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(Yahoo)   National poll reflects that the 20-week-ban bill may actually be a victory for Republicans - who have succeeded in bringing the abortion debate away from the difficult rape-and-incest exceptions in which Democrats insist on exclusively framing it   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 19
    More: Followup, Republican, Democrats, abortion rights, Late termination of pregnancy, Democratic Coalition, Marsha Blackburn, House Republicans, two-thirds vote  
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2013-06-26 02:52:19 PM  
3 votes:

skullkrusher: to morons, perhaps.

parasites cannot live without a host. A viable fetus, by definition, can. Nothing to do with a "fictitious sky wizard" either. You gotta try a bit harder. Showing your hand so quickly is amateur hour bullshiat


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2013-06-26 01:58:48 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-06-26 01:54:29 PM  
2 votes:

serial_crusher: [i.imgflip.com image 480x317]


with back alley abortions the free market can decide who is the safest and who isn't.
2013-06-26 02:16:32 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: yep. You do know what a metaphor is, right? It is not meant to be a literal perfect match for the situation being described.


You only want to use a metaphor to hide the reality of your belief.
2013-06-26 02:12:22 PM  
1 votes:

serial_crusher: If you can't afford to take a pregnancy test at least once every 20 weeks you probably can't afford a baby or an abortion either, so keep it wrapped up and/or in your pants.


But no, he doesn't want to punish women for having sex.
2013-06-26 02:11:46 PM  
1 votes:

RedT: bdub77:

The woman can choose whether to do the cesarian or not. They can carry to full term if they wish. The state would pay for whatever procedure, for the time the woman is out of work, and for the care of the child for the first 18 years of life (as well as provide adoption services).

These are the same states that are fighting universal heath care.

/And does the mom get a unicorn as a parting gift?


Oh I totally get it, I'm totally on the level of rainbows and unicorns. But OK let's say that you are a Democratic strategist and you want to go to war on abortion as really one of the last talking points the GOP has any merit on. So you put together a very reasonable solution to it, backed up by data, that keeps both life of mother and fetus in consideration. Now you've got a real platform that most reasonable people can agree on.

You'll always have dissenters and disagreements in both parties. My mom, total anti-abortion nut. My mother-in-law, pro-abortion and in fact had one years ago. Both are total conservatives and love each other, both are borderline insane. I would love to put them in a room together and have them discuss abortion (OMG why have I not thought of that)?
2013-06-26 02:10:41 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: what_now: skullkrusher: what_now: skullkrusher: nice subject change.

You brought up Europe.

skullkrusher: Do you now agree that society can and should restrict abortions after a certain point or we still going with the balls out "feminist" stupidity?

No. I will never, ever agree that "society" has a right to decide on my health care decisions,EVER, regardless of how stupid you think feminism is.

well, tough shiat, cupcake. Reasonable people have agreed that reasonable restrictions on abortion after a certain point is good. All over the world, actually.

/cupcake was for effect
//I do rather like you, ya crazy feminazi babykiller

It has been a long long time since I've heard any politician make a reasonable argument for restricting abortion access.

just to be clear, we are referring to your apparent position that abortion should be unrestricted, for any reason, up until the moment of birth... presumably you think infanticide is bad. Hard to understand for people who support unfettered abortion up until the point the baby finishes its move through the birth canal but I must assume.


The Spartans did, good enough for me. Hell, I'd even let there be a 30-day return policy on babies. Three weeks in, decide it isn't for you, send it back to the manufacturer, aka, god.

Also, you are coming off as a sanctimonious douchbag. If you don't like abortions, don't farking get one. how hard is that to accept. How does it affect you if some women, or as you seem to be implying, some ho bag piece of chattel floozey gets an abortion? it doesn't. Not one iota. So in summary, fark off asswipe.
2013-06-26 02:02:08 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: People like me? I think defining "elective" as an abortion performed for reasons other than protecting the life and health of the mother is pretty reasonable. Why do you hate reasonable people?


sure until some asshole says something like:

serial_crusher: Be careful how you use the word "health". The like to point out the inherent health risks of pregnancy itself ("oh no, it's almost as risky as driving a car!") or make dubious claims about mental health with ridiculous thresholds for what counts as reasonable mental health protection ("being pregnant makes me sad, boo hoo!")


And makes my point for me.
2013-06-26 02:01:48 PM  
1 votes:

Epoch_Zero: [i2.kym-cdn.com image 500x240]


As a white male between the ages of 18 and 45, I feel not only the right but the obligation to make sweeping, binding declarations on a subject that can literally never possibly affect me, and those wimminz better shut up and listen because I know about the ladybits.
2013-06-26 01:48:57 PM  
1 votes:

spiderpaz: lolwut? I hate to break it to you but plenty of women and non-white men disagree with you. You can't just blame white men any time you're trying to make an argument unsuccessfully. That's ridiculous.


The GOP is the party of the old white man. There is no way around that, regardless of how many camera angles they show their black friend from.
2013-06-26 01:48:07 PM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: yeah that doesn't say anything about abortion. Nor does it even mention that the woman is pregnant.


And if she was correctly accused of infidelity (which is what that's all about), she dies pretty horrifically - swelling from thigh to breast until she bursts. This happens in public after a priest tears her shirt off (yah rly).
If she's falsely accused of infidelity, she gets preggers within the year. Presumably by her husband's doing.

Perhaps the Bible is not the source we want to use here.
2013-06-26 01:37:49 PM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: vernonFL: IF you are against abortion, go do a Google Image search for "harlequin baby"

Then tell me you're against all abortion.

/NEVER do a GIS for "harlequin baby."

OMG I wish I had just taken your word for it. I am not easily disgusted but...OMG I feel like I need a pint of bourbon to forget that.


I'll never get tired of posting these:
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2013-06-26 01:29:13 PM  
1 votes:
Americans favor such a bill by 48 percent to 44 percent.

...

It has a margin of error of 3.6 percentage points.


That seems well within the margin of error to comfortably say Americans are rather evenly split on the matter. But, hey, let's not let a little thing like "understanding statistics" get in the way of the narrative. And, nice job putting the margin of error - critical information to properly frame the findings - as the very last sentence.

Democrats have proven adept in recent years at framing the abortion debate by focusing on those cases, successfully casting Republicans--especially Republican men--as out-of-touch extremists.

No, Republicans are very adept at casting Republicans as out-of-touch extremists. Democrats are just very adept at not letting people forget that.
2013-06-26 01:28:34 PM  
1 votes:

dehehn: Honestly if you add "and in cases where it threatens the life of the mother" to rape and incest, then I feel like 20 weeks is a good compromise. "Didn't know they were pregnant", isn't really a great excuse for getting a late term abortion. If we're going to compromise on this then Democrats have to be willing to concede some things.


fark you. I'm not compromising on my health so old white men can feel better.
2013-06-26 01:09:16 PM  
1 votes:

Heraclitus: You know, if we hook a generator up to the Republican spin machine we could solve the worlds energy problems.


Or drain the universe of entropy, vanishing into a white hot singularity of perfect order.
2013-06-26 01:03:53 PM  
1 votes:
You know, if we hook a generator up to the Republican spin machine we could solve the worlds energy problems.
2013-06-26 12:58:25 PM  
1 votes:
"In the emergency room they have what's called rape kits, where a woman can get cleaned out."

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2013-06-26 12:51:29 PM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: IF you are against abortion, go do a Google Image search for "harlequin baby"

Then tell me you're against all abortion.

/NEVER do a GIS for "harlequin baby."


Harlequin babies and anencephalic lumps are gifts from god and furthermore
2013-06-26 12:45:23 PM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: Is it me, or has Yahoo become a right wing mouthpiece website in the last year? This is just more evidence of that.


Pretty much everywhere has. Even Fark has that farking Newsmax sidebar now.

Right-wing trash have the money and own the corporate outlets that manufacture news.
 
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