  Why is she still raking in riches her husband did 45+ years ago, long before he ever inserted his tab A into her slot B?

The problem is copyright laws and licensing, not Pandora.


This.  My God, people who were conceived to Pink Floyd music now have children old enough to download Pink Floyd songs...
 
2013-06-27 03:05:42 AM  
If you do the math - comparing what Pink Floyd makes on, say, SiriusXM vs. what Pink Floyd makes on Pandora, it becomes clear that Pandora is over-paying by a wide margin, and further, that Pandora's market share is vastly overrated.
 
2013-06-27 04:58:41 AM  

Snotnose: Pandora is pointing out how stupid modern copyright law is.  Pink Floyd's last album was, what, 20 years ago?  Late 90's, a friend and I went to the show.

Look at Yoko Ono.  Why is she still raking in riches her husband did 45+ years ago, long before he ever inserted his tab A into her slot B?

The problem is copyright laws and licensing, not Pandora.


So Pandora is asking why can't they make money like the family of the IP creators make money?
 
2013-06-27 05:22:21 AM  
Um, it's called torrenting flacs.
 
2013-06-27 05:47:56 AM  
I bought a cassette tape of "Atom Heart Mother" at a Goodwill. Am I a bad person?
 
2013-06-27 05:53:24 AM  
What Pandora should do is instead of playing individual songs to individual users, they should rather chunk up the users and play 10,000 of them the same song at the same time, thus reducing the number of "plays" they do by 10,000 and according to the logic of those comparing the cost of a radio play vs Pandora play without factoring in how many are listening they would cut down their costs to the artists to 0.001% of what it currently is.

/actually don't listen to either radio or Pandora, I just buy CDs and rip them, so it doesn't really affect me directly, I just don't like the bad logic/maths/comparisons involved.
 
2013-06-27 06:04:01 AM  
Best. Headline. Everrrrrr.
 
2013-06-27 06:58:14 AM  
Gawd. Worst band ever.

/seriously
//not trolling
 
2013-06-27 07:16:16 AM  
"They didn't make that music...somebody else ran the sound board ...somebody built the keyboard and mic's..
Did they get paid royalties over the last twenty years ?  Fark no .  If you cut me do I not bleed..."
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

Obama Defence.
 
2013-06-27 07:17:05 AM  
Looks at headline, mentally calculates how long ago Animals was released, agrees in principle.
Pink Floyd did two great albums and two very good albums - DSotM & The Wall were very good, WYWH & Animals were great. In my book great is better than very good.
I'm not counting the first two albums as that was a different band, and the other albums before DSotM while good were not light-your-brain-on-fire-with-music good.
 
2013-06-27 07:42:30 AM  

YoOjo: Looks at headline, mentally calculates how long ago Animals was released, agrees in principle.
Pink Floyd did two great albums and two very good albums - DSotM & The Wall were very good, WYWH & Animals were great. In my book great is better than very good.
I'm not counting the first two albums as that was a different band, and the other albums before DSotM while good were not light-your-brain-on-fire-with-music good.


This.  Personally, I'd add Meddle to the "great" list, but that's just my opinion.  Pink Floyd got "mediocre" after they got really big.
 
2013-06-27 07:51:56 AM  

ModernLuddite: I bought a cassette tape of "Atom Heart Mother" at a Goodwill. Am I a bad person?


Yes you are. That's stealing.

Anything the RIAA doesn't make money is considered stealing.

Listening to a mix tape? That's stealing.
Finding an old 45 at a vintage story? That's stealing.
Masturbating to a Carly Simon album cover? That's stealing.
Watching Wendy Davis filibuster instead of listening to RIAA-approved music? That's stealing.
 
2013-06-27 07:52:02 AM  
Pink Floyd needs to bloody well release their songs for Rocksmith.
 
2013-06-27 07:53:25 AM  
True words, that goes for all the other "classic" rock acts too.

/DNRTFA
//I know subby is being sarcastic
 
2013-06-27 07:53:50 AM  

OtherLittleGuy:
Finding an old 45 at a vintage story store? That's stealing.

Not checking your message thoroughly in Preview? That's stealing.

/going for more coffee? That's stealing.

 
2013-06-27 07:54:33 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: ModernLuddite: I bought a cassette tape of "Atom Heart Mother" at a Goodwill. Am I a bad person?

Yes you are. That's stealing.

Anything the RIAA doesn't make money is considered stealing.

Listening to a mix tape? That's stealing.
Finding an old 45 at a vintage story? That's stealing.
Masturbating to a Carly Simon album cover? That's stealing.
Watching Wendy Davis filibuster instead of listening to RIAA-approved music? That's stealing.


Walk past a bird that randomly chirps two bars of a Lady Gaga song?  That's stealing
 
2013-06-27 07:58:11 AM  
If Pink Floyd were as worthless as the Pandora folks want to make it sound, why were they and Spotify stepping over themselves to promote the fact that they were now playing their music?
 
2013-06-27 08:02:14 AM  
I dunno, A Momentary Lapse of Reason was pretty good. Has that been 35 years ago already?
 
2013-06-27 08:10:58 AM  
If you could go onto Pandora and type in "Pink Floyd, Learning to Fly" and listen to it, then they would owe the bands much higher royalties. That's not what Pandora is for. It's a portal for discovering new music. The songs are the advertisements. I have learned about several new artists and gone out to buy their CDs after they appeared on a station for a band that I like.
 
2013-06-27 08:11:29 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: Masturbating to a Carly Simon album cover?


I already told you once to stop looking in my windows at night.
 
2013-06-27 08:12:57 AM  

PainInTheASP: YoOjo: Looks at headline, mentally calculates how long ago Animals was released, agrees in principle.
Pink Floyd did two great albums and two very good albums - DSotM & The Wall were very good, WYWH & Animals were great. In my book great is better than very good.
I'm not counting the first two albums as that was a different band, and the other albums before DSotM while good were not light-your-brain-on-fire-with-music good.

This.  Personally, I'd add Meddle to the "great" list, but that's just my opinion.  Pink Floyd got "mediocre" after they got really big.


You didn't like Division Bell? I love that album. And Learning to Fly is probably the best single song they ever recorded, and it came out in, what, the late 80s?
 
2013-06-27 08:24:22 AM  
As much as I love Pink Floyd and the Beatles there really needs to be an upper limit to copyright and residuals.  On the other hand, I don't want see the songs sampled in crappy music and commercials so there is that side of the argument.  I get a kick hearing 'back to Ohio' on Rush and 'Let freedom ring' on Hannity considering neither artist or the content of the songs chosen agree with either host.

Speaking of samples, has there been a recent change in radio bumper music samples?  One of the morning shows was making a big deal about 30 seconds and griping like it was a new law.
 
2013-06-27 08:25:16 AM  

stoli n coke: If Pink Floyd were as worthless as the Pandora folks want to make it sound, why were they and Spotify stepping over themselves to promote the fact that they were now playing their music?


I think Pink Floyd actually wrote a song about why
 
2013-06-27 08:27:01 AM  

freddie freeloader: OtherLittleGuy: Masturbating to a Carly Simon album cover?

I already told you once to stop looking in my windows at night.


And you didn't use protection either, which is why you kept finding 45s you didn't know you had all over the place.
 
2013-06-27 08:28:06 AM  

Tommy Moo: If you could go onto Pandora and type in "Pink Floyd, Learning to Fly" and listen to it, then they would owe the bands much higher royalties. That's not what Pandora is for. It's a portal for discovering new music. The songs are the advertisements. I have learned about several new artists and gone out to buy their CDs after they appeared on a station for a band that I like.


THIS.

They even have handy buttons on the iPhone app that let you buy the song from iTunes with minimal right then and there, something that you certainly can't do while listening to lower royalty payout songs on your car radio.
 
2013-06-27 08:29:13 AM  

Tommy Moo: If you could go onto Pandora and type in "Pink Floyd, Learning to Fly" and listen to it, then they would owe the bands much higher royalties. That's not what Pandora is for. It's a portal for discovering new music. The songs are the advertisements. I have learned about several new artists and gone out to buy their CDs after they appeared on a station for a band that I like.


Same here.  These artists, and the RIAA, have not embraced the modernization of music purchasing and listening.  It no longer matters if an artist has a great album, as long there are a couple songs worth buying.  iTunes has changed the way people buy music and I would say that Pandora has contributed to that with the methodology they use to play music on 'stations'.

Back in the day artists would sell millions of copies of their albums but now, the weekly charts show the best sellers at, what, 300k on a good week?  But if you look at individual song sales, I would bet they are higher for released songs.
 
2013-06-27 08:33:33 AM  
Hey subby, if you were looking for somebody to notice that you very specifically slammed The Wall in your headline, I'll go ahead and be that guy. It's not my favorite of theirs by any stretch, so whatever, though.

YoOjo: I'm not counting the first two albums as that was a different band


Piper at the Gates of Dawn is definitely "a different band" (Barrett), but you do realize that Barrett was well on his way out for Saucerful of Secrets, only wrote one of the songs ("Jugband Blues") and was only around to record for two other ones? Roger Waters and Rick Wright wrote pretty much the whole thing and David Gilmour played on most of it. Personally, i think "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" is one of the best things they ever did, for what that's worth.
 
2013-06-27 08:43:43 AM  

stoli n coke: If Pink Floyd were as worthless as the Pandora folks want to make it sound, why were they and Spotify stepping over themselves to promote the fact that they were now playing their music?


Because this is a financial negotiating and both sides will engage in puffery to get the most out of it for themselves. It would be like walking into a used car dealership and telling the salesman - "That care out there is amazing, I would pay literally anything to own it!".
 
2013-06-27 08:44:22 AM  
I don't use Pandora because I actually like listening to full albums from bands that can produce coherent albums, but I presume it's about radio quality? CD re-masters are one thing but over on iTunes they have better than CD quality tracks that I think are often worth paying for.

Oh, and does anyone know if the iTunes version of Californication was well mastered? The CD was a victim of the loudness war and has crap dynamic range. I'd swear the music video had better dynamic range than the CD version.
 
kab
2013-06-27 08:51:26 AM  

Tommy Moo: That's not what Pandora is for. It's a portal for discovering new music.


Given their restrictions for being on Pandora in the first place, it's actually a rather poor portal.
 
2013-06-27 08:52:58 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: Pink Floyd needs to bloody well release their songs for Rocksmith.


Head over to  http://www.smithyanvil.com/ and check out the forums.  There are hundreds of user-created custom songs for Rocksmith there, including quite a few Pink Floyd songs.
 
2013-06-27 08:58:17 AM  

OtherLittleGuy: ModernLuddite: I bought a cassette tape of "Atom Heart Mother" at a Goodwill. Am I a bad person?

Yes you are. That's stealing.

Anything the RIAA doesn't make money is considered stealing.

Listening to a mix tape? That's stealing.
Finding an old 45 at a vintage story? That's stealing.
Masturbating to a Carly Simon album cover? That's stealing.
Watching Wendy Davis filibuster instead of listening to RIAA-approved music? That's stealing.


blondesearch.ru
 
2013-06-27 09:07:33 AM  
I have no idea how these streaming sites make any money. The majority of ads I hear on Spotify are for Spotify.
 
ecl
2013-06-27 09:15:48 AM  
Animals is a great album.
 
2013-06-27 09:24:02 AM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: OtherLittleGuy: ModernLuddite: I bought a cassette tape of "Atom Heart Mother" at a Goodwill. Am I a bad person?

Yes you are. That's stealing.

Anything the RIAA doesn't make money is considered stealing.

Listening to a mix tape? That's stealing.
Finding an old 45 at a vintage story? That's stealing.
Masturbating to a Carly Simon album cover? That's stealing.
Watching Wendy Davis filibuster instead of listening to RIAA-approved music? That's stealing.

Walk past a bird that randomly chirps two bars of a Lady Gaga song?  That's stealing


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2013-06-27 09:28:33 AM  

abhorrent1: Gawd. Worst band ever.

/seriously
//not trolling


I would like to agree, but I feel like I haven't given them a fair shot. Every song I hear I'm either asleep in a minute or end up turning it.

/one of those older bands I will never understand
 
2013-06-27 09:31:28 AM  

firesign: Hey subby, if you were looking for somebody to notice that you very specifically slammed The Wall in your headline, I'll go ahead and be that guy. It's not my favorite of theirs by any stretch, so whatever, though.

YoOjo: I'm not counting the first two albums as that was a different band

Piper at the Gates of Dawn is definitely "a different band" (Barrett), but you do realize that Barrett was well on his way out for Saucerful of Secrets, only wrote one of the songs ("Jugband Blues") and was only around to record for two other ones? Roger Waters and Rick Wright wrote pretty much the whole thing and David Gilmour played on most of it. Personally, i think "Set the Controls for the Heart of the Sun" is one of the best things they ever did, for what that's worth.


Yes, aware of the comparative lack of Syd on SoS. It's still very much a different band to the (general opinion) 'Classic' PF of the mid-seventies though. I guess to be clearer I'll follow your lead and say that Piper was a different band and the albums between (and inclusive of) SoS to Meddle were a band in transition.
I love elements of those transition albums, but unlike the classic four (DSotM - The Wall) there are missed opportunities and 'bad' tracks. For every Granchester Meadows or Fearless there are the likes of  Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast, which is fine, but detracts from making those albums perfect.
I didn't like anything after The Wall, possibly as The Wall was the first PF album I bought at the time of release, so everything after that was something I experienced upon release too, maybe if I were discovering them years after release they would have impressed me more but when they came out I was under-whelmed, and remain so.
Pink Floyd are a good band but with a strange career, a very, very strong opener, then quite a few slow years, a burst of brilliance in the mid-seventies, then a quite normal decline. The slow years intrigue me, I doubt many bands today would be allowed to release so many 'difficult third albums' before striking gold again.
/all just my opinion, and it's 'only' art... :-)
 
2013-06-27 09:37:04 AM  

Snotnose: Pandora is pointing out how stupid modern copyright law is.  Pink Floyd's last album was, what, 20 years ago?  Late 90's, a friend and I went to the show.

Look at Yoko Ono.  Why is she still raking in riches her husband did 45+ years ago, long before he ever inserted his tab A into her slot B?

The problem is copyright laws and licensing, not Pandora.


Except that these people are still alive. If their music is still being played, then they deserve their cut. It doesn't matter when their last album is, if it gets played, they get paid. Jesus, how hard is that to comprehend?

And the problem is someone who wants to make money off of bands, but not pay them what they're owed. If the music is so obsolete, then Pandora shouldn't be streaming it. If they feel it is relevant enough to stream, then they need to feel that it's relevant enough to pay for.
 
2013-06-27 09:39:46 AM  

Stinger: Tyrone Slothrop: Pink Floyd needs to bloody well release their songs for Rocksmith.

Head over to  http://www.smithyanvil.com/ and check out the forums.  There are hundreds of user-created custom songs for Rocksmith there, including quite a few Pink Floyd songs.


Oh, I know; but it would be great if there were official versions of the songs, and PF would make money off of it.
 
2013-06-27 09:48:52 AM  

thecpt: abhorrent1: Gawd. Worst band ever.

/seriously
//not trolling

I would like to agree, but I feel like I haven't given them a fair shot. Every song I hear I'm either asleep in a minute or end up turning it.

/one of those older bands I will never understand


both of these posts make no sense to me
 
2013-06-27 09:49:06 AM  
...you shout and no one seems to hear.
 
2013-06-27 09:59:11 AM  

abhorrent1: Gawd. Worst band ever.

/seriously
//not trolling


Yes, you are trolling. Not trolling would sound like: "I don't like them."
And now hopefully you'll see what a useless comment that was, put a little more effort into it next time.
 
2013-06-27 10:08:13 AM  
I'm going to chime in with others that Pandora is hit or miss

I use Slacker Radio and have better luck with getting a good mix of stuff I like to listen too
 
2013-06-27 10:17:39 AM  

xria: Because this is a financial negotiating and both sides will engage in puffery to get the most out of it for themselves.


It will come as a heavy blow, but they'll sort the matter out
 
2013-06-27 10:18:57 AM  

Mikey1969: And the problem is someone who wants to make money off of bands, but not pay them what they're owed. If the music is so obsolete, then Pandora shouldn't be streaming it. If they feel it is relevant enough to stream, then they need to feel that it's relevant enough to pay for.


I must have missed the part where Pandora said they should get the music for free.
 
2013-06-27 10:24:45 AM  

PainInTheASP: YoOjo: Looks at headline, mentally calculates how long ago Animals was released, agrees in principle.
Pink Floyd did two great albums and two very good albums - DSotM & The Wall were very good, WYWH & Animals were great. In my book great is better than very good.
I'm not counting the first two albums as that was a different band, and the other albums before DSotM while good were not light-your-brain-on-fire-with-music good.

This.  Personally, I'd add Meddle to the "great" list, but that's just my opinion.  Pink Floyd got "mediocre" after they got really big.


Animals is *not* a great album. It's a very good album that hipsters love to profess their love for because the long tracks never get played on the commercial radio. It's debatable whether it's even better than The Wall (it's not). Might not even be better than The Final Cut, though anger and defiance sells better than depression and resignation.

Their two best Pink Floyd albums with Roger Waters are Dark Side of the Moon and Wish You Were Here.
 
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