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(Some Guy)   Inventor of ADHD diagnosis claims on his deathbed it was entirely made up   (whydontyoutrythis.com) divider line 38
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2013-06-26 06:12:19 PM  
9 votes:
ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".
2013-06-26 06:11:28 PM  
5 votes:
I'm open to this possibility, but I'm also hesitant to take the word of a website that has situated between the article's title and its body an ad for a homeopathic remedy for ADHD.  Or an ad for a homeopathic anything, for that matter.
2013-06-26 05:28:02 PM  
5 votes:
Partially True, according to snopes -
2013-06-26 06:04:19 PM  
3 votes:

Take it with a grain of salt.  The site also features headlines like this:

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2013-06-26 06:40:58 PM  
2 votes:
Wow. A lot of defensive drug addicts in here.
2013-06-26 06:39:10 PM  
2 votes:
The only sentence you need to read from that article:

"Psychiatric profession all about generating obscene profits for Big Pharma"
(because it concisely summarizes the derp in the rest of it)
2013-06-26 06:31:20 PM  
2 votes:
The thing is, of course ADHD is real. A deficit of attention can be cause by countless things though (sleep disorder, reaction to certain foods/substances, psychiatric conditions, neurological disorders etc..). Whats wrong is treating it as some sort of homogenous condition.
2013-06-26 06:25:06 PM  
2 votes:
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience. You dont know it like I do.
2013-06-26 06:22:02 PM  
2 votes:

jst3p: Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".

This. I was a skeptic until I met my girlfriends kid. Now I am sold. She refuses to put him on meds (a decision I support). It takes a lot of work but in his case it can be managed/worked around without it. He is also a very bright and creative. He is frustrating at times but I would hate to see him on meds if it would change him.


THIS--to both of you.  Certain kids, in low numbers, may need meds, but Jeremy Farking Christmas is the education and medical industry overdoing it.  I would bet 95% of those medicated are just hyper and imaginative little boys who had potential ideas medicated right out of them.
2013-06-26 06:17:30 PM  
2 votes:
Oh I completely trust a source that is telling me how I can cure cancer with nutrition.
2013-06-26 06:16:06 PM  
2 votes:
Useless teachers are a huge part of the problem, too.  As each year goes by they expect comatose drones sitting still in class, rather than do something themselves to make the subject matter interesting to young boys.

The school my kids went to had such a cult of drugging boys 85% of the second grade, right ahead of my son's first grade class at the time, was medicated.

We got them out of there as soon as they suggested meds for my son.  He's never been on anything and is doing just fine--accelerated classes, good grades, baseball teams up to this year (just finished 10th grade) Eagle Scout, etc.
2013-06-26 06:15:33 PM  
2 votes:
Hrm, uses CCHR as a source?  Yay Scientology!
2013-06-26 06:14:43 PM  
2 votes:

simrobert2001: Crolack: Partially True, according to snopes -

SEriously? Wow. I'm mildly surprised.


Me too, so I actually read it :)
It's only partially true if you use a computer generated translation of a article in German.
If you have a human translate it, they'll tell you he only said it is over diagnosed.
2013-06-27 01:51:06 AM  
1 votes:
Dude, your blog sucks.
2013-06-26 11:51:37 PM  
1 votes:

fickenchucker: Certain kids, in low numbers, may need meds, but Jeremy Farking Christmas is the education and medical industry overdoing it. I would bet 95% of those medicated are just hyper and imaginative little boys who had potential ideas medicated right out of them.


The thing with ADHD meds is that they're all stimulant-based.  Being calmed down by stimulants is NOT a normal reaction.  If you give little Johnny a Ritalin and he's suddenly much more calm then something is going on besides "he's just imaginative".

Felgraf: globalwarmingpraiser: Most recruiters look at that and think Special Operations. It seems that people who have ADD are hard wired for oh shiat situations.

/Paramedic.
I'm really of the opinion that ADHD is, at least in some cases, a sort of... 'throw back', in a sense?  I know in my case, it's not so much a lack of ability to pay attention, as it is a lack of ability *to tune out stimuli*. As a consequence, I tend to be a lot more *AWARE* of everything, but that's not always useful. I think there's a book called "Hunters in a farmer's world" that talks about this theory.


That's my experience as well.  I have a lot of trouble doing anything without multitasking, not because things are boring but because my brain needs to be doing more, seeing more, processing more, and if I don't give it things to do it will make up other things for me to focus on.  It's a rare thing for something to captivate my attention so wholly that I don't have other little random thought processes and stuff going on in the background bugging me for attention.  It's part of why I like certain genres of entertainment so much, especially SciFi and Mystery: there's almost always a good deal of plot complexity or dangling hints in the background so that there's plenty of things for my brain to get caught up in.  While I'm primarily focusing on whatever amusing thing Castle is saying to Beckett, another part of my brain is thinking about his latest worry about Alexis, or how the victim could have possibly gotten blue chalk on his left foot.

And I'm DEFINITELY wired for oh shiat situations.  The minute any sort of crisis hits I've already got three or four plans forming in my head which are surprisingly robust and appropriate.  Pity I can't make those kinds of plans for my everyday life.


Marshal805: The guy saying this is Bradlee Dean.

He's a hardcore Homophobic
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/bradlee-dean-has-epic-meltdown -o ver-minnesotas-gay-marriage-law


He's also BFF's with Michele Bachmann
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/michele-bachmann-bradlee -d ean


It's easy to dismiss someone as a random internet crackpot.  It's absolutely delightful to find out that you are not only justified, you probably didn't dismiss them hard enough.


Fear the Clam: I'm sorry, what's the difference between ADHD and "Millennials" again? Because as far as I'm concerned, they're both labels for fidgety crybabies with no attention span who aren't fit for graduate school.


Only one of those groups has no problem focusing on episodes of Jersey Shore, American Idol, and figuring out how many YOLOs to throw into their Facebook status updates.


Diodorus: basemetal: Meh, people like speed, it makes them feel energetic, like they can get more done, like they are more organized.......because it's speed.

Adderall doesn't make me feel energetic.


This.  As I said before, the reaction ADHD people have to stimulants is CALMING, not invigorating.  That reaction isn't normal, and indicates that there is indeed a very real physical issue.

I was able to fall asleep on Ritalin when I was taking it.  Clearly there's something wired funny in my brain.
2013-06-26 11:22:27 PM  
1 votes:

Crolack: Partially True, according to snopes -


For the tl;dr crowd:

The claim comes from a bad translation of a German-language article that is taken out of context.  The full, properly translated quote with context is:

"ADHD is a prime example of a fabricated disorder," Eisenberg said. "The genetic predisposition to ADHD is completely overrated."

Instead, child psychiatrists should more thoroughly determine the psychosocial reasons that can lead to behavioral problems, Eisenberg said. Are there fights with parents, are there are problems in the family? Such questions are important, but they take a lot of time, Eisenberg said, adding with a sigh: "Prescribe a pill for it very quickly."


In short, he isn't saying ADHD doesn't exist, he's saying that more often than not ADHD is settled on as the explanation without bothering to check for other causes, because ADHD comes with pills and pills are easy.
2013-06-26 09:48:21 PM  
1 votes:

mizchief: Oh I can't wait till the day when we look at psychology the same way we do religion today.


That's won't ever happen.  Some fields of psychology will fall by the wayside, but skinnerian psychology and reinforcement have been universally upheld as primarily governing behavior.  It will be nice to see some of those "cognitive psychologists gone though"
2013-06-26 09:04:43 PM  
1 votes:
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2013-06-26 08:12:31 PM  
1 votes:

Dr.Zom: I would suggest meditation or yoga for high strung kids but I've heard that invites demonic possession.


Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Maybe bringing back old-fashioned gym class and good recess would help run off some energy. I, personally, am always better able to focus after some good exercise or even a leasurly walk.

Besides, the little porkers could stand to do a few more jumping jacks anyway.
2013-06-26 08:04:34 PM  
1 votes:
You know who else admitted making shiat up?

4.bp.blogspot.com

/hot
2013-06-26 07:30:41 PM  
1 votes:
We don't treat the disease.  We treat the symptoms which are very real. I'm part of a drug discovery program and the reason you give stimulants is to produce the stereotypy that typically leads to focused attention seen with many stimulants.  The problem with hyperactivity is they have a very high basal level of dopamine stimulation leading to distraction and so the thought would be to excite them more until they're on the other side of the U-shaped dose-response and can focus again.  And yes, it's incredibly over prescribed and used as a study aide.
2013-06-26 07:28:37 PM  
1 votes:

AngryDragon: Not surprised.

For every parent that thinks their little snowflake is inflicted by a terrible disorder, let me say this.  Does your teenager have difficulty concentrating?  Does he have the attention span of a squirrel?  Does he misbehave and rebel against authority?  Does he no longer consider you to be top of the food chain in the family?  Does he do poorly in school and get into trouble with alcohol, cigarettes, pot, and girls?  Do you know what that's called?

Adolescence.

Either that or your kid's an asshole.


That exactly describes one of my special ed students, who does 'have' ADHD. I strongly suspect that his only issue is that no one bothered to teach him academic discipline (i.e., do your homework before playing with toys/video games/etc.). In fact, most of my special ed students are like that: no parental support for school. The parents have the attitude that school exists for free babysitting and socialization activities and the kid adopts that attitude as well.

Of my caseload of 15 kids, four had actual disabilities IMO. The other 11 would have benefited from a swift kick in the rear.
2013-06-26 06:57:17 PM  
1 votes:
After seeing how my teenage son acted on one half of a dose of Ritalin, it was bye-bye drugs and back to behavior modification, diet supervision, and strict bedtimes.  Now, he's back to the surly, disrespectful, whining drama llama that I know so very well, even if he moves at warp speed.
2013-06-26 06:57:16 PM  
1 votes:

Mock26: No scientific basis (except one tiny clip from a NOVA program about multitasking and concentrating) for any of this, but I blame technology for kids not being able to sit still.  All the multitasking that they are doing makes it hard for them to concentrate for long periods of time.  Also, watch movies and television shows from the past and compare them today.  Today there are a lot more edits than there were 20, 40, 60 years ago.  More and more information is coming at kids in shorter and shorter segments and they get used to it.  A few years ago a friend of mine was trying to introduce his teenage sons into classic movies and he tried to show them The Rope.  He said that the kids could barely sit still after about 15 minutes and they did not make it all the way through the movie.  They could not stand it.  He blames the complete and total lack of edits as the reason.


Or maybe the movie just sucks and even the director agreed...

Alfred Hitchcock called "Rope" an "experiment that didn't work out," and he was happy to see it kept out of release for most of three decades.
2013-06-26 06:47:32 PM  
1 votes:
I've only really met a couple of people that I ever thought really did have adhd. One was this little girl that zoomed around all goddamn day like a squirrel on crack. No amount of punishment could get her to sit down and focus on anything for more than a minute or so. It seems her meds weren't working for her. The other one is my fiance's nephew. He's a grown man but you can tell with how he darts from one thing to the other that there's something wrong,yes he was diagnosed with adhd when he was kid. His son also has adhd too.

The rest of the other kids I've met that have been diagnosed with adhd? I think they were just an easy way for their parents to get Ritalin snort.
2013-06-26 06:33:46 PM  
1 votes:

Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".


I agree.  Even in adulthood, the speed at which we live our lives, combined with the often unengaging nature of our respective jobs, can make people feel that they must have ADD.  I personally liked Doug Stanhope's take on it.

That said, there are people who are truly, truly afflicted.  I am one.  Parents realized something was amiss in first grade.  I wasn't disruptive, I would continuously go into my own little world.  I still do.  Much of the time, it doesn't even matter if I am interested or not.  I just randomly vacate planet earth.  WIthout my medication, my life would likely fall apart.

My new wife was of the opinion that ADD was a fabrication.  When I got busy and neglected to refill my script for a couple of weeks, she very quickly changed her mind.  It was eye opening for her.

Mind you, I am not addicted.  Trying different meds over the years, and going for years without taking anything, my ADD is stronger than my desire to take the medication.  I have to remind myself to take it in the morning.  Often, I'd forget to call in the script, again and again.

Eh, squirell.
2013-06-26 06:31:11 PM  
1 votes:

jst3p: Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".

This. I was a skeptic until I met my girlfriends kid. Now I am sold. She refuses to put him on meds (a decision I support). It takes a lot of work but in his case it can be managed/worked around without it. He is also a very bright and creative. He is frustrating at times but I would hate to see him on meds if it would change him.


This, times eleventy!

I wasn't diagnosed until my late 30's...and I thank GOD for that!  I only take meds now when certain work activities require it...but, I loathe how easily dr's want to jump on the med train.  There are tons of ways to 'work with it', and learning coping tools that are free of meds go a long way.
2013-06-26 06:30:13 PM  
1 votes:
Try growing up with my sister and you'd change your mind in a heartbeat - she was diagnosed at age 3 and it was quite apparent she met criteria throughout her childhood and adolescence. My parents were great (well educated and authoritative) so I seriously doubt it was due to bad parenting - plus I was symptom free!

Having spent my entire childhood living with my sister and observing the difficulties she had in spite of seeing specialists and being prescribed medication, I find it hard to believe it doesn't exist. I agree it's overdosenosed and frequently misdiagnosed, but that doesn't negate it's existence.
2013-06-26 06:30:11 PM  
1 votes:

Fissile: ADHD? Oh yeah, my parents called it "ants in the pants".


Which the medical community used to call, "congratulations, it's a boy!"

/a lifelong disorder, diagnosed at birth. Quite tragic, really...
2013-06-26 06:26:17 PM  
1 votes:

CruJones: Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say differently.

/adderall = diet coke
//now on Strattera, which works pretty well for me


LOVE strattera! Anyone who cites WND and Natural News in their "article", probably doesn't know what they're talking about.
2013-06-26 06:19:53 PM  
1 votes:
The reason there is such a desire to scream "FAKE" for ADD/ADHD is because that will also allow the same people to scream "FAKE" when (not if) mental health professionals start using words like "Paranoid Personality Disorder" in reference to truthers, birthers, anti-flouridators, anti-vacciners, and the whole rest of them. ADHD is over-diagnosed, particularly since it is often diagnosed under duress. Parents get told that their boys, merely acting like boys, will not be permitted into school unless they are drugged into submission. This gives an open door for the truthers, birthers, anti-vacciners, etc., to start their spiels.

PS: $cientology also hates on the ADHD diagnosis...
2013-06-26 06:19:34 PM  
1 votes:
Not surprised.

For every parent that thinks their little snowflake is inflicted by a terrible disorder, let me say this.  Does your teenager have difficulty concentrating?  Does he have the attention span of a squirrel?  Does he misbehave and rebel against authority?  Does he no longer consider you to be top of the food chain in the family?  Does he do poorly in school and get into trouble with alcohol, cigarettes, pot, and girls?  Do you know what that's called?

Adolescence.

Either that or your kid's an asshole.
2013-06-26 06:16:02 PM  
1 votes:
You could tell people that getting eight hours sleep a night is a treatable disorder and people will swear by it.  It's true. I sleep that much. It must be real. Give me drugs.
2013-06-26 06:08:04 PM  
1 votes:
Yet i was disqualified from the military because of it.
2013-06-26 06:07:08 PM  
1 votes:
He listed WND as a source.
2013-06-26 06:07:01 PM  
1 votes:
Yes, but the adderoll is real!
2013-06-26 06:04:57 PM  
1 votes:
One of my co-workers is living proof that ADHD is very real.
2013-06-26 06:02:30 PM  
1 votes:
you know what, 3 years ago I would have said that ADHD was just bad parenting. Then I met Ethan. That boy needs to be medicated.
 
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