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(Car and Driver)   Audi has apparently figured out how to store electricity from solar and wind, come up with a practical carbon neutral sequestration technique, AND replace petroleum based fuel for cars all in one shot. Behold the non-electric electric car   (blog.caranddriver.com) divider line 113
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2013-06-26 06:44:44 PM
Things like this are potential game hangers.
Many times I see wind farms at idle, just because demand is not there at the moment.
If you have a net gaIn on energy consumed to produce, labor and infrastructure costs and projected future demand, it would seem to be a no brainer.
 
2013-06-26 07:02:43 PM
They finally figured out electrolysis, huh?  I was wondering when we'd figure that out.
 
2013-06-26 07:06:59 PM

Honest Bender: They finally figured out electrolysis, huh?  I was wondering when we'd figure that out.


Not hydrogen fuel cells but some sort of compressed artifical gas
 
2013-06-26 07:15:52 PM

MorteDiem: Many times I see wind farms at idle, just because demand is not there at the moment.


That's not why they're at idle, if there's wind they spin unless they're stopped for maintenance or some other reason unrelated to demand.
 
2013-06-26 08:22:35 PM
It will be very interesting to see how this works out.
 
2013-06-26 08:33:45 PM

MorteDiem: Things like this are potential game hangers.
Many times I see wind farms at idle, just because demand is not there at the moment.
If you have a net gaIn on energy consumed to produce, labor and infrastructure costs and projected future demand, it would seem to be a no brainer.


Why not put a wind turbine on a car.  If a car is in motion, wind is created, which powers the car, which keeps in motion, which generates wind, which...

Of course, this presents problems when driving in reverse.
 
2013-06-26 08:36:08 PM
To hell with that... I want to see a mildly de-riced version of that Mugen modified CR-Z.

blog.caranddriver.com  

http://blog.caranddriver.com/2013-honda-cr-z-mugen-rz-better-than-th e- original/
 
2013-06-26 09:10:34 PM
So why hasn't there been more of an effort to get cars to run on Natural Gas?
A car that has been converted to Natural Gas can run on either gasoline or Natural Gas, the conversion kit will pay for itself after a couple of years, and you can fill-up at home.
 
2013-06-26 09:41:22 PM
This involves reacting the hydrogen with CO2 to create synthetic methane, which is virtually the same as good old CH4

This made me laugh at the writer.
 
2013-06-26 10:41:46 PM

minoridiot: So why hasn't there been more of an effort to get cars to run on Natural Gas?


Because awl bidness, partner.
 
2013-06-26 10:56:31 PM
Vorsprung durch technik.
 
2013-06-26 10:57:35 PM

Sliding Carp: minoridiot: So why hasn't there been more of an effort to get cars to run on Natural Gas?

Because awl bidness, partner.


There is.  Just that it's in Iran and Pakistan and not the US.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/business/energy-environment/to-low er -pollution-iran-becomes-a-natural-gas-leader.html?_r=0
 
2013-06-26 11:00:51 PM
Cars and trucks that run on natural gas are not uncommon in Okla.
 
2013-06-26 11:01:55 PM

basemetal: Cars and trucks that run on natural gas are not uncommon in Okla.


Yes but Audi made the natural gas out of the wind.
 
2013-06-26 11:13:18 PM

brandent: basemetal: Cars and trucks that run on natural gas are not uncommon in Okla.

Yes but Audi made the natural gas out of the wind.


Whereas I make wind out of natural gas.
 
2013-06-26 11:14:30 PM

MorteDiem: Many times I see wind farms at idle, just because demand is not there at the moment.


Only because companies are trying to save on cooling cost and figure personal fans would be more effective.
 
2013-06-26 11:19:44 PM
But can it go very fast, or very far?

kukis.org
 
2013-06-26 11:25:08 PM
It runs entirely on "surplus green electricity".

Which comes from...?
 
2013-06-26 11:27:37 PM
Does it depend on some exotic reactants or catalysts?
 
2013-06-26 11:31:23 PM
810 miles without stopping for a potty break is impressive, but being an Audi the question is how many times in that 810 miles you have to get it repaired.
 
2013-06-26 11:32:10 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Does it depend on some exotic reactants or catalysts?


Probably. Every other one I've read about does. If it didn't, they would have hyped it.
 
2013-06-26 11:43:11 PM

inntheory: 810 miles without stopping for a potty break is impressive, but being an Audi the question is how many times in that 810 miles you have to get it repaired.


Just once. It will cost you your life savings.
 
2013-06-26 11:45:56 PM
Audi rocks

Love my Q5 redline
 
2013-06-26 11:47:09 PM

MorteDiem: Things like this are potential game hangers.


di1-2.shoppingshadow.com

I don't see how
 
2013-06-26 11:47:35 PM
I've known how to store lots of wind for years....
 
2013-06-26 11:48:09 PM

Barfmaker: MorteDiem: Many times I see wind farms at idle, just because demand is not there at the moment.

That's not why they're at idle, if there's wind they spin unless they're stopped for maintenance or some other reason unrelated to demand.


Such as too strong winds
 
2013-06-26 11:48:45 PM

SpdrJay: I've known how to store lots of wind for years....


Taco Bell is the industry leader in such technology
 
2013-06-26 11:51:17 PM

Wrencher: Quantum Apostrophe: Does it depend on some exotic reactants or catalysts?

Probably. Every other one I've read about does. If it didn't, they would have hyped it.


Hmm. Figures. Let's hope this can scale a bit, hydrogen as a battery is brain dead from the start. CH4 is a much better idea from the physical reality/practical engineering perspective. We still need to pump cheap electricity into this thing though.
 
2013-06-27 12:05:57 AM

inntheory: 810 miles without stopping for a potty break is impressive, but being an Audi the question is how many times in that 810 miles you have to get it repaired.


You're thinking Mercedes. Audi just has the dubious honor of selling cars to people that drive like c*cks. Going Eco this way will just raise the smug level, so they'll be selling them to smug c*cks.
 
2013-06-27 12:07:36 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Wrencher: Quantum Apostrophe: Does it depend on some exotic reactants or catalysts?

Probably. Every other one I've read about does. If it didn't, they would have hyped it.

Hmm. Figures. Let's hope this can scale a bit, hydrogen as a battery is brain dead from the start. CH4 is a much better idea from the physical reality/practical engineering perspective. We still need to pump cheap electricity into this thing though.


According to TFA, it's "free" electricity... excess that can't be stored.  Storage is one of the more problematic issues with green energy, it's cool to see that people are finding ways to utilize it.
 
2013-06-27 12:18:50 AM
Seems like a hell of a lot of work just to not be a typical electric car, for no good reason.
 
2013-06-27 12:20:06 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Seems like a hell of a lot of work just to not be a typical electric car, for no good reason.


A. carbon neutral?
B. huge range compared to an electric car?
 
2013-06-27 12:23:48 AM

jaytkay: It runs entirely on "surplus green electricity".

Which comes from...?



It's such a mystery where Germany, the world's top photovoltaics installer who generates 8% of its total power needs from wind turbines, would get surplus green energy from. The world may never know.
 
2013-06-27 12:29:58 AM
Electrolysis and Sabatier aren't anything new. The question here is price: Have they discovered economies that make this stuff comparable to the methane we get from fossil sources?
 
2013-06-27 12:31:38 AM

mongbiohazard: It's such a mystery where Germany, the world's top photovoltaics installer who generates 8% of its total power needs from wind turbines, would get surplus green energy from. The world may never know.


Thanks for the snotty contemptuous response. You should pump your fist in the air and yell, "In your face!"

/ You probably did that already
 
2013-06-27 12:32:36 AM

timujin: Quantum Apostrophe: Wrencher: Quantum Apostrophe: Does it depend on some exotic reactants or catalysts?

Probably. Every other one I've read about does. If it didn't, they would have hyped it.

Hmm. Figures. Let's hope this can scale a bit, hydrogen as a battery is brain dead from the start. CH4 is a much better idea from the physical reality/practical engineering perspective. We still need to pump cheap electricity into this thing though.

According to TFA, it's "free" electricity... excess that can't be stored.  Storage is one of the more problematic issues with green energy, it's cool to see that people are finding ways to utilize it.


Whenever I hear things like TFA, I'm always suspicious that it's just a ploy to get tax breaks somehow, à la Marriott...

http://money.cnn.com/2003/05/02/news/companies/marriott_fuel/index.h tm

That was not designed to actually be a viable full-scale "synthetic fuel" operation...
 
2013-06-27 12:36:01 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Whenever I hear things like TFA, I'm always suspicious


memecrunch.com
 
2013-06-27 12:36:42 AM
This would never be remotely economical in the US. Flatulent 'mericans and fracking fracking have given us Nat gas trading around $4 per MMBtu. shiat massive amounts of the stuff just get flared off because its not worth the cost and hassle of building a pipeline to bring it to market, liquifying it, or droping a generator on the oil well and tying it to the grid. As you might geuss if anything we are trying to turn Nat gas into electricity here not the other way.
Interesting fact your $4 gallon of gasoline has about 110,000 btu. Its 9 times as expensive as Nat gas per btu. A better use of wind power would be running an LNG compressor.
 
2013-06-27 12:38:37 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Quantum Apostrophe: Whenever I hear things like TFA, I'm always suspicious

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Would you prefer I simply accept anything I hear at face value and clutch to the ideas as if my life depended on them?
 
2013-06-27 12:45:28 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Quantum Apostrophe: Whenever I hear things like TFA, I'm always suspicious

[memecrunch.com image 500x375]

Would you prefer I simply accept anything I hear at face value and clutch to the ideas as if my life depended on them?


This is not a binary problem.
 
2013-06-27 12:46:03 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Quantum Apostrophe: Whenever I hear things like TFA, I'm always suspicious

[memecrunch.com image 500x375]

Would you prefer I simply accept anything I hear at face value and clutch to the ideas as if my life depended on them?


That's un'merican talk there boy.
 
2013-06-27 12:46:17 AM

Cucullen: This would never be remotely economical in the US...Nat gas trading around $4 per MMBtu


You are betting fossil fuel costs never change?
 
2013-06-27 12:53:40 AM
Also to further enlighten, lot of gas getting flared contains sulfur compounds. You can legally flare it, but not burn it in your car. As stupid as that sounds its actually OK because it would seriously fark up lots of expensive shiat in the process if you tried.
 
2013-06-27 12:54:27 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Quantum Apostrophe: The All-Powerful Atheismo: Quantum Apostrophe: Whenever I hear things like TFA, I'm always suspicious

[memecrunch.com image 500x375]

Would you prefer I simply accept anything I hear at face value and clutch to the ideas as if my life depended on them?

This is not a binary problem.


Ah, OK, so maybe ideas I find personally pleasing I'll just accept with no question. Everything else, though...
 
2013-06-27 12:56:50 AM

I_Am_Weasel: MorteDiem: Things like this are potential game hangers.
Many times I see wind farms at idle, just because demand is not there at the moment.
If you have a net gaIn on energy consumed to produce, labor and infrastructure costs and projected future demand, it would seem to be a no brainer.

Why not put a wind turbine on a car.  If a car is in motion, wind is created, which powers the car, which keeps in motion, which generates wind, which...

Of course, this presents problems when driving in reverse.


Excellent, I'm a huge fan of troll physics.
 
2013-06-27 12:57:59 AM

jaytkay: It runs entirely on "surplus green electricity".

Which comes from...?


Unused spinning reserve, generally hydro-electric.
 
2013-06-27 12:59:35 AM

jaytkay: Cucullen: This would never be remotely economical in the US...Nat gas trading around $4 per MMBtu

You are betting fossil fuel costs never change?


Heh, take your $10k to NYMEX and dump it on Nat. Gas futures at 9 times the going rate. I'm sure you could get a good price. That's not a bet I would take tho.
 
2013-06-27 01:05:08 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: J. Frank Parnell: Seems like a hell of a lot of work just to not be a typical electric car, for no good reason.

A. carbon neutral?
B. huge range compared to an electric car?


If i'm ever being pursued and need to drive 250 miles without stopping at all it might be handy. Otherwise current electric are fine, and the range between recharges is growing constantly.

/don't even get me started on carbon neutrality
 
2013-06-27 01:14:00 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: MorteDiem: Things like this are potential game hangers.

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I don't see how


www.elpaisdeloshorrores.com

Sees what you did there.
 
2013-06-27 01:22:45 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Ah, OK, so maybe ideas I find personally pleasing I'll just accept with no question. Everything else, though...


You do that already.
 
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