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(TaxProf)   Budget buster: National Taxpayer Advocate calls for $1,000 'apology payments' to taxpayers abused by the IRS   (taxprof.typepad.com) divider line 100
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2013-06-26 01:59:58 PM
They should call the payments reparations.
 
2013-06-26 02:02:16 PM

naughtyrev: They should call the payments reparations.


snort
 
2013-06-26 02:04:39 PM
If they want a symbolic "apology payments", the $1,000 should be in monopoly money.
 
2013-06-26 02:24:16 PM

Aarontology: If they want a symbolic "apology payments", the $1,000 should be in monopoly money.


Or Borders gift cards.
 
2013-06-26 02:48:24 PM
good luck with that.
 
2013-06-26 02:58:57 PM
Pay your farking taxes and you won't be abused by the IRS. Don't pay your taxes, and you can die of cholera, tainted beef, or viking attack. Your choice.
 
2013-06-26 03:00:47 PM

what_now: Don't pay your taxes, and you can die of cholera, tainted beef, or viking attack. Your choice.


The Scandinavians are pretty laid back now. I don't think they're much of a threat.

Unless you're talking about those chunderf*cks from Minnesota.
 
2013-06-26 03:16:44 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: what_now: Don't pay your taxes, and you can die of cholera, tainted beef, or viking attack. Your choice.

The Scandinavians are pretty laid back now. I don't think they're much of a threat.

Unless you're talking about those chunderf*cks from Minnesota.


They're biding their time until a group of sovereign citizens decides they don't want to be protected by the US Army. Then the long boats will sail and heads will roll.
 
2013-06-26 03:26:10 PM
I wonder where the government would get the money to pay $1,000 to these people.

This is the sort of fiscal soundness for which the taxpayer association advocates.
 
2013-06-26 03:26:30 PM
[Oh, wait you're serious.jpg]
 
2013-06-26 03:34:53 PM
This of course would apply only to Tea Party groups.  All others can go scratch.
 
2013-06-26 03:36:13 PM

xenophon10k: Or Borders gift cards.


Or $1,000 worth of sand.
 
2013-06-26 03:37:40 PM
Democrats support apology payments to minority farmers (and non farmers!) In Pigford. There is precedence.
 
2013-06-26 03:37:44 PM
This guy does understand where that money comes from, correct?  What a d*ckbag,
 
2013-06-26 03:38:35 PM

what_now: Pay your farking taxes and you won't be abused by the IRS. Don't pay your taxes, and you can die of cholera, tainted beef, or viking attack. Your choice.


Can we get our private tax documents leaked to ProPublica illegally for free too?
 
2013-06-26 03:39:16 PM
I'm down with that if tax payers who abused the IRS were forced to pay 10% of their wealth to the IRS.
 
2013-06-26 03:40:39 PM

Slaves2Darkness: I'm down with that if tax payers who abused the IRS were forced to pay 10% of their wealth to the IRS.


How does one abuse the IRS. What power does an individual have over a federal government agency?
 
2013-06-26 03:45:47 PM

MyRandomName: Slaves2Darkness: I'm down with that if tax payers who abused the IRS were forced to pay 10% of their wealth to the IRS.

How does one abuse the IRS. What power does an individual have over a federal government agency?


How does Mitt Romney get a 14% income tax rate? You don't call that abuse?
 
2013-06-26 03:46:32 PM
How we gonna pay for that?
 
2013-06-26 03:46:48 PM
The IRS abuses everybody.  I mean, just a few months ago... I had to report my income.  THEN those filthy animals had the nerve to ask what my marriage status was, how many "dependents" I may be supporting, and a whole flurry of questions about my expenses.  Unbelievable.  I hear that in some cases they may abuse people even further to actually supply DOCUMENTS to offer PROOF of the claims made during this inquisition.  It is like having to endure the Trail of Tears every damn year with these people...
 
2013-06-26 03:47:38 PM

MyRandomName: Slaves2Darkness: I'm down with that if tax payers who abused the IRS were forced to pay 10% of their wealth to the IRS.

How does one abuse the IRS. What power does an individual have over a federal government agency?


Darrell Issa just seemed to abuse them pretty good.
 
2013-06-26 03:48:54 PM
I was thinking of something similar for the NSA and TSA, but hey, the IRS works too.
 
2013-06-26 03:50:03 PM
Who was "abused" by the IRS?
 
2013-06-26 03:53:08 PM

Aarontology: xenophon10k: Or Borders gift cards.

Or $1,000 worth of sand.


And a hammer to go pound it with.
 
2013-06-26 03:53:14 PM

Aarontology: xenophon10k: Or Borders gift cards.

Or $1,000 worth of sand.


videos.videopress.com
Sand?!?
 
2013-06-26 03:56:20 PM
I'm getting abused by the IRS. I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010. But the IRS believes the company and not me. So I need to pay nearly $50k between the taxes on that 'income' and fees and penalties (because I refused to pay it when I filed). 

Yes, I have an attorney. I've *finally*, within the past week got the company to reissue the 1099's, but only with threats of lawsuits. I *might* be able to convince the IRS that i really don't owe that money.. As it is, I've spent thousands on the attorney. If that doesn't work, I'll have to either cash out 401k's or declare bankruptcy (which has its own problems.).
 
2013-06-26 03:58:55 PM

garion: I'm getting abused by the IRS. I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010. But the IRS believes the company and not me. So I need to pay nearly $50k between the taxes on that 'income' and fees and penalties (because I refused to pay it when I filed). 

Yes, I have an attorney. I've *finally*, within the past week got the company to reissue the 1099's, but only with threats of lawsuits. I *might* be able to convince the IRS that i really don't owe that money.. As it is, I've spent thousands on the attorney. If that doesn't work, I'll have to either cash out 401k's or declare bankruptcy (which has its own problems.).


Chapter 7 will not clear IRS debt.  It only stops the interest from accumulating.
 
2013-06-26 04:00:50 PM

Aarontology: xenophon10k: Or Borders gift cards.

Or $1,000 worth of sand.


To pack?
 
2013-06-26 04:01:30 PM

Slaves2Darkness: MyRandomName: Slaves2Darkness: I'm down with that if tax payers who abused the IRS were forced to pay 10% of their wealth to the IRS.

How does one abuse the IRS. What power does an individual have over a federal government agency?

How does Mitt Romney get a 14% income tax rate? You don't call that abuse?


That's because his money comes from investments, not a job.  It may not be fair, but it's legal and would not be considered abuse.

/not a Romney fan BTW
 
2013-06-26 04:01:48 PM

garion: I'm getting abused by the IRS. I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010. But the IRS believes the company and not me. So I need to pay nearly $50k between the taxes on that 'income' and fees and penalties (because I refused to pay it when I filed).

Yes, I have an attorney. I've *finally*, within the past week got the company to reissue the 1099's, but only with threats of lawsuits. I *might* be able to convince the IRS that i really don't owe that money.. As it is, I've spent thousands on the attorney. If that doesn't work, I'll have to either cash out 401k's or declare bankruptcy (which has its own problems.).


That's not the IRS's fault, this is the fault of the company that falsely reported. Take your gripe up with them.
 
2013-06-26 04:02:05 PM
Who Taxes the Taxman ?
 
2013-06-26 04:02:17 PM

Slaves2Darkness: How does Mitt Romney get a 14% income tax rate? You don't call that abuse?


THIS.
 
2013-06-26 04:03:14 PM

vernonFL: Who was "abused" by the IRS?


Depends on your definition of "abused.' The IRS treats people as if they are guilty until proven innocent.  That's abuse, as far as I'm concerned.

Although, I think they are referring to the certain 503(whatever) fillings taking longer than they should.

And while I'm on the topic, I think it is abuse of the federal government to tax American's incomes, wherever in the world they made it.  IIRC, outside of a small country in Africa the US is the only country to tax worldwide income.
 
2013-06-26 04:03:45 PM

garion: I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010.


How does this happen?
 
2013-06-26 04:06:15 PM

garion: I'm getting abused by the IRS. I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010. But the IRS believes the company and not me. So I need to pay nearly $50k between the taxes on that 'income' and fees and penalties (because I refused to pay it when I filed).
Yes, I have an attorney. I've *finally*, within the past week got the company to reissue the 1099's, but only with threats of lawsuits. I *might* be able to convince the IRS that i really don't owe that money.. As it is, I've spent thousands on the attorney. If that doesn't work, I'll have to either cash out 401k's or declare bankruptcy (which has its own problems.).


Sue the company for your attorney's fees, etc. They are the one making the false claims.
 
2013-06-26 04:07:49 PM
Why do I hear the faint sound of laughter wafting from the halls of Washington after reading this?
 
2013-06-26 04:09:57 PM
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I'll leave this here for the hell of it
 
2013-06-26 04:10:16 PM

vernonFL: Who was "abused" by the IRS?


Show us on the doll where the IRS touched you.
 
2013-06-26 04:11:43 PM

Arkanaut: vernonFL: Who was "abused" by the IRS?

Show us on the doll where the IRS touched you.


It started with both shoulders
 
2013-06-26 04:13:02 PM

gochuck: garion: I'm getting abused by the IRS. I had a company falsely report nearly $100k of income on me in 2010. But the IRS believes the company and not me. So I need to pay nearly $50k between the taxes on that 'income' and fees and penalties (because I refused to pay it when I filed).

Yes, I have an attorney. I've *finally*, within the past week got the company to reissue the 1099's, but only with threats of lawsuits. I *might* be able to convince the IRS that i really don't owe that money.. As it is, I've spent thousands on the attorney. If that doesn't work, I'll have to either cash out 401k's or declare bankruptcy (which has its own problems.).

That's not the IRS's fault, this is the fault of the company that falsely reported. Take your gripe up with them.


As the IRS takes his assets which prevents him from hiring an attorney to fight the company that farked him...   right...
 
2013-06-26 04:14:29 PM
We used to get guys like this all the time when I worked in Customer Service.  He comes in, always with a bunch of friends and/or family and rages loud and long about how he was treated badly/got a crappy product and as a result, demands not just a refund of his money, but to either keep the 'crappy product' or get heavily reimbursed.

It's always a scam and usually by people who see scamming businesses as a means of getting something for free.
 
2013-06-26 04:17:00 PM
gochuck:

That's not the IRS's fault, this is the fault of the company that falsely reported. Take your gripe up with them.

Threats of garnishments, jail, being told I'm a flat out liar.

I certainly blame the other company. But various phone calls, letters, etc by IRS agents basically saying if I don't pay the full amount I'm basically screwed for life, for something I did not do. The situation is that I can not prove that they did not pay me. One agent even said they probably paid me in cash, and I have it hidden in a mattress, and I'm trying to get out of paying them. The IRS is believing a single piece of paper from the company, over all of my bank account records that don't show a single deposit from that company.

Someone asks how this happens? By a company trying get more tax deductions than its allowed to. It tried to use the 100k as an expense. (I never received any monies for that 100k)  But thats another story, that I do not want to post about for a variety of reasons.
 
2013-06-26 04:17:19 PM

Infernalist: It's always a scam and usually by people who see scamming businesses as a means of getting something for free.


I can see this. The only obvious agreement is going to be to disband the IRS and the tax code/law and replace it with flat tax/tiered tax that is so simple, a 4th grader would be able to figure it out.
 
2013-06-26 04:17:56 PM

naughtyrev: They should call the payments reparations.


Aaaaaand we're done.
 
2013-06-26 04:22:36 PM

Kirzania: Infernalist: It's always a scam and usually by people who see scamming businesses as a means of getting something for free.

I can see this. The only obvious agreement is going to be to disband the IRS and the tax code/law and replace it with flat tax/tiered tax that is so simple, a 4th grader would be able to figure it out.


Anything would be better, the IRS's own publication says if tax compliance were and industry, it would be one of the largest in the country with 3.8 million workers.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-utl/08_tas_arc_msp_1.pdf
 
2013-06-26 04:26:02 PM

Slaves2Darkness: I'm down with that if tax payers who abused the IRS were forced to pay 10% of their wealth to the IRS.


By not paying your taxes, or lying on them. This happens, and since the IRS does not audit everyone their are people who have been getting away with it for years, and if they are good liars maybe even decades. The Tea Party is an anti-government organization, that believes the government is spending money out of control and wants to stop the government from getting its hands on the people's money. Seems to me the IRS was just focusing its limited resources on a group of people it assumed would be more likely to cheat on or not pay, their taxes. They felt like they could catch more cheating by focusing on Americans who are upset with the way the government they elected spends their tax money, and since these idiots wanted to be part of that type of group they got audited.
 
2013-06-26 04:31:38 PM

naughtyrev: They should call the payments reparations.


Done in one.
 
2013-06-26 04:32:49 PM

Marcus Aurelius: This of course would apply only to Tea Party groups.  All others can go scratch.


Nah, just anyone who is or can afford an accountant to fill out the complicated and only-available-to-rich-people paperwork.
 
2013-06-26 04:37:18 PM

TheBigJerk: Marcus Aurelius: This of course would apply only to Tea Party groups.  All others can go scratch.

Nah, just anyone who is or can afford an accountant to fill out the complicated and only-available-to-rich-people paperwork.


You realize the IRS has cost many of those groups and individuals tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs?
 
2013-06-26 04:41:49 PM

Thunderpipes: TheBigJerk: Marcus Aurelius: This of course would apply only to Tea Party groups.  All others can go scratch.

Nah, just anyone who is or can afford an accountant to fill out the complicated and only-available-to-rich-people paperwork.

You realize the IRS has cost many of those groups and individuals tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs?


I call shenanagins.
 
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