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(Some Guy)   Inventor of ADHD diagnosis claims on his deathbed it was entirely made up   (whydontyoutrythis.com) divider line 200
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2013-06-26 07:16:33 PM  
www.i-mockery.com

It was all a joke.
 
2013-06-26 07:18:14 PM  

Son of Thunder: Oh I completely trust a source that is telling me how I can cure cancer with nutrition.


You know who else thought you could cure cancer with nutrition?

www.docbigs.net

So shut your whore mouth, or this guy will shut it for you!

/unless he's dead, of course
 
2013-06-26 07:20:08 PM  

GhostFish: This isn't really true. It's a mischaracterization of a mistranslation.

Spreading this is about as helpful as spreading the idea that vaccines cause autism.


I *think* I agree with you. From what I've gathered, there is no question regarding the symptoms comprising ADHD; it's the attributable pathology (I think that's the right term) that is fuzzy. In other words, a number of overlapping (and likely un-defined, as of yet) disorders may often be misdiagnosed as ADHD. When kindergarten teachers and school nurses feel confident enough to offer an ADHD diagnosis, it may be that the diagnostic criteria are a bit too elastic.

Operating as if ADHD is a fictitious disorder without first having more precise, accurate diagnoses for that symptoms set would cause a lot of harm toward a lot of folks.
 
2013-06-26 07:28:28 PM  

Holographic Shimmering Pork: GhostFish: This isn't really true. It's a mischaracterization of a mistranslation.

Spreading this is about as helpful as spreading the idea that vaccines cause autism.

I *think* I agree with you. From what I've gathered, there is no question regarding the symptoms comprising ADHD; it's the attributable pathology (I think that's the right term) that is fuzzy. In other words, a number of overlapping (and likely un-defined, as of yet) disorders may often be misdiagnosed as ADHD. When kindergarten teachers and school nurses feel confident enough to offer an ADHD diagnosis, it may be that the diagnostic criteria are a bit too elastic.

Operating as if ADHD is a fictitious disorder without first having more precise, accurate diagnoses for that symptoms set would cause a lot of harm toward a lot of folks.


Right. The important thing to remember is that psychology is a very young science. Imagine if a thousand years ago we'd decided "this alchemy stuff is crap! Let's never speak of it again!" We would hardly have modern chemistry, would we?

jst3p: Sid_6.7: jst3p: If my experience with my stepson is any indicator you will get over it. In like five minutes. Completely over it and on to a completely different emotion.

In my experience, you're a deeply ignorant and close-minded person with little self-awareness and a gnawing lack of self-confidence.

Someone is having a rough day. Have a beer, it will get better.


I'll put it to you this way:

Do you casually make fun of paraplegics or the bipolar? To their faces? No? Then why the f*ck would you make fun of people with other problems?

And if you do, then see my above comment.
 
2013-06-26 07:28:37 PM  

AngryDragon: Not surprised.

For every parent that thinks their little snowflake is inflicted by a terrible disorder, let me say this.  Does your teenager have difficulty concentrating?  Does he have the attention span of a squirrel?  Does he misbehave and rebel against authority?  Does he no longer consider you to be top of the food chain in the family?  Does he do poorly in school and get into trouble with alcohol, cigarettes, pot, and girls?  Do you know what that's called?

Adolescence.

Either that or your kid's an asshole.


That exactly describes one of my special ed students, who does 'have' ADHD. I strongly suspect that his only issue is that no one bothered to teach him academic discipline (i.e., do your homework before playing with toys/video games/etc.). In fact, most of my special ed students are like that: no parental support for school. The parents have the attitude that school exists for free babysitting and socialization activities and the kid adopts that attitude as well.

Of my caseload of 15 kids, four had actual disabilities IMO. The other 11 would have benefited from a swift kick in the rear.
 
2013-06-26 07:29:33 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Wow. A lot of defensive drug addicts in here.


www.metrocookinghouston.com
What a defensive drug addict might look like.
 
2013-06-26 07:29:34 PM  
We live in a world that all but caters directly to what we think of the ADHD mind as.  If people hook into it, then obviously it's going to exist.  The key is fighting it somehow, and until we get up off our asses that won't be happening.
 
2013-06-26 07:30:41 PM  
We don't treat the disease.  We treat the symptoms which are very real. I'm part of a drug discovery program and the reason you give stimulants is to produce the stereotypy that typically leads to focused attention seen with many stimulants.  The problem with hyperactivity is they have a very high basal level of dopamine stimulation leading to distraction and so the thought would be to excite them more until they're on the other side of the U-shaped dose-response and can focus again.  And yes, it's incredibly over prescribed and used as a study aide.
 
2013-06-26 07:32:41 PM  

Sid_6.7: jst3p: Sid_6.7: jst3p: If my experience with my stepson is any indicator you will get over it. In like five minutes. Completely over it and on to a completely different emotion.

In my experience, you're a deeply ignorant and close-minded person with little self-awareness and a gnawing lack of self-confidence.

Someone is having a rough day. Have a beer, it will get better.

I'll put it to you this way:

Do you casually make fun of paraplegics or the bipolar? To their faces? No? Then why the f*ck would you make fun of people with other problems?

And if you do, then see my above comment.


If you come to fark expecting any other outcome, you are naive at best.

Step 1. Go to a website that you know mocks EVERYTHING
Step 2. See your condition mocked
Step 3. POUTRAGE!

static4.cdnmousebreaker.com
 
2013-06-26 07:38:56 PM  

jst3p: Sid_6.7: jst3p: Sid_6.7: jst3p: If my experience with my stepson is any indicator you will get over it. In like five minutes. Completely over it and on to a completely different emotion.

In my experience, you're a deeply ignorant and close-minded person with little self-awareness and a gnawing lack of self-confidence.

Someone is having a rough day. Have a beer, it will get better.

I'll put it to you this way:

Do you casually make fun of paraplegics or the bipolar? To their faces? No? Then why the f*ck would you make fun of people with other problems?

And if you do, then see my above comment.

If you come to fark expecting any other outcome, you are naive at best.

Step 1. Go to a website that you know mocks EVERYTHING
Step 2. See your condition mocked
Step 3. POUTRAGE!

[static4.cdnmousebreaker.com image 192x144]


You seem awfully defensive. By the way, your mouth a little sore? Like you bit something sharp?
 
2013-06-26 07:39:14 PM  

Sid_6.7: Cruzen: fusillade762: Triumph: tl;dr

Dammit.

What's this tl;dr about?
Been away from Fark for awhile...

It stands for "too long; didn't read".

Sometimes it is used seriously, and sometimes not.


Ah. Thanks Sid!
 
2013-06-26 07:39:32 PM  
If anyone has any real questions about it, I used to teach a lecture to the med students on CNS stimulants and other drugs of abuse. EIP
 
2013-06-26 07:40:36 PM  

Sid_6.7: You seem awfully defensive. By the way, your mouth a little sore? Like you bit something sharp?


Not at all but I appreciate your concern.
 
2013-06-26 07:42:09 PM  
I stopped reading at "Big Pharma."
 
2013-06-26 07:47:37 PM  

MyRandomName: People get bored. Life isn't always exciting. This doesn't need to be a medical diagnosis, it can sometimes just be life.

What's the updated % of population with some mental disorder, up to 15% yet?


maybe all the people diagnose are themselves mentally ill?
 
2013-06-26 07:49:07 PM  

jst3p: I have always wondered if the psychiatric community was in bed with the.... LOOK A SQUIRREL!


victorystickers.com
 
2013-06-26 07:57:15 PM  

CruJones: Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say differently.

/adderall = diet coke
//now on Strattera, which works pretty well for me


why dont you try hitting the gym and running five or ten  miles in the morning before school or work then ? i'm sure that will slow you down.
 
2013-06-26 07:59:16 PM  

Richard Sauce: probs just a lot of misdiagnosed bipolar


I wonder this, too.  I used to have so much energy that I'd actually be up for several days at a time and would begin to hallucinate.  Couldn't concentrate on anything to save my life.  Sleep was a foreign concept.  It's what I imagine meth to be like.  I refused to try any ADHD drugs because they're stimulants, and the LAST thing I needed was more energy.  I was hospitalized when the psychosis got so bad that I thought I would kill either myself or someone else.

I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and put on lithium and Seroquel.  I feel like a new farking person.  I'm a crunchy Earth hippie who would rather not take any medication, but I've accepted that I need these medications (as well as one for my ulcerative colitis) to live.  Sometimes things in your body don't work correctly, and natural therapies don't do the job.
 
2013-06-26 08:03:42 PM  
FTFA - It was never actually proven to exist as a verifiable disease, despite the fact that Eisenberg and many others profited handsomely from its widespread diagnosis.

And we are done here.

/whether this exist or not, the fact as stated above is the main reason it is around and used as much as it is.

//Well, that and 99% of you surly adults seem to have forgotten your own childhood. Now, sit down, shut up and act like me!
 
2013-06-26 08:04:34 PM  
You know who else admitted making shiat up?

4.bp.blogspot.com

/hot
 
2013-06-26 08:05:05 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Have you tried Concerta? Strattera's improved sexual stamina is nice, but the exhaustion and abdominal pain is what makes me unable to
take it. Also had a dumbass yesterday snort at least 6 adderall.


Aside from Stratera causing my BP to bottom out to dangerously low levels, it caused detached orgasms. I would either ejaculate with no orgasm at all, or the orgasm would be delayed by a few seconds, and not just intense, but painfully so.
 
2013-06-26 08:08:26 PM  

payattention: And we are done here.

/whether this exist or not, the fact as stated above is the main reason it is around and used as much as it is.

//Well, that and 99% of you surly adults seem to have forgotten your own childhood. Now, sit down, shut up and act like me!


CSB: I spent three years in an inpatient education setting for severe ADHD and children with other behavioral disorders. I had sixteen different psychiatrists and physicians with the University of Tennessee working on my diagnosis and case (lots of fellows, one attending over three years), and went from making Fs and failing school, to making As and excelling at academics (well, except for math. Math sucks. -.- )

So yes. I remember my childhood. I remember how much it sucked to be labeled a "retarded" kid until my issues were identified and treated by someone who actually knew what they were doing.

I also know that School Teachers are not doctors, and should be smacked with an iron across the face when they diagnose medical problems in children, and that family doctors have no place prescribing psychoactive medication in children.
 
2013-06-26 08:09:33 PM  
FROM TFA:  which means that millions of young children today are being needlessly prescribed severe mind-altering drugs that will set them up for a life of drug addiction and failure.

And here is the point where I call bullshiat on the article. But not without reason.

As a now adult who was diagnosed with ADD (which I guess is now part of ADHD) when I was a child, I can tell you from my experience ADD is very real. And for some it is worse than others. In school I couldn't EVER concentrate unless I was on my medication. I mean I couldn't focus more than (what felt like) a few seconds at a time. I would not have made it out of school without the medication because even on it, focusing was a challenge. I started on it in the fourth grade and stopped taking it shortly before I graduated, believing I would have to learn to live without it at some point. I learned during the last semester of my Senior Year (all throwaway classes because I had all my credits) to live without the medicine. Knowing me now you'd have a slight inclination that I might have ADD, but wouldn't know for sure unless I told you about it. I know how to control my concentration and even though others don't have this ability without medication, I feel proud of myself for having gotten off it without downing those who haven't. Its like any other disease, some need medication others don't.

Although one benefit of having ADD is that I can multi-task very easily and actually challenge myself to see how many things I can focus on at one time. One drawback is my short term memory sucks, because my mind will switch subjects without storing information sometimes. Which another thing about people with ADD/ADHD, our minds move at 1,000 miles per hour and don't stop until we fall asleep.
 
2013-06-26 08:11:17 PM  
You know a website is legit when it has a heading for Truthtm that is separate from its Health, News, Science, and Technology sections.
 
2013-06-26 08:12:31 PM  

Dr.Zom: I would suggest meditation or yoga for high strung kids but I've heard that invites demonic possession.


Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Maybe bringing back old-fashioned gym class and good recess would help run off some energy. I, personally, am always better able to focus after some good exercise or even a leasurly walk.

Besides, the little porkers could stand to do a few more jumping jacks anyway.
 
2013-06-26 08:14:20 PM  
inside != outside
inside is torment
fark this dead guy
/not a necrophile
 
2013-06-26 08:14:55 PM  

Abox: You know a website is legit when it has a heading for Truthtm that is separate from its Health, News, Science, and Technology sections.


You're telling me sites like Infowars and NaturalNews aren't reliable?

....next you'll be telling me that Fox News writes articles with a distinct bias.....and that's absolutely crazy, right?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-26 08:18:00 PM  
"overdosenosed" is my new favorite word.
 
2013-06-26 08:18:56 PM  
My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up
 
2013-06-26 08:20:57 PM  

spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up


If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.
 
2013-06-26 08:24:18 PM  
Apparently ADD/ADHD will soon have a rival: digital dementia, or maybe it's another member of the family.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/10138403/S ur ge-in-digital-dementia.html

Agree the disorders are real; also agree it is way over-diagnosed and an easy excuse for cr*p parenting/teaching by many.
 
2013-06-26 08:27:40 PM  
"He sounds like a prime candidate for medication," said the psychiatrist who hadn't even laid eyes on my son yet, after listening to mom recite second-hand teachers' anecdotes for a whole ten minutes.

I wanted to walk out but she had custody and control of medical decisions.

Six years later, I  got custody and weaned him off that shiat. Got my real son back, and life got better.

Farking scary, though, when your 12 year-old is on his knees in front of you crying like a baby and begging for his "fix," as he called it.  Glad that only happened once.

YMMV.  I wouldn't put a child on ADHD meds without three opinions.
 
2013-06-26 08:31:56 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: "He sounds like a prime candidate for medication," said the psychiatrist who hadn't even laid eyes on my son yet, after listening to mom recite second-hand teachers' anecdotes for a whole ten minutes.

I wanted to walk out but she had custody and control of medical decisions.

Six years later, I  got custody and weaned him off that shiat. Got my real son back, and life got better.

Farking scary, though, when your 12 year-old is on his knees in front of you crying like a baby and begging for his "fix," as he called it.  Glad that only happened once.

YMMV.  I wouldn't put a child on ADHD meds without three opinions.


Agreed, CNS stimulants are pretty addictive.  The withdrawal symptoms are mild compared to a lot of other substances of abuse, but it will decrease heart rate and respiration and produce a mild depression.  In kids, mild depression can be exacerbated by hormones and is the real danger.  Could lead to suicide.  MD's need to be more careful prescribing this shiat. You don't see the prescribing benzo's anymore because they know that shiat is dangerously addictive and the withdrawal can kill you.
 
2013-06-26 08:33:21 PM  
i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!
 
2013-06-26 08:33:24 PM  

Abuse Liability: spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up

If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.


I'm writing on a phone ya dildo farmer.
 
2013-06-26 08:36:15 PM  

spentshells: Abuse Liability: spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up

If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.

I'm writing on a phone ya dildo farmer.


I was just teasing you.  You can tell by the way I congratulated you on the apostrophe.  No offense, I was just going for a mental retardation joke, even though you can obviously form complete and coherent thoughts
 
2013-06-26 08:42:09 PM  
Its still real to me, damn it!!!!      I was diagnosed after finishing 69th out of 72 in my HS class.

/Diagnosed, medicated and better for it. Ask my girlfriend, my Bachelors degree or my employees.
 
2013-06-26 08:43:07 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!


Hope you're getting the generic version, bupropion.  Stuff was patented in 1969 and it looks like they've been expanding its uses quite a bit.  Depression, smoking cessation, sexual dysfunction, seasonal affective disorder, weight loss,  and oh yeah, ADHD.
 
2013-06-26 08:46:03 PM  

Abuse Liability: spentshells: Abuse Liability: spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up

If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.

I'm writing on a phone ya dildo farmer.

I was just teasing you.  You can tell by the way I congratulated you on the apostrophe.  No offense, I was just going for a mental retardation joke, even though you can obviously form complete and coherent thoughts


Oh come on guy.
 
2013-06-26 08:46:37 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Hope you're getting the generic version, bupropion.  Stuff was patented in 1969 and it looks like they've been expanding its uses quite a bit.  Depression, smoking cessation, sexual dysfunction, seasonal affective disorder, weight loss,  and oh yeah, ADHD.


Yeah, buproprion wasn't released into the market until about 20 years after its synthesis.  Most drugs make it in about 12-14 years.  Turns out it has a huge abuse liability when given intravenously and so they shut the program down till six years later when they found out it had great oral bioavailability.  Much better for you as its pretty much a partial dopamine receptor agonist.  You won't see nearly the sympathetic nervous system response with other ADHD medication.  Just do yourself a favor and don't solubilize it and inject it IV. You will get high.
 
2013-06-26 09:00:04 PM  

Professor Farksworth: FROM TFA:  which means that millions of young children today are being needlessly prescribed severe mind-altering drugs that will set them up for a life of drug addiction and failure.

And here is the point where I call bullshiat on the article. But not without reason.

As a now adult who was diagnosed with ADD (which I guess is now part of ADHD) when I was a child, I can tell you from my experience ADD is very real. And for some it is worse than others. In school I couldn't EVER concentrate unless I was on my medication. I mean I couldn't focus more than (what felt like) a few seconds at a time. I would not have made it out of school without the medication because even on it, focusing was a challenge. I started on it in the fourth grade and stopped taking it shortly before I graduated, believing I would have to learn to live without it at some point. I learned during the last semester of my Senior Year (all throwaway classes because I had all my credits) to live without the medicine. Knowing me now you'd have a slight inclination that I might have ADD, but wouldn't know for sure unless I told you about it. I know how to control my concentration and even though others don't have this ability without medication, I feel proud of myself for having gotten off it without downing those who haven't. Its like any other disease, some need medication others don't.

Although one benefit of having ADD is that I can multi-task very easily and actually challenge myself to see how many things I can focus on at one time. One drawback is my short term memory sucks, because my mind will switch subjects without storing information sometimes. Which another thing about people with ADD/ADHD, our minds move at 1,000 miles per hour and don't stop until we fall asleep.


Of course ADD is real.  So is SUBTRACTION.
 
2013-06-26 09:03:54 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!


Heh heh heh
 
2013-06-26 09:04:43 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-06-26 09:10:19 PM  
lol247pics.com
 
2013-06-26 09:10:29 PM  

megarian: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Heh heh heh


Don't you owe me some BIE?
 
2013-06-26 09:16:32 PM  

Sid_6.7: Oh, look, this thread again.

ADD/ADHD exists.

And your jokes are unfunny, repetitious, unoriginal, and in poor taste.


you just don't fit in here...sorry
 
2013-06-26 09:17:04 PM  
Oh, look - it's this thread again.

If you or someone you know has a child that has been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), chances are the child is actually just fine. At least this is what the "father" of ADHD, Leon Eisenberg, would presumably say if he were still alive.

I'm fairly certain that if he were still alive, he'd still be saying what he said for all those years.  It was only when he thought he would die that he 'fessed up.

Allegedly.
 
2013-06-26 09:20:22 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh, look - it's this thread again.

If you or someone you know has a child that has been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), chances are the child is actually just fine. At least this is what the "father" of ADHD, Leon Eisenberg, would presumably say if he were still alive.

I'm fairly certain that if he were still alive, he'd still be saying what he said for all those years.  It was only when he thought he would die that he 'fessed up.

Allegedly.


I just think its hilarious that some guy tagged a bunch of symptoms and called it a disorder.  The symptoms exist and can be treated.  Years of scientific research have gone into looking at elevated dopamine levels and other cellular/hormonal changes that accompany these symptoms.  This guy just coined a cluster of symptoms and the media wants to pretend that because he made up a diagnosis the pathophysiology doesn't exist?

/snort
 
2013-06-26 09:21:10 PM  

Dr.Zom: WND

 
2013-06-26 09:29:42 PM  
So does everyone on ADHD drugs get a refund?
 
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