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2013-06-26 09:29:42 PM  
So does everyone on ADHD drugs get a refund?
 
2013-06-26 09:30:40 PM  

GBmanNC: The thing is, of course ADHD is real. A deficit of attention can be cause by countless things though (sleep disorder, reaction to certain foods/substances, psychiatric conditions, neurological disorders etc..). Whats wrong is treating it as some sort of homogenous condition.


My husband was diagnosed with it but the usual medication just made him super wired. He did well with Wellbutrin though so it's more of a dopamine issue for him. The inability to stay focused and the impulse issues pissed him off more than anyone.
 
2013-06-26 09:34:41 PM  
I'm sorry, what's the difference between ADHD and "Millennials" again? Because as far as I'm concerned, they're both labels for fidgety crybabies with no attention span who aren't fit for graduate school.
 
2013-06-26 09:35:00 PM  

Abuse Liability: megarian: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Heh heh heh

Don't you owe me some BIE?


Well, yes. Probably. Yes.
 
2013-06-26 09:38:44 PM  

megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Heh heh heh

Don't you owe me some BIE?

Well, yes. Probably. Yes.


get on it you alcoholic you!
 
2013-06-26 09:44:39 PM  

Crolack: Partially True, according to snopes -


So... whatever Fark admin greenlit this story from 2009 gets tarred and feathered, right?
 
2013-06-26 09:46:12 PM  
Oh I can't wait till the day when we look at psychology the same way we do religion today.
 
2013-06-26 09:47:59 PM  
Given the subject matter, I'm surprised this thread OH, LOOK A BIRD.
 
2013-06-26 09:48:21 PM  

mizchief: Oh I can't wait till the day when we look at psychology the same way we do religion today.


That's won't ever happen.  Some fields of psychology will fall by the wayside, but skinnerian psychology and reinforcement have been universally upheld as primarily governing behavior.  It will be nice to see some of those "cognitive psychologists gone though"
 
2013-06-26 09:48:48 PM  

Crolack: Partially True, according to snopes -


Not at all.

"Guy who first diagnosed ADHD says the disease is overdiagnosed by others" is not in any way close to saying "I made it all up".
 
2013-06-26 09:52:22 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-26 09:59:22 PM  
Meh, people like speed, it makes them feel energetic, like they can get more done, like they are more organized.......because it's speed.
 
2013-06-26 10:00:58 PM  

spentshells: Abuse Liability: spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up

If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.

I'm writing on a phone ya dildo farmer.


and yet you type 'dildo farmer' perfectly.. Hmmm. Intredasting...

/;)
 
2013-06-26 10:01:13 PM  

Pitabred: jst3p: Pitabred: fickenchucker: jst3p: Pitabred: [trim]

The case I deal with is moderate. He lacks impulse control to some degree but he is still pretty functional. He is above grade level in Math and Language Arts so we just learn to work with it. Things like giving him one instruction at a time. We tell the other kids "Go clean your room." We tell him "Go pick up all the dirty clothes in your room and come back to us. Now go pick up all your toys and put them away then come back to us. Now go pick up any papers on your floor. Put them away or throw them away and come back to us." etc. I agree that medication isn't instant loss of creativity, we just don't want to take the chance if we don't need to. Great kid, most of the time. A lot of work too.

Exactly. Each case is unique. I just hate how binary so many people are about things like this, and perhaps I read that into your reply. The "medication is never the answer!" crowd can be just as hard to deal with sometimes as the "let's dope 'em all up so I don't have to deal with them!" crowd, both just want a single tool to label everything with. The world is shades of grey, and what works for one case will not necessarily be appropriate in the other. Some kids need the medication, some don't, some just need it situationally, as BeatrixK noted in her story.



To all of you in our little thread within a thread--yes to all.

Whodathunk we cretin FARKERS have, in my opinion, more common sense than the general public to show some critical thought and soul-searching before we let others medicate the developing brains of our kids?  I did allow for, and have seen first-hand, that 5% who really need some help.  But I've also seen first-hand parents who trust teachers and doctors way too much and are raising kids who are basically high and tired all the time.

The take-away, I guess, to you young parents or future parents, is to be skeptical of the medical and teaching establishments.  And only medicate your kids to the minimum needed if necessary.
 
2013-06-26 10:24:12 PM  

Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".


but, but, PE and recess don't make profit for bigpharma!
 
2013-06-26 10:30:11 PM  

basemetal: Meh, people like speed, it makes them feel energetic, like they can get more done, like they are more organized.......because it's speed.


Adderall doesn't make me feel energetic.
 
2013-06-26 10:30:43 PM  

Professor Farksworth: FROM TFA:  which means that millions of young children today are being needlessly prescribed severe mind-altering drugs that will set them up for a life of drug addiction and failure.

And here is the point where I call bullshiat on the article. But not without reason.

As a now adult who was diagnosed with ADD (which I guess is now part of ADHD) when I was a child, I can tell you from my experience ADD is very real. And for some it is worse than others. In school I couldn't EVER concentrate unless I was on my medication. I mean I couldn't focus more than (what felt like) a few seconds at a time. I would not have made it out of school without the medication because even on it, focusing was a challenge. I started on it in the fourth grade and stopped taking it shortly before I graduated, believing I would have to learn to live without it at some point. I learned during the last semester of my Senior Year (all throwaway classes because I had all my credits) to live without the medicine. Knowing me now you'd have a slight inclination that I might have ADD, but wouldn't know for sure unless I told you about it. I know how to control my concentration and even though others don't have this ability without medication, I feel proud of myself for having gotten off it without downing those who haven't. Its like any other disease, some need medication others don't.

Although one benefit of having ADD is that I can multi-task very easily and actually challenge myself to see how many things I can focus on at one time. One drawback is my short term memory sucks, because my mind will switch subjects without storing information sometimes. Which another thing about people with ADD/ADHD, our minds move at 1,000 miles per hour and don't stop until we fall asleep.


The part about the short term memory is interesting to me. I have 10 year-old twin boys, one has no cognitive/behavioral/emotional issues but the other was different from the start.

He's seen several psychiatrists and psychologists and has been diagnosed differently by each. We've heard ADHD/OCD, ODD, bipolar disorder, bad parenting, and now autism. I actually don't worry about the label anymore: we've gone to great lengths to get him help however he needs. The autism theory came from a team at his school, and one test revealed he has very limited short term memory. I just thought he was acting out when I ask him 20 times to do something and it's like I never said anything.

Thanks for your story, my kid sounds a lot like you.
 
2013-06-26 10:37:31 PM  

HighZoolander: spentshells: Abuse Liability: spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up

If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.

I'm writing on a phone ya dildo farmer.

and yet you type 'dildo farmer' perfectly.. Hmmm. Intredasting...

/;)


He was going to type "dildo farking asshole" but he got distracted when he saw a tractor.
 
2013-06-26 10:45:54 PM  

Abuse Liability: megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Heh heh heh

Don't you owe me some BIE?

Well, yes. Probably. Yes.

get on it you alcoholic you!


I am not that yet drunk!
 
2013-06-26 10:49:31 PM  

ennuie: While I suspect many disorders are real, I believe that most sufferers are not inherent sufferers -- that is to say, their symptoms arise from the stresses of living in our modern environment. We've seen time and again how our civilization can make animals quite neurotic, but fail to recognize that it does the same thing to us.

These people aren't defective, most of them, our understanding of what humans need to thrive is defective. But improving rapidly.


It isn't just understanding. It's the fact that more of us understand than give a damn. Stress gets things done and makes money, so we learn to tolerate it and don't respect people who can't.
 
2013-06-26 10:54:06 PM  

megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Heh heh heh

Don't you owe me some BIE?

Well, yes. Probably. Yes.

get on it you alcoholic you!

I am not that yet drunk!


Sounds like it! If you're nice you can get some WIE in return. And yes I'm assuming you typed that sentence incorrectly on purpose.
 
2013-06-26 10:55:20 PM  

Crackers Are a Family Food: Richard Sauce: probs just a lot of misdiagnosed bipolar

I wonder this, too.  I used to have so much energy that I'd actually be up for several days at a time and would begin to hallucinate.  Couldn't concentrate on anything to save my life.  Sleep was a foreign concept.  It's what I imagine meth to be like.  I refused to try any ADHD drugs because they're stimulants, and the LAST thing I needed was more energy.  I was hospitalized when the psychosis got so bad that I thought I would kill either myself or someone else.

I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and put on lithium and Seroquel.  I feel like a new farking person.  I'm a crunchy Earth hippie who would rather not take any medication, but I've accepted that I need these medications (as well as one for my ulcerative colitis) to live.  Sometimes things in your body don't work correctly, and natural therapies don't do the job.


*Checks profile* I don't think that medication is working
 
2013-06-26 11:07:58 PM  
Wow, that last paragraph in TFA is just gold. Come work in the mental health field for a while! Then read some psychology or psychiatry journals. No scientific tests? What does that mean? Take a look at the post mortem brain tissue of most schizophrenics. How about brain fMRI's of individuals with OCD. I could go on, but I don't feel like it, I'm too depressed and this about all the time my ADD will allow me to focus.
 
2013-06-26 11:18:21 PM  
Only a matter of time before the headline applies to assburgers?
 
2013-06-26 11:22:27 PM  

Crolack: Partially True, according to snopes -


For the tl;dr crowd:

The claim comes from a bad translation of a German-language article that is taken out of context.  The full, properly translated quote with context is:

"ADHD is a prime example of a fabricated disorder," Eisenberg said. "The genetic predisposition to ADHD is completely overrated."

Instead, child psychiatrists should more thoroughly determine the psychosocial reasons that can lead to behavioral problems, Eisenberg said. Are there fights with parents, are there are problems in the family? Such questions are important, but they take a lot of time, Eisenberg said, adding with a sigh: "Prescribe a pill for it very quickly."


In short, he isn't saying ADHD doesn't exist, he's saying that more often than not ADHD is settled on as the explanation without bothering to check for other causes, because ADHD comes with pills and pills are easy.
 
2013-06-26 11:25:23 PM  
Shut up and buy more government approved amphetamines.
 
2013-06-26 11:51:37 PM  

fickenchucker: Certain kids, in low numbers, may need meds, but Jeremy Farking Christmas is the education and medical industry overdoing it. I would bet 95% of those medicated are just hyper and imaginative little boys who had potential ideas medicated right out of them.


The thing with ADHD meds is that they're all stimulant-based.  Being calmed down by stimulants is NOT a normal reaction.  If you give little Johnny a Ritalin and he's suddenly much more calm then something is going on besides "he's just imaginative".

Felgraf: globalwarmingpraiser: Most recruiters look at that and think Special Operations. It seems that people who have ADD are hard wired for oh shiat situations.

/Paramedic.
I'm really of the opinion that ADHD is, at least in some cases, a sort of... 'throw back', in a sense?  I know in my case, it's not so much a lack of ability to pay attention, as it is a lack of ability *to tune out stimuli*. As a consequence, I tend to be a lot more *AWARE* of everything, but that's not always useful. I think there's a book called "Hunters in a farmer's world" that talks about this theory.


That's my experience as well.  I have a lot of trouble doing anything without multitasking, not because things are boring but because my brain needs to be doing more, seeing more, processing more, and if I don't give it things to do it will make up other things for me to focus on.  It's a rare thing for something to captivate my attention so wholly that I don't have other little random thought processes and stuff going on in the background bugging me for attention.  It's part of why I like certain genres of entertainment so much, especially SciFi and Mystery: there's almost always a good deal of plot complexity or dangling hints in the background so that there's plenty of things for my brain to get caught up in.  While I'm primarily focusing on whatever amusing thing Castle is saying to Beckett, another part of my brain is thinking about his latest worry about Alexis, or how the victim could have possibly gotten blue chalk on his left foot.

And I'm DEFINITELY wired for oh shiat situations.  The minute any sort of crisis hits I've already got three or four plans forming in my head which are surprisingly robust and appropriate.  Pity I can't make those kinds of plans for my everyday life.


Marshal805: The guy saying this is Bradlee Dean.

He's a hardcore Homophobic
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/bradlee-dean-has-epic-meltdown -o ver-minnesotas-gay-marriage-law


He's also BFF's with Michele Bachmann
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/michele-bachmann-bradlee -d ean


It's easy to dismiss someone as a random internet crackpot.  It's absolutely delightful to find out that you are not only justified, you probably didn't dismiss them hard enough.


Fear the Clam: I'm sorry, what's the difference between ADHD and "Millennials" again? Because as far as I'm concerned, they're both labels for fidgety crybabies with no attention span who aren't fit for graduate school.


Only one of those groups has no problem focusing on episodes of Jersey Shore, American Idol, and figuring out how many YOLOs to throw into their Facebook status updates.


Diodorus: basemetal: Meh, people like speed, it makes them feel energetic, like they can get more done, like they are more organized.......because it's speed.

Adderall doesn't make me feel energetic.


This.  As I said before, the reaction ADHD people have to stimulants is CALMING, not invigorating.  That reaction isn't normal, and indicates that there is indeed a very real physical issue.

I was able to fall asleep on Ritalin when I was taking it.  Clearly there's something wired funny in my brain.
 
2013-06-27 12:03:26 AM  
  Interesting thread
  I suspect I am older than most farkers - did both public and private schools and never heard of ADD, etc until my own son was in school
  It is somewhat hard to come to terms with a syndrome that largely didn't exist (in any long-term and incapacitating way) then but has become epidemic now.
  If I were a new parent I'd be asking some hard questions about the genesis of this illness that seems to be both relatively recent and so widespread - and I would have gone far out of my way to avoid medicating any child who is not in pain (as opposed to merely BEING a pain)
 
2013-06-27 12:13:48 AM  

Abuse Liability: mizchief: Oh I can't wait till the day when we look at psychology the same way we do religion today.

That's won't ever happen.  Some fields of psychology will fall by the wayside, but skinnerian psychology and reinforcement have been universally upheld as primarily governing behavior.  It will be nice to see some of those "cognitive psychologists gone though"


I think the future will be more like a mix of neuroscience and computer science where actual mental disorders are debugged like finding a bad registry setting in a windows OS.
 
2013-06-27 12:54:23 AM  
ITS A CONSPIRACY!
 
2013-06-27 01:13:41 AM  
"If you or someone you know has a child that has been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), chances are the child is actually just fine. At least this is what the "father" of ADHD, Leon Eisenberg, would presumably say if he were still alive...".

Didn't really see any point in reading past that.
 
2013-06-27 01:19:25 AM  
The only way to live with ADHD is to accept that most people will never believe that such a thing exists and will think you're an idiot. Once you accept that it's surprisingly easy. Actually, it's not easy at all, I still hate it.
 
2013-06-27 01:27:31 AM  

Mambo Bananapatch: The only way to live with ADHD is to accept that most people will never believe that such a thing exists and will think you're an idiot. Once you accept that it's surprisingly easy. Actually, it's not easy at all, I still hate it.


People like to believe conspiracy theories.
 
2013-06-27 01:42:41 AM  
Big Pharma eh....

The last person who tried to talk to me about "Big Pharma" also tried to convince me that the Queen was a lizard.

sounds legit
 
2013-06-27 01:51:06 AM  
Dude, your blog sucks.
 
2013-06-27 02:06:00 AM  

my herniated disc: Big Pharma eh....

The last person who tried to talk to me about "Big Pharma" also tried to convince me that the Queen was a lizard.

sounds legit


Only a fool would assume she's not.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-27 02:10:26 AM  
Welp, I see all the major points have been hit. What a terrible article.
 
2013-06-27 02:28:03 AM  

my herniated disc: Big Pharma eh....

The last person who tried to talk to me about "Big Pharma" also tried to convince me that the Queen was a lizard.

sounds legit


Random almost-threadjack: for an amusing, possibly rage-inducing watch, take 50 minutes of your time and watch The Lizards and the Jews.  It is the only time I have ever seen a supposedly respected anti-bigotry organization make a guy who thinks Lizard-people control the world look sane by comparison.
 
2013-06-27 02:28:17 AM  
i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-27 02:51:46 AM  

GhostFish: This isn't really true. It's a mischaracterization of a mistranslation.

Spreading this is about as helpful as spreading the idea that vaccines cause autism.


Thats ridiculous. Everyone knows autism is just some made up bullshiat.
 
2013-06-27 04:24:10 AM  
It's hard to believe how much of modern psychology/psychiatry is built upon the foundation of random made up ideas from men with a lot of time on their hands. I'm interested in the subject in general, but in reading textbooks, I get the feeling I'm reading random opinions rather than real science. It is a little better than sociology though; that field is full of subjective non-scientific BS.
 
2013-06-27 05:01:31 AM  

Whatthefark: Oblig South Park clip regarding ADHD.


Alternative SP quote:
Kyle's Mom: "Kyle, you're acting like an 8-year-old CHILD!"
Kyle: "Mom, I *am* 8."
 
2013-06-27 05:29:41 AM  

Dr.Zom: GBmanNC:  Whats wrong is treating it as some sort of homogenous condition.

You're thinking of lactose intolerance.


i laughed waaaaay too hard at that
 
2013-06-27 08:41:03 AM  
Shocking!

Time for the unnecessarily medicated to get their panties in a bunch and deny with all their strength.
 
2013-06-27 09:44:38 AM  

Abuse Liability: Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh, look - it's this thread again.

If you or someone you know has a child that has been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), chances are the child is actually just fine. At least this is what the "father" of ADHD, Leon Eisenberg, would presumably say if he were still alive.

I'm fairly certain that if he were still alive, he'd still be saying what he said for all those years.  It was only when he thought he would die that he 'fessed up.

Allegedly.

I just think its hilarious that some guy tagged a bunch of symptoms and called it a disorder.  The symptoms exist and can be treated.  Years of scientific research have gone into looking at elevated dopamine levels and other cellular/hormonal changes that accompany these symptoms.  This guy just coined a cluster of symptoms and the media wants to pretend that because he made up a diagnosis the pathophysiology doesn't exist?

/snort


In Medicine, this is a tried and successful business plan.
 
2013-06-27 09:57:45 AM  

sugarhi: Then what are these boobs doing here on my chest?!!?!

o.O


THERE ARE NO WOMEN ON THE INTERNET!
 
2013-06-27 10:12:37 AM  
I have ADFBS (Attention Defict For Boring shiat).  I could totally use a prescription for adderall just to do my laundry, housework, and bills.
 
2013-06-27 10:51:22 AM  
Meh, repeat all that calming gibberish you learned to say about speed and ADHD, it makes the heart rate go up, the blood pressure go up and the mouth to dry.  It's speed, of course it makes you feel good.
 
2013-06-27 01:36:52 PM  

sugarhi: Try growing up with my sister and you'd change your mind in a heartbeat - she was diagnosed at age 3 and it was quite apparent she met criteria throughout her childhood and adolescence. My parents were great (well educated and authoritative) so I seriously doubt it was due to bad parenting - plus I was symptom free!

Having spent my entire childhood living with my sister and observing the difficulties she had in spite of seeing specialists and being prescribed medication, I find it hard to believe it doesn't exist. I agree it's overdosenosed and frequently misdiagnosed, but that doesn't negate it's existence.


This. My son was diagnosed at a very early age as well, and I was a skeptic at first too. He went to numerous appointments with a specialist each week over a few weeks and was formally diagnosed. Even his grandparents were skeptics at first, but over time they noticed his behaviour was.... different than a 'regular' boy. And his grandma raised 3 boys as a homemaker
I keep him on Vyvanse, which does work, but I wish it was cheaper. A single mom paying for $285 meds every 30 days? Fark.
 
2013-06-27 03:47:55 PM  

basemetal: Meh, repeat all that calming gibberish you learned to say about speed and ADHD, it makes the heart rate go up, the blood pressure go up and the mouth to dry.  It's speed, of course it makes you feel good.


Calm down and remember that the important thing here is for you feel superior to others on a message board.
 
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