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(BBC)   United Kingdom to Pamela Geller; "Go be racist somewhere else"   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 122
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2013-06-26 02:15:34 PM  
good for them. she is a truly vicious c*nt.
 
2013-06-26 02:22:16 PM  
I wish they would keep her. :(
 
2013-06-26 02:24:18 PM  
Why couldn't she get stuck in a Moscow airport without a passport?
 
2013-06-26 02:24:52 PM  
There are reasons I love that country (those countries?), and that is one of them.
 
2013-06-26 02:25:02 PM  
Wingnuts, the both of 'em.
 
2013-06-26 02:27:59 PM  
Let her get a soapbox in Hyde Park like the other nasty, crazy loons.
 
2013-06-26 02:29:15 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Why couldn't she get stuck in a Moscow Pakistani airport without a passport?

 
2013-06-26 02:29:17 PM  
If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.
 
2013-06-26 02:32:30 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.


I like our ways better, frankly.  It's messier, but in the end I think is more honest.

That said:  Their country, their rules.
 
2013-06-26 02:44:44 PM  
Do we have to let her back in?
 
2013-06-26 02:49:49 PM  
"These two are among some of the most extreme anti-Muslim activists in the world."

Brits country, their rules, but if they consider these two bloggers to be some of the most extreme anti-Muslim activists in the world, well, I'd say the Muslim's don't have much to worry about.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-26 02:49:55 PM  
We need to let the government decide who can say what here.  Then we could put her in one of those FEMA re-education camps or send her to a death panel.
 
2013-06-26 03:06:15 PM  

vpb: We need to let the government decide who can say what here.  Then we could put her in one of those FEMA re-education camps or send her to a death panel.


Or Detroit.
 
2013-06-26 03:11:53 PM  

Diogenes: Marcus Aurelius: If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.

I like our ways better, frankly.  It's messier, but in the end I think is more honest.

That said:  Their country, their rules.


And I'm pretty sure the US can deny an entry visa to pretty much any foreigner, for any reason. (Except Cubans because commies.)

// they could also say "because terrorism AND IT'S A SECRET", which shakes out to the same thing
 
2013-06-26 03:20:00 PM  
I bet she actually came when she found out. She'll be whining and fundraising about this for months.
 
2013-06-26 03:20:20 PM  
Duh.  Britain is THISCLOSE to being an Islamist theocracy, of course they'd shut out this Strong Conservative Woman.

/TIWCAB
 
2013-06-26 03:21:51 PM  

Diogenes: Marcus Aurelius: If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.

I like our ways better, frankly.  It's messier, but in the end I think is more honest.

That said:  Their country, their rules.


This and this.  I like our way better -- let her speak, and let the demonstrations outside be so raucous that they leave people thinking "is this really what I want to be a part of?"  Now she and the EDL get to claim they're being oppressed.
 
2013-06-26 03:22:38 PM  
Has she complained about the egregious trampling of her 1st Amendment rights yet?
 
2013-06-26 03:23:04 PM  
She was ideological kin with Breivik, he cited her as a huge inspiration. She actually defended him.
 
2013-06-26 03:23:15 PM  
oh man that's got to sting, hopefully enough to cause tears.

or at least a strongly worded tweet.

/good.
 
2013-06-26 03:23:26 PM  
The chick from Mork & Mindy? Shame.
 
2013-06-26 03:23:59 PM  
....we're all full up here."

Finished that for you subby!
 
2013-06-26 03:24:21 PM  
Banned from the Food Network also?
 
2013-06-26 03:27:34 PM  
"It's embarrassing for this so-called land of democracy and freedom of speech," he said.

You mean the Monarchy that has no codified protected rights?
 
2013-06-26 03:28:57 PM  

Super Chronic: Diogenes: Marcus Aurelius: If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.

I like our ways better, frankly.  It's messier, but in the end I think is more honest.

That said:  Their country, their rules.

This and this.  I like our way better -- let her speak, and let the demonstrations outside be so raucous that they leave people thinking "is this really what I want to be a part of?"  Now she and the EDL get to claim they're being oppressed.


I'm cool with that. As a Canadian, I know our free speech laws also prohibit certain kinds of speech, so I'm more okay with it than Americans might be. I do understand the argument though.
 
2013-06-26 03:29:14 PM  

Isitoveryet: oh man that's got to sting, hopefully enough to cause tears.

or at least a strongly worded tweet.

/good.


Considering that her only "job" seems to be staying perpetually outraged on the internet I don't see why she'd cry. Hell, the UK basically just wrote the next two weeks of her blog for her. Since they did all the work, she can simultaneously pin herself back up on her cross and go on vacation.

/ I'm aware of the irony of the metaphor
 
2013-06-26 03:30:07 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Why couldn't she get stuck in a Moscow Tehran airport without a passport?


Even better.
 
2013-06-26 03:31:11 PM  

Corvus: "It's embarrassing for this so-called land of democracy and freedom of speech," he said.

You mean the Monarchy that has no codified protected rights?


And before people go on with the "It's not really a monarchy" stuff I deal with every thread. Yes it is a Monarchy that allows a democracy. Yes if the Monarchy one day said "Hey you guys can't do that anymore with your democracy", they might not get their way and their would be lots of going back and forth. But technically the Monarchy is still in charge.
 
2013-06-26 03:31:30 PM  
What "race" is muslim, tardmitter?
 
2013-06-26 03:33:24 PM  

monoski: Banned from the Food Network also?


Alas, we'll never find out what her secret falafel recipe is.
 
2013-06-26 03:34:29 PM  
Stop Islamization of America is better known as Start Making-Up-Words in America.
 
2013-06-26 03:36:20 PM  
Off with their heads!  Oh wait, that's an islamic thing.
 
2013-06-26 03:37:25 PM  
I wish we could dump all the EDL retards in a thunderdome with all the crazy jihadists and let 'em kill each other. The world would be such a better place.
 
2013-06-26 03:50:33 PM  
"Maybe we should shoot her."

i500.listal.com
 
2013-06-26 03:52:42 PM  

Super Chronic: Diogenes: Marcus Aurelius: If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.

I like our ways better, frankly.  It's messier, but in the end I think is more honest.

That said:  Their country, their rules.

This and this.  I like our way better -- let her speak, and let the demonstrations outside be so raucous that they leave people thinking "is this really what I want to be a part of?"  Now she and the EDL get to claim they're being oppressed.


That's a good theory. More likely it will be a like Tea Party rally, where anyone who comes to counter-demonstrate gets libel from Fox News coverage and probably a kick to the stomach from a cop too (Im from Chicago, so I only know how Chicago cops treat non-right wing extremist protesters)
 
2013-06-26 03:52:56 PM  

zenferret: What "race" is muslim, tardmitter?


The vast majority of Muslims are brown, including Arab, Persian or Indonesian, and of course, incarcerated-black-man-ian.  So, "Go be racist [about brown races] somewhere else" applies.
 
2013-06-26 03:54:57 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Wingnuts, the both of 'em.


She seems to be pretty beyond wingnut at this point.
 
2013-06-26 03:58:43 PM  

zenferret: What "race" is muslim, tardmitter?


Everyone knows muslims are Arabs.
 
2013-06-26 03:59:44 PM  

Xcott: armoredbulldozer: If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.

That's like saying, "if we don't get rid of computers, they'll destroy the Internet and the information age."

Immigration is act 1 of almost every American Dream in the country.  That's why all of our major languages are imported from foreign countries like England and Spain.


Hating immigrants is a time-honored tradition in this country. People get here, settle in, and then start hating on anyone else who comes here.
 
2013-06-26 04:02:38 PM  
"Muslim" is not a race.
 
2013-06-26 04:03:54 PM  

Arkanaut: monoski: Banned from the Food Network also?

Alas, we'll never find out what her secret falafel recipe is.


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2013-06-26 04:04:03 PM  

partisan222: also, a few multicultural nations that seem to have had their stuff together for hundreds of years: Belgium, France, the United Kingdom, India, China, Peru, Brazil, Ecuador, Mexico.


Also, the United States.  Virtually everyone here is from somewhere else, and most of us speak imported languages.  A third of the country has Spanish names (like COLORADO,) a big swath in the middle has french names like Des Moines, and the rest is a jumble of German and Dutch and English.  We've been multilingual and multicultural since day 1---despite the rantings of the tard squad and their weird belief that white people just popped out of holes in the ground and the USA was Mayberry until brown people arrived in the 1970s.
 
2013-06-26 04:04:31 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Off with their heads!  Oh wait, that's an islamic thing.


Yep. No other group in history has ever used decapitation as a show of power. Only Muslims.
 
2013-06-26 04:05:06 PM  

comslave: "Muslim" is not a race.


Bigot, racist, look, we're splitting hairs here.  Yes, it's not a race.  But as I said earlier, Islam is predominantly practiced by brown people (Arabs, Persians, Indonesians, incarcerated African Americans, etc), so one could say that they meant "Go be racist [towards brown races] somewhere else".
 
2013-06-26 04:06:59 PM  
So many questions...

Is she related to Uri Gellar?

If so, does she flip over prayer rugs three times a day using ESP?
 
2013-06-26 04:07:23 PM  

coeyagi: zenferret: What "race" is muslim, tardmitter?

The vast majority of Muslims are brown, including Arab, Persian or Indonesian, and of course, incarcerated-black-man-ian.  So, "Go be racist [about brown races] somewhere else" applies.


I suspect zenferret is trolling (or being pedantic) but there does need to be a better word for discriminating against someone's religion.  "Islamophobe" is a bit too long to be catchy.
 
2013-06-26 04:10:51 PM  

Arkanaut: coeyagi: zenferret: What "race" is muslim, tardmitter?

The vast majority of Muslims are brown, including Arab, Persian or Indonesian, and of course, incarcerated-black-man-ian.  So, "Go be racist [about brown races] somewhere else" applies.

I suspect zenferret is trolling (or being pedantic) but there does need to be a better word for discriminating against someone's religion.  "Islamophobe" is a bit too long to be catchy.


"Bigot" covers all the bases pretty well.
 
2013-06-26 04:11:05 PM  

Corvus: Corvus: "It's embarrassing for this so-called land of democracy and freedom of speech," he said.

You mean the Monarchy that has no codified protected rights?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom#Key_ st atutes_and_conventions
It's a long list, so here are a few choice entries:
English Bill of Rights, 1689
Scottish Claim of Right Act, 1689
Representation of the People Acts, 1918, 1928, 1982
Human Rights Act, 1998

And before people go on with the "It's not really a monarchy" stuff I deal with every thread. Yes it is a Monarchy that allows a democracy. Yes if the Monarchy one day said "Hey you guys can't do that anymore with your democracy", they might not get their way and their would be lots of going back and forth. But technically the Monarchy is still in charge.

Charles I tried to impose direct royal authority over Parliament. He had his head cut off. James II argued with them (over religion, but it brought the political issues back to the fore). He died in exile. Under the aforementioned Bill of Rights, Parliament has the right to depose the monarch if (s)he says anything along the lines of "you guys can't do that any more with your democracy". It's us that allows them to stay, not the other way round, and they're fully aware of that.
 
2013-06-26 04:11:19 PM  
What is going on this thread, half the respones seem to be directed to posts that aren't on this page?
 
2013-06-26 04:13:17 PM  
Oh shnap. I guess racist drek really does get wiped!
 
2013-06-26 04:13:21 PM  

Arkanaut: coeyagi: zenferret: What "race" is muslim, tardmitter?

The vast majority of Muslims are brown, including Arab, Persian or Indonesian, and of course, incarcerated-black-man-ian.  So, "Go be racist [about brown races] somewhere else" applies.

I suspect zenferret is trolling (or being pedantic) but there does need to be a better word for discriminating against someone's religion.  "Islamophobe" is a bit too long to be catchy.


As far as Pamela Gellar is concerned, "thundercoont" pretty much covers it.
 
2013-06-26 04:14:46 PM  

Wyalt Derp: The chick from Mork & Mindy? Shame.


I don't think so, it was the chick from  Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
 
2013-06-26 04:15:40 PM  

Arkanaut: I suspect zenferret is trolling (or being pedantic) but there does need to be a better word for discriminating against someone's religion. "Islamophobe" is a bit too long to be catchy.


There's no need.  These people ranting about Muslims will give you the same earful of derp about Mexicans, Chinese and "urban" youths.  Ask Pamela Geller how she feels about George Zimmerman, or voter ID, or bilingual classes, or affirmative action.  Racist is a perfectly good word for these people, although xenophobic might be a bit more accurate.
 
2013-06-26 04:15:45 PM  

LordJiro: "Smeggy Smurf: Off with their heads!  Oh wait, that's an islamic thing.

Yep. No other group in history has ever used decapitation as a show of power. Only Muslims."



Recently?
 
2013-06-26 04:17:41 PM  
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Not surprised to see her as a commentator on Fox.
 
2013-06-26 04:20:29 PM  

vernonFL: [external.ak.fbcdn.net image 640x480]

Not surprised to see her as a commentator on Fox.


I am pretty sure the only qualifications for that job are either having sent flowers to the funeral of Byron De la Beckwith or having taken and failed a University of Phoenix course on African-American studies.
 
2013-06-26 04:29:41 PM  
Somewhere, zombie Oswald Mosley has a raging boner.
 
2013-06-26 04:30:36 PM  

coeyagi: vernonFL: [external.ak.fbcdn.net image 640x480]

Not surprised to see her as a commentator on Fox.

I am pretty sure the only qualifications for that job are either having sent flowers to the funeral of Byron De la Beckwith or having taken and failed a University of Phoenix course on African-American studies.


♪ Welcome to the jungle my Favorites, we've got fun 'n' games! ♫
 
2013-06-26 04:41:01 PM  

spongeboob: What is going on this thread, half the respones seem to be directed to posts that aren't on this page?


Troll copy-pasted a huge wall (several seconds of scrolling worth) of crypto-racism. That shiat tends not to stick around.
 
2013-06-26 04:42:26 PM  

Diogenes: Marcus Aurelius: If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.

I like our ways better, frankly.  It's messier, but in the end I think is more honest.

That said:  Their country, their rules.


We deny people entry for being possible threats/likely to cause problems all the time.  There's a difference between the rights of citizens to say things (agitate) and the rights of non-citizens to visit and do the same.
 
2013-06-26 04:48:15 PM  

Emposter: Diogenes: Marcus Aurelius: If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.

I like our ways better, frankly.  It's messier, but in the end I think is more honest.

That said:  Their country, their rules.

We deny people entry for being possible threats/likely to cause problems all the time.  There's a difference between the rights of citizens to say things (agitate) and the rights of non-citizens to visit and do the same.


Unless their Mexican......*oh me*
 
2013-06-26 04:50:11 PM  

ohdoublereally: Wyalt Derp: The chick from Mork & Mindy? Shame.

I don't think so, it was the chick from Buffy the Vampire Slayer.


Are you sure it's not the chick from Baywatch?
 
2013-06-26 04:54:38 PM  
FTFA:  Ms Geller, of the Atlas Shrugs blog......

Aaaahahahahahaha! OK.
 
2013-06-26 04:54:44 PM  
HURR Americans have the RIGHT to be racist
DURRR
First Amendment DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
 
2013-06-26 04:57:40 PM  

vernonFL: [external.ak.fbcdn.net image 640x480]

Not surprised to see her as a commentator on Fox.


Frank Gaffney too
He's as bad as her.
 
2013-06-26 05:03:22 PM  

I Ate Shergar: Corvus: Corvus: "It's embarrassing for this so-called land of democracy and freedom of speech," he said.

You mean the Monarchy that has no codified protected rights?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom#Key_ st atutes_and_conventions
It's a long list, so here are a few choice entries:
English Bill of Rights, 1689
Scottish Claim of Right Act, 1689
Representation of the People Acts, 1918, 1928, 1982
Human Rights Act, 1998

And before people go on with the "It's not really a monarchy" stuff I deal with every thread. Yes it is a Monarchy that allows a democracy. Yes if the Monarchy one day said "Hey you guys can't do that anymore with your democracy", they might not get their way and their would be lots of going back and forth. But technically the Monarchy is still in charge.

Charles I tried to impose direct royal authority over Parliament. He had his head cut off. James II argued with them (over religion, but it brought the political issues back to the fore). He died in exile. Under the aforementioned Bill of Rights, Parliament has the right to depose the monarch if (s)he says anything along the lines of "you guys can't do that any more with your democracy". It's us that allows them to stay, not the other way round, and they're fully aware of that.


I am sorry I meant "Constitution"
 
2013-06-26 05:04:11 PM  
The world would be a better place if she packed up her tits and permanently moved to Israel.
 
2013-06-26 05:07:06 PM  

I Ate Shergar: Charles I tried to impose direct royal authority over Parliament. He had his head cut off. James II argued with them (over religion, but it brought the political issues back to the fore). He died in exile. Under the aforementioned Bill of Rights, Parliament has the right to depose the monarch if (s)he says anything along the lines of "you guys can't do that any more with your democracy". It's us that allows them to stay, not the other way round, and they're fully aware of that.


And the monarch can choose and get rid of the prime minister.

I am not saying "can do anything" by "in charge" I just meant the head of the political system and wields power more (technically) than people realize.
 
2013-06-26 05:16:59 PM  
Pamela Gellar? Chandler's wife on Friends?
 
2013-06-26 05:19:06 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: There are reasons I love that country (those countries?), and that is one of them.


Because suppression of speech that you don't like is a good thing.
 
2013-06-26 05:20:58 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: Pamela Gellar? Chandler's wife on Friends?


Yeah, remember that one episode when Chandler broke up with her and he tried to move to Yemen?

That is what made her so anti- Muslim.
 
2013-06-26 05:26:36 PM  
is it bigoted to be against the teachings of a religion? i mean i think shes a shrieking lunatic moron, but isn't it a little easy to go throwing out the Racist label? I think her brand of nuts is more nuanced than that.
 
2013-06-26 05:28:05 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: cameroncrazy1984: There are reasons I love that country (those countries?), and that is one of them.

Because suppression of speech that you don't like is a good thing.


It wasn't just "speech." It was intent to act on utter pure bigotry. .

But glad to hear you support that.
 
2013-06-26 05:33:48 PM  
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What happened to you? Buffy, was such a good show.
 
2013-06-26 05:36:30 PM  

whidbey: It wasn't just "speech." It was intent to act on utter pure bigotry. .


TFA: Two prominent US bloggers have been banned from entering the UK, the Home Office has said.

They were due to speak at an English Defence League march in Woolwich


Yeah...gotta stop that hateful speech. Glad to hear you support that.
 
2013-06-26 05:39:20 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: whidbey: It wasn't just "speech." It was intent to act on utter pure bigotry. .

TFA: Two prominent US bloggers have been banned from entering the UK, the Home Office has said.

They were due to speak at an English Defence League march in Woolwich

Yeah...gotta stop that hateful speech. Glad to hear you support that.


Again , they're acting on it. They actively want their bigoted views to be accepted by others.

People like you, apparently. since I don't hear you condemning either of them.
 
2013-06-26 05:46:37 PM  

whidbey: They actively want their bigoted views to be accepted by others.


Gee no shiat? LOCK EM UP!

Farking fascist.
 
2013-06-26 05:50:52 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: whidbey: They actively want their bigoted views to be accepted by others.

Gee no shiat? LOCK EM UP!

Farking fascist.


LOL so telling bigots to get farked = "locking them up."

You huffing gasoline again?
 
2013-06-26 05:56:05 PM  
Actually the Magna Carta never covered Jews which were more the subject of the Edict of Expulsion in 1290.  But Ms Geller should have told us that.

Why she and a Christian Arab like "Spenser" (of the same boutique church as Darrell Issa) are associated with a morphed neo-Nazi group is a rather strange story.
But then, the US refused entry to the EDL's counterpart, so the US and UK are on the same page, even if we don't have "football hooligans" yet.
 
2013-06-26 05:57:04 PM  

whidbey: LOL so telling bigots to get farked = "locking them up."


So you just want to have them silenced. How do you propose to do that?
 
2013-06-26 06:11:48 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: whidbey: LOL so telling bigots to get farked = "locking them up."

So you just want to have them silenced. How do you propose to do that?


Like I have to do anything. But by all means, continue rooting for the wrong side of history.
 
2013-06-26 06:13:49 PM  
On one hand gellar is a crazy probably racist person. On the other hand I oppose all involvement of religion in government. So I'm torn. I'm opposed to the "islamization" of America for the same reasons I'm opposed to the "Christianing" or "hinduing" of America.

And before anyone speaks of the good of religion----the same goals and positives are not unique to religious positions... It's doing it "because" of religion I'm opposed to.
 
2013-06-26 06:20:09 PM  

djRykoSuave: I'm opposed to the "islamization" of America for the same reasons I'm opposed to the "Christianing" or "hinduing" of America.


OK I'll play a round:

How exactly is America in danger of becoming "Islamisized?"
 
2013-06-26 06:20:18 PM  

whidbey: Like I have to do anything. But by all means, continue rooting for the wrong side of history.


What side of history would that be? My side where I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it or your side  where individuals whose presence "is not conducive to the public good" are banished or otherwise silenced?

Farking fascist.
 
2013-06-26 06:25:54 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: whidbey: Like I have to do anything. But by all means, continue rooting for the wrong side of history.

What side of history would that be? My side where I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it or your side  where individuals whose presence "is not conducive to the public good" are banished or otherwise silenced?


It's the side of history where bigots defend other bigots and justify their bigotry by saying "oh it's 'free speech' you can't touch it. Best let it alone, no matter how many people's lives it affects or in this case, threatens to totally destroy."

Farking fascist.

Yeah because refusing to tolerate bigotry = fascism

Regular or premium?
 
2013-06-26 06:36:45 PM  

whidbey: How exactly is America in danger of becoming "Islamisized?"


0.tqn.com You can't explain that.
 
2013-06-26 06:41:50 PM  

whidbey: Yeah because refusing to tolerate bigotry = fascism

Regular or premium?


Premium. You are the kind of person whose lack of "tolerance" will come to no good end.

Take 20 and see what you advocate. Hopefully it will scare you out of you totalitarian ways.
 
2013-06-26 06:52:10 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: whidbey: Yeah because refusing to tolerate bigotry = fascism

Regular or premium?

Premium. You are the kind of person whose lack of "tolerance" will come to no good end.

Take 20 and see what you advocate. Hopefully it will scare you out of you totalitarian ways.


I love it when a right-winger trots out "tolerance". Say whatever you want, you big farking baby - nobody cares cares what you  say. Is it intolerance to call someone an asshole when they say stupid things?

Also, I noticed that you moved the goalposts from "locking people up", you silly bastard.

/Oh, I'm just asking questions, why are you trying to oppress me?
//you dumb ass
 
2013-06-26 06:53:41 PM  
Dancin_In_Anson:

You are the kind of person whose lack of "tolerance" will come to no good end.

I doubt it.

Hopefully it will scare you out of you totalitarian ways.

Hopefully you'll stop justifying bigotry under the guise of "free speech." I also doubt this.
 
2013-06-26 06:54:28 PM  

Craptastic: Oh, I'm just asking questions, why are you trying to oppress me?


HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED BY DIA'S TROLLING OOBLECK!

RELEASE THE BIDEN
 
2013-06-26 06:56:08 PM  

whidbey: Craptastic: Oh, I'm just asking questions, why are you trying to oppress me?

HELP HELP I'M BEING REPRESSED BY DIA'S TROLLING OOBLECK!

RELEASE THE BIDEN


I didn't vote for you, whidbey.
 
2013-06-26 07:13:18 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Because suppression of speech that you don't like is a good thing.


What, you rape kittens? Why the fark would you DO that?

Oh, sorry, I thought we were just making things up about other people what with... you know... you just making things up about other people.
 
2013-06-26 07:39:39 PM  
A thread like this is great for differentiating between Liberals and Progressives. A true liberal type will uphold the rights of douchebags to speak their minds because they understand such tolerance is necessary to preserve their own free speech rights. Progressives don't give a fark, they just want the government to step on the neck of anyone that offends them, no matter the cost.
 
2013-06-26 07:49:36 PM  
What farkin' "RIGHTS" are all you bigot apologists talking about!?

She has the right to stay in the USA and say whatever the hell she wants.  There is no "right to travel into a foreign country" in anyone's legal or moral code anywhere.  The USA routinely keeps activists and malcontents and whackos out from both the left and right sides of the political spectrum because they CAN!  Show up at the border and tell them that you're there to "Occupy Wall Street" and there's a pretty good chance they might tell you to turn around and go home.  Other countries routinely do the same for travelers from the USA and from elsewhere.  Google "activist denied entry" and enter the name of pretty much any nation and you'll find Phelpses not welcome in Canada, UK peaceniks not welcome in the USA, radical Egyptian Muslim clerics not welcome in the UK and many many more such examples.

That some people in this thread need this spelled out makes me believe they are either morons or, more likely, that they are willing to seize on any rationale, no matter how flimsy, in order to make their case that bigots are granted the ability to spew hate in as many public forae as possible.
 
2013-06-26 08:30:51 PM  
I'm looking for hard headed woman.
 
2013-06-26 08:38:44 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: A thread like this is great for differentiating between Liberals and Progressives. A true liberal type will uphold the rights of douchebags to speak their minds because they understand such tolerance is necessary to preserve their own free speech rights. Progressives don't give a fark, they just want the government to step on the neck of anyone that offends them, no matter the cost.


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2013-06-26 09:01:21 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: A thread like this is great for differentiating between Liberals and Progressives. A true liberal type will uphold the rights of douchebags to speak their minds because they understand such tolerance is necessary to preserve their own free speech rights. Progressives don't give a fark, they just want the government to step on the neck of anyone that offends them, no matter the cost.


In general, I agree with this, but it's not clear that any country is under any obligation to let non-citizens in (except perhaps for refugees fleeing an immediate danger.)

It's also been noted that the UK's notion of freedom of speech is restricted in many ways.

That said, I can't imagine what these two could *say* that would cause their not being admitted to the UK.
 
2013-06-26 09:32:48 PM  
On both of their blogs the pair called their bans from entering the UK "a striking blow against freedom" and said the "the nation that gave the world the Magna Carta is dead".

It also gave us 1984 and the concept of Thought Crime. Looks like that part's in robust health.
 
2013-06-26 09:56:07 PM  

Craptastic: Say whatever you want, you big farking baby - nobody cares cares what you say


And yet you bother to answer. Ain't that a kick in the head?

whidbey: Hopefully you'll stop justifying bigotry under the guise of "free speech." I also doubt this.


I also justify your desire to oppress these people  in the same way.
 
2013-06-26 10:04:36 PM  

whidbey: djRykoSuave: I'm opposed to the "islamization" of America for the same reasons I'm opposed to the "Christianing" or "hinduing" of America.

OK I'll play a round:

How exactly is America in danger of becoming "Islamisized?"


I didn't say it was in danger of it, I said I was opposed.

I'm opposed to any religious interference in government.
 
2013-06-26 10:24:50 PM  

Diogenes: Marcus Aurelius: If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.

I like our ways better, frankly.  It's messier, but in the end I think is more honest.

That said:  Their country, their rules.


I don't knowe about that. It is as if Americans are allowed to be critical thinkers, but critical thinking can't have any power. So white supremacy can maintain all the power it wants to, especially in government and media, and being passed from generation to generation, but critical thinking has no leverage at all to be passed along, and critical thinkers look weak because they have nothing to back themselves up with. Racism is a big pile of ad hominems and red herrings, but nobody can stand up to it. All Americans can do is talk, talk talk, while racists talk, pass it on, ingrain it in legislation, occupy sidewalks, scream at funerals, tie up courts, and always always always control the conversation - any conversation. Meanwhile, critical thinkers who want a rational, important and serious conversation on any topic, can't create that space when racists feel like talking OR, if somehow they do, they can't maintain it if a racist wants to happen upon the scene.

At least that is what it looks like most of the time.
 
2013-06-27 05:52:24 AM  

Diogenes: Marcus Aurelius: If only we had a law in the US covering hateful bigotry.

I like our ways better, frankly.  It's messier, but in the end I think is more honest.


Tariq Ramadan facepalms.
 
2013-06-27 06:00:12 AM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: A thread like this is great for differentiating between Liberals and Progressives. A true liberal type will uphold the rights of douchebags to speak their minds because they understand such tolerance is necessary to preserve their own free speech rights. Progressives don't give a fark, they just want the government to step on the neck of anyone that offends them, no matter the cost.


Nobody in this story is prevented from speaking their minds, and entering a foreign country is not a right.
 
2013-06-27 06:42:19 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: I also justify your desire to oppress these people in the same way.


Not getting to enter a foreign country is an oppression?

jjorsett: On both of their blogs the pair called their bans from entering the UK "a striking blow against freedom" and said the "the nation that gave the world the Magna Carta is dead".

It also gave us 1984 and the concept of Thought Crime. Looks like that part's in robust health.


Because they didn't let in a couple of bigots for a white power rally?
 
2013-06-27 07:58:06 AM  
104 posts in and no "Who?!?" comment? You're slipping, Fark.

Oh, and Who?!?
 
2013-06-27 08:05:35 AM  

Halli: Not getting to enter a foreign country is an oppression?


Absolutely.

Halli: Because they didn't let in a couple of bigots for a white power rally?


You need to click my take 20 link above as well.
 
2013-06-27 08:20:36 AM  

Halli: Dancin_In_Anson: I also justify your desire to oppress these people in the same way.

Not getting to enter a foreign country is an oppression?

jjorsett: On both of their blogs the pair called their bans from entering the UK "a striking blow against freedom" and said the "the nation that gave the world the Magna Carta is dead".

It also gave us 1984 and the concept of Thought Crime. Looks like that part's in robust health.

Because they didn't let in a couple of bigots for a white power rally?


Exactly. When your opinions get you targeted by government, you've entered the realm of 1984. Long live Big Brother!
 
2013-06-27 08:40:46 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Absolutely.


Haha no.

Dancin_In_Anson: You need to click my take 20 link above as well.


UK is under no obligation to let people enter freely. Free speech is good but letting foreign nationals in to speak at a white power rally is something a country should have some control over. The whole UK racism criminal offense thing is pretty bad though.

jjorsett: Exactly. When your opinions get you targeted by government, you've entered the realm of 1984. Long live Big Brother!


1984 ooga booga.
 
2013-06-27 08:41:14 AM  

jjorsett: Halli: Dancin_In_Anson: I also justify your desire to oppress these people in the same way.

Not getting to enter a foreign country is an oppression?

jjorsett: On both of their blogs the pair called their bans from entering the UK "a striking blow against freedom" and said the "the nation that gave the world the Magna Carta is dead".

It also gave us 1984 and the concept of Thought Crime. Looks like that part's in robust health.

Because they didn't let in a couple of bigots for a white power rally?

Exactly. When your opinions get you targeted by government, you've entered the realm of 1984. Long live Big Brother!


So you are against any government action against people who believe and expressed that america is the great satan and the biggest evil in the world and God is against everything America stands for....let's let those guys in, jjorsett is all for it!
 
2013-06-27 09:40:50 AM  

Halli: Haha no.


Haha yes. When authority refuses to allow the dissemination of ideas because those ideas are officially deemed "not conducive to the public good", they are oppressing not just the ideas but those who hold them.

Halli: Free speech is good


You don't believe that for one second you farking fascist.
 
2013-06-27 10:16:08 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Haha yes. When authority refuses to allow the dissemination of ideas because those ideas are officially deemed "not conducive to the public good", they are oppressing not just the ideas but those who hold them.


They aren't banning the EDL white power conference. They just aren't letting two foreign nationals in to speak there. Why exactly can't a sovereign nation control their borders like how they choose?

Dancin_In_Anson: You don't believe that for one second you farking fascist.


Well I believe people can have childish tantrum on the internet. So go right ahead.
 
2013-06-27 10:31:12 AM  

Halli: They aren't banning the EDL white power conference. They just aren't letting two foreign nationals in to speak there. Why exactly can't a sovereign nation control their borders like how they choose?


They are more than welcome to close their borders...read the article again:

"We condemn all those whose behaviours and views run counter to our shared values and will not stand for extremism in any form."

"...The UK should never become a stage for inflammatory speakers who promote hate."


Oppression of ideas. What a smashing idea.
 
2013-06-27 10:33:25 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Haha yes. When authority refuses to allow the dissemination of ideas because those ideas are officially deemed "not conducive to the public good", they are oppressing not just the ideas but those who hold them.


So, for example, it's oppression to disallow false advertising, or bogus nutritional labels?
 
2013-06-27 10:35:41 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Halli: They aren't banning the EDL white power conference. They just aren't letting two foreign nationals in to speak there. Why exactly can't a sovereign nation control their borders like how they choose?

They are more than welcome to close their borders...read the article again:

"We condemn all those whose behaviours and views run counter to our shared values and will not stand for extremism in any form."

"...The UK should never become a stage for inflammatory speakers who promote hate."

Oppression of ideas. What a smashing idea.


Again this is about foreign nationals coming in. Have they banned the whole EDL thing?
 
2013-06-27 11:08:09 AM  

jjorsett: Exactly. When your opinions get you targeted by government, you've entered the realm of 1984. Long live Big Brother!


"When you buy a canary, you've entered the realm of Jurassic Park."

"When you check into a hotel, you've entered the realm of The Shining."

Seriously, are we talking about 1984 the actual novel, or just the vague dippy impression of 1984 that everyone has from hearing other people say vague dippy things about 1984?  They won't print my letter to the editor?!  How Orwellian!  That's just like 1984, where everyone is continually monitored by cameras in their homes and the hero is arrested by secret police and has his face strapped to a rat cage before they electrocute him.

Pretty much every country has laws against selected modes of speech, like disinformation, incitement, or libel.   None of this is like 1984, because 1984 is not some dippy little novel about a government censoring disinformation, incitement, or libel.  This is like 1984 in the trivial sense that they both involve a government.

Nine times out of ten, invoking 1984 is an instant losing argument.  It just makes people think that you haven't actually read the book, and that you have a huge persecution complex.
 
2013-06-27 11:25:47 AM  
I  haven't read the thread yet - but I'm pretty sure someone will complain here about her first amendment rights being trampled...

/don't disappoint me
//it's always good for a laugh
 
2013-06-27 12:01:14 PM  
It's only words! Words don't hurt nobody!

/The words the UK are using are "stay," "the," "fark," and "away."
 
2013-06-27 02:50:08 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Halli: Not getting to enter a foreign country is an oppression?

Absolutely.


It's worth pointing out that according the UN declaration of human rights, everyone has (or should have) the right to travel within a country (13-1) and to leave a country (13-2).  There is no recognized human right to enter a country, because countries obviously have the power to restrict entry.

So no, I'd have to say that restricting entry to foreigners is not by itself oppression, although there are circumstances where it can be pretty oppressive, for example blocking entry to someone with a career/residence/family within the country.  That's obviously not the case here, however.
 
2013-06-27 02:57:22 PM  

Halli: Again this is about foreign nationals coming in.


Read it again:

"...The UK should never become a stage for inflammatory speakers who promote hate."

What do you suppose the end game is for this MP? Probably the same as yours.
 
2013-06-27 04:57:45 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Halli: Again this is about foreign nationals coming in.

Read it again:

"...The UK should never become a stage for inflammatory speakers who promote hate."

What do you suppose the end game is for this MP? Probably the same as yours.


Oh do tell now.
 
2013-06-27 05:11:10 PM  

Halli: Oh do tell now.


Oh you would do anything possible to keep these people from "spreading their hate" and you goddamn well know it.
 
2013-06-27 05:22:28 PM  

Dancin_In_Anson: Halli: Oh do tell now.

Oh you would do anything possible to keep these people from "spreading their hate" and you goddamn well know it.


I would? I learn something new about myself on the internet every day. How far would I be willing to go?
 
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