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2013-06-26 04:42:20 PM

Thunderpipes: TheBigJerk: Marcus Aurelius: This of course would apply only to Tea Party groups.  All others can go scratch.

Nah, just anyone who is or can afford an accountant to fill out the complicated and only-available-to-rich-people paperwork.

You realize the IRS has cost many of those groups and individuals tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs?


They already had tax-exempt status. They were filing for "and we don't want to have to divulge who gave us this money" status.
 
2013-06-26 04:43:11 PM

Thunderpipes: TheBigJerk: Marcus Aurelius: This of course would apply only to Tea Party groups.  All others can go scratch.

Nah, just anyone who is or can afford an accountant to fill out the complicated and only-available-to-rich-people paperwork.

You realize the IRS has cost many of those groups and individuals tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs?


I'm sorry, libbo, but Criminal-Coddlers like you can just suck it.  If these people can't stop breaking the law then they don't deserve any mercy from justice!
 
2013-06-26 04:44:42 PM

dwrash: As the IRS takes his assets which prevents him from hiring an attorney to fight the company that farked him...


Look, if someone successfully frames you for murder, you run from the police instead of getting arrested, and now they're chasing you while you try to find the real killer; are the cops evil?  Or the guy who framed you?
 
2013-06-26 04:46:19 PM

Kirzania: Slaves2Darkness: How does Mitt Romney get a 14% income tax rate? You don't call that abuse?

THIS.


It's very possible that Mitt gives more in taxes (14% in his bracket is quite a bit) than he takes. Ultimately, if you want to balance out budgets, you give every American a balance sheet. It'd be a fun experiment, if only for a year.
 
2013-06-26 04:47:51 PM
Maybe if the Pentagon finds it's missing 2+ trillion dollars we can all get a $10k apology payment.

Stimulate that.
 
2013-06-26 04:51:08 PM

Thunderpipes: You realize the IRS has cost many of those groups and individuals tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs?


I don't believe the Yazoo County Tea Party Patriots hired $700 per hour accountants and lawyers.
 
2013-06-26 04:52:20 PM
Wow, and I used to have a lot of respect for Nina Olson.  This is a genuinely terrible idea.
 
2013-06-26 04:52:32 PM

Rapmaster2000: Thunderpipes: TheBigJerk: Marcus Aurelius: This of course would apply only to Tea Party groups.  All others can go scratch.

Nah, just anyone who is or can afford an accountant to fill out the complicated and only-available-to-rich-people paperwork.

You realize the IRS has cost many of those groups and individuals tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs?

I'm sorry, libbo, but Criminal-Coddlers like you can just suck it.  If these people can't stop breaking the law then they don't deserve any mercy from justice!


Breaking the law? Hehe. Now that, is a nice troll.
 
2013-06-26 04:52:43 PM

garion: I'm getting abused by the IRS. I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010. But the IRS believes the company and not me. So I need to pay nearly $50k between the taxes on that 'income' and fees and penalties (because I refused to pay it when I filed). 

Yes, I have an attorney. I've *finally*, within the past week got the company to reissue the 1099's, but only with threats of lawsuits. I *might* be able to convince the IRS that i really don't owe that money.. As it is, I've spent thousands on the attorney. If that doesn't work, I'll have to either cash out 401k's or declare bankruptcy (which has its own problems.).


If only there was a National Taxpayer Advocate who could help, free of charge.

Read that title somewhere...
 
2013-06-26 04:53:37 PM

Marine1: Kirzania: Slaves2Darkness: How does Mitt Romney get a 14% income tax rate? You don't call that abuse?

THIS.

It's very possible that Mitt gives more in taxes (14% in his bracket is quite a bit) than he takes. Ultimately, if you want to balance out budgets, you give every American a balance sheet. It'd be a fun experiment, if only for a year.


Problem is; most people don't accept that they get what they get.  For a simple example; my boss benefits from the fact that there are a lot of high-school educated applicants allowing him to pay less for high-school educated jobbers.  Yet he'll loudly scream about how his private education means he gets nothing out of public schools.
 
2013-06-26 04:53:40 PM

Marine1: Kirzania: Slaves2Darkness: How does Mitt Romney get a 14% income tax rate? You don't call that abuse?

THIS.

It's very possible that Mitt gives more in taxes (14% in his bracket is quite a bit) than he takes. Ultimately, if you want to balance out budgets, you give every American a balance sheet. It'd be a fun experiment, if only for a year.


i2.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-06-26 04:53:56 PM

Thunderpipes: Rapmaster2000: Thunderpipes: TheBigJerk: Marcus Aurelius: This of course would apply only to Tea Party groups.  All others can go scratch.

Nah, just anyone who is or can afford an accountant to fill out the complicated and only-available-to-rich-people paperwork.

You realize the IRS has cost many of those groups and individuals tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs?

I'm sorry, libbo, but Criminal-Coddlers like you can just suck it.  If these people can't stop breaking the law then they don't deserve any mercy from justice!

Breaking the law? Hehe. Now that, is a nice troll.


I bet you think the cops go around "profiling" THUGS don't you?  Al and Jesse would be proud of your attitude towards the law.
 
2013-06-26 04:54:01 PM
Please define "abused by the IRS."
 
2013-06-26 04:57:30 PM

garion: I'm getting abused by the IRS. I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010. But the IRS believes the company and not me. So I need to pay nearly $50k between the taxes on that 'income' and fees and penalties (because I refused to pay it when I filed).
Yes, I have an attorney. I've *finally*, within the past week got the company to reissue the 1099's, but only with threats of lawsuits. I *might* be able to convince the IRS that i really don't owe that money.. As it is, I've spent thousands on the attorney. If that doesn't work, I'll have to either cash out 401k's or declare bankruptcy (which has its own problems.).


Cool story, bro.
 
2013-06-26 04:58:37 PM
The IRS has been abusing American Citizens for decades.  It's a symptom of the disease that is how the IRS operates.  Wiping it off the planet and going to a flat tax would be a better approach, with a line saying that if your income is minimum wage or minimum wage + up to 10%, you don't pay taxes.

When I was a teenager my parents ended up owing money to the IRS and they thought it was completely unfair.  Their employer has a form from he IRS explaining how much money to pull from their paychecks, and another form for allowances.  My parents follow these forms and claim every allowance, and their employer does the same.  But then the IRS has the ability to look and say "Yeah, I know you followed our rules, but, you still didn't pull enough out." and then charge more money.  Even worse, as it happened to my parents, it was a couple of years after before the IRS found it, so there were added interests and penalties added.  How the hell is that not abuse???
 
2013-06-26 04:58:45 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Please define "abused by the IRS."


There's a link in TFA to the NTA's rather extensive report that does exactly that.
 
2013-06-26 04:59:58 PM

what_now: Pay your farking taxes and you won't be abused by the IRS. Don't pay your taxes, and you can die of cholera, tainted beef, or viking attack. Your choice.


So the IRS has never abused anyone or made any mistakes in auditing/appropriate penalties before?

Slaves2Darkness: How does Mitt Romney get a 14% income tax rate? You don't call that abuse?


He used perfectly legal tax structures that politicians themselves use to shield his income from the taxes they impose. How is that abuse?

Likewise, when Congress exempts themselves from insider trading laws, is it "abuse" of the flawed laws they wrote when they engage in activities that would get us plebeians arrested? No - simply taking advantages of the loopholes they wrote in.

/the solution to the problem is not only to eliminate the loopholes but to get rid of the income tax altogether
 
2013-06-26 05:08:29 PM

vernonFL: Thunderpipes: You realize the IRS has cost many of those groups and individuals tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs?

I don't believe the Yazoo County Tea Party Patriots hired $700 per hour accountants and lawyers.


I did the math with entirely made up numbers and he is spot on actually.
 
2013-06-26 05:11:11 PM

uber humper: [images.usatoday.com image 227x305]

I'll leave this here for the hell of it


2 things: Since the civil service is overwhelmingly white collar, that comparison is worthless.  Secondly, apparently the private sector needs to get it's ass in gear in regards to employee benefits.  Since they can afford to pay their CEO's 273 times the rate of their average worker, companies can open the spigot for employee benefits, right?
 
2013-06-26 05:11:52 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Uranus Is Huge!: Please define "abused by the IRS."

There's a link in TFA to the NTA's rather extensive report that does exactly that.


Hey everybody! Get a load of the noob that actually read the article.

The GOP has been much better at creating a culture of victimhood and persecution than life.

I dare some one to suggest that this lady isn't Republican.
 
2013-06-26 05:12:12 PM

vernonFL: Thunderpipes: You realize the IRS has cost many of those groups and individuals tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs?

I don't believe the Yazoo County Tea Party Patriots hired $700 per hour accountants and lawyers.



I'm pretty sure the Heritage Foundation, or Focus on the Family Action PAC or some other such non-partisan group donated services to the Upstanding and Patriotic teachers of the Constitution.  Now that there is a hint of a smell to it, those services were valued at $1,400/hour.

So they get  JU$TI$E, or they will file a totally non-frivolous lawsuit
 
2013-06-26 05:16:59 PM
Liberal, Conservative, whatever you are, if a Federal agency targets you for special treatment you should be owed money.

Lots of liberals saying no big deal, yet they would raise hell if they were targeted. Government's worldwide have a long history of abusing power for political purposes.

The perpetrators should be put in prison and the victims compensated. I would say the same thing if roles were reversed.
 
2013-06-26 05:17:04 PM

garion: I'm getting abused by the IRS. I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010. But the IRS believes the company and not me. So I need to pay nearly $50k between the taxes on that 'income' and fees and penalties (because I refused to pay it when I filed). 

Yes, I have an attorney. I've *finally*, within the past week got the company to reissue the 1099's, but only with threats of lawsuits. I *might* be able to convince the IRS that i really don't owe that money.. As it is, I've spent thousands on the attorney. If that doesn't work, I'll have to either cash out 401k's or declare bankruptcy (which has its own problems.).


I had a problem with the IRS that was simple but took an accountant and 14 months to resolve.

I couldn't figure out how to fix it and calling the IRS to find out how just didn work. Endless series if front line drones who just told me to pay the 12 grand I didn't actually owe.
 
2013-06-26 05:18:07 PM
So...socialism, then?
 
2013-06-26 05:21:56 PM

onyxruby: Liberal, Conservative, whatever you are, if a Federal agency targets you for special treatment you should be owed money.

Lots of liberals saying no big deal, yet they would raise hell if they were targeted. Government's worldwide have a long history of abusing power for political purposes.

The perpetrators should be put in prison and the victims compensated. I would say the same thing if roles were reversed.


Yeah, things would sure be different IF liberals were targeted.
 
2013-06-26 05:22:22 PM

gochuck: garion: I'm getting abused by the IRS. I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010. But the IRS believes the company and not me. So I need to pay nearly $50k between the taxes on that 'income' and fees and penalties (because I refused to pay it when I filed).

Yes, I have an attorney. I've *finally*, within the past week got the company to reissue the 1099's, but only with threats of lawsuits. I *might* be able to convince the IRS that i really don't owe that money.. As it is, I've spent thousands on the attorney. If that doesn't work, I'll have to either cash out 401k's or declare bankruptcy (which has its own problems.).

That's not the IRS's fault, this is the fault of the company that falsely reported. Take your gripe up with them.


This. You should sue the everloving shiat out of them. Ask for every penny you're out and then some. Please note: IANAL.
 
2013-06-26 05:23:21 PM

onyxruby: Liberal, Conservative, whatever you are, if a Federal agency targets you for special treatment you should be owed money.

Lots of liberals saying no big deal, yet they would raise hell if they were targeted. Government's worldwide have a long history of abusing power for political purposes.

The perpetrators should be put in prison and the victims compensated. I would say the same thing if roles were reversed.


THIS
 
2013-06-26 05:23:22 PM
 I think a better strategy, a trophy to the IRS for non-abusive treatment so someone.   The timing has to be correct.  Observe a period of time when they did not abuse, and then quickly quickly present it.   Be it an hour, day, week etc.
 
2013-06-26 05:26:10 PM

Hydra: what_now: Pay your farking taxes and you won't be abused by the IRS. Don't pay your taxes, and you can die of cholera, tainted beef, or viking attack. Your choice.

So the IRS has never abused anyone or made any mistakes in auditing/appropriate penalties before?

Slaves2Darkness: How does Mitt Romney get a 14% income tax rate? You don't call that abuse?

He used perfectly legal tax structures that politicians themselves use to shield his income from the taxes they impose. How is that abuse?

Likewise, when Congress exempts themselves from insider trading laws, is it "abuse" of the flawed laws they wrote when they engage in activities that would get us plebeians arrested? No - simply taking advantages of the loopholes they wrote in.

/the solution to the problem is not only to eliminate the loopholes but to get rid of the income tax altogether


I'm with you 100%! Unfortunately that will never happen, the entire system is too far gone now. Its all circling the drain. The sheeple keep voting the same trolls back into office year after year. The unscrupulous politicians retain their freebies, and vote themselves new ones, exemptions from insider trading is a great example.
 
2013-06-26 05:28:46 PM

onyxruby: Liberal, Conservative, whatever you are, if a Federal agency targets you for special treatment you should be owed money.

Lots of liberals saying no big deal, yet they would raise hell if they were targeted. Government's worldwide have a long history of abusing power for political purposes.

The perpetrators should be put in prison and the victims compensated. I would say the same thing if roles were reversed.


The IRS targeted groups suspected of illegal activity, not any particular political faction.  When filtering names, they used "progressive," "occupy" and even "blue" as well  as "tea party."  They looked into pro-Israel groups, too.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/24/irs-progressive-groups_n_34 92 679.html
 
2013-06-26 05:29:23 PM
Of course, if Congress actually authorizes the payments, it would be taxable. They only way the IRS could get any worse is if TSA ran it.
 
2013-06-26 05:33:35 PM

Random Discord: Hydra: what_now: Pay your farking taxes and you won't be abused by the IRS. Don't pay your taxes, and you can die of cholera, tainted beef, or viking attack. Your choice.

So the IRS has never abused anyone or made any mistakes in auditing/appropriate penalties before?

Slaves2Darkness: How does Mitt Romney get a 14% income tax rate? You don't call that abuse?

He used perfectly legal tax structures that politicians themselves use to shield his income from the taxes they impose. How is that abuse?

Likewise, when Congress exempts themselves from insider trading laws, is it "abuse" of the flawed laws they wrote when they engage in activities that would get us plebeians arrested? No - simply taking advantages of the loopholes they wrote in.

/the solution to the problem is not only to eliminate the loopholes but to get rid of the income tax altogether

I'm with you 100%! Unfortunately that will never happen, the entire system is too far gone now. Its all circling the drain. The sheeple keep voting the same trolls back into office year after year. The unscrupulous politicians retain their freebies, and vote themselves new ones, exemptions from insider trading is a great example.


You're both drinking Kool-Aid here.  Regardless of what you want, regardless of what anyone buys in the markets of influence, there are a few immutable facts.

1. At the very base level, a fiat currency depends on taxation to establish and maintain its value.

2.For this reason, any government which wishes to govern (ie Do anything at all) will have to levy taxes.

3.Every tax has to be collected by somebody.

There will always be an IRS, even if it is officially renamed the "Faerie Gold and Unicorn Fart Sorting Agency". Anyone who tells you different is selling something that you really don't want.
 
2013-06-26 05:35:07 PM

Jument: gochuck: garion: I'm getting abused by the IRS. I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010. But the IRS believes the company and not me. So I need to pay nearly $50k between the taxes on that 'income' and fees and penalties (because I refused to pay it when I filed).

Yes, I have an attorney. I've *finally*, within the past week got the company to reissue the 1099's, but only with threats of lawsuits. I *might* be able to convince the IRS that i really don't owe that money.. As it is, I've spent thousands on the attorney. If that doesn't work, I'll have to either cash out 401k's or declare bankruptcy (which has its own problems.).

That's not the IRS's fault, this is the fault of the company that falsely reported. Take your gripe up with them.

This. You should sue the everloving shiat out of them. Ask for every penny you're out and then some. Please note: IANAL.


On paper that's a great idea.  However, I got hosed by a former employer.  We were all hired on at once, worked for three weeks.  The day before we were to get paid we were all laid off.  I have texted and called both my former manager and  owner of the company.  The former manager has said that he hasn't gotten paid and the former owner sold all the assets the company had to clear debts, there is zero money for payroll.  I can report him to the state, but I won't get paid, and a lawsuit won't do any good (in Texas, if sued you can't lose your home, tools of your trade, car, and up to $30K of personal property at a depreciated value at you get to choose).  If this former employer did the same, what is there to sue for.  The employer made the mistake/falsified the 1099, it's between the IRS and the employer...or that's how it should be.
 
2013-06-26 05:36:04 PM

Aarontology: If they want a symbolic "apology payments", the $1,000 should be in monopoly money.


Eventually the US dollar is going to trade on par with Monopoly money.
But for now, the Fed can keep printing all they want.
 
2013-06-26 05:42:18 PM

naughtyrev: They should call the payments reparations.


This. Done in one.
 
2013-06-26 05:43:06 PM

what_now: Pay your farking taxes and you won't be abused by the IRS. Don't pay your taxes, and you can die of cholera, tainted beef, or viking attack. Your choice.


You can be abused by the IRS without having done anything even remotely wrong.  Back in the 80's:

IRS:  You omitted this W-2 from your tax return.

Mother:  I wasn't working at the time and I have no idea who that company even is.

IRS:  If you believe the W-2 is wrong contact your employer and get them to fix it.

Mother:  I have no employer and I can't even find the company you claim paid me.  Please provide me with a contact address.

IRS:  We can't do that.  Contact them and get them to fix it.

(Obviously an illegal used her SS#.)

At that point I went off to college and never heard how it ended up.

garion: I'm getting abused by the IRS. I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010. But the IRS believes the company and not me. So I need to pay nearly $50k between the taxes on that 'income' and fees and penalties (because I refused to pay it when I filed). 

Yes, I have an attorney. I've *finally*, within the past week got the company to reissue the 1099's, but only with threats of lawsuits. I *might* be able to convince the IRS that i really don't owe that money.. As it is, I've spent thousands on the attorney. If that doesn't work, I'll have to either cash out 401k's or declare bankruptcy (which has its own problems.).


Can you sue the company for what they have cost you?

garion: gochuck:

That's not the IRS's fault, this is the fault of the company that falsely reported. Take your gripe up with them.

Threats of garnishments, jail, being told I'm a flat out liar.

I certainly blame the other company. But various phone calls, letters, etc by IRS agents basically saying if I don't pay the full amount I'm basically screwed for life, for something I did not do. The situation is that I can not prove that they did not pay me. One agent even said they probably paid me in cash, and I have it hidden in a mattress, and I'm trying to get out of paying them. The IRS is believing a single piece of paper from the company, over all of my bank account records that don't show a single deposit from that company.

Someone asks how this happens? By a company trying get more tax deductions than its allowed to. It tried to use the 100k as an expense. (I never received any monies for that 100k)  But thats another story, that I do not want to post about for a variety of reasons.


Yeah, the IRS tends to go crazy when they feel they're seeing money slip away.
 
2013-06-26 06:31:24 PM

yeegrek: uber humper: [images.usatoday.com image 227x305]

I'll leave this here for the hell of it

2 things: Since the civil service is overwhelmingly white collar, that comparison is worthless.  Secondly, apparently the private sector needs to get it's ass in gear in regards to employee benefits.  Since they can afford to pay their CEO's 273 times the rate of their average worker, companies can open the spigot for employee benefits, right?


Just giving people an idea of how much an average IRS worker makes.
 
2013-06-26 06:50:15 PM

uber humper: yeegrek: uber humper: [images.usatoday.com image 227x305]

I'll leave this here for the hell of it

2 things: Since the civil service is overwhelmingly white collar, that comparison is worthless.  Secondly, apparently the private sector needs to get it's ass in gear in regards to employee benefits.  Since they can afford to pay their CEO's 273 times the rate of their average worker, companies can open the spigot for employee benefits, right?

Just giving people an idea of how much an average IRS worker makes.


*scrolls up out of idle curiosity*

No, you didn't.
 
2013-06-26 06:50:16 PM

uber humper: yeegrek: uber humper: [images.usatoday.com image 227x305]

I'll leave this here for the hell of it

2 things: Since the civil service is overwhelmingly white collar, that comparison is worthless.  Secondly, apparently the private sector needs to get it's ass in gear in regards to employee benefits.  Since they can afford to pay their CEO's 273 times the rate of their average worker, companies can open the spigot for employee benefits, right?

Just giving people an idea of how much an average IRS worker makes.


Well, let's see. Just one of the fallacies in your analysis there, your chart only lists 'Federal civilian' not specifically IRS worker. That covers a wide range of occupations.
 
2013-06-26 07:05:59 PM
I'm all for this, if the money comes from the pay checks of the IRS A$$holes that were responsible for the fiasco.  All the way up the chain.
 
2013-06-26 07:17:19 PM
This could be a sneaky way to get Republicans to support some Keynesian fiscal stimulus.
 
2013-06-26 07:49:50 PM

Slaves2Darkness: MyRandomName: Slaves2Darkness: I'm down with that if tax payers who abused the IRS were forced to pay 10% of their wealth to the IRS.

How does one abuse the IRS. What power does an individual have over a federal government agency?

How does Mitt Romney get a 14% income tax rate? You don't call that abuse?


I'm sorry. Can you point to what law he broke. Can you point to how he affected the IRS in a negative manner?

Your line of reasoning is really dumb.

Are you angry about obama's effective rate too?
 
2013-06-26 07:49:56 PM
You want me to pay extra for scamming the government with your fake non-profit? Take a hike.
 
2013-06-26 07:56:27 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Please define "abused by the IRS."


Have legally defined private documents leaked to liberal groups?

Have non qualifying questions such as "describe the content of your prayers" under the threat of perjury.

Have multiple audits for no objective reason, yes audits cost time and money.

Take on average a year and a half longer for legal recognition based generally on political views.

Need more?
 
2013-06-26 07:58:33 PM

what_now: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: what_now: Don't pay your taxes, and you can die of cholera, tainted beef, or viking attack. Your choice.

The Scandinavians are pretty laid back now. I don't think they're much of a threat.

Unless you're talking about those chunderf*cks from Minnesota.

They're biding their time until a group of sovereign citizens decides they don't want to be protected by the US Army. Then the long boats will sail and heads will roll.


Nah, we're [Vikings] hiding in plain sight; but, you are right, we are biding our time.

// come from long line of Viking ancestry. Not from MN.
 
2013-06-26 08:01:31 PM

propasaurus: onyxruby: Liberal, Conservative, whatever you are, if a Federal agency targets you for special treatment you should be owed money.

Lots of liberals saying no big deal, yet they would raise hell if they were targeted. Government's worldwide have a long history of abusing power for political purposes.

The perpetrators should be put in prison and the victims compensated. I would say the same thing if roles were reversed.

Yeah, things would sure be different IF liberals were targeted.


So tired of this idiocy. The only liberal groups that were targeted were for 501 (c) 3 groups, not 4. Not o ne liberal group can show they wwere asked innapropriate questions. All tea party groups scrutinized were sent to washington where applications were delayed for 27 months on average, liberal groups were left to line managers discretions. No liberal group had private documents leaked to conservative media groups.

Pretending treatment was equal is ignorant to the facts.
 
2013-06-26 08:06:32 PM

MyRandomName: propasaurus: onyxruby: Liberal, Conservative, whatever you are, if a Federal agency targets you for special treatment you should be owed money.

Lots of liberals saying no big deal, yet they would raise hell if they were targeted. Government's worldwide have a long history of abusing power for political purposes.

The perpetrators should be put in prison and the victims compensated. I would say the same thing if roles were reversed.

Yeah, things would sure be different IF liberals were targeted.

So tired of this idiocy. The only liberal groups that were targeted were for 501 (c) 3 groups, not 4. Not o ne liberal group can show they wwere asked innapropriate questions. All tea party groups scrutinized were sent to washington where applications were delayed for 27 months on average, liberal groups were left to line managers discretions. No liberal group had private documents leaked to conservative media groups.

Pretending treatment was equal is ignorant to the facts.


cry moar
 
2013-06-26 08:14:52 PM

propasaurus: MyRandomName: propasaurus: onyxruby: Liberal, Conservative, whatever you are, if a Federal agency targets you for special treatment you should be owed money.

Lots of liberals saying no big deal, yet they would raise hell if they were targeted. Government's worldwide have a long history of abusing power for political purposes.

The perpetrators should be put in prison and the victims compensated. I would say the same thing if roles were reversed.

Yeah, things would sure be different IF liberals were targeted.

So tired of this idiocy. The only liberal groups that were targeted were for 501 (c) 3 groups, not 4. Not o ne liberal group can show they wwere asked innapropriate questions. All tea party groups scrutinized were sent to washington where applications were delayed for 27 months on average, liberal groups were left to line managers discretions. No liberal group had private documents leaked to conservative media groups.

Pretending treatment was equal is ignorant to the facts.

cry moar


Lol. Sorry your bubble of ignorance was popped. Facts hurt.
 
2013-06-26 09:29:28 PM

uber humper: I'll leave this here for the hell of it


Good chart. Amazing that government employees make so much more on average. Wait a minute, the federal government doesn't employ a bunch of waiters at $2/hr that report $20k in annual income and have no benefits to speak of?

Color me shocked that an entity that almost exclusively employs professionals has higher pay and benefits than the workforce at large.
 
2013-06-27 01:58:22 AM

xenophon10k: Aarontology: If they want a symbolic "apology payments", the $1,000 should be in monopoly money.

Or Borders gift cards.


Both are worth more then the US dollar.
 
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