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2013-06-26 05:28:02 PM  
Partially True, according to snopes -
 
2013-06-26 05:56:46 PM  
tl;dr
 
2013-06-26 06:02:05 PM  

Triumph: tl;dr


Dammit.
 
2013-06-26 06:02:30 PM  
you know what, 3 years ago I would have said that ADHD was just bad parenting. Then I met Ethan. That boy needs to be medicated.
 
2013-06-26 06:03:03 PM  

Crolack: Partially True, according to snopes -


SEriously? Wow. I'm mildly surprised.
 
2013-06-26 06:03:33 PM  
So....can we beat bad kids now?

No?

Oh...okay :(
 
2013-06-26 06:04:19 PM  

Take it with a grain of salt.  The site also features headlines like this:

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2013-06-26 06:04:43 PM  
I have always wondered if the psychiatric community was in bed with the.... LOOK A SQUIRREL!
 
2013-06-26 06:04:57 PM  
One of my co-workers is living proof that ADHD is very real.
 
2013-06-26 06:04:58 PM  
People get bored. Life isn't always exciting. This doesn't need to be a medical diagnosis, it can sometimes just be life.

What's the updated % of population with some mental disorder, up to 15% yet?
 
2013-06-26 06:05:35 PM  
I'm not sure I agree because I'm pretty sure I might have had ADHD since I was six when
 
2013-06-26 06:06:01 PM  
 
2013-06-26 06:06:49 PM  
No kidding?
 
2013-06-26 06:07:01 PM  
Yes, but the adderoll is real!
 
2013-06-26 06:07:08 PM  
He listed WND as a source.
 
2013-06-26 06:08:04 PM  
Yet i was disqualified from the military because of it.
 
2013-06-26 06:08:13 PM  
That's bullshiat some right there.
 
2013-06-26 06:09:42 PM  
Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say differently.

/adderall = diet coke
//now on Strattera, which works pretty well for me
 
2013-06-26 06:11:05 PM  
tl;
 
2013-06-26 06:11:28 PM  
I'm open to this possibility, but I'm also hesitant to take the word of a website that has situated between the article's title and its body an ad for a homeopathic remedy for ADHD.  Or an ad for a homeopathic anything, for that matter.
 
2013-06-26 06:12:19 PM  
ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".
 
2013-06-26 06:14:43 PM  

simrobert2001: Crolack: Partially True, according to snopes -

SEriously? Wow. I'm mildly surprised.


Me too, so I actually read it :)
It's only partially true if you use a computer generated translation of a article in German.
If you have a human translate it, they'll tell you he only said it is over diagnosed.
 
2013-06-26 06:14:58 PM  
I've read the original article. It's been a bit but this isn't entirely true. He was talking about it being over-diagnosed and how we need different ways of treating kids. But he seems to indicate that some kids definitely have issues and medications are needed.
 
2013-06-26 06:15:33 PM  
Hrm, uses CCHR as a source?  Yay Scientology!
 
2013-06-26 06:15:56 PM  
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2013-06-26 06:16:02 PM  
You could tell people that getting eight hours sleep a night is a treatable disorder and people will swear by it.  It's true. I sleep that much. It must be real. Give me drugs.
 
2013-06-26 06:16:06 PM  
Useless teachers are a huge part of the problem, too.  As each year goes by they expect comatose drones sitting still in class, rather than do something themselves to make the subject matter interesting to young boys.

The school my kids went to had such a cult of drugging boys 85% of the second grade, right ahead of my son's first grade class at the time, was medicated.

We got them out of there as soon as they suggested meds for my son.  He's never been on anything and is doing just fine--accelerated classes, good grades, baseball teams up to this year (just finished 10th grade) Eagle Scout, etc.
 
2013-06-26 06:16:16 PM  
This isn't really true. It's a mischaracterization of a mistranslation.

Spreading this is about as helpful as spreading the idea that vaccines cause autism.
 
2013-06-26 06:16:29 PM  

Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".


This. I was a skeptic until I met my girlfriends kid. Now I am sold. She refuses to put him on meds (a decision I support). It takes a lot of work but in his case it can be managed/worked around without it. He is also a very bright and creative. He is frustrating at times but I would hate to see him on meds if it would change him.
 
2013-06-26 06:17:30 PM  
Oh I completely trust a source that is telling me how I can cure cancer with nutrition.
 
2013-06-26 06:18:32 PM  
Well, duh.
 
2013-06-26 06:19:34 PM  
Not surprised.

For every parent that thinks their little snowflake is inflicted by a terrible disorder, let me say this.  Does your teenager have difficulty concentrating?  Does he have the attention span of a squirrel?  Does he misbehave and rebel against authority?  Does he no longer consider you to be top of the food chain in the family?  Does he do poorly in school and get into trouble with alcohol, cigarettes, pot, and girls?  Do you know what that's called?

Adolescence.

Either that or your kid's an asshole.
 
2013-06-26 06:19:35 PM  

Son of Thunder: Oh I completely trust a source that is telling me how I can cure cancer with nutrition.


Dying is a kind of cure.
 
2013-06-26 06:19:53 PM  
The reason there is such a desire to scream "FAKE" for ADD/ADHD is because that will also allow the same people to scream "FAKE" when (not if) mental health professionals start using words like "Paranoid Personality Disorder" in reference to truthers, birthers, anti-flouridators, anti-vacciners, and the whole rest of them. ADHD is over-diagnosed, particularly since it is often diagnosed under duress. Parents get told that their boys, merely acting like boys, will not be permitted into school unless they are drugged into submission. This gives an open door for the truthers, birthers, anti-vacciners, etc., to start their spiels.

PS: $cientology also hates on the ADHD diagnosis...
 
2013-06-26 06:21:15 PM  
ADHD? Oh yeah, my parents called it "ants in the pants".
 
2013-06-26 06:21:24 PM  

CruJones: Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say differently.

/adderall = diet coke
//now on Strattera, which works pretty well for me


Strattera worked for me but I couldn't handle the side effects.  Delayed or disconnected orgasms are just weird.  I could deal with that, but as soon as I had my first painful orgasm?  that was it, no more thank you.
 
2013-06-26 06:22:02 PM  

jst3p: Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".

This. I was a skeptic until I met my girlfriends kid. Now I am sold. She refuses to put him on meds (a decision I support). It takes a lot of work but in his case it can be managed/worked around without it. He is also a very bright and creative. He is frustrating at times but I would hate to see him on meds if it would change him.


THIS--to both of you.  Certain kids, in low numbers, may need meds, but Jeremy Farking Christmas is the education and medical industry overdoing it.  I would bet 95% of those medicated are just hyper and imaginative little boys who had potential ideas medicated right out of them.
 
2013-06-26 06:22:35 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: you know what, 3 years ago I would have said that ADHD was just bad parenting. Then I met Ethan. That boy needs to be medicated.


What does that mean?

//He's a nut... He's crazy in the cocount
//Not obscure.
 
2013-06-26 06:22:48 PM  

Fissile: ADHD? Oh yeah, my parents called it "ants in the pants".


I had aunts in the pants as a kid. She isn't allowed within 500 feet of me or my brothers anymore.
 
2013-06-26 06:23:45 PM  
I would suggest meditation or yoga for high strung kids but I've heard that invites demonic possession.
 
2013-06-26 06:25:06 PM  
Psychiatry is a pseudoscience. You dont know it like I do.
 
2013-06-26 06:26:17 PM  

CruJones: Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say differently.

/adderall = diet coke
//now on Strattera, which works pretty well for me


LOVE strattera! Anyone who cites WND and Natural News in their "article", probably doesn't know what they're talking about.
 
2013-06-26 06:26:58 PM  
Your blog sucks, subby.
 
2013-06-26 06:27:42 PM  

SteakMan: CruJones: Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say differently.

/adderall = diet coke
//now on Strattera, which works pretty well for me

Strattera worked for me but I couldn't handle the side effects.  Delayed or disconnected orgasms are just weird.  I could deal with that, but as soon as I had my first painful orgasm?  that was it, no more thank you.


Have you tried Concerta? Strattera's improved sexual stamina is nice, but the exhaustion and abdominal pain is what makes me unable to
take it. Also had a dumbass yesterday snort at least 6 adderall.

 

dwade: Yet i was disqualified from the military because of it.


Really.Most recruiters look at that and think Special Operations. It seems that people who have ADD are hard wired for oh shiat situations.

/Paramedic.
 
2013-06-26 06:30:05 PM  

fickenchucker: jst3p: Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".

This. I was a skeptic until I met my girlfriends kid. Now I am sold. She refuses to put him on meds (a decision I support). It takes a lot of work but in his case it can be managed/worked around without it. He is also a very bright and creative. He is frustrating at times but I would hate to see him on meds if it would change him.

THIS--to both of you.  Certain kids, in low numbers, may need meds, but Jeremy Farking Christmas is the education and medical industry overdoing it.  I would bet 95% of those medicated are just hyper and imaginative little boys who had potential ideas medicated right out of them.


My Ex-wife was a self diagnosed (well Mom diagnosed) sufferer too. She is what made me a skeptic. She may have had a learning disability but nothing I now know about the affliction applies to her, except the "symptoms" everyone has (do you sometimes find it hard to concentrate on school work?). I think her mom found the book "You mean I am not stupid, lazy or crazy?" or whatever it was called and latched on to it for the reason she got mediocre grades in school.
 
2013-06-26 06:30:11 PM  

Fissile: ADHD? Oh yeah, my parents called it "ants in the pants".


Which the medical community used to call, "congratulations, it's a boy!"

/a lifelong disorder, diagnosed at birth. Quite tragic, really...
 
2013-06-26 06:30:13 PM  
Try growing up with my sister and you'd change your mind in a heartbeat - she was diagnosed at age 3 and it was quite apparent she met criteria throughout her childhood and adolescence. My parents were great (well educated and authoritative) so I seriously doubt it was due to bad parenting - plus I was symptom free!

Having spent my entire childhood living with my sister and observing the difficulties she had in spite of seeing specialists and being prescribed medication, I find it hard to believe it doesn't exist. I agree it's overdosenosed and frequently misdiagnosed, but that doesn't negate it's existence.
 
2013-06-26 06:31:11 PM  

jst3p: Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".

This. I was a skeptic until I met my girlfriends kid. Now I am sold. She refuses to put him on meds (a decision I support). It takes a lot of work but in his case it can be managed/worked around without it. He is also a very bright and creative. He is frustrating at times but I would hate to see him on meds if it would change him.


This, times eleventy!

I wasn't diagnosed until my late 30's...and I thank GOD for that!  I only take meds now when certain work activities require it...but, I loathe how easily dr's want to jump on the med train.  There are tons of ways to 'work with it', and learning coping tools that are free of meds go a long way.
 
2013-06-26 06:31:20 PM  
The thing is, of course ADHD is real. A deficit of attention can be cause by countless things though (sleep disorder, reaction to certain foods/substances, psychiatric conditions, neurological disorders etc..). Whats wrong is treating it as some sort of homogenous condition.
 
2013-06-26 06:31:52 PM  
Babysat a kid with real ADHD. Trust me, there is no mistaking it when you see it. These kids can literally not sit down. Most kids, as mentioned previous, are simply suffering from a lack of physical activity. Every parent in the world will tell you that if you want your kids quiet and behaving at home, you run their little tushes off until they're too tired to cause mischeif.
 
2013-06-26 06:32:06 PM  

SteakMan: CruJones: Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say differently.

/adderall = diet coke
//now on Strattera, which works pretty well for me

Strattera worked for me but I couldn't handle the side effects.  Delayed or disconnected orgasms are just weird.  I could deal with that, but as soon as I had my first painful orgasm?  that was it, no more thank you.


My "research" seemed to show people have pretty different reactions.  Luckily I've avoided most side effects, and what I had have been fading.  It's even had positive side effects on my digestive system.  I had my gall bladder out years ago, but this seems to somehow counter that issue.
 
2013-06-26 06:33:00 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: SteakMan: CruJones: Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say differently.

/adderall = diet coke
//now on Strattera, which works pretty well for me

Strattera worked for me but I couldn't handle the side effects.  Delayed or disconnected orgasms are just weird.  I could deal with that, but as soon as I had my first painful orgasm?  that was it, no more thank you.

Have you tried Concerta? Strattera's improved sexual stamina is nice, but the exhaustion and abdominal pain is what makes me unable to
take it. Also had a dumbass yesterday snort at least 6 adderall.

 dwade: Yet i was disqualified from the military because of it.

Really.Most recruiters look at that and think Special Operations. It seems that people who have ADD are hard wired for oh shiat situations.

/Paramedic.

I'm really of the opinion that ADHD is, at least in some cases, a sort of... 'throw back', in a sense?  I know in my case, it's not so much a lack of ability to pay attention, as it is a lack of ability *to tune out stimuli*. As a consequence, I tend to be a lot more *AWARE* of everything, but that's not always useful. I think there's a book called "Hunters in a farmer's world" that talks about this theory.

/Whatever it is, in my family's case, it appears to be genetic, because the eeenntiiireeee mother's side of the family's got it.
//Stratera also seems to work pretty well for me.
 
2013-06-26 06:33:28 PM  

fickenchucker: jst3p: Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".

This. I was a skeptic until I met my girlfriends kid. Now I am sold. She refuses to put him on meds (a decision I support). It takes a lot of work but in his case it can be managed/worked around without it. He is also a very bright and creative. He is frustrating at times but I would hate to see him on meds if it would change him.

THIS--to both of you.  Certain kids, in low numbers, may need meds, but Jeremy Farking Christmas is the education and medical industry overdoing it.  I would bet 95% of those medicated are just hyper and imaginative little boys who had potential ideas medicated right out of them.


Somewhat. My girlfriend's little boy actually wanted to be medicated. Absolutely no impulse control. He wanted to, he tried to, but he couldn't. Now he's so proud of himself being able to accomplish tasks and such, being able to actually learn math and so on. I don't think it's affected his creativity one bit, but it has affected his self control. He's not on it except during school days, and there's a palpable difference on those days. It's not always a black and white "medication kills all his creativity!" thing. If they're doped up to the gills, yes. But sometimes just a little tweak can make a huge difference, like coffee in the morning for many adults.
 
2013-06-26 06:33:31 PM  

GBmanNC:  Whats wrong is treating it as some sort of homogenous condition.


You're thinking of lactose intolerance.
 
2013-06-26 06:33:43 PM  
Most diagnoses for mental disorder are 'made up' in the sense that we can't look inside the brain and point to a broken part and say 'yep, there's your problem right there.' What is ADHD? What is depression? What is schizophrenia? They're all collections of symptoms that some guy or guys 'made up' after observing many people exhibiting the same symptom patterns and problems.

Is the distinction between afflicted and unafflicted arbitrary? Somewhat, yes. But, extreme problems with attention also cause many people distress and difficulty in daily life and so in that sense there is something real that you might call ADHD.
 
2013-06-26 06:33:46 PM  

Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".


I agree.  Even in adulthood, the speed at which we live our lives, combined with the often unengaging nature of our respective jobs, can make people feel that they must have ADD.  I personally liked Doug Stanhope's take on it.

That said, there are people who are truly, truly afflicted.  I am one.  Parents realized something was amiss in first grade.  I wasn't disruptive, I would continuously go into my own little world.  I still do.  Much of the time, it doesn't even matter if I am interested or not.  I just randomly vacate planet earth.  WIthout my medication, my life would likely fall apart.

My new wife was of the opinion that ADD was a fabrication.  When I got busy and neglected to refill my script for a couple of weeks, she very quickly changed her mind.  It was eye opening for her.

Mind you, I am not addicted.  Trying different meds over the years, and going for years without taking anything, my ADD is stronger than my desire to take the medication.  I have to remind myself to take it in the morning.  Often, I'd forget to call in the script, again and again.

Eh, squirell.
 
2013-06-26 06:34:17 PM  

sugarhi: Try growing up with my sister and you'd change your mind in a heartbeat - she was diagnosed at age 3 and it was quite apparent she met criteria throughout her childhood and adolescence. My parents were great (well educated and authoritative) so I seriously doubt it was due to bad parenting - plus I was symptom free!

Having spent my entire childhood living with my sister and observing the difficulties she had in spite of seeing specialists and being prescribed medication, I find it hard to believe it doesn't exist. I agree it's overdosenosed and frequently misdiagnosed, but that doesn't negate it's existence.


Well the key difference is you're not a woman

i kid i kid
 
2013-06-26 06:36:12 PM  
probs just a lot of misdiagnosed bipolar
 
2013-06-26 06:36:21 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: you know what, 3 years ago I would have said that ADHD was just bad parenting. Then I met Ethan. That boy needs to be medicated smacked.

 
2013-06-26 06:37:29 PM  

Pitabred: fickenchucker: jst3p: Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".

This. I was a skeptic until I met my girlfriends kid. Now I am sold. She refuses to put him on meds (a decision I support). It takes a lot of work but in his case it can be managed/worked around without it. He is also a very bright and creative. He is frustrating at times but I would hate to see him on meds if it would change him.

THIS--to both of you.  Certain kids, in low numbers, may need meds, but Jeremy Farking Christmas is the education and medical industry overdoing it.  I would bet 95% of those medicated are just hyper and imaginative little boys who had potential ideas medicated right out of them.

Somewhat. My girlfriend's little boy actually wanted to be medicated. Absolutely no impulse control. He wanted to, he tried to, but he couldn't. Now he's so proud of himself being able to accomplish tasks and such, being able to actually learn math and so on. I don't think it's affected his creativity one bit, but it has affected his self control. He's not on it except during school days, and there's a palpable difference on those days. It's not always a black and white "medication kills all his creativity!" thing. If they're doped up to the gills, yes. But sometimes just a little tweak can make a huge difference, like coffee in the morning for many adults.


The case I deal with is moderate. He lacks impulse control to some degree but he is still pretty functional. He is above grade level in Math and Language Arts so we just learn to work with it. Things like giving him one instruction at a time. We tell the other kids "Go clean your room." We tell him "Go pick up all the dirty clothes in your room and come back to us. Now go pick up all your toys and put them away then come back to us. Now go pick up any papers on your floor. Put them away or throw them away and come back to us." etc. I agree that medication isn't instant loss of creativity, we just don't want to take the chance if we don't need to. Great kid, most of the time. A lot of work too.
 
2013-06-26 06:37:43 PM  
"...setthemupforalifeofdrugaddictionandfailure." waithow?
 
2013-06-26 06:38:23 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: sugarhi: Try growing up with my sister and you'd change your mind in a heartbeat - she was diagnosed at age 3 and it was quite apparent she met criteria throughout her childhood and adolescence. My parents were great (well educated and authoritative) so I seriously doubt it was due to bad parenting - plus I was symptom free!

Having spent my entire childhood living with my sister and observing the difficulties she had in spite of seeing specialists and being prescribed medication, I find it hard to believe it doesn't exist. I agree it's overdosenosed and frequently misdiagnosed, but that doesn't negate it's existence.

Well the key difference is you're not a woman

i kid i kid


Then what are these boobs doing here on my chest?!!?!

o.O
 
2013-06-26 06:39:10 PM  
The only sentence you need to read from that article:

"Psychiatric profession all about generating obscene profits for Big Pharma"
(because it concisely summarizes the derp in the rest of it)
 
2013-06-26 06:39:48 PM  

sugarhi: The Stealth Hippopotamus: sugarhi: Try growing up with my sister and you'd change your mind in a heartbeat - she was diagnosed at age 3 and it was quite apparent she met criteria throughout her childhood and adolescence. My parents were great (well educated and authoritative) so I seriously doubt it was due to bad parenting - plus I was symptom free!

Having spent my entire childhood living with my sister and observing the difficulties she had in spite of seeing specialists and being prescribed medication, I find it hard to believe it doesn't exist. I agree it's overdosenosed and frequently misdiagnosed, but that doesn't negate it's existence.

Well the key difference is you're not a woman

i kid i kid

Then what are these boobs doing here on my chest?!!?!

o.O


Well whose boobs are they?
 
2013-06-26 06:40:58 PM  
Wow. A lot of defensive drug addicts in here.
 
2013-06-26 06:41:43 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Wow. A lot of defensive drug addicts in here.


butbutbutspeedisn'tadrugbro
 
2013-06-26 06:41:45 PM  
While I suspect many disorders are real, I believe that most sufferers are not inherent sufferers -- that is to say, their symptoms arise from the stresses of living in our modern environment. We've seen time and again how our civilization can make animals quite neurotic, but fail to recognize that it does the same thing to us.

These people aren't defective, most of them, our understanding of what humans need to thrive is defective. But improving rapidly.
 
2013-06-26 06:42:46 PM  

jst3p: Pitabred: fickenchucker: jst3p: Pitabred: [trim]


The case I deal with is moderate. He lacks impulse control to some degree but he is still pretty functional. He is above grade level in Math and Language Arts so we just learn to work with it. Things like giving him one instruction at a time. We tell the other kids "Go clean your room." We tell him "Go pick up all the dirty clothes in your room and come back to us. Now go pick up all your toys and put them away then come back to us. Now go pick up any papers on your floor. Put them away or throw them away and come back to us." etc. I agree that medication isn't instant loss of creativity, we just don't want to take the chance if we don't need to. Great kid, most of the time. A lot of work too.

Exactly. Each case is unique. I just hate how binary so many people are about things like this, and perhaps I read that into your reply. The "medication is never the answer!" crowd can be just as hard to deal with sometimes as the "let's dope 'em all up so I don't have to deal with them!" crowd, both just want a single tool to label everything with. The world is shades of grey, and what works for one case will not necessarily be appropriate in the other. Some kids need the medication, some don't, some just need it situationally, as BeatrixK noted in her story.
 
2013-06-26 06:42:49 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Wow. A lot of defensive drug addicts in here.


Seriously.  Grow a set of balls and become a raging alcoholic like the rest of us.
 
2013-06-26 06:43:01 PM  

Dr.Zom: GBmanNC:  Whats wrong is treating it as some sort of homogenous condition.

You're thinking of lactose intolerance.


Heh, I'm trying to find whether I actually used that word correctly. I'm pretty sure I did, but the google is confusing on the subject.
 
2013-06-26 06:43:26 PM  
 
2013-06-26 06:43:33 PM  

sugarhi: The Stealth Hippopotamus: sugarhi: Try growing up with my sister and you'd change your mind in a heartbeat - she was diagnosed at age 3 and it was quite apparent she met criteria throughout her childhood and adolescence. My parents were great (well educated and authoritative) so I seriously doubt it was due to bad parenting - plus I was symptom free!

Having spent my entire childhood living with my sister and observing the difficulties she had in spite of seeing specialists and being prescribed medication, I find it hard to believe it doesn't exist. I agree it's overdosenosed and frequently misdiagnosed, but that doesn't negate it's existence.

Well the key difference is you're not a woman

i kid i kid

Then what are these boobs doing here on my chest?!!?!

o.O


Send me a picture of them, I will work around the cock to identify them.
 
2013-06-26 06:47:32 PM  
I've only really met a couple of people that I ever thought really did have adhd. One was this little girl that zoomed around all goddamn day like a squirrel on crack. No amount of punishment could get her to sit down and focus on anything for more than a minute or so. It seems her meds weren't working for her. The other one is my fiance's nephew. He's a grown man but you can tell with how he darts from one thing to the other that there's something wrong,yes he was diagnosed with adhd when he was kid. His son also has adhd too.

The rest of the other kids I've met that have been diagnosed with adhd? I think they were just an easy way for their parents to get Ritalin snort.
 
2013-06-26 06:47:51 PM  

MyRandomName: People get bored. Life isn't always exciting. This doesn't need to be a medical diagnosis, it can sometimes just be life.

What's the updated % of population with some mental disorder, up to 15% yet?


Probably a lot higher.  The frustrating thing is that if a doctor suggests you have depression, life insurance companies lump you into the same category as smokers and extreme-sports enthusiasts.  Not because having depression increases their odds of paying out (life expectancy is unchanged, they don't pay on suicides) but just because they can.
 
2013-06-26 06:48:16 PM  

GBmanNC: Dr.Zom: GBmanNC:  Whats wrong is treating it as some sort of homogenous condition.

You're thinking of lactose intolerance.

Heh, I'm trying to find whether I actually used that word correctly. I'm pretty sure I did, but the google is confusing on the subject.


The dictionary says yes:  http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/homogeneous
 
2013-06-26 06:48:35 PM  
You know, I read a lot of his writings over the years and SQUIRREL!
 
2013-06-26 06:51:02 PM  
Lol - thanks for cracking me up, guys :D
 
2013-06-26 06:52:02 PM  

GBmanNC: Dr.Zom: GBmanNC:  Whats wrong is treating it as some sort of homogenous condition.

You're thinking of lactose intolerance.

Heh, I'm trying to find whether I actually used that word correctly. I'm pretty sure I did, but the google is confusing on the subject.


Sort of. Uniform might have been better, but you get the point across.
 
2013-06-26 06:53:38 PM  

Mock26: You know, I read a lot of his writings over the years and SQUIRREL!


gs1.wac.edgecastcdn.net
 
2013-06-26 06:54:00 PM  
No scientific basis (except one tiny clip from a NOVA program about multitasking and concentrating) for any of this, but I blame technology for kids not being able to sit still.  All the multitasking that they are doing makes it hard for them to concentrate for long periods of time.  Also, watch movies and television shows from the past and compare them today.  Today there are a lot more edits than there were 20, 40, 60 years ago.  More and more information is coming at kids in shorter and shorter segments and they get used to it.  A few years ago a friend of mine was trying to introduce his teenage sons into classic movies and he tried to show them The Rope.  He said that the kids could barely sit still after about 15 minutes and they did not make it all the way through the movie.  They could not stand it.  He blames the complete and total lack of edits as the reason.
 
2013-06-26 06:54:58 PM  

ennuie: While I suspect many disorders are real, I believe that most sufferers are not inherent sufferers -- that is to say, their symptoms arise from the stresses of living in our modern environment. We've seen time and again how our civilization can make animals quite neurotic, but fail to recognize that it does the same thing to us.

These people aren't defective, most of them, our understanding of what humans need to thrive is defective. But improving rapidly.


So you wouldn't treat the symptoms at all for 'non-inherent sufferers'? You'd treat them differently? Until you can distinguish the inherent from non-inherent sufferers (and can define what that means precisely), why treat the two groups separately? (what if you gave someone the wrong treatment)
 
2013-06-26 06:57:16 PM  

Mock26: No scientific basis (except one tiny clip from a NOVA program about multitasking and concentrating) for any of this, but I blame technology for kids not being able to sit still.  All the multitasking that they are doing makes it hard for them to concentrate for long periods of time.  Also, watch movies and television shows from the past and compare them today.  Today there are a lot more edits than there were 20, 40, 60 years ago.  More and more information is coming at kids in shorter and shorter segments and they get used to it.  A few years ago a friend of mine was trying to introduce his teenage sons into classic movies and he tried to show them The Rope.  He said that the kids could barely sit still after about 15 minutes and they did not make it all the way through the movie.  They could not stand it.  He blames the complete and total lack of edits as the reason.


Or maybe the movie just sucks and even the director agreed...

Alfred Hitchcock called "Rope" an "experiment that didn't work out," and he was happy to see it kept out of release for most of three decades.
 
2013-06-26 06:57:17 PM  
After seeing how my teenage son acted on one half of a dose of Ritalin, it was bye-bye drugs and back to behavior modification, diet supervision, and strict bedtimes.  Now, he's back to the surly, disrespectful, whining drama llama that I know so very well, even if he moves at warp speed.
 
2013-06-26 06:57:53 PM  
Oh, look, this thread again.

ADD/ADHD exists.

And your jokes are unfunny, repetitious, unoriginal, and in poor taste.
 
2013-06-26 06:59:42 PM  
Any time you hear "deathbed reversal", you can be guaranteed it's a load of crap.

"DARWIN RECANTED ON HIS DEATHBED" -- Darwin's daughter claims the woman who said this never visited Darwin.

"EINSTEIN RECANTED ON HIS DEATHBED" -- his nurse never said this. His last words were in German, but his nurse didn't speak German.

"THE DISCOVERER OF JAVA MAN ADMITTED IT WAS A HOAX BEFORE HE DIED" -- Eugene Dubois never said anything to that effect. Almost every creationist website confuses Java Man with Piltdown Man, a genuine hoax fully debunked in 1953, but never really accepted into the scientific community, except for a few high profile backers like Arthur Keith. Meanwhile, we now have enough of Java Man's cousins to know that Homo erectus was not any sort of hoax.
 
2013-06-26 07:00:22 PM  
News Flash, most of the medical profession is full of crap.  It's all about the Benjamin's.
 
2013-06-26 07:00:54 PM  

Sid_6.7: Oh, look, this thread again.

ADD/ADHD exists.

And your jokes are unfunny, repetitious, unoriginal, and in poor taste.


If my experience with my stepson is any indicator you will get over it. In like five minutes. Completely over it and on to a completely different emotion.
 
2013-06-26 07:01:16 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Wow. A lot of defensive drug addicts in here.

Seriously.  Grow a set of balls and become a raging alcoholic like the rest of us.


I'M NOT RAGING!!!
 
2013-06-26 07:01:20 PM  

jst3p: Mock26: No scientific basis (except one tiny clip from a NOVA program about multitasking and concentrating) for any of this, but I blame technology for kids not being able to sit still.  All the multitasking that they are doing makes it hard for them to concentrate for long periods of time.  Also, watch movies and television shows from the past and compare them today.  Today there are a lot more edits than there were 20, 40, 60 years ago.  More and more information is coming at kids in shorter and shorter segments and they get used to it.  A few years ago a friend of mine was trying to introduce his teenage sons into classic movies and he tried to show them The Rope.  He said that the kids could barely sit still after about 15 minutes and they did not make it all the way through the movie.  They could not stand it.  He blames the complete and total lack of edits as the reason.

Or maybe the movie just sucks and even the director agreed...

Alfred Hitchcock called "Rope" an "experiment that didn't work out," and he was happy to see it kept out of release for most of three decades.


The movie does not suck.  Love that movie.
Regardless of that though, what he said was right.
 
2013-06-26 07:04:22 PM  

The All-Powerful Atheismo: jst3p: Mock26: No scientific basis (except one tiny clip from a NOVA program about multitasking and concentrating) for any of this, but I blame technology for kids not being able to sit still.  All the multitasking that they are doing makes it hard for them to concentrate for long periods of time.  Also, watch movies and television shows from the past and compare them today.  Today there are a lot more edits than there were 20, 40, 60 years ago.  More and more information is coming at kids in shorter and shorter segments and they get used to it.  A few years ago a friend of mine was trying to introduce his teenage sons into classic movies and he tried to show them The Rope.  He said that the kids could barely sit still after about 15 minutes and they did not make it all the way through the movie.  They could not stand it.  He blames the complete and total lack of edits as the reason.

Or maybe the movie just sucks and even the director agreed...

Alfred Hitchcock called "Rope" an "experiment that didn't work out," and he was happy to see it kept out of release for most of three decades.

The movie does not suck.  Love that movie.
Regardless of that though, what he said was right.


Seems legit.
 
2013-06-26 07:04:59 PM  
So, like the female orgasm and the moon landing?

/returns to counting Krugerrands.
 
2013-06-26 07:05:12 PM  

Fallout Boy: Psychiatry is a pseudoscience. You dont know it like I do.


Don't be glib.
 
2013-06-26 07:06:58 PM  

jst3p: Regardless of that though, what he said was right.

Seems legit.


He was right about movies in the past having fewer cuts, and people being able to sit through them more easily.  That says little about the cause.
 
2013-06-26 07:09:36 PM  

joeflood: Hrm, uses CCHR as a source?  Yay Scientology!


A laundry list of comments, and one man gets it right...

Bravo Sir, I had to check the thread before I posted something similar and found your comment... Welcome to my favorites list..
 
2013-06-26 07:11:17 PM  

jst3p: If my experience with my stepson is any indicator you will get over it. In like five minutes. Completely over it and on to a completely different emotion.


In my experience, you're a deeply ignorant and close-minded person with little self-awareness and a gnawing lack of self-confidence.
 
2013-06-26 07:12:41 PM  

Crolack: Partially True, according to snopes -


Kagan: That's correct; it is an invention. Every child who's not doing well in school is sent to see a pediatrician, and the pediatrician says: "It's ADHD; here's Ritalin." In fact, 90 percent of these 5.4 million kids don't have an abnormal dopamine metabolism. The problem is, if a drug is available to doctors, they'll make the corresponding diagnosis.

So he said it's overdiagnosed, which is pretty close to saying it doesn't exist.
Except that is literally not close to saying something doesn't exist. Bad snopes.
 
2013-06-26 07:13:15 PM  

fusillade762: Triumph: tl;dr

Dammit.


What's this tl;dr about?
Been away from Fark for awhile...
 
2013-06-26 07:15:13 PM  

Cruzen: fusillade762: Triumph: tl;dr

Dammit.

What's this tl;dr about?
Been away from Fark for awhile...


It stands for "too long; didn't read".

Sometimes it is used seriously, and sometimes not.
 
2013-06-26 07:15:36 PM  

Sid_6.7: jst3p: If my experience with my stepson is any indicator you will get over it. In like five minutes. Completely over it and on to a completely different emotion.

In my experience, you're a deeply ignorant and close-minded person with little self-awareness and a gnawing lack of self-confidence.


Someone is having a rough day. Have a beer, it will get better.
 
2013-06-26 07:16:22 PM  

Gabrielmot: joeflood: Hrm, uses CCHR as a source?  Yay Scientology!

A laundry list of comments, and one man gets it right...

Bravo Sir, I had to check the thread before I posted something similar and found your comment... Welcome to my favorites list..


I, too, applaud joeflood for being able to quantify my own gut reaction that this hatchet job was strongly tinged with the
stink of Scientology.
 
2013-06-26 07:16:33 PM  
www.i-mockery.com

It was all a joke.
 
2013-06-26 07:18:14 PM  

Son of Thunder: Oh I completely trust a source that is telling me how I can cure cancer with nutrition.


You know who else thought you could cure cancer with nutrition?

www.docbigs.net

So shut your whore mouth, or this guy will shut it for you!

/unless he's dead, of course
 
2013-06-26 07:20:08 PM  

GhostFish: This isn't really true. It's a mischaracterization of a mistranslation.

Spreading this is about as helpful as spreading the idea that vaccines cause autism.


I *think* I agree with you. From what I've gathered, there is no question regarding the symptoms comprising ADHD; it's the attributable pathology (I think that's the right term) that is fuzzy. In other words, a number of overlapping (and likely un-defined, as of yet) disorders may often be misdiagnosed as ADHD. When kindergarten teachers and school nurses feel confident enough to offer an ADHD diagnosis, it may be that the diagnostic criteria are a bit too elastic.

Operating as if ADHD is a fictitious disorder without first having more precise, accurate diagnoses for that symptoms set would cause a lot of harm toward a lot of folks.
 
2013-06-26 07:28:28 PM  

Holographic Shimmering Pork: GhostFish: This isn't really true. It's a mischaracterization of a mistranslation.

Spreading this is about as helpful as spreading the idea that vaccines cause autism.

I *think* I agree with you. From what I've gathered, there is no question regarding the symptoms comprising ADHD; it's the attributable pathology (I think that's the right term) that is fuzzy. In other words, a number of overlapping (and likely un-defined, as of yet) disorders may often be misdiagnosed as ADHD. When kindergarten teachers and school nurses feel confident enough to offer an ADHD diagnosis, it may be that the diagnostic criteria are a bit too elastic.

Operating as if ADHD is a fictitious disorder without first having more precise, accurate diagnoses for that symptoms set would cause a lot of harm toward a lot of folks.


Right. The important thing to remember is that psychology is a very young science. Imagine if a thousand years ago we'd decided "this alchemy stuff is crap! Let's never speak of it again!" We would hardly have modern chemistry, would we?

jst3p: Sid_6.7: jst3p: If my experience with my stepson is any indicator you will get over it. In like five minutes. Completely over it and on to a completely different emotion.

In my experience, you're a deeply ignorant and close-minded person with little self-awareness and a gnawing lack of self-confidence.

Someone is having a rough day. Have a beer, it will get better.


I'll put it to you this way:

Do you casually make fun of paraplegics or the bipolar? To their faces? No? Then why the f*ck would you make fun of people with other problems?

And if you do, then see my above comment.
 
2013-06-26 07:28:37 PM  

AngryDragon: Not surprised.

For every parent that thinks their little snowflake is inflicted by a terrible disorder, let me say this.  Does your teenager have difficulty concentrating?  Does he have the attention span of a squirrel?  Does he misbehave and rebel against authority?  Does he no longer consider you to be top of the food chain in the family?  Does he do poorly in school and get into trouble with alcohol, cigarettes, pot, and girls?  Do you know what that's called?

Adolescence.

Either that or your kid's an asshole.


That exactly describes one of my special ed students, who does 'have' ADHD. I strongly suspect that his only issue is that no one bothered to teach him academic discipline (i.e., do your homework before playing with toys/video games/etc.). In fact, most of my special ed students are like that: no parental support for school. The parents have the attitude that school exists for free babysitting and socialization activities and the kid adopts that attitude as well.

Of my caseload of 15 kids, four had actual disabilities IMO. The other 11 would have benefited from a swift kick in the rear.
 
2013-06-26 07:29:33 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Wow. A lot of defensive drug addicts in here.


www.metrocookinghouston.com
What a defensive drug addict might look like.
 
2013-06-26 07:29:34 PM  
We live in a world that all but caters directly to what we think of the ADHD mind as.  If people hook into it, then obviously it's going to exist.  The key is fighting it somehow, and until we get up off our asses that won't be happening.
 
2013-06-26 07:30:41 PM  
We don't treat the disease.  We treat the symptoms which are very real. I'm part of a drug discovery program and the reason you give stimulants is to produce the stereotypy that typically leads to focused attention seen with many stimulants.  The problem with hyperactivity is they have a very high basal level of dopamine stimulation leading to distraction and so the thought would be to excite them more until they're on the other side of the U-shaped dose-response and can focus again.  And yes, it's incredibly over prescribed and used as a study aide.
 
2013-06-26 07:32:41 PM  

Sid_6.7: jst3p: Sid_6.7: jst3p: If my experience with my stepson is any indicator you will get over it. In like five minutes. Completely over it and on to a completely different emotion.

In my experience, you're a deeply ignorant and close-minded person with little self-awareness and a gnawing lack of self-confidence.

Someone is having a rough day. Have a beer, it will get better.

I'll put it to you this way:

Do you casually make fun of paraplegics or the bipolar? To their faces? No? Then why the f*ck would you make fun of people with other problems?

And if you do, then see my above comment.


If you come to fark expecting any other outcome, you are naive at best.

Step 1. Go to a website that you know mocks EVERYTHING
Step 2. See your condition mocked
Step 3. POUTRAGE!

static4.cdnmousebreaker.com
 
2013-06-26 07:38:56 PM  

jst3p: Sid_6.7: jst3p: Sid_6.7: jst3p: If my experience with my stepson is any indicator you will get over it. In like five minutes. Completely over it and on to a completely different emotion.

In my experience, you're a deeply ignorant and close-minded person with little self-awareness and a gnawing lack of self-confidence.

Someone is having a rough day. Have a beer, it will get better.

I'll put it to you this way:

Do you casually make fun of paraplegics or the bipolar? To their faces? No? Then why the f*ck would you make fun of people with other problems?

And if you do, then see my above comment.

If you come to fark expecting any other outcome, you are naive at best.

Step 1. Go to a website that you know mocks EVERYTHING
Step 2. See your condition mocked
Step 3. POUTRAGE!

[static4.cdnmousebreaker.com image 192x144]


You seem awfully defensive. By the way, your mouth a little sore? Like you bit something sharp?
 
2013-06-26 07:39:14 PM  

Sid_6.7: Cruzen: fusillade762: Triumph: tl;dr

Dammit.

What's this tl;dr about?
Been away from Fark for awhile...

It stands for "too long; didn't read".

Sometimes it is used seriously, and sometimes not.


Ah. Thanks Sid!
 
2013-06-26 07:39:32 PM  
If anyone has any real questions about it, I used to teach a lecture to the med students on CNS stimulants and other drugs of abuse. EIP
 
2013-06-26 07:40:36 PM  

Sid_6.7: You seem awfully defensive. By the way, your mouth a little sore? Like you bit something sharp?


Not at all but I appreciate your concern.
 
2013-06-26 07:42:09 PM  
I stopped reading at "Big Pharma."
 
2013-06-26 07:47:37 PM  

MyRandomName: People get bored. Life isn't always exciting. This doesn't need to be a medical diagnosis, it can sometimes just be life.

What's the updated % of population with some mental disorder, up to 15% yet?


maybe all the people diagnose are themselves mentally ill?
 
2013-06-26 07:49:07 PM  

jst3p: I have always wondered if the psychiatric community was in bed with the.... LOOK A SQUIRREL!


victorystickers.com
 
2013-06-26 07:57:15 PM  

CruJones: Ask anyone who knows me and they'll say differently.

/adderall = diet coke
//now on Strattera, which works pretty well for me


why dont you try hitting the gym and running five or ten  miles in the morning before school or work then ? i'm sure that will slow you down.
 
2013-06-26 07:59:16 PM  

Richard Sauce: probs just a lot of misdiagnosed bipolar


I wonder this, too.  I used to have so much energy that I'd actually be up for several days at a time and would begin to hallucinate.  Couldn't concentrate on anything to save my life.  Sleep was a foreign concept.  It's what I imagine meth to be like.  I refused to try any ADHD drugs because they're stimulants, and the LAST thing I needed was more energy.  I was hospitalized when the psychosis got so bad that I thought I would kill either myself or someone else.

I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and put on lithium and Seroquel.  I feel like a new farking person.  I'm a crunchy Earth hippie who would rather not take any medication, but I've accepted that I need these medications (as well as one for my ulcerative colitis) to live.  Sometimes things in your body don't work correctly, and natural therapies don't do the job.
 
2013-06-26 08:03:42 PM  
FTFA - It was never actually proven to exist as a verifiable disease, despite the fact that Eisenberg and many others profited handsomely from its widespread diagnosis.

And we are done here.

/whether this exist or not, the fact as stated above is the main reason it is around and used as much as it is.

//Well, that and 99% of you surly adults seem to have forgotten your own childhood. Now, sit down, shut up and act like me!
 
2013-06-26 08:04:34 PM  
You know who else admitted making shiat up?

4.bp.blogspot.com

/hot
 
2013-06-26 08:05:05 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: Have you tried Concerta? Strattera's improved sexual stamina is nice, but the exhaustion and abdominal pain is what makes me unable to
take it. Also had a dumbass yesterday snort at least 6 adderall.


Aside from Stratera causing my BP to bottom out to dangerously low levels, it caused detached orgasms. I would either ejaculate with no orgasm at all, or the orgasm would be delayed by a few seconds, and not just intense, but painfully so.
 
2013-06-26 08:08:26 PM  

payattention: And we are done here.

/whether this exist or not, the fact as stated above is the main reason it is around and used as much as it is.

//Well, that and 99% of you surly adults seem to have forgotten your own childhood. Now, sit down, shut up and act like me!


CSB: I spent three years in an inpatient education setting for severe ADHD and children with other behavioral disorders. I had sixteen different psychiatrists and physicians with the University of Tennessee working on my diagnosis and case (lots of fellows, one attending over three years), and went from making Fs and failing school, to making As and excelling at academics (well, except for math. Math sucks. -.- )

So yes. I remember my childhood. I remember how much it sucked to be labeled a "retarded" kid until my issues were identified and treated by someone who actually knew what they were doing.

I also know that School Teachers are not doctors, and should be smacked with an iron across the face when they diagnose medical problems in children, and that family doctors have no place prescribing psychoactive medication in children.
 
2013-06-26 08:09:33 PM  
FROM TFA:  which means that millions of young children today are being needlessly prescribed severe mind-altering drugs that will set them up for a life of drug addiction and failure.

And here is the point where I call bullshiat on the article. But not without reason.

As a now adult who was diagnosed with ADD (which I guess is now part of ADHD) when I was a child, I can tell you from my experience ADD is very real. And for some it is worse than others. In school I couldn't EVER concentrate unless I was on my medication. I mean I couldn't focus more than (what felt like) a few seconds at a time. I would not have made it out of school without the medication because even on it, focusing was a challenge. I started on it in the fourth grade and stopped taking it shortly before I graduated, believing I would have to learn to live without it at some point. I learned during the last semester of my Senior Year (all throwaway classes because I had all my credits) to live without the medicine. Knowing me now you'd have a slight inclination that I might have ADD, but wouldn't know for sure unless I told you about it. I know how to control my concentration and even though others don't have this ability without medication, I feel proud of myself for having gotten off it without downing those who haven't. Its like any other disease, some need medication others don't.

Although one benefit of having ADD is that I can multi-task very easily and actually challenge myself to see how many things I can focus on at one time. One drawback is my short term memory sucks, because my mind will switch subjects without storing information sometimes. Which another thing about people with ADD/ADHD, our minds move at 1,000 miles per hour and don't stop until we fall asleep.
 
2013-06-26 08:11:17 PM  
You know a website is legit when it has a heading for Truthtm that is separate from its Health, News, Science, and Technology sections.
 
2013-06-26 08:12:31 PM  

Dr.Zom: I would suggest meditation or yoga for high strung kids but I've heard that invites demonic possession.


Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Maybe bringing back old-fashioned gym class and good recess would help run off some energy. I, personally, am always better able to focus after some good exercise or even a leasurly walk.

Besides, the little porkers could stand to do a few more jumping jacks anyway.
 
2013-06-26 08:14:20 PM  
inside != outside
inside is torment
fark this dead guy
/not a necrophile
 
2013-06-26 08:14:55 PM  

Abox: You know a website is legit when it has a heading for Truthtm that is separate from its Health, News, Science, and Technology sections.


You're telling me sites like Infowars and NaturalNews aren't reliable?

....next you'll be telling me that Fox News writes articles with a distinct bias.....and that's absolutely crazy, right?

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-26 08:18:00 PM  
"overdosenosed" is my new favorite word.
 
2013-06-26 08:18:56 PM  
My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up
 
2013-06-26 08:20:57 PM  

spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up


If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.
 
2013-06-26 08:24:18 PM  
Apparently ADD/ADHD will soon have a rival: digital dementia, or maybe it's another member of the family.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/southkorea/10138403/S ur ge-in-digital-dementia.html

Agree the disorders are real; also agree it is way over-diagnosed and an easy excuse for cr*p parenting/teaching by many.
 
2013-06-26 08:27:40 PM  
"He sounds like a prime candidate for medication," said the psychiatrist who hadn't even laid eyes on my son yet, after listening to mom recite second-hand teachers' anecdotes for a whole ten minutes.

I wanted to walk out but she had custody and control of medical decisions.

Six years later, I  got custody and weaned him off that shiat. Got my real son back, and life got better.

Farking scary, though, when your 12 year-old is on his knees in front of you crying like a baby and begging for his "fix," as he called it.  Glad that only happened once.

YMMV.  I wouldn't put a child on ADHD meds without three opinions.
 
2013-06-26 08:31:56 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: "He sounds like a prime candidate for medication," said the psychiatrist who hadn't even laid eyes on my son yet, after listening to mom recite second-hand teachers' anecdotes for a whole ten minutes.

I wanted to walk out but she had custody and control of medical decisions.

Six years later, I  got custody and weaned him off that shiat. Got my real son back, and life got better.

Farking scary, though, when your 12 year-old is on his knees in front of you crying like a baby and begging for his "fix," as he called it.  Glad that only happened once.

YMMV.  I wouldn't put a child on ADHD meds without three opinions.


Agreed, CNS stimulants are pretty addictive.  The withdrawal symptoms are mild compared to a lot of other substances of abuse, but it will decrease heart rate and respiration and produce a mild depression.  In kids, mild depression can be exacerbated by hormones and is the real danger.  Could lead to suicide.  MD's need to be more careful prescribing this shiat. You don't see the prescribing benzo's anymore because they know that shiat is dangerously addictive and the withdrawal can kill you.
 
2013-06-26 08:33:21 PM  
i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!
 
2013-06-26 08:33:24 PM  

Abuse Liability: spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up

If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.


I'm writing on a phone ya dildo farmer.
 
2013-06-26 08:36:15 PM  

spentshells: Abuse Liability: spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up

If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.

I'm writing on a phone ya dildo farmer.


I was just teasing you.  You can tell by the way I congratulated you on the apostrophe.  No offense, I was just going for a mental retardation joke, even though you can obviously form complete and coherent thoughts
 
2013-06-26 08:42:09 PM  
Its still real to me, damn it!!!!      I was diagnosed after finishing 69th out of 72 in my HS class.

/Diagnosed, medicated and better for it. Ask my girlfriend, my Bachelors degree or my employees.
 
2013-06-26 08:43:07 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!


Hope you're getting the generic version, bupropion.  Stuff was patented in 1969 and it looks like they've been expanding its uses quite a bit.  Depression, smoking cessation, sexual dysfunction, seasonal affective disorder, weight loss,  and oh yeah, ADHD.
 
2013-06-26 08:46:03 PM  

Abuse Liability: spentshells: Abuse Liability: spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up

If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.

I'm writing on a phone ya dildo farmer.

I was just teasing you.  You can tell by the way I congratulated you on the apostrophe.  No offense, I was just going for a mental retardation joke, even though you can obviously form complete and coherent thoughts


Oh come on guy.
 
2013-06-26 08:46:37 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Hope you're getting the generic version, bupropion.  Stuff was patented in 1969 and it looks like they've been expanding its uses quite a bit.  Depression, smoking cessation, sexual dysfunction, seasonal affective disorder, weight loss,  and oh yeah, ADHD.


Yeah, buproprion wasn't released into the market until about 20 years after its synthesis.  Most drugs make it in about 12-14 years.  Turns out it has a huge abuse liability when given intravenously and so they shut the program down till six years later when they found out it had great oral bioavailability.  Much better for you as its pretty much a partial dopamine receptor agonist.  You won't see nearly the sympathetic nervous system response with other ADHD medication.  Just do yourself a favor and don't solubilize it and inject it IV. You will get high.
 
2013-06-26 09:00:04 PM  

Professor Farksworth: FROM TFA:  which means that millions of young children today are being needlessly prescribed severe mind-altering drugs that will set them up for a life of drug addiction and failure.

And here is the point where I call bullshiat on the article. But not without reason.

As a now adult who was diagnosed with ADD (which I guess is now part of ADHD) when I was a child, I can tell you from my experience ADD is very real. And for some it is worse than others. In school I couldn't EVER concentrate unless I was on my medication. I mean I couldn't focus more than (what felt like) a few seconds at a time. I would not have made it out of school without the medication because even on it, focusing was a challenge. I started on it in the fourth grade and stopped taking it shortly before I graduated, believing I would have to learn to live without it at some point. I learned during the last semester of my Senior Year (all throwaway classes because I had all my credits) to live without the medicine. Knowing me now you'd have a slight inclination that I might have ADD, but wouldn't know for sure unless I told you about it. I know how to control my concentration and even though others don't have this ability without medication, I feel proud of myself for having gotten off it without downing those who haven't. Its like any other disease, some need medication others don't.

Although one benefit of having ADD is that I can multi-task very easily and actually challenge myself to see how many things I can focus on at one time. One drawback is my short term memory sucks, because my mind will switch subjects without storing information sometimes. Which another thing about people with ADD/ADHD, our minds move at 1,000 miles per hour and don't stop until we fall asleep.


Of course ADD is real.  So is SUBTRACTION.
 
2013-06-26 09:03:54 PM  

Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!


Heh heh heh
 
2013-06-26 09:04:43 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-06-26 09:10:19 PM  
lol247pics.com
 
2013-06-26 09:10:29 PM  

megarian: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Heh heh heh


Don't you owe me some BIE?
 
2013-06-26 09:16:32 PM  

Sid_6.7: Oh, look, this thread again.

ADD/ADHD exists.

And your jokes are unfunny, repetitious, unoriginal, and in poor taste.


you just don't fit in here...sorry
 
2013-06-26 09:17:04 PM  
Oh, look - it's this thread again.

If you or someone you know has a child that has been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), chances are the child is actually just fine. At least this is what the "father" of ADHD, Leon Eisenberg, would presumably say if he were still alive.

I'm fairly certain that if he were still alive, he'd still be saying what he said for all those years.  It was only when he thought he would die that he 'fessed up.

Allegedly.
 
2013-06-26 09:20:22 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh, look - it's this thread again.

If you or someone you know has a child that has been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), chances are the child is actually just fine. At least this is what the "father" of ADHD, Leon Eisenberg, would presumably say if he were still alive.

I'm fairly certain that if he were still alive, he'd still be saying what he said for all those years.  It was only when he thought he would die that he 'fessed up.

Allegedly.


I just think its hilarious that some guy tagged a bunch of symptoms and called it a disorder.  The symptoms exist and can be treated.  Years of scientific research have gone into looking at elevated dopamine levels and other cellular/hormonal changes that accompany these symptoms.  This guy just coined a cluster of symptoms and the media wants to pretend that because he made up a diagnosis the pathophysiology doesn't exist?

/snort
 
2013-06-26 09:21:10 PM  

Dr.Zom: WND

 
2013-06-26 09:29:42 PM  
So does everyone on ADHD drugs get a refund?
 
2013-06-26 09:30:40 PM  

GBmanNC: The thing is, of course ADHD is real. A deficit of attention can be cause by countless things though (sleep disorder, reaction to certain foods/substances, psychiatric conditions, neurological disorders etc..). Whats wrong is treating it as some sort of homogenous condition.


My husband was diagnosed with it but the usual medication just made him super wired. He did well with Wellbutrin though so it's more of a dopamine issue for him. The inability to stay focused and the impulse issues pissed him off more than anyone.
 
2013-06-26 09:34:41 PM  
I'm sorry, what's the difference between ADHD and "Millennials" again? Because as far as I'm concerned, they're both labels for fidgety crybabies with no attention span who aren't fit for graduate school.
 
2013-06-26 09:35:00 PM  

Abuse Liability: megarian: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Heh heh heh

Don't you owe me some BIE?


Well, yes. Probably. Yes.
 
2013-06-26 09:38:44 PM  

megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Heh heh heh

Don't you owe me some BIE?

Well, yes. Probably. Yes.


get on it you alcoholic you!
 
2013-06-26 09:44:39 PM  

Crolack: Partially True, according to snopes -


So... whatever Fark admin greenlit this story from 2009 gets tarred and feathered, right?
 
2013-06-26 09:47:59 PM  
Given the subject matter, I'm surprised this thread OH, LOOK A BIRD.
 
2013-06-26 09:48:21 PM  

mizchief: Oh I can't wait till the day when we look at psychology the same way we do religion today.


That's won't ever happen.  Some fields of psychology will fall by the wayside, but skinnerian psychology and reinforcement have been universally upheld as primarily governing behavior.  It will be nice to see some of those "cognitive psychologists gone though"
 
2013-06-26 09:48:48 PM  

Crolack: Partially True, according to snopes -


Not at all.

"Guy who first diagnosed ADHD says the disease is overdiagnosed by others" is not in any way close to saying "I made it all up".
 
2013-06-26 09:52:22 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-26 09:59:22 PM  
Meh, people like speed, it makes them feel energetic, like they can get more done, like they are more organized.......because it's speed.
 
2013-06-26 10:00:58 PM  

spentshells: Abuse Liability: spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up

If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.

I'm writing on a phone ya dildo farmer.


and yet you type 'dildo farmer' perfectly.. Hmmm. Intredasting...

/;)
 
2013-06-26 10:01:13 PM  

Pitabred: jst3p: Pitabred: fickenchucker: jst3p: Pitabred: [trim]

The case I deal with is moderate. He lacks impulse control to some degree but he is still pretty functional. He is above grade level in Math and Language Arts so we just learn to work with it. Things like giving him one instruction at a time. We tell the other kids "Go clean your room." We tell him "Go pick up all the dirty clothes in your room and come back to us. Now go pick up all your toys and put them away then come back to us. Now go pick up any papers on your floor. Put them away or throw them away and come back to us." etc. I agree that medication isn't instant loss of creativity, we just don't want to take the chance if we don't need to. Great kid, most of the time. A lot of work too.

Exactly. Each case is unique. I just hate how binary so many people are about things like this, and perhaps I read that into your reply. The "medication is never the answer!" crowd can be just as hard to deal with sometimes as the "let's dope 'em all up so I don't have to deal with them!" crowd, both just want a single tool to label everything with. The world is shades of grey, and what works for one case will not necessarily be appropriate in the other. Some kids need the medication, some don't, some just need it situationally, as BeatrixK noted in her story.



To all of you in our little thread within a thread--yes to all.

Whodathunk we cretin FARKERS have, in my opinion, more common sense than the general public to show some critical thought and soul-searching before we let others medicate the developing brains of our kids?  I did allow for, and have seen first-hand, that 5% who really need some help.  But I've also seen first-hand parents who trust teachers and doctors way too much and are raising kids who are basically high and tired all the time.

The take-away, I guess, to you young parents or future parents, is to be skeptical of the medical and teaching establishments.  And only medicate your kids to the minimum needed if necessary.
 
2013-06-26 10:24:12 PM  

Pitabred: ADHD/ADD is a real thing. It's also majorly overdiagnosed and overmedicated. A large part of the problem is that we're expecting little kids to just sit still all day and pay attention. Human childhood throughout history has been filled with physical activity... we need it to develop and to grow, mentally and physically. Some more than others, but all of us do. Stripping recess time and PE and such out of schools is probably one of the biggest contributors to the ADHD "epidemic".


but, but, PE and recess don't make profit for bigpharma!
 
2013-06-26 10:30:11 PM  

basemetal: Meh, people like speed, it makes them feel energetic, like they can get more done, like they are more organized.......because it's speed.


Adderall doesn't make me feel energetic.
 
2013-06-26 10:30:43 PM  

Professor Farksworth: FROM TFA:  which means that millions of young children today are being needlessly prescribed severe mind-altering drugs that will set them up for a life of drug addiction and failure.

And here is the point where I call bullshiat on the article. But not without reason.

As a now adult who was diagnosed with ADD (which I guess is now part of ADHD) when I was a child, I can tell you from my experience ADD is very real. And for some it is worse than others. In school I couldn't EVER concentrate unless I was on my medication. I mean I couldn't focus more than (what felt like) a few seconds at a time. I would not have made it out of school without the medication because even on it, focusing was a challenge. I started on it in the fourth grade and stopped taking it shortly before I graduated, believing I would have to learn to live without it at some point. I learned during the last semester of my Senior Year (all throwaway classes because I had all my credits) to live without the medicine. Knowing me now you'd have a slight inclination that I might have ADD, but wouldn't know for sure unless I told you about it. I know how to control my concentration and even though others don't have this ability without medication, I feel proud of myself for having gotten off it without downing those who haven't. Its like any other disease, some need medication others don't.

Although one benefit of having ADD is that I can multi-task very easily and actually challenge myself to see how many things I can focus on at one time. One drawback is my short term memory sucks, because my mind will switch subjects without storing information sometimes. Which another thing about people with ADD/ADHD, our minds move at 1,000 miles per hour and don't stop until we fall asleep.


The part about the short term memory is interesting to me. I have 10 year-old twin boys, one has no cognitive/behavioral/emotional issues but the other was different from the start.

He's seen several psychiatrists and psychologists and has been diagnosed differently by each. We've heard ADHD/OCD, ODD, bipolar disorder, bad parenting, and now autism. I actually don't worry about the label anymore: we've gone to great lengths to get him help however he needs. The autism theory came from a team at his school, and one test revealed he has very limited short term memory. I just thought he was acting out when I ask him 20 times to do something and it's like I never said anything.

Thanks for your story, my kid sounds a lot like you.
 
2013-06-26 10:37:31 PM  

HighZoolander: spentshells: Abuse Liability: spentshells: My mom cured ADHD with slaps

So I'm pqretty sure it's made up

If your spelling is any indication, she may have corrected one problem, only to produce another. I'm glad you used an apostrophe though. Go you.

I'm writing on a phone ya dildo farmer.

and yet you type 'dildo farmer' perfectly.. Hmmm. Intredasting...

/;)


He was going to type "dildo farking asshole" but he got distracted when he saw a tractor.
 
2013-06-26 10:45:54 PM  

Abuse Liability: megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Heh heh heh

Don't you owe me some BIE?

Well, yes. Probably. Yes.

get on it you alcoholic you!


I am not that yet drunk!
 
2013-06-26 10:49:31 PM  

ennuie: While I suspect many disorders are real, I believe that most sufferers are not inherent sufferers -- that is to say, their symptoms arise from the stresses of living in our modern environment. We've seen time and again how our civilization can make animals quite neurotic, but fail to recognize that it does the same thing to us.

These people aren't defective, most of them, our understanding of what humans need to thrive is defective. But improving rapidly.


It isn't just understanding. It's the fact that more of us understand than give a damn. Stress gets things done and makes money, so we learn to tolerate it and don't respect people who can't.
 
2013-06-26 10:54:06 PM  

megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Abuse Liability: megarian: Jon iz teh kewl: i'm starting Wellbutrin tomorrow for ADHD.  wish me luck!

Heh heh heh

Don't you owe me some BIE?

Well, yes. Probably. Yes.

get on it you alcoholic you!

I am not that yet drunk!


Sounds like it! If you're nice you can get some WIE in return. And yes I'm assuming you typed that sentence incorrectly on purpose.
 
2013-06-26 10:55:20 PM  

Crackers Are a Family Food: Richard Sauce: probs just a lot of misdiagnosed bipolar

I wonder this, too.  I used to have so much energy that I'd actually be up for several days at a time and would begin to hallucinate.  Couldn't concentrate on anything to save my life.  Sleep was a foreign concept.  It's what I imagine meth to be like.  I refused to try any ADHD drugs because they're stimulants, and the LAST thing I needed was more energy.  I was hospitalized when the psychosis got so bad that I thought I would kill either myself or someone else.

I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and put on lithium and Seroquel.  I feel like a new farking person.  I'm a crunchy Earth hippie who would rather not take any medication, but I've accepted that I need these medications (as well as one for my ulcerative colitis) to live.  Sometimes things in your body don't work correctly, and natural therapies don't do the job.


*Checks profile* I don't think that medication is working
 
2013-06-26 11:07:58 PM  
Wow, that last paragraph in TFA is just gold. Come work in the mental health field for a while! Then read some psychology or psychiatry journals. No scientific tests? What does that mean? Take a look at the post mortem brain tissue of most schizophrenics. How about brain fMRI's of individuals with OCD. I could go on, but I don't feel like it, I'm too depressed and this about all the time my ADD will allow me to focus.
 
2013-06-26 11:18:21 PM  
Only a matter of time before the headline applies to assburgers?
 
2013-06-26 11:22:27 PM  

Crolack: Partially True, according to snopes -


For the tl;dr crowd:

The claim comes from a bad translation of a German-language article that is taken out of context.  The full, properly translated quote with context is:

"ADHD is a prime example of a fabricated disorder," Eisenberg said. "The genetic predisposition to ADHD is completely overrated."

Instead, child psychiatrists should more thoroughly determine the psychosocial reasons that can lead to behavioral problems, Eisenberg said. Are there fights with parents, are there are problems in the family? Such questions are important, but they take a lot of time, Eisenberg said, adding with a sigh: "Prescribe a pill for it very quickly."


In short, he isn't saying ADHD doesn't exist, he's saying that more often than not ADHD is settled on as the explanation without bothering to check for other causes, because ADHD comes with pills and pills are easy.
 
2013-06-26 11:25:23 PM  
Shut up and buy more government approved amphetamines.
 
2013-06-26 11:51:37 PM  

fickenchucker: Certain kids, in low numbers, may need meds, but Jeremy Farking Christmas is the education and medical industry overdoing it. I would bet 95% of those medicated are just hyper and imaginative little boys who had potential ideas medicated right out of them.


The thing with ADHD meds is that they're all stimulant-based.  Being calmed down by stimulants is NOT a normal reaction.  If you give little Johnny a Ritalin and he's suddenly much more calm then something is going on besides "he's just imaginative".

Felgraf: globalwarmingpraiser: Most recruiters look at that and think Special Operations. It seems that people who have ADD are hard wired for oh shiat situations.

/Paramedic.
I'm really of the opinion that ADHD is, at least in some cases, a sort of... 'throw back', in a sense?  I know in my case, it's not so much a lack of ability to pay attention, as it is a lack of ability *to tune out stimuli*. As a consequence, I tend to be a lot more *AWARE* of everything, but that's not always useful. I think there's a book called "Hunters in a farmer's world" that talks about this theory.


That's my experience as well.  I have a lot of trouble doing anything without multitasking, not because things are boring but because my brain needs to be doing more, seeing more, processing more, and if I don't give it things to do it will make up other things for me to focus on.  It's a rare thing for something to captivate my attention so wholly that I don't have other little random thought processes and stuff going on in the background bugging me for attention.  It's part of why I like certain genres of entertainment so much, especially SciFi and Mystery: there's almost always a good deal of plot complexity or dangling hints in the background so that there's plenty of things for my brain to get caught up in.  While I'm primarily focusing on whatever amusing thing Castle is saying to Beckett, another part of my brain is thinking about his latest worry about Alexis, or how the victim could have possibly gotten blue chalk on his left foot.

And I'm DEFINITELY wired for oh shiat situations.  The minute any sort of crisis hits I've already got three or four plans forming in my head which are surprisingly robust and appropriate.  Pity I can't make those kinds of plans for my everyday life.


Marshal805: The guy saying this is Bradlee Dean.

He's a hardcore Homophobic
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/bradlee-dean-has-epic-meltdown -o ver-minnesotas-gay-marriage-law


He's also BFF's with Michele Bachmann
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2011/05/michele-bachmann-bradlee -d ean


It's easy to dismiss someone as a random internet crackpot.  It's absolutely delightful to find out that you are not only justified, you probably didn't dismiss them hard enough.


Fear the Clam: I'm sorry, what's the difference between ADHD and "Millennials" again? Because as far as I'm concerned, they're both labels for fidgety crybabies with no attention span who aren't fit for graduate school.


Only one of those groups has no problem focusing on episodes of Jersey Shore, American Idol, and figuring out how many YOLOs to throw into their Facebook status updates.


Diodorus: basemetal: Meh, people like speed, it makes them feel energetic, like they can get more done, like they are more organized.......because it's speed.

Adderall doesn't make me feel energetic.


This.  As I said before, the reaction ADHD people have to stimulants is CALMING, not invigorating.  That reaction isn't normal, and indicates that there is indeed a very real physical issue.

I was able to fall asleep on Ritalin when I was taking it.  Clearly there's something wired funny in my brain.
 
2013-06-27 12:03:26 AM  
  Interesting thread
  I suspect I am older than most farkers - did both public and private schools and never heard of ADD, etc until my own son was in school
  It is somewhat hard to come to terms with a syndrome that largely didn't exist (in any long-term and incapacitating way) then but has become epidemic now.
  If I were a new parent I'd be asking some hard questions about the genesis of this illness that seems to be both relatively recent and so widespread - and I would have gone far out of my way to avoid medicating any child who is not in pain (as opposed to merely BEING a pain)
 
2013-06-27 12:54:23 AM  
ITS A CONSPIRACY!
 
2013-06-27 01:13:41 AM  
"If you or someone you know has a child that has been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), chances are the child is actually just fine. At least this is what the "father" of ADHD, Leon Eisenberg, would presumably say if he were still alive...".

Didn't really see any point in reading past that.
 
2013-06-27 01:19:25 AM  
The only way to live with ADHD is to accept that most people will never believe that such a thing exists and will think you're an idiot. Once you accept that it's surprisingly easy. Actually, it's not easy at all, I still hate it.
 
2013-06-27 01:27:31 AM  

Mambo Bananapatch: The only way to live with ADHD is to accept that most people will never believe that such a thing exists and will think you're an idiot. Once you accept that it's surprisingly easy. Actually, it's not easy at all, I still hate it.


People like to believe conspiracy theories.
 
2013-06-27 01:42:41 AM  
Big Pharma eh....

The last person who tried to talk to me about "Big Pharma" also tried to convince me that the Queen was a lizard.

sounds legit
 
2013-06-27 01:51:06 AM  
Dude, your blog sucks.
 
2013-06-27 02:06:00 AM  

my herniated disc: Big Pharma eh....

The last person who tried to talk to me about "Big Pharma" also tried to convince me that the Queen was a lizard.

sounds legit


Only a fool would assume she's not.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-27 02:10:26 AM  
Welp, I see all the major points have been hit. What a terrible article.
 
2013-06-27 02:28:03 AM  

my herniated disc: Big Pharma eh....

The last person who tried to talk to me about "Big Pharma" also tried to convince me that the Queen was a lizard.

sounds legit


Random almost-threadjack: for an amusing, possibly rage-inducing watch, take 50 minutes of your time and watch The Lizards and the Jews.  It is the only time I have ever seen a supposedly respected anti-bigotry organization make a guy who thinks Lizard-people control the world look sane by comparison.
 
2013-06-27 02:28:17 AM  
i560.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-27 02:51:46 AM  

GhostFish: This isn't really true. It's a mischaracterization of a mistranslation.

Spreading this is about as helpful as spreading the idea that vaccines cause autism.


Thats ridiculous. Everyone knows autism is just some made up bullshiat.
 
2013-06-27 04:24:10 AM  
It's hard to believe how much of modern psychology/psychiatry is built upon the foundation of random made up ideas from men with a lot of time on their hands. I'm interested in the subject in general, but in reading textbooks, I get the feeling I'm reading random opinions rather than real science. It is a little better than sociology though; that field is full of subjective non-scientific BS.
 
2013-06-27 05:01:31 AM  

Whatthefark: Oblig South Park clip regarding ADHD.


Alternative SP quote:
Kyle's Mom: "Kyle, you're acting like an 8-year-old CHILD!"
Kyle: "Mom, I *am* 8."
 
2013-06-27 05:29:41 AM  

Dr.Zom: GBmanNC:  Whats wrong is treating it as some sort of homogenous condition.

You're thinking of lactose intolerance.


i laughed waaaaay too hard at that
 
2013-06-27 08:41:03 AM  
Shocking!

Time for the unnecessarily medicated to get their panties in a bunch and deny with all their strength.
 
2013-06-27 09:44:38 AM  

Abuse Liability: Benevolent Misanthrope: Oh, look - it's this thread again.

If you or someone you know has a child that has been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), chances are the child is actually just fine. At least this is what the "father" of ADHD, Leon Eisenberg, would presumably say if he were still alive.

I'm fairly certain that if he were still alive, he'd still be saying what he said for all those years.  It was only when he thought he would die that he 'fessed up.

Allegedly.

I just think its hilarious that some guy tagged a bunch of symptoms and called it a disorder.  The symptoms exist and can be treated.  Years of scientific research have gone into looking at elevated dopamine levels and other cellular/hormonal changes that accompany these symptoms.  This guy just coined a cluster of symptoms and the media wants to pretend that because he made up a diagnosis the pathophysiology doesn't exist?

/snort


In Medicine, this is a tried and successful business plan.
 
2013-06-27 09:57:45 AM  

sugarhi: Then what are these boobs doing here on my chest?!!?!

o.O


THERE ARE NO WOMEN ON THE INTERNET!
 
2013-06-27 10:12:37 AM  
I have ADFBS (Attention Defict For Boring shiat).  I could totally use a prescription for adderall just to do my laundry, housework, and bills.
 
2013-06-27 10:51:22 AM  
Meh, repeat all that calming gibberish you learned to say about speed and ADHD, it makes the heart rate go up, the blood pressure go up and the mouth to dry.  It's speed, of course it makes you feel good.
 
2013-06-27 01:36:52 PM  

sugarhi: Try growing up with my sister and you'd change your mind in a heartbeat - she was diagnosed at age 3 and it was quite apparent she met criteria throughout her childhood and adolescence. My parents were great (well educated and authoritative) so I seriously doubt it was due to bad parenting - plus I was symptom free!

Having spent my entire childhood living with my sister and observing the difficulties she had in spite of seeing specialists and being prescribed medication, I find it hard to believe it doesn't exist. I agree it's overdosenosed and frequently misdiagnosed, but that doesn't negate it's existence.


This. My son was diagnosed at a very early age as well, and I was a skeptic at first too. He went to numerous appointments with a specialist each week over a few weeks and was formally diagnosed. Even his grandparents were skeptics at first, but over time they noticed his behaviour was.... different than a 'regular' boy. And his grandma raised 3 boys as a homemaker
I keep him on Vyvanse, which does work, but I wish it was cheaper. A single mom paying for $285 meds every 30 days? Fark.
 
2013-06-27 03:47:55 PM  

basemetal: Meh, repeat all that calming gibberish you learned to say about speed and ADHD, it makes the heart rate go up, the blood pressure go up and the mouth to dry.  It's speed, of course it makes you feel good.


Calm down and remember that the important thing here is for you feel superior to others on a message board.
 
2013-06-27 05:22:10 PM  

ytterbium: Professor Farksworth: FROM TFA:  which means that millions of young children today are being needlessly prescribed severe mind-altering drugs that will set them up for a life of drug addiction and failure.

And here is the point where I call bullshiat on the article. But not without reason.

As a now adult who was diagnosed with ADD (which I guess is now part of ADHD) when I was a child, I can tell you from my experience ADD is very real. And for some it is worse than others. In school I couldn't EVER concentrate unless I was on my medication. I mean I couldn't focus more than (what felt like) a few seconds at a time. I would not have made it out of school without the medication because even on it, focusing was a challenge. I started on it in the fourth grade and stopped taking it shortly before I graduated, believing I would have to learn to live without it at some point. I learned during the last semester of my Senior Year (all throwaway classes because I had all my credits) to live without the medicine. Knowing me now you'd have a slight inclination that I might have ADD, but wouldn't know for sure unless I told you about it. I know how to control my concentration and even though others don't have this ability without medication, I feel proud of myself for having gotten off it without downing those who haven't. Its like any other disease, some need medication others don't.

Although one benefit of having ADD is that I can multi-task very easily and actually challenge myself to see how many things I can focus on at one time. One drawback is my short term memory sucks, because my mind will switch subjects without storing information sometimes. Which another thing about people with ADD/ADHD, our minds move at 1,000 miles per hour and don't stop until we fall asleep.

The part about the short term memory is interesting to me. I have 10 year-old twin boys, one has no cognitive/behavioral/emotional issues but the other was different from the start.

He's seen several ...


I just love women like you! who always assume their children are just out to get them instead of maybe actually having a problem. you wait till a team of adults tells you he has short term memory before you realize it yourself.
 
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