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(BBC)   United Kingdom to Pamela Geller; "Go be racist somewhere else"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 122
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2013-06-26 04:13:21 PM  

Arkanaut: coeyagi: zenferret: What "race" is muslim, tardmitter?

The vast majority of Muslims are brown, including Arab, Persian or Indonesian, and of course, incarcerated-black-man-ian.  So, "Go be racist [about brown races] somewhere else" applies.

I suspect zenferret is trolling (or being pedantic) but there does need to be a better word for discriminating against someone's religion.  "Islamophobe" is a bit too long to be catchy.


As far as Pamela Gellar is concerned, "thundercoont" pretty much covers it.
 
2013-06-26 04:14:46 PM  

Wyalt Derp: The chick from Mork & Mindy? Shame.


I don't think so, it was the chick from  Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
 
2013-06-26 04:15:40 PM  

Arkanaut: I suspect zenferret is trolling (or being pedantic) but there does need to be a better word for discriminating against someone's religion. "Islamophobe" is a bit too long to be catchy.


There's no need.  These people ranting about Muslims will give you the same earful of derp about Mexicans, Chinese and "urban" youths.  Ask Pamela Geller how she feels about George Zimmerman, or voter ID, or bilingual classes, or affirmative action.  Racist is a perfectly good word for these people, although xenophobic might be a bit more accurate.
 
2013-06-26 04:15:45 PM  

LordJiro: "Smeggy Smurf: Off with their heads!  Oh wait, that's an islamic thing.

Yep. No other group in history has ever used decapitation as a show of power. Only Muslims."



Recently?
 
2013-06-26 04:17:41 PM  
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Not surprised to see her as a commentator on Fox.
 
2013-06-26 04:20:29 PM  

vernonFL: [external.ak.fbcdn.net image 640x480]

Not surprised to see her as a commentator on Fox.


I am pretty sure the only qualifications for that job are either having sent flowers to the funeral of Byron De la Beckwith or having taken and failed a University of Phoenix course on African-American studies.
 
2013-06-26 04:29:41 PM  
Somewhere, zombie Oswald Mosley has a raging boner.
 
2013-06-26 04:30:36 PM  

coeyagi: vernonFL: [external.ak.fbcdn.net image 640x480]

Not surprised to see her as a commentator on Fox.

I am pretty sure the only qualifications for that job are either having sent flowers to the funeral of Byron De la Beckwith or having taken and failed a University of Phoenix course on African-American studies.


♪ Welcome to the jungle my Favorites, we've got fun 'n' games! ♫
 
2013-06-26 04:41:01 PM  

spongeboob: What is going on this thread, half the respones seem to be directed to posts that aren't on this page?


Troll copy-pasted a huge wall (several seconds of scrolling worth) of crypto-racism. That shiat tends not to stick around.
 
2013-06-26 04:42:26 PM  

Diogenes: Marcus Aurelius: If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.

I like our ways better, frankly.  It's messier, but in the end I think is more honest.

That said:  Their country, their rules.


We deny people entry for being possible threats/likely to cause problems all the time.  There's a difference between the rights of citizens to say things (agitate) and the rights of non-citizens to visit and do the same.
 
2013-06-26 04:48:15 PM  

Emposter: Diogenes: Marcus Aurelius: If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.

I like our ways better, frankly.  It's messier, but in the end I think is more honest.

That said:  Their country, their rules.

We deny people entry for being possible threats/likely to cause problems all the time.  There's a difference between the rights of citizens to say things (agitate) and the rights of non-citizens to visit and do the same.


Unless their Mexican......*oh me*
 
2013-06-26 04:50:11 PM  

ohdoublereally: Wyalt Derp: The chick from Mork & Mindy? Shame.

I don't think so, it was the chick from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.


Are you sure it's not the chick from Baywatch?
 
2013-06-26 04:54:38 PM  
FTFA:  Ms Geller, of the Atlas Shrugs blog......

Aaaahahahahahaha! OK.
 
2013-06-26 04:54:44 PM  
HURR Americans have the RIGHT to be racist
DURRR
First Amendment DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
 
2013-06-26 04:57:40 PM  

vernonFL: [external.ak.fbcdn.net image 640x480]

Not surprised to see her as a commentator on Fox.


Frank Gaffney too
He's as bad as her.
 
2013-06-26 05:03:22 PM  

I Ate Shergar: Corvus: Corvus: "It's embarrassing for this so-called land of democracy and freedom of speech," he said.

You mean the Monarchy that has no codified protected rights?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom#Key_ st atutes_and_conventions
It's a long list, so here are a few choice entries:
English Bill of Rights, 1689
Scottish Claim of Right Act, 1689
Representation of the People Acts, 1918, 1928, 1982
Human Rights Act, 1998

And before people go on with the "It's not really a monarchy" stuff I deal with every thread. Yes it is a Monarchy that allows a democracy. Yes if the Monarchy one day said "Hey you guys can't do that anymore with your democracy", they might not get their way and their would be lots of going back and forth. But technically the Monarchy is still in charge.

Charles I tried to impose direct royal authority over Parliament. He had his head cut off. James II argued with them (over religion, but it brought the political issues back to the fore). He died in exile. Under the aforementioned Bill of Rights, Parliament has the right to depose the monarch if (s)he says anything along the lines of "you guys can't do that any more with your democracy". It's us that allows them to stay, not the other way round, and they're fully aware of that.


I am sorry I meant "Constitution"
 
2013-06-26 05:04:11 PM  
The world would be a better place if she packed up her tits and permanently moved to Israel.
 
2013-06-26 05:07:06 PM  

I Ate Shergar: Charles I tried to impose direct royal authority over Parliament. He had his head cut off. James II argued with them (over religion, but it brought the political issues back to the fore). He died in exile. Under the aforementioned Bill of Rights, Parliament has the right to depose the monarch if (s)he says anything along the lines of "you guys can't do that any more with your democracy". It's us that allows them to stay, not the other way round, and they're fully aware of that.


And the monarch can choose and get rid of the prime minister.

I am not saying "can do anything" by "in charge" I just meant the head of the political system and wields power more (technically) than people realize.
 
2013-06-26 05:16:59 PM  
Pamela Gellar? Chandler's wife on Friends?
 
2013-06-26 05:19:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: There are reasons I love that country (those countries?), and that is one of them.


Because suppression of speech that you don't like is a good thing.
 
2013-06-26 05:20:58 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Pamela Gellar? Chandler's wife on Friends?


Yeah, remember that one episode when Chandler broke up with her and he tried to move to Yemen?

That is what made her so anti- Muslim.
 
2013-06-26 05:26:36 PM  
is it bigoted to be against the teachings of a religion? i mean i think shes a shrieking lunatic moron, but isn't it a little easy to go throwing out the Racist label? I think her brand of nuts is more nuanced than that.
 
2013-06-26 05:28:05 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: cameroncrazy1984: There are reasons I love that country (those countries?), and that is one of them.

Because suppression of speech that you don't like is a good thing.


It wasn't just "speech." It was intent to act on utter pure bigotry. .

But glad to hear you support that.
 
2013-06-26 05:33:48 PM  
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What happened to you? Buffy, was such a good show.
 
2013-06-26 05:36:30 PM  

whidbey: It wasn't just "speech." It was intent to act on utter pure bigotry. .


TFA: Two prominent US bloggers have been banned from entering the UK, the Home Office has said.

They were due to speak at an English Defence League march in Woolwich


Yeah...gotta stop that hateful speech. Glad to hear you support that.
 
2013-06-26 05:39:20 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: whidbey: It wasn't just "speech." It was intent to act on utter pure bigotry. .

TFA: Two prominent US bloggers have been banned from entering the UK, the Home Office has said.

They were due to speak at an English Defence League march in Woolwich

Yeah...gotta stop that hateful speech. Glad to hear you support that.


Again , they're acting on it. They actively want their bigoted views to be accepted by others.

People like you, apparently. since I don't hear you condemning either of them.
 
2013-06-26 05:46:37 PM  

whidbey: They actively want their bigoted views to be accepted by others.


Gee no shiat? LOCK EM UP!

Farking fascist.
 
2013-06-26 05:50:52 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: whidbey: They actively want their bigoted views to be accepted by others.

Gee no shiat? LOCK EM UP!

Farking fascist.


LOL so telling bigots to get farked = "locking them up."

You huffing gasoline again?
 
2013-06-26 05:56:05 PM  
Actually the Magna Carta never covered Jews which were more the subject of the Edict of Expulsion in 1290.  But Ms Geller should have told us that.

Why she and a Christian Arab like "Spenser" (of the same boutique church as Darrell Issa) are associated with a morphed neo-Nazi group is a rather strange story.
But then, the US refused entry to the EDL's counterpart, so the US and UK are on the same page, even if we don't have "football hooligans" yet.
 
2013-06-26 05:57:04 PM  

whidbey: LOL so telling bigots to get farked = "locking them up."


So you just want to have them silenced. How do you propose to do that?
 
2013-06-26 06:11:48 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: whidbey: LOL so telling bigots to get farked = "locking them up."

So you just want to have them silenced. How do you propose to do that?


Like I have to do anything. But by all means, continue rooting for the wrong side of history.
 
2013-06-26 06:13:49 PM  
On one hand gellar is a crazy probably racist person. On the other hand I oppose all involvement of religion in government. So I'm torn. I'm opposed to the "islamization" of America for the same reasons I'm opposed to the "Christianing" or "hinduing" of America.

And before anyone speaks of the good of religion----the same goals and positives are not unique to religious positions... It's doing it "because" of religion I'm opposed to.
 
2013-06-26 06:20:09 PM  

djRykoSuave: I'm opposed to the "islamization" of America for the same reasons I'm opposed to the "Christianing" or "hinduing" of America.


OK I'll play a round:

How exactly is America in danger of becoming "Islamisized?"
 
2013-06-26 06:20:18 PM  

whidbey: Like I have to do anything. But by all means, continue rooting for the wrong side of history.


What side of history would that be? My side where I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it or your side  where individuals whose presence "is not conducive to the public good" are banished or otherwise silenced?

Farking fascist.
 
2013-06-26 06:25:54 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: whidbey: Like I have to do anything. But by all means, continue rooting for the wrong side of history.

What side of history would that be? My side where I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it or your side  where individuals whose presence "is not conducive to the public good" are banished or otherwise silenced?


It's the side of history where bigots defend other bigots and justify their bigotry by saying "oh it's 'free speech' you can't touch it. Best let it alone, no matter how many people's lives it affects or in this case, threatens to totally destroy."

Farking fascist.

Yeah because refusing to tolerate bigotry = fascism

Regular or premium?
 
2013-06-26 06:36:45 PM  

whidbey: How exactly is America in danger of becoming "Islamisized?"


0.tqn.com You can't explain that.
 
2013-06-26 06:41:50 PM  

whidbey: Yeah because refusing to tolerate bigotry = fascism

Regular or premium?


Premium. You are the kind of person whose lack of "tolerance" will come to no good end.

Take 20 and see what you advocate. Hopefully it will scare you out of you totalitarian ways.
 
2013-06-26 06:52:10 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: whidbey: Yeah because refusing to tolerate bigotry = fascism

Regular or premium?

Premium. You are the kind of person whose lack of "tolerance" will come to no good end.

Take 20 and see what you advocate. Hopefully it will scare you out of you totalitarian ways.


I love it when a right-winger trots out "tolerance". Say whatever you want, you big farking baby - nobody cares cares what you  say. Is it intolerance to call someone an asshole when they say stupid things?

Also, I noticed that you moved the goalposts from "locking people up", you silly bastard.

/Oh, I'm just asking questions, why are you trying to oppress me?
//you dumb ass
 
2013-06-26 06:53:41 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson:

You are the kind of person whose lack of "tolerance" will come to no good end.

I doubt it.

Hopefully it will scare you out of you totalitarian ways.

Hopefully you'll stop justifying bigotry under the guise of "free speech." I also doubt this.
 
2013-06-26 06:54:28 PM  

Craptastic: Oh, I'm just asking questions, why are you trying to oppress me?


HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED BY DIA'S TROLLING OOBLECK!

RELEASE THE BIDEN
 
2013-06-26 06:56:08 PM  

whidbey: Craptastic: Oh, I'm just asking questions, why are you trying to oppress me?

HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED BY DIA'S TROLLING OOBLECK!

RELEASE THE BIDEN


I didn't vote for you, whidbey.
 
2013-06-26 07:13:18 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Because suppression of speech that you don't like is a good thing.


What, you rape kittens? Why the fark would you DO that?

Oh, sorry, I thought we were just making things up about other people what with... you know... you just making things up about other people.
 
2013-06-26 07:39:39 PM  
A thread like this is great for differentiating between Liberals and Progressives. A true liberal type will uphold the rights of douchebags to speak their minds because they understand such tolerance is necessary to preserve their own free speech rights. Progressives don't give a fark, they just want the government to step on the neck of anyone that offends them, no matter the cost.
 
2013-06-26 07:49:36 PM  
What farkin' "RIGHTS" are all you bigot apologists talking about!?

She has the right to stay in the USA and say whatever the hell she wants.  There is no "right to travel into a foreign country" in anyone's legal or moral code anywhere.  The USA routinely keeps activists and malcontents and whackos out from both the left and right sides of the political spectrum because they CAN!  Show up at the border and tell them that you're there to "Occupy Wall Street" and there's a pretty good chance they might tell you to turn around and go home.  Other countries routinely do the same for travelers from the USA and from elsewhere.  Google "activist denied entry" and enter the name of pretty much any nation and you'll find Phelpses not welcome in Canada, UK peaceniks not welcome in the USA, radical Egyptian Muslim clerics not welcome in the UK and many many more such examples.

That some people in this thread need this spelled out makes me believe they are either morons or, more likely, that they are willing to seize on any rationale, no matter how flimsy, in order to make their case that bigots are granted the ability to spew hate in as many public forae as possible.
 
2013-06-26 08:30:51 PM  
I'm looking for hard headed woman.
 
2013-06-26 08:38:44 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: A thread like this is great for differentiating between Liberals and Progressives. A true liberal type will uphold the rights of douchebags to speak their minds because they understand such tolerance is necessary to preserve their own free speech rights. Progressives don't give a fark, they just want the government to step on the neck of anyone that offends them, no matter the cost.


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2013-06-26 09:01:21 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: A thread like this is great for differentiating between Liberals and Progressives. A true liberal type will uphold the rights of douchebags to speak their minds because they understand such tolerance is necessary to preserve their own free speech rights. Progressives don't give a fark, they just want the government to step on the neck of anyone that offends them, no matter the cost.


In general, I agree with this, but it's not clear that any country is under any obligation to let non-citizens in (except perhaps for refugees fleeing an immediate danger.)

It's also been noted that the UK's notion of freedom of speech is restricted in many ways.

That said, I can't imagine what these two could *say* that would cause their not being admitted to the UK.
 
2013-06-26 09:32:48 PM  
On both of their blogs the pair called their bans from entering the UK "a striking blow against freedom" and said the "the nation that gave the world the Magna Carta is dead".

It also gave us 1984 and the concept of Thought Crime. Looks like that part's in robust health.
 
2013-06-26 09:56:07 PM  

Craptastic: Say whatever you want, you big farking baby - nobody cares cares what you say


And yet you bother to answer. Ain't that a kick in the head?

whidbey: Hopefully you'll stop justifying bigotry under the guise of "free speech." I also doubt this.


I also justify your desire to oppress these people  in the same way.
 
2013-06-26 10:04:36 PM  

whidbey: djRykoSuave: I'm opposed to the "islamization" of America for the same reasons I'm opposed to the "Christianing" or "hinduing" of America.

OK I'll play a round:

How exactly is America in danger of becoming "Islamisized?"


I didn't say it was in danger of it, I said I was opposed.

I'm opposed to any religious interference in government.
 
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