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2013-06-26 05:22:23 PM  
You can add 2 years to high school and it wouldn't make a difference. They're not really out to educate anyone. They're there to give standardization tests to ensure than everyone has the absolute bare minimum of what they need to know to pass whatever test of the year they need to pass.

The problem isn't how many years but what type of content is being learned. When you dumb down the curriculum to meet the lowest common student you're essentially wasting the time of the other 75%. As long as they pass those tests though the school leadership can get their bonuses!
 
2013-06-26 05:22:27 PM  
Does Ontario still have Grade 13?
 
2013-06-26 05:22:43 PM  
No thank you 4 was enough for me.
 
2013-06-26 05:23:02 PM  
A lot of kids go to high school for 5 years.  They're called idiots.
 
2013-06-26 05:25:05 PM  

AgentKGB: Does Ontario still have Grade 13?


No, not for many years now.

CSB: I was actually in the final year of Grade 13 in Ontario. I turned out ok. It was nice being able to legally drink the first day of university.
 
2013-06-26 05:26:22 PM  
They already have a 5th year of high school. It's called the 1st year of college.
 
2013-06-26 05:26:25 PM  

xynix: The problem isn't how many years but what type of content is being learned. When you dumb down the curriculum to meet the lowest common student you're essentially wasting the time of the other 75%.


So. Much. This.  High school (and most of my first two years of college) were such an exercise in trying to stay awake.
 
2013-06-26 05:29:51 PM  

groppet: No thank you 4 was enough for me.


Pretty much what I was thinking
 
2013-06-26 05:29:55 PM  
A lot of people take 7 years to graduate.
 
2013-06-26 05:30:40 PM  
I wasn't bored in high school, but then I took as many AP and Honors classes as I felt I could stomach.  Not to mention creative writing and acting electives.

I liked college too.  Maybe I was a strange adolescent.
 
2013-06-26 05:31:19 PM  

Launch Code: They already have a 5th year of high school. It's called the 1st year of college.


That's where it could come in handy. Having a standard core of subjects that would make a degree only take three years would make a college education far more affordable.

Not that universities want to make things more affordable....
 
2013-06-26 05:31:21 PM  

Keeve: A lot of people take 7 years to graduate.


That would have made a little more sense with the Tommy Boy scene I tried to attach.
 
2013-06-26 05:31:41 PM  
I took a fifth year of high school.  It was called "Junior College" and I had to earn money in order to do it.
 
2013-06-26 05:32:43 PM  
Obvious tag held back a year?
 
2013-06-26 05:32:55 PM  
Seriously?  Add a year?  I honestly think we could cut out a year and get roughly the same outcomes.  Pretty much everyone is either in college mode or checked out by senior year anyway.
 
2013-06-26 05:33:45 PM  
Can we please stop pretending that we even care?
 
2013-06-26 05:34:17 PM  
I strongly urge anyone that has a friend or family member starting high school to implore the kid to just skip high school. Seriously. Get the GED and just go to college.

Smartest guy I know was a 16 year old freshman when I was a 25 year old "retread" going back to school (I bailed out of engineering but was much happier in management information systems). Dude works for some sort of government agency that he doesn't talk about much and is into cryptocurrencies.

The first couple of years of college are something that any reasonably bright twelve year old could handle, academically.
 
2013-06-26 05:34:19 PM  

Keeve: Keeve: A lot of people take 7 years to graduate.

That would have made a little more sense with the Tommy Boy scene I tried to attach.


No no.  In my head I went right there and was gonna finish it, but no need now.
 
2013-06-26 05:35:25 PM  
"Fifth year of school would provide more money for graft and cronyism to local school official across the country"

That's what it's really about. The problems with public education in this country are caused by incompetent and corrupt school districts. Period. We don't need LESS federal control over education, we need MORE federal control. Right now, local school districts are "invisible", politically-speaking, and they get away with unbelievable bullshiat, because nobody really pays attention to what the school boards are up to. That kind of sneaking-around isn't as easy to do at the federal level. Too many people are watching what the feds are up to.
 
2013-06-26 05:36:09 PM  

xynix: The problem isn't how many years but what type of content is being learned. When you dumb down the curriculum to meet the lowest common student you're essentially wasting the time of the other 75%. As long as they pass those tests though the school leadership can get their bonuses!


In many many western school systems they *kick out* the kids at 15, and only the smart 'half' get to take the last three years, ensuring that they go at a REAL speed and don't squander dollars. The lower half gets to go to trade and art schools, which does very well for many of them (Pink Floyd met at one such school, David Bowie attended one too).

I wonder what would happen if they had to 'remove' the bottom-performing 20% of students every year in June, starting at age 8th grade? at the start of ninth grade, you're have (instead of 100 inductees at 8th grade) 80 students. At the start of 10th grade, 64. At the start of 11th, you'd have 52 students.
 
2013-06-26 05:36:32 PM  
High school is a waste of time on many levels. Get your GED or state approved high school proficiency exam by 15, then save yourself a load of money working and going to cheap junior/community college the first two years, then transfer to a four year university and graduate. That last part is all your employer will care about. Ta-da!
 
2013-06-26 05:37:51 PM  
Reordering the school year so there is a shorter summer break but longer breaks during the school year might be a better way to do it.

Why we still base the school year on agrarian standards is beyond me.

The tourism industry will biatch and moan, but come on guys, the time between Thanksgiving and the New Year off as winter break, and two weeks during spring break, and 8 weeks in the summer.  You'll thank me for the boost in revenue later.
 
2013-06-26 05:38:36 PM  
Oh, to be young and stupid again.... And also a robot.

I'm undeniably in support of giving high schoolers one more year to develop their skills, achieve more of their many goals and to discover the never-ending possibilities of their future.

You don't have to stop working towards your goals once you exit high school...

The reality is that four years is much too little time for many students to do all that they would like to.

That's what college is for, dipshiat.
 
2013-06-26 05:38:37 PM  

blatz514: A lot of kids go to high school for 5 years.  They're called idiots.


Anymore, you need a act of congress to hold a kid back in school; most public schools choose to either pass the buck or "encourage" the student in question to drop out.

/ frankly, school isn't for everybody. If it were up to me, I'd allow 16 yearolds to drop out; get the kids that don't want to learn out of the classroom.
 
2013-06-26 05:38:47 PM  

Witness99: High school is a waste of time on many levels. Get your GED or state approved high school proficiency exam by 15, then save yourself a load of money working and going to cheap junior/community college the first two years, then transfer to a four year university and graduate. That last part is all your employer will care about. Ta-da!


Or just print up your own diploma to carry with you to job interviews. :)
 
2013-06-26 05:39:36 PM  
Just make the fifth year optional. Kinds who don't give a damn can just graduate their 4th year with a basic diploma. While the students who are actually there to learn, or want go on to college can stick around for that fifth year as sort of a 'college prep'.  Of course they'd have to maintain a certain GPA to be allowed to stay.
 
2013-06-26 05:40:46 PM  

rubi_con_man: xynix: The problem isn't how many years but what type of content is being learned. When you dumb down the curriculum to meet the lowest common student you're essentially wasting the time of the other 75%. As long as they pass those tests though the school leadership can get their bonuses!

In many many western school systems they *kick out* the kids at 15, and only the smart 'half' get to take the last three years, ensuring that they go at a REAL speed and don't squander dollars. The lower half gets to go to trade and art schools, which does very well for many of them (Pink Floyd met at one such school, David Bowie attended one too).

I wonder what would happen if they had to 'remove' the bottom-performing 20% of students every year in June, starting at age 8th grade? at the start of ninth grade, you're have (instead of 100 inductees at 8th grade) 80 students. At the start of 10th grade, 64 60. At the start of 11th, you'd have 52 40 students.


FTFY

/Hey, why are there thugs here from the Board of Ed, saying something about "Adhesive Manufacturing Tech"?
 
2013-06-26 05:41:12 PM  
I aced a couple of AP exams but failed the classes. Honestly I wish that the idiot teachers (in general) had just held me back a grade. I had no trouble learning the material but I was very lazy and it was obvious to me that they would bend over backwards to try and pass everyone so I just didn't try at all. It is frustrating to pass every test put in front of you but still receive failing grades overall.
 
2013-06-26 05:41:55 PM  
I'm glad I'm not the only one who immediately thought "junior college"
/I went to high school there
//literally, there was a charter high school on campus
 
2013-06-26 05:42:18 PM  
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2013-06-26 05:44:20 PM  

Goodluckfox: I strongly urge anyone that has a friend or family member starting high school to implore the kid to just skip high school. Seriously. Get the GED and just go to college.

Smartest guy I know was a 16 year old freshman when I was a 25 year old "retread" going back to school (I bailed out of engineering but was much happier in management information systems). Dude works for some sort of government agency that he doesn't talk about much and is into cryptocurrencies.

The first couple of years of college are something that any reasonably bright twelve year old could handle, academically.


It's not just about the level of challenge. Maturity is a major issue. The person in your anecdote is obviously well off normal. You can't design the system for outliers. As I noted above, I did 5 years of high school. It was normal at the time. We basically took first year university classes and grades were critical for admission in university. It was a good experience in hindsight.

Also keep in mind that education is not about learning specific usable skills. A lot of it is learning disciple and simply learning how to learn efficiently. People who say "I never apply my degree, it was pointless" really don't get that. I'm a perfect example: my degree is in computer engineering which back then was 90% electrical engineering and 10% comp sci. I went into software so I've applied maybe 5% of what I learned in my job but I'm very good at what I do. I am good learner: point me at a problem and I will learn the skills necessary to solve it very quickly. Eventually you get to the point where it's not about skills anymore, it's about the ability to almost immediately grasp the larger picture and the agility to be able to dive into any specific problem and solve it.
 
2013-06-26 05:45:36 PM  
"I've been going to this high school for seven and a half years. I'm no dummy."

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2013-06-26 05:46:27 PM  

iheartscotch: blatz514: A lot of kids go to high school for 5 years.  They're called idiots.

Anymore, you need a act of congress to hold a kid back in school; most public schools choose to either pass the buck or "encourage" the student in question to drop out.

/ frankly, school isn't for everybody. If it were up to me, I'd allow 16 yearolds to drop out; get the kids that don't want to learn out of the classroom.


If the education system would RECOGNIZE that some kids are going to be tradesmen, laborers, or equipment operators they could be taking wicked useful curriculum instead of stuff they are trying to ignore.

/there used to be shop classes. I saw a saw at school once.
 
2013-06-26 05:47:04 PM  

rubi_con_man: xynix: The problem isn't how many years but what type of content is being learned. When you dumb down the curriculum to meet the lowest common student you're essentially wasting the time of the other 75%. As long as they pass those tests though the school leadership can get their bonuses!

In many many western school systems they *kick out* the kids at 15, and only the smart 'half' get to take the last three years, ensuring that they go at a REAL speed and don't squander dollars. The lower half gets to go to trade and art schools, which does very well for many of them (Pink Floyd met at one such school, David Bowie attended one too).

I wonder what would happen if they had to 'remove' the bottom-performing 20% of students every year in June, starting at age 8th grade? at the start of ninth grade, you're have (instead of 100 inductees at 8th grade) 80 students. At the start of 10th grade, 64. At the start of 11th, you'd have 52 students.


We don't need to kick them out. We just need to bring back the tard classes for the dumb kids. They can do crafts for participation ribbons while the smart kids actually learn.
 
2013-06-26 05:47:16 PM  
When I went to high school you could legally drink at 18. That extra year would have been a blast.
 
2013-06-26 05:50:04 PM  

baufan2005: Witness99: High school is a waste of time on many levels. Get your GED or state approved high school proficiency exam by 15, then save yourself a load of money working and going to cheap junior/community college the first two years, then transfer to a four year university and graduate. That last part is all your employer will care about. Ta-da!

Or just print up your own diploma to carry with you to job interviews. :)


Yeah except background checks, which any desirable job will perform. You made me think of what used to be referred to as "online diploma mills", as they were referred to 10-15 years ago. Now, just like Match.com, the stigma is gone. If I were 18 I'd go for online education now. I think the era of brick and mortar institutions will die out in my lifetime, so much that I cashed out my pension at the university I used to work at. Don't think the money will be there in 30 years from now.
 
2013-06-26 05:54:05 PM  
The author of TFA just graduated from high school.  She's suffering separation anxiety, just like her  first day in kindergarten.

She'll get over it when she discovers frat parties.
 
2013-06-26 05:54:15 PM  
This person's reasoning for wanting an extra year is to pack on more extracurricular activities to impress colleges because they didn't listen to what every teacher probably told them from Freshman year.
 
2013-06-26 05:54:41 PM  

umad: rubi_con_man: xynix: The problem isn't how many years but what type of content is being learned. When you dumb down the curriculum to meet the lowest common student you're essentially wasting the time of the other 75%. As long as they pass those tests though the school leadership can get their bonuses!

In many many western school systems they *kick out* the kids at 15, and only the smart 'half' get to take the last three years, ensuring that they go at a REAL speed and don't squander dollars. The lower half gets to go to trade and art schools, which does very well for many of them (Pink Floyd met at one such school, David Bowie attended one too).

I wonder what would happen if they had to 'remove' the bottom-performing 20% of students every year in June, starting at age 8th grade? at the start of ninth grade, you're have (instead of 100 inductees at 8th grade) 80 students. At the start of 10th grade, 64. At the start of 11th, you'd have 52 students.

We don't need to kick them out. We just need to bring back the tard classes for the dumb kids. They can do crafts for participation ribbons while the smart kids actually learn.


Why not have two schools?  One for the college track kids, and one for trade track kids?  The tards can do their crafts at home.
 
2013-06-26 05:55:30 PM  

Keeve: A lot of people take 7 years to graduate.


I know. They're called doctors..
 
2013-06-26 05:56:57 PM  
Most of Europe does 13 years and they finish ahead of US students with a year of college and are ready to become productive members of society or go on to university.  It's work.

Here we pretend seat time will magically create little Einsteins.
 
2013-06-26 05:56:59 PM  
Drop standardized tests, add mandatory classes of ethics, personal finance, Resume writing / job interview skills. Then you just might be able to squeeze in an extra year. Or better yet, keep it at four years, add those classes, and drop team sports all together.
 
2013-06-26 05:57:26 PM  
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2013-06-26 05:58:21 PM  

xynix: The problem isn't how many years but what type of content is being learned. When you dumb down the curriculum to meet the lowest common student you're essentially wasting the time of the other 75%. As long as they pass those tests though the school leadership can get their bonuses!


Standardized tests are no different than the professional liscensing tests of today.  You must have a basic minimum of knowledge to pass.  It's not a difficult concept.
 
2013-06-26 05:58:45 PM  
Anecdote from a family we're friends with:

All three of their daughters were home schooled--technically they went to a fully accredited independent study charter school funded by the State of California. As soon as they were able, at age 14, they got their GEDs and started at the local community college. For two years those girls aced all their classes. Then, when they were 16 (!) each one of them transferred to Cal-Berkeley, the best public university in the world. The oldest finished at 19 years old with a dual degree in mathematics and linguistics. The middle one just finished with a degree in french and international business. The youngest is just starting there next year and will study dance and party a lot.

Anyway, point is: Take control of your education. It will serve you well.
 
2013-06-26 05:58:52 PM  

Ego edo infantia cattus: Drop standardized tests, add mandatory classes of ethics, personal finance, Resume writing / job interview skills. Then you just might be able to squeeze in an extra year. Or better yet, keep it at four years, add those classes, and drop team sports all together.


You sound fat.
 
2013-06-26 05:59:05 PM  
Not seen studies about additional years on standard academic tracks, groupings, etc., but I have seen a few where an additional academic year was included in vocational tracks abroad with no increase in likelihood to continue education nor additional earnings on average (any additional earnings over a lifetime were balanced by starting work a year earlier. While our current system is outdated, the primary issue is of total annual review based on date of manufacture birth with remediation being slower and reduced rather than as part of a supplementary program, trades and skills being replacements rather than add-ons, and with only a smattering of programs designed for the motivated and proficient in academics. Education should be far more dynamic, not simply far more time.
 
2013-06-26 06:00:02 PM  
The author should spend his fifth year taking a logic class.   If you have another year to do more activities, etc. for college applications, so does everyone else.

Not to mention we have so much extra room in our schools, and extra teachers, etc.  But I especially like this part:    I would have returned to Japan for another year of studying there


So what you would do with your fifth year is not go to your school?  Genius.
 
2013-06-26 06:01:00 PM  

Old enough to know better: Just make the fifth year optional. Kinds who don't give a damn can just graduate their 4th year with a basic diploma. While the students who are actually there to learn, or want go on to college can stick around for that fifth year as sort of a 'college prep'.  Of course they'd have to maintain a certain GPA to be allowed to stay.


Nobody has to be a rock star in high school to get into a good college. It's a waste of time. What you want is to get into a good career and gainful employment, and they don't care what you did in high school. Be a rock star in college, and the earlier you exit high school the better.
 
2013-06-26 06:01:06 PM  

CruJones: The author should spend his fifth year taking a logic class.   If you have another year to do more activities, etc. for college applications, so does everyone else.

Not to mention we have so much extra room in our schools, and extra teachers, etc.  But I especially like this part:    I would have returned to Japan for another year of studying there


So what you would do with your fifth year is not go to your school?  Genius.


Ahem, **her**
 
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