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(Yahoo)   Lebron calls his shot with 27.9 seconds left in game 7 against the Spurs an "MJ moment." Too bad it's not really an MJ moment because Lebron didn't need to push off   (sports.yahoo.com) divider line 133
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2013-06-26 06:21:27 PM  

bertor_vidas: This Looks Fun: hugram: Cleveland had the best regular season record in the NBA during LeBron's last year there. Then he got his ass handed to him in the playoffs. Instead of getting angrier and say to himself, "not only is Cleveland going to have the best regular season record again next year, I will lead us to a championship", he went ahead and took the easier way out to get his rings with the help of two other future hall of famers.

There is no way Bird would have joined the Lakers if Boston kept losing to the Lakers (same thing with Magic). There is no way Jordan would have joined the Piston if Detroit kept beating Chicago in the Eastern finals. I truly don't think those guys would be proud of winning a ring that way.

I guess those comparisons make a lot of sense given that Jordan and Bird were surrounded with talent equivalent to LeBron in Cleveland. I would definitely say that the Rogues Gallery of Ilgauskas, Gooden, West, Wallace,  Szczerbiak, Smith, and Varejao are every bit the supporting cast that Pippen, Grant, Kukoc, and Kerr or Parish, McHale, and Walton were... In fact I would say that Cleveland did exactly what the Celtics and Bulls did, which completely validates your comparison.

/Not.

I hate you. Beat me by a shot clock.


It's cool. Yours was just as correct. I almost lost due to having to look up the spelling of half the clowns in Cleveland's awful sideshow.
 
2013-06-26 06:36:57 PM  

rickythepenguin: we can max you out.  but you can't go sign elsewhere, mmmmmmkay?"  so they released him frmo the contract, making him a free agent, Utah swoops him and makes him an offer he can't refuse, Cleveland refuses to match.


Yeah... that's pretty much the story as I remember it. You never let a good player out of a contract. You just say "I get why you're frustrated, but that's business". You're giving up player control for the privilege of paying him more. That's so beyond stupid. Sadly, this only makes Paxson the second-worst GM in Cavs history (He's behind Stepien. The man who so loved trading draft picks that the NBA created a rule that says you can't trade 1st round picks in consecutive year. The man who fired 3 head coaches in one season, only to bring the first one back a year later).
 
2013-06-26 06:47:24 PM  
lacydog:
Andre Miller (good pick, but they traded him in order to tank for the LeBron draft)
Trajan Langdon (awful)
Jamal Crawford would have been good if they didn't just draft him to trade for... Chris Mihm (who was okay, but was also traded in order to tank for the LeBron draft)
DeSagna Diop (awful)
DaJuan Wagner (out of the league in two years... impressive for a #6 overall pick)

They also had the #10 pick the year after LeBron. They chose Luke Jackson.

Ferry was brought in after that, but at that point LeBron was good enough that the team wouldn't be drafting high again. He did make a few savvy picks (Hickson at 19, Danny Green in the second round), but they would not be enough.


I actually played Armchair GM - Draft Edition one day. The Cavs, in hindsight, could have picked better players. The real failing, though, was giving away draft picks in trades. As an example, they had no picks in '07, and Tiago Splitter was drafted after two of the picks they traded away. They also missed out on George Hill, Lance Stephenson, and many more quality players either by forgoing them with their pick or trading away their picks. Not that these players would necessarily have put the Cavs over the top, but it seems like they've had typical Cleveland luck. To be fair, many of the drafts since LeBron's year have been pretty thin on quality talent in general and talent at the end of the first in particular. And what's to say these players would have developed the same in Cleveland as they have elsewhere?
 
2013-06-26 06:50:32 PM  

litespeed74: abhorrent1: MJ was a better player than you'll ever be, James. Get over it.

THIS

/LBJ, flavor of the week.


How many weeks are in 3 years?
 
2013-06-26 06:52:14 PM  

Mind of the North Star: Jordan never needed a Game 7 to win a title.


LeBron's never lost in the first round of the playoffs.
 
2013-06-26 07:09:57 PM  

CastorTroy: elguerodiablo: deanis: ManateeGag: abhorrent1: MJ was a better player than you'll ever be, James. Get over it.

MJ was a better player than James would ever imagine being.

You are both very wrong. But seriously, it was a bad move on LBJs part to make the comparison.

I'm sadly old enough to remember when MJ was playing he was constantly compared to Dr. J, Magic, Wilt and Larry Bird.   Seriously 27 years ago these rose tinted douches were saying Jordan is no Larry Bird.  Even after Jordan dropped 63 on Bird's Celtics.  No current player will ever be as good as the one that played right before him.

I'm old enough to remember the "MJ can't win the big one" criticism.  Sounds familiar.

AdolfOliverPanties: MJ - 6 NBA Finals trips, 6 Wins, 6 Finals MVPs

LJ - 4 NBA Finals trips, 2 Wins, 2 Finals MVPs

LJ - 10 solid years left.


If it wasn't for David Stern, LBJ wouldn't even have 2 rings yet.
 
2013-06-26 07:11:18 PM  
Jordan is easily the most overrated player ever.
 
2013-06-26 07:25:48 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: MJ - 6 NBA Finals trips, 6 Wins, 6 Finals MVPs

LJ - 4 NBA Finals trips, 2 Wins, 2 Finals MVPs



This has already been responded to, but I thought this was interesting:

Playoff series wins in seasons before first championship:

MJ ('84-'85* - '89-'90): 0, 0, 0, 1, 2, 2 = 5
LJ ('03-'04* - '10-'11): -, -, 1, 3, 1, 1, 1, 3 = 10

*MJ entered the league aged 21, LJ was 19. The Cavs didn't make the playoffs in their first two years with LBJ on the team.
 
2013-06-26 07:28:05 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Jordan is easily the most overrated player ever.


Which is kind of amazing considering how great he was. But here we are.
 
2013-06-26 07:38:09 PM  

js34603: Lost Thought 00: Jordan is easily the most overrated player ever.

Which is kind of amazing considering how great he was. But here we are.


exactly. He's (probably) the greatest player ever. It's just that he's been turned into a god, when in reality he was simply a few ticks better than the other great players.
 
2013-06-26 07:43:12 PM  

rickythepenguin: The Muthaship: That f*cking game caused them to play the highlights of my alma mater's epic fail in the college hockey championship a few years ago. I didn't need to see that again.


huh...what happened?  How many goals in how many seconds?


Miami (Ohio) lost to BU.  Miami was up 3-1 with something like 1:30 to go.
 
2013-06-26 07:49:16 PM  

Lost Thought 00: js34603: Lost Thought 00: Jordan is easily the most overrated player ever.

Which is kind of amazing considering how great he was. But here we are.

exactly. He's (probably) the greatest player ever. It's just that he's been turned into a god, when in reality he was simply a few ticks better than the other great players.


I blame Nike. Millions went into marketing him as the basketball god that you could be just like if you bought $150 shoes.
 
2013-06-26 07:52:31 PM  

Trey Le Parc: If it wasn't for David Stern, LBJ wouldn't even have 2 rings yet.


LOL, you're adorable.
 
2013-06-26 07:54:48 PM  
Seriously, if Stern was pulling strings, we would be on Kobe-LeBron IV by now.
 
2013-06-26 07:58:27 PM  

Mind of the North Star: Lebron calls his shot with 27.9 seconds left in game 7 against the Spurs an "MJ moment." Too bad it's not really an MJ moment because Lebron didn't need to push off Jordan never needed a Game 7 to win a title.


Fixed that for ya, Subs


/lots things Jordan didn't have to do
// like convene with free agent all-stars
///or flop
////or recover from losing the Finals
////etc


It's interesting when people bring the no game seven for MJ up.  The Spurs are WAY better than the teams MJ faced.
 
2013-06-26 08:45:16 PM  

The Muthaship: Gunny Highway: This conversation makes me want to

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everyone in the world.

I wish I could find the video of Sedale Threatt knocking Danny Ainge TFO.


I wish I could just knock Danny Ainge TFO.
 
2013-06-26 08:47:13 PM  
Let's see King James actually prevent a HOF player from playing in the Olympics and then get back to me.

i.cdn.turner.com
 
2013-06-26 08:51:48 PM  
ESPN: 'Lebron called upon Lebron to Lebron the Lebroness in crunch Lebron time and he Lebronned.'

/Lebron
//slashies
 
2013-06-26 08:54:20 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Jordan is easily the most overrated player ever.


The NBA left the relativity building once Bird and Magic left. Jordan was all they had left to keep the boat afloat.
 
2013-06-26 09:24:40 PM  
Ah, the people in this thread are going to great lengths to discredit Lebron.

"He's not a killer."
"He doesn't dominate."
"Doesn't always take the last shot."

It's like I'm listening to a bunch of Skip Baylesses but hating on Lebron instead.
 
2013-06-26 09:58:24 PM  

Mateorocks: Let's see King James actually prevent a HOF player from playing in the Olympics and then get back to me.

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Because I can't figure out how many collegiate victories PJ had, let's just leave it at this: The ASSISTANT COACHES on that team had over 3,000 wins, including the most all-time collegiate wins and one-time leader in NBA wins.  That team was truly ridiculous.
 
2013-06-26 10:02:24 PM  

MugzyBrown: Ya know what made MJ more awesome than Kobe and LBJ (more than being a better player) ?

He wasn't trying to make 'Magic Moments' or "Dr J Moments" or trying to convince people he was just as good as Wilt.

He was too busy making MJ moments


Jordan was known as "The next Doctor J" his first four years in the league and as far as being the GOAT,Kareem has as many rings, more league MVPs, and better stats than Jordan. Plus, he wasn't forced to bail for two years because of gambling. Oh and Kareem had an unblockable shot and rarely if ever traveled. Jordan made a career out of taking 3 steps when only 1 was allowed.
 
2013-06-26 11:54:50 PM  
Let me guess, the original joke was "because MJ didn't need a game 7."
 
2013-06-27 12:15:50 AM  

MugzyBrown: CastorTroy: I never saw MJ play all 5 spots at an NBA level.

So if you're more versitile you're a better player?  And Magic "jumping center" for one game is totally over-rated.  Just look at their numbers, it's not close.

The Banana Thug: LBJ is posting better all-around numbers than MJ


Through to seasons

MJ: 32.2 ppg, 51% FG; 30% 3pt; 5.5 Ast; 5.9 Reb; 2.5 Stl; 29.6 Per
LBJ: 25.0 ppg; 49% FG; 33% 3pt; 6.9 ASt; 7.3 Rb; 1.7 Stl; 27.6 Per

You can say similar all-around numbers, but you can't argue better.


Through WHAT seasons?

Don't forget that MJ went to North Carolina for a few years before entering the NBA, whereas Lebron joined right after high school.  So, MJ was a much more polished player by the time he was drafted, while Lebron had to learn under fire as a teenager in Cleveland, which really hurt his per-game average for the early part of his career.  The upside of entering right after high school, however, is higher probability of better career numbers.
 
2013-06-27 04:31:21 AM  
"That is mostly because basketball was a "B" grade sport until he arrived - without him it is highly unlikely the NBA would have risen so quickly - the sport owes him everything - that is why he should always be considered the best - all these younger players get the contracts and endorsements they do now because of him.

Magic and Larry was good - but did not turn on the world the way MJ did - they also both had small shoe contracts, but MJ got his own brand."

The NBA was a B grade sport until Jordan? Now that's giving him too much credit. The NBA wasn't big until Bird and Magic arrived to continue their college battle. They revived the NBA and made it a big time league. The NBA owes Jordan everything? Uh without Bird and Magic there might not have been much of a league for Jordan to go to.

And all the pro players on The Dream Team was known worldwide, it wasn't Michael Jordan and his supporting cast of 12 no names. Jordan was big but you're giving no credit for what was there before him.
 
2013-06-27 07:11:17 AM  

rickythepenguin: When MJ played with the flu, that was the most incredible achievement in sports history ever.

XOXO,
Skinny Mike from Mike and Mike


Notable all time great Kelly Tripucka broke the all time scoring record for the Pistons while sick with the flu. Having the flu isn't as big a deal as skinny Mike seems to think it is.
 
2013-06-27 07:47:50 AM  

chimp_ninja: hugram: I grew up in LA in the 80's... and even I agree that MJ > Magic... in fact, Bird > Magic.

However, I saw a documentary which proved that Dr. J. regularly beat Larry Bird one on one.

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Man that game was awesome.  I'd always try to break the backboard so the janitor would come out and cuss me out.
 
2013-06-27 08:04:56 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: No. Bo Jackson, Don Sanders and several others would argue. Mentally, he may have been, although Kobe is as tough mentally but not as skilled athletically as MJ.


You sarcasm meter is broken
 
2013-06-27 09:02:42 AM  

MugzyBrown: Ya know what made MJ more awesome than Kobe and LBJ (more than being a better player) ?

He wasn't trying to make 'Magic Moments' or "Dr J Moments" or trying to convince people he was just as good as Wilt.

He was too busy making MJ moments bets on basketball games.



/ftfy
 
2013-06-27 02:06:40 PM  
LeBron doesn't even think he's better than MJ. So why do all his fanboys think it?

skinink: "That is mostly because basketball was a "B" grade sport until he arrived - without him it is highly unlikely the NBA would have risen so quickly - the sport owes him everything - that is why he should always be considered the best - all these younger players get the contracts and endorsements they do now because of him.

Magic and Larry was good - but did not turn on the world the way MJ did - they also both had small shoe contracts, but MJ got his own brand."

The NBA was a B grade sport until Jordan? Now that's giving him too much credit. The NBA wasn't big until Bird and Magic arrived to continue their college battle. They revived the NBA and made it a big time league. The NBA owes Jordan everything? Uh without Bird and Magic there might not have been much of a league for Jordan to go to.

And all the pro players on The Dream Team was known worldwide, it wasn't Michael Jordan and his supporting cast of 12 no names. Jordan was big but you're giving no credit for what was there before him.


John Stockton was able to run around Barcelona and talk to people who had his face on their tshirt. Probably the only reason the rest of the dream team stood out was because they were insanely tall and /or black.

I don't get all the MJ hate. He was the greatest basketball player ever. not my favorite but definitely the best.

Also defenses aren't that much different now a days. You cannot play a straight up zone in the NBA and if you think teams were playing pure man to man in the 90s you are mistaken.
 
2013-06-27 02:57:18 PM  

lacydog: DaJuan Wagner (out of the league in two years... impressive for a #6 overall pick)


Wow, I remember him... A utter shiatload of health problems ended his career
 
2013-06-27 03:49:59 PM  

bopis: I don't get all the MJ hate. He was the greatest basketball player ever. not my favorite but definitely the best.


Never heard the name Bill Russell?
Actually believe that the rules were NEVER bent exclusively for Michael Jordan, the NBA cash cow to give him an edge in games? The push-off is just the tip of the iceberg.
No, even better. You actually believe that a pro basketball team owner would allow his star player to up and quit, and then play for the double-A team of the MLB franchise owned by same said team owner?

I was caught up in the MJ hype as a pre-teen myself. But I grew up a bit, and realized it for what it was: hype.
 
2013-06-27 05:53:19 PM  

EyeballKid: You actually believe that a pro basketball team owner would allow his star player to up and quit, and then play for the double-A team of the MLB franchise owned by same said team owner?


That really is a lot to ask of anyone. I still can't believe this particular brand of kool-aid is so popular. What's worse is that from what I understand from friends in CHI, the "conspiracy" theory is pretty much just accepted as fact.
 
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