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2013-06-26 05:28:24 PM  
He probably got their number from the NSA, amirite?!
 
2013-06-26 06:27:48 PM  
A grace note.
 
2013-06-26 06:34:15 PM  

JerseyTim: He probably got their number from the NSA, amirite?!


*swish*
 
2013-06-26 06:38:36 PM  
Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.
 
2013-06-26 06:45:37 PM  

Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.


There's a point in there somewhere, but I can't imagine that anyone who knows where Senegal is would also be ignorant enough to be this naive about foreign policy.
 
2013-06-26 06:46:58 PM  

Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.


Despite his background, Obama is, in fact, the president of the United States, not Senegal. Sorry to break that to you.
 
2013-06-26 06:47:43 PM  

JerseyTim: He probably got their number from the NSA, amirite?!


You mean the reporter's number?
 
2013-06-26 06:48:42 PM  

Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.


I'd rather he broach it in one of the 41 states that don't allow gay marriage.
 
2013-06-26 06:48:53 PM  

Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.


What is the most forceful term a Peace Prize-winning man can use?
 
2013-06-26 06:49:23 PM  

YoungSwedishBlonde: Despite his background, Obama is, in fact, the president of the United States, not Senegal. Sorry to break that to you.


He's also a Nobel Peace Prize winner. International leadership in human rights, standing up for basic human dignity, that sort of thing - and in some quaint circles, the word of the President of the United States does still carry some weight.
 
2013-06-26 06:51:33 PM  

js34603: I'd rather he broach it in one of the 41 states that don't allow gay marriage.


He can do that when he gets home. In the meantime, he has a golden opportunity this week to be the international human-rights leader his 2008 sales pitch said he was.
 
2013-06-26 06:53:10 PM  

Gulper Eel: js34603: I'd rather he broach it in one of the 41 states that don't allow gay marriage.

He can do that when he gets home. In the meantime, he has a golden opportunity this week to be the international human-rights leader his 2008 sales pitch said he was.


Maybe he should bomb them a bit and invade the country to impose our will like the guys he beat in the last two elections would do.

Nah, he'll probably just talk to them like sane people tend to do.
 
2013-06-26 06:54:20 PM  

Gulper Eel: js34603: I'd rather he broach it in one of the 41 states that don't allow gay marriage.

He can do that when he gets home. In the meantime, he has a golden opportunity this week to be the international human-rights leader his 2008 sales pitch said he was.


If he was going to talk-down to a country's leader and undo any possibility of constructive dialogue I'd rather he do it by telephone and not waste the money and time on a trip.
 
2013-06-26 06:55:12 PM  

Gulper Eel: He's also a Nobel Peace Prize winner. International leadership in human rights, standing up for basic human dignity, that sort of thing - and in some quaint circles, the word of the President of the United States does still carry some weight.


Oh come on...  how can you know all those words and not realize that the political capital he'd have to spend to change the laws of Senegal wouldn't be worth it.  He probably COULD get it done, but even so it would just look like the US is randomly picking on Senegal but the price tag would be immense and the US would lose even more standing in the eyes of the world.  Besides that, the fight for civil rights in the US is far from won... I'm sure Americans would prefer he concentrate his efforts there.
 
2013-06-26 07:06:57 PM  

Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment.


Why, is there a prize for acknowledging such completely useless and irrelevant information?

What do I WIN?
 
2013-06-26 07:14:06 PM  

Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.


It's almost like he is spinning plates instead if catering to a single issue.
 
2013-06-26 07:14:40 PM  

whidbey: Why, is there a prize for acknowledging such completely useless and irrelevant information?


So gays are only useful and relevant for politcal point-scoring?
 
2013-06-26 07:15:04 PM  

WippitGuud: Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.

What is the most forceful term a Peace Prize-winning man can use?


Ask Theodore Roosevelt.
 
2013-06-26 07:16:15 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: It's almost like he is spinning plates instead if catering to a single issue.


Sure, if you want to be a Kissinger-style realist about it - but isn't Obama supposed to be nobler than that?
 
2013-06-26 07:16:50 PM  

Gulper Eel: He knows Senegal isn't the only nation in Africa treating gays this viciously. There's also Tanzania on this trip, too - and they also persecute gays. He can also point to South Africa as a positive example - they legalized same-sex marriage back in '06.

And there's your carrot and stick.


And do you know what that would accomplish?  Nothing.

Besides, what do you say?

Obama:  "My enlightened nation recognizes that gay people are human being and should have all the civil and human rights that a straight person has."
Senegalese Reporter:  "Mr. President, is it not true that several states in your country consider gay marriage to be illegal and wrong?"
Obama:  "Ummm....  look, a car!" *runs off*

It just makes him look stupid.
 
2013-06-26 07:17:01 PM  

WippitGuud: Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.

What is the most forceful term a Peace Prize-winning man can use?


"SEAL Team Six."
 
2013-06-26 07:18:28 PM  

Gulper Eel: whidbey: Why, is there a prize for acknowledging such completely useless and irrelevant information?

So gays are only useful and relevant for politcal point-scoring?


He's the President of the US, not Senegal.

And I'm sure that the State Dept. has spoken with the Senegalese government on their actions, but when the chips are down, it's still the Senegalese government's call, not ours.

Now, if you're upset that the President/State Dept. isn't vocal enough for Senegalese gays, that's quaint and all, but you really have no farking clue what the WH and/or the State Dept is doing on any front, even Senegalese gays, so kindly STFU and stick to picking fights over American gays.
 
2013-06-26 07:20:54 PM  

whidbey: Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment.

Why, is there a prize for acknowledging such completely useless and irrelevant information?

What do I WIN?


Plus, given that the Casamance conflict has been running since 1982 and has showed recent signs of being financed by Iran, I suspect that there are some issues Obama might want to discuss that are slightly more pressing than low-level sexual liberation.  Just sayin'.

Mercutio74: He probably COULD get it done,


No, he really couldn't.  This is a country with a fundamentalist muslim population that makes the US's look sane, composed, and politically powerless.  This would be on par with trying to convert Vatican City to Unitarianism.
 
2013-06-26 07:24:09 PM  

Mercutio74: Besides, what do you say?

Obama: "My enlightened nation recognizes that gay people are human being and should have all the civil and human rights that a straight person has."
Senegalese Reporter: "Mr. President, is it not true that several states in your country consider gay marriage to be illegal and wrong?"
Obama: "Ummm.... look, a car!" *runs off*

It just makes him look stupid.


You really think that's what he would say, like he's going to answer a question like that not expecting a reporter to follow up that way? I would think his people would have a far more well-crafted answer ready for that question anyway.
 
2013-06-26 07:24:10 PM  

Gulper Eel: whidbey: Why, is there a prize for acknowledging such completely useless and irrelevant information?

So gays are only useful and relevant for politcal point-scoring?


To you, apparently.

The rest of us see this decision as the huge historically significant leadership by example for the rest of the world.

Sorry if that harshes your mellow.
 
2013-06-26 07:26:55 PM  

Infernalist: He's the President of the US, not Senegal.


Ronald Reagan was president of the US, not the USSR, East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Albania.
 
2013-06-26 07:26:56 PM  

Gulper Eel: thismomentinblackhistory: It's almost like he is spinning plates instead if catering to a single issue.

Sure, if you want to be a Kissinger-style realist about it - but isn't Obama supposed to be nobler than that?


What the fark is your purpose?

Honestly I could not be more confused by you.
 
2013-06-26 07:28:12 PM  

Gulper Eel: Infernalist: He's the President of the US, not Senegal.

Ronald Reagan was president of the US, not the USSR, East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Albania.


Are you saying we're in a Cold War with Senegal?
 
2013-06-26 07:28:15 PM  

whidbey: The rest of us see this decision as the huge historically significant leadership by example for the rest of the world.

Sorry if that harshes your mellow.


I don't see it as all that huge, given that there are probably more gays in Africa than there are in the States.
 
2013-06-26 07:29:28 PM  

Gulper Eel: whidbey: The rest of us see this decision as the huge historically significant leadership by example for the rest of the world.

Sorry if that harshes your mellow.

I don't see it as all that huge, given that there are probably more gays in Africa than there are in the States.


Nice to know that you view human rights with such a quantitative yardstick.
 
2013-06-26 07:35:12 PM  

Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.


Look at them goal posts move!  They've gone international!
 
2013-06-26 07:37:52 PM  
To all the Republicans and conservatives crying about the downfall of humanity and blah blah blah...

CRY.  SOME.  MORE.
www.trbimg.com

Here, have a cupcake.  In fact, shove it up your butt to soothe the burn.

/I hope to be a bridesmaid for the day my lovely cousin gets married
//suck it, conservatives
///yes, I'm going to be obnoxious about this due to all the pain you've caused my family
 
2013-06-26 07:38:47 PM  

whidbey: Gulper Eel: whidbey: The rest of us see this decision as the huge historically significant leadership by example for the rest of the world.

Sorry if that harshes your mellow.

I don't see it as all that huge, given that there are probably more gays in Africa than there are in the States.

Nice to know that you view human rights with such a quantitative yardstick.


What yardstick are we supposed to use - one that declares that certain people should be allowed more basic human dignity than others, based on where they happen to have been born?
 
2013-06-26 07:39:12 PM  

WippitGuud: Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.

What is the most forceful term a Peace Prize-winning man can use?


drone?
 
2013-06-26 07:43:28 PM  

Gulper Eel: Infernalist: He's the President of the US, not Senegal.

Ronald Reagan was president of the US, not the USSR, East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Albania.


Lol. You went there. Too much too soon.
 
2013-06-26 07:52:14 PM  

Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.


Are you aware there's also rampant poverty in many other nations? I guess that means we should focus on them instead of trying to improve our own.

/are you also aware that states in this country will still suppress gay rights and there's lots more to do?
//does it matter to you?
 
2013-06-26 07:57:53 PM  
The Supreme Court just ruled a law that allowed the Federal Government to ignore legally recognized same-sex marriages as unconstitutional. They also allowed same sex marriages in California. But, why hasn't Obama solved gay civil rights everywhere?
 
2013-06-26 07:57:58 PM  
He should have called the defendants and told them to EABOD.
 
2013-06-26 07:58:02 PM  

Empty Matchbook: Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.

Are you aware there's also rampant poverty in many other nations? I guess that means we should focus on them instead of trying to improve our own.

/are you also aware that states in this country will still suppress gay rights and there's lots more to do?
//does it matter to you?


The answer is obviously "quick, deflect from this and defend right-wing ego at all costs".  Duh.
 
2013-06-26 08:19:53 PM  

Gulper Eel: You really think that's what he would say, like he's going to answer a question like that not expecting a reporter to follow up that way? I would think his people would have a far more well-crafted answer ready for that question anyway.


No, I don't... I don't think there's anyway you could design a hypothetical Obama that's stupid enough to actually tackle the subject with the Senegalese government and yet smart enough to have a coherent PR plan that has any hope of not embarrassing him and the US.
 
2013-06-26 08:20:54 PM  

Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.


I can almost hear your grubby little fingers pounding the keyboard 500x harder than normal in a fit of impotent rage in a cheetos and mtn dew fueled fit
 
2013-06-26 08:22:04 PM  
Saw that this morning, it was pretty funny especially after that segment with Maddow's "well...shiat." reaction at being preempted by the president.
 
2013-06-26 08:28:09 PM  

Gulper Eel: whidbey: Why, is there a prize for acknowledging such completely useless and irrelevant information?

So gays are only useful and relevant for politcal point-scoring?


Well, you could always stick them up your ass.
 
2013-06-26 08:31:27 PM  
Mmkay, that's an interesting filter-pwn. Refusal to capitalize...
 
2013-06-26 08:42:31 PM  

Gulper Eel: whidbey: Why, is there a prize for acknowledging such completely useless and irrelevant information?

So gays are only useful and relevant for politcal point-scoring?


yourcommunitybulletins.com
 
2013-06-26 09:11:00 PM  

Gulper Eel: Note that Air Force One was headed to Senegal at the time, one of 38 African countries where the government seeks out gays for punishment. I'm sure the president appreciates the irony and fresh off today's good news he'll be sure to continue his Nobel Peace Prize-winning leadership and will publicly broach this basic human-rights topic with Senegalese officials, in the most forceful terms possible.


Are you sure your login shouldn't be Red Herring? Anyway, thanks for your concern, it's good to know you care so much.
 
2013-06-26 09:25:09 PM  

Empty Matchbook: Are you aware there's also rampant poverty in many other nations? I guess that means we should focus on them instead of trying to improve our own.

/are you also aware that states in this country will still suppress gay rights and there's lots more to do?
//does it matter to you?


The issues go hand in hand - the African nations whose lot is improving the most happen to be the ones where human rights are the most protected. Where it is, it ain't Vermont yet but that rampant poverty isn't as rampant as it used to be.

And since this is a foreign-policy trip he's on now, the policies of the nations he's visiting should be front-and-center now, especially given what happened at the Court today. It's a momentum-building opportunity but it looks like he's going to miss it.

Mercutio74: No, I don't... I don't think there's anyway you could design a hypothetical Obama that's stupid enough to actually tackle the subject with the Senegalese government and yet smart enough to have a coherent PR plan that has any hope of not embarrassing him and the US.


Speaking up forcefully for human rights is never embarrassing. Trying to finesse the issue can easily be.
 
2013-06-26 09:36:52 PM  

Gulper Eel: Speaking up forcefully for human rights is never embarrassing. Trying to finesse the issue can easily be.


You realize there isn't a single person in this thread (you included) who actually buys this concern trolling, right? So why bother?
 
2013-06-26 09:37:11 PM  

Gulper Eel: Infernalist: He's the President of the US, not Senegal.

Ronald Reagan was president of the US, not the USSR, East Germany, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Bulgaria, Romania, Hungary and Albania.


And somehow the end of the Soviet bloc was due both to St. Ronald's heroic efforts and the inherent contradictions of the Stalinist system.
 
2013-06-26 09:41:46 PM  

Gulper Eel: rampant poverty isn't as rampant as it used to be.


Because news of a bunch of foreign investors showing up = less poor people.

I'd say your picture is more than a bit premature.

McKinsey & Company

Because some right-leaning think tank who wants to eliminate Social Security as part of a bigger plan to "Fix the Debt" is a highly reliable source for unbiased information.
 
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