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2013-06-26 02:52:22 PM
I am wondering if charges could be brought on the changed time records under Texas law?
 
2013-06-26 02:52:39 PM
Hell, this Drew Springer guy's website is STILL claiming that it passed...
This morning, the Texas Legislature passed SB 5, the Pro-Life omnibus bill aimed at preserving unborn life and improving safety standards for abortion providers in the State of Texas.

http://www.house.state.tx.us/news/press-releases/?id=4630&session=83& d istrict=68&bill_code=2745">http://www.house.state.tx.us/news/press-re leases/?id=4630&session=83&d istrict=68&bill_code=2745
 
2013-06-26 02:53:01 PM

Rwa2play: Mistymtnhop: Cytokine Storm: Mistymtnhop: StubhyGraham: Corvus: What happened (based on reading many news stories) was the Republicans said Wendy Davis was out of order about 15 mins till midnight.

People in the gallery then started screaming let her talk, really loud that delayed the vote.

The vote was taken but it said 12:03 (or something but after midnight)

REPUBLICANS FORGED THE TIME STAMP TO SAY IT WAS BEFORE MIDNIGHT AND POSTED ON THE SITE IT PASSED BEFORE MIDNIGHT.

The Lt. governor said "Hey um no we aren't going to like forge time stamps to get this passed. I declare it didn't pass in time".

And there you go.

I think the Republicans who forged the time stamp should be investigated and thrown out.

That's close, but they ruled her out of order with about an hour and a half to go. After that, Senator Watson, West, and Van De Platte(sic) drew out the rest of the time with parliamentary procedure questions until about fifteen minutes to go. That's when they started the roll call for the vote to table the motion to debate the out of order call (I think I got that part right). Before the roll call started at 11:50, Van De Platte(sic) asked for another parlimentary procedure question, but the chair ignored her so she interrupted the roll call with "At what point must a female senator raise her hand to be recognized over her male colleagues?" The crowd went nuts and cheer for ten minutes straight so they couldn't finish the roll call.

Please tell me there is a video of this!

http://youtu.be/yPntuZ7jmGY

That's where the cheering kicked off for 10m

Have I told you lately that I love you?

Oh come on now!  Don't break into a Rod Stewart song!  You have a nice Led Zep inspired screen name too~!


Okay, I'm an even bigger geek because I was going with the Kenny Rogers version. You know Kenny Rogers was the shiat back in the day.
 
2013-06-26 02:53:28 PM

Bf+: Also, no tag teams, no bathroom breaks, oh, and you can't lean on the podium.


Yeah, that one seemed stupid.
 
2013-06-26 02:54:42 PM

EighthDay: Mikey1969: OK, so one more question: How does Filibuster work in Texas? Everywhere else, as I understand it, they can talk about whatever they want and can't be told to "shut up" and that they are being shut down because they are "off topic". Do they get to do this in Texas?

No.  It was covered in detail in the big thread last night, but the filibuster in the Texas Senate is a lot stricter than even the Mr Smith Goes to Washington style filibuster.  There's no switching out with other senators, there's no bathroom breaks, and you must stay on-topic (germane) or your filibuster gets ended.  You can't even lean on the desk or sit down.


I missed the thread last night, but I was surprised by the lean on the podium and bathroom breaks thing. I have no problem with these guy needing to stay germane to the conversation though, that would make the filibuster as a whole easier to swallow.
 
2013-06-26 02:55:34 PM

sdd2000: I am wondering if charges could be brought on the changed time records under Texas law?


I've been wondering, too. Haven't seen a story on it yet, which seems odd.
 
2013-06-26 02:56:40 PM

max_pooper: The Governor could call another special session but would expend a lot of political capital to do so. If he does, Democratic Senators could go on vacation out of state preventing a quorum.


I thought that the Republicans had enough seats this time that they have a quorum without the Democrats.  The last time the Democrats went out of state to prevent a quorum, it was to prevent the redistricting that would lead to this situation.
 
2013-06-26 02:58:27 PM
Oh wait, I just realized that I *did* miss one!

Re: sitting down, a filibustering Texas Senator is not allowed to sit down while talking.. but rules do say that a filibustering senator MUST sit down while points of procedure are debated, and allows for the senator to be FORCED to sit down if they do not do so voluntarily. Which was also ignored by the President, who ruled that she could not sit down while points of procedure were debated.

My wording may not be perfect, but I remember this coming up in one or both of last night's threads; there were points where the rules said she had to sit down, but the President ruled that she could not.
 
2013-06-26 03:03:38 PM

NightSteel: Oh wait, I just realized that I *did* miss one!

Re: sitting down, a filibustering Texas Senator is not allowed to sit down while talking.. but rules do say that a filibustering senator MUST sit down while points of procedure are debated, and allows for the senator to be FORCED to sit down if they do not do so voluntarily. Which was also ignored by the President, who ruled that she could not sit down while points of procedure were debated.

My wording may not be perfect, but I remember this coming up in one or both of last night's threads; there were points where the rules said she had to sit down, but the President ruled that she could not.


Texas needs Guy Caballero.
 
2013-06-26 03:04:15 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Yes.  The only sour note is that I could probably win some money betting that this will still get passed eventually.  They aren't done.  They have the votes.  It will pass in the next special session Perry calls unless they somehow manage a ridiculous 60 hour filibuster (trying to find where I read that).


The idea of a rubber stamp special session isn't that simple.  Legislators do actually feel they are a separate and equal branch of government.  The bill didn't pass in the regular session.  Perry called a special session on other stuff, then plopped this down on them after the fact.  Then yesterday happened.  Everyone "knows" he will call a second session.  People are kinda riled up.  A whole bunch of people basically told the Republicans in the Texas senate to STFU and sit down in the most blatant way possible last night.  It is entirely possible for the Texas Legislature to decide "fark it, we are not that dedicated to being Rick Perry's Presidential Campaign Bone Fides Fluffers; he can pound sand."  Not because they saw the light, or even disagree with him, but because getting kicked in the goolies for some other guy's benefit rankles.  It has happened in other states, where the legislature gets fed up with being the governor's biatch wrt special sessions, and digs in out of sheer spite.

I'm not saying that will happen - they could happily shiat on women to get in more time slobbering his knob - but don't assume all Perry has to do is keep calling special sessions until Davis dies from exhaustion
 
Bf+
2013-06-26 03:04:29 PM

EighthDay: *shakes tiny fist*


:D
 
2013-06-26 03:05:05 PM

Rwa2play: Corvus: What happened (based on reading many news stories) was the Republicans said Wendy Davis was out of order about 15 mins till midnight.

People in the gallery then started screaming let her talk, really loud that delayed the vote.

The vote was taken but it said 12:03 (or something but after midnight)

REPUBLICANS FORGED THE TIME STAMP TO SAY IT WAS BEFORE MIDNIGHT AND POSTED ON THE SITE IT PASSED BEFORE MIDNIGHT.

The Lt. governor said "Hey um no we aren't going to like forge time stamps to get this passed. I declare it didn't pass in time".

And there you go.

I think the Republicans who forged the time stamp should be investigated and thrown out executed.

Since they execute for just about anything in Texas these days...


They've also executed the mentally retarded before...
 
2013-06-26 03:05:17 PM
www.maxallancollins.com
 
2013-06-26 03:07:08 PM
www.wizardscupboard.com

Bureaucracy - Sometimes it works biatches!!!
 
2013-06-26 03:08:49 PM

flondrix: max_pooper: The Governor could call another special session but would expend a lot of political capital to do so. If he does, Democratic Senators could go on vacation out of state preventing a quorum.

I thought that the Republicans had enough seats this time that they have a quorum without the Democrats.  The last time the Democrats went out of state to prevent a quorum, it was to prevent the redistricting that would lead to this situation.


The Texas Senate has 32 members, 31 Senators and the Lieutenant Governor who serves as President and casts any tie breaker votes. The State Constitution states that a quorum is 2/3, or 22 members. The Senate is currently made up of 12 Democrats Senators, 19 Republicans Senators and the Republicans Lieutenant Governor. The Democrats have the power to break quorum and prevent votes by leaving the state.
 
2013-06-26 03:10:58 PM

max_pooper: flondrix: max_pooper: The Governor could call another special session but would expend a lot of political capital to do so. If he does, Democratic Senators could go on vacation out of state preventing a quorum.

I thought that the Republicans had enough seats this time that they have a quorum without the Democrats.  The last time the Democrats went out of state to prevent a quorum, it was to prevent the redistricting that would lead to this situation.

The Texas Senate has 32 members, 31 Senators and the Lieutenant Governor who serves as President and casts any tie breaker votes. The State Constitution states that a quorum is 2/3, or 22 members. The Senate is currently made up of 12 Democrats Senators, 19 Republicans Senators and the Republicans Lieutenant Governor. The Democrats have the power to break quorum and prevent votes by leaving the state.


I wouldn't do that I would just force them to drag my ass there, with a news crew their to watch.

Can you imagine them dragging women congressmen for that vote to happen?
 
2013-06-26 03:11:20 PM

max_pooper: flondrix: max_pooper: The Governor could call another special session but would expend a lot of political capital to do so. If he does, Democratic Senators could go on vacation out of state preventing a quorum.

I thought that the Republicans had enough seats this time that they have a quorum without the Democrats.  The last time the Democrats went out of state to prevent a quorum, it was to prevent the redistricting that would lead to this situation.

The Texas Senate has 32 members, 31 Senators and the Lieutenant Governor who serves as President and casts any tie breaker votes. The State Constitution states that a quorum is 2/3, or 22 members. The Senate is currently made up of 12 Democrats Senators, 19 Republicans Senators and the Republicans Lieutenant Governor. The Democrats have the power to break quorum and prevent votes by leaving the state.


OK. Good to know. Wasn't sure what the R/D split was and the total number needed for a quorum. It's still a tenuous hold, though, and the D's may have to stay out of the state for a long time.
 
2013-06-26 03:13:11 PM
I don't see why the Democrats couldn't create a nesting doll of filibusters.  Dig deep in the weeds of Robert's Rules of Order and start a daisy chain of amendments and points of order.  Then you filibuster each of those separately.  Pick a person for each.  Give them each reams of material that is germane to that point.  The idea being that any one Democrat only has to talk for a couple hours each, then hands off the baton, not by the traditional means, but by letting another one filibuster for the next point in the chain.  Hell, start arguing with each other!  Decide who gets to be the "bad guys", and start a legislative row.  Just lay into each other, complete with appeals to the Rules and discursive nattering.  It might stall out the Republicans by making them want to watch the Democrats "implode".  If the Democrats need pointers, just go find some geeks and ask them about the fine art of stack resolution in MtG - because Heaven knows those farkers can argue not a goddamn thing for hours and hours.
 
2013-06-26 03:19:12 PM

phalamir: Dig deep in the weeds of Robert's Rules of Order and start a daisy chain of amendments and points of order.


The GOP would just ignore the rules, as they did last night.
 
2013-06-26 03:21:24 PM

phalamir: Everyone "knows" he will call a second session.  People are kinda riled up.  A whole bunch of people basically told the Republicans in the Texas senate to STFU and sit down in the most blatant way possible last night.  It is entirely possible for the Texas Legislature to decide "fark it, we are not that dedicated to being Rick Perry's Presidential Campaign Bone Fides Fluffers; he can pound sand."  Not because they saw the light, or even disagree with him, but because getting kicked in the goolies for some other guy's benefit rankles.  It has happened in other states, where the legislature gets fed up with being the governor's biatch wrt special sessions, and digs in out of sheer spite.


I don't disagree.  It could happen.  I do think this is Texas and the Republican base will actually support their efforts last night so you bet we're in for another round yeehaw even if nobody is buying their "protect the health of women" crap.
 
2013-06-26 03:22:20 PM

cendojr: RanDomino: SB5 opponents have no long-term strategy.

There's only so much long term strategy you can have when the side pushing the vote can push the filibuster requirement beyond human limits.  She had an 11 hour filibuster because the senate refused to waive the 24 hour posting delay due to another senator's father's death.  That ain't happening again, and I really don't think you're going to see a 30+ hour filibuster succeed.
Or they can put in Relief Senate President from the start and have him simply refuse to acknowledge the Democrats who want to speak.  Almost worked last night.


Dewhurst was not in the Chair due to an objection on his ruling against Sen West.
 
2013-06-26 03:24:01 PM

StubhyGraham: Corvus: What happened (based on reading many news stories) was the Republicans said Wendy Davis was out of order about 15 mins till midnight.

People in the gallery then started screaming let her talk, really loud that delayed the vote.

The vote was taken but it said 12:03 (or something but after midnight)

REPUBLICANS FORGED THE TIME STAMP TO SAY IT WAS BEFORE MIDNIGHT AND POSTED ON THE SITE IT PASSED BEFORE MIDNIGHT.

The Lt. governor said "Hey um no we aren't going to like forge time stamps to get this passed. I declare it didn't pass in time".

And there you go.

I think the Republicans who forged the time stamp should be investigated and thrown out.

That's close, but they ruled her out of order with about an hour and a half to go. After that, Senator Watson, West, and Van De Platte(sic) drew out the rest of the time with parliamentary procedure questions until about fifteen minutes to go. That's when they started the roll call for the vote to table the motion to debate the out of order call (I think I got that part right). Before the roll call started at 11:50, Van De Platte(sic) asked for another parlimentary procedure question, but the chair ignored her so she interrupted the roll call with "At what point must a female senator raise her hand to be recognized over her male colleagues?" The crowd went nuts and cheer for ten minutes straight so they couldn't finish the roll call.


That, metaphorically, was getting the first down on fourth and long, wth a play-action pass across the middle between three defenders.
 
2013-06-26 03:24:53 PM

max_pooper: RanDomino: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat
It is dead as far as this special session goes, but the Governor can call another special session at which time the bill would be re-introduced.

This. Depending on how it works in Texas they could pass it tomorrow. SB5 opponents have no long-term strategy.

No they can't. Bills can only be passed when the Legislature is in session. The Texas Legislature is a part time and only meets in odd numbered years. The regular session ended quite some time ago and the special session called by the Governor ended last night at midnight. The Governor would have to call another special session, quorum would need to be determined and the bill would need to be reintroduced following all the procedures starting from scratch.

The Governor could call another special session but would expend a lot of political capital to do so. If he does, Democratic Senators could go on vacation out of state preventing a quorum.


Republicans have enough members for a quorum.
 
2013-06-26 03:27:39 PM

mcreadyblue: max_pooper: RanDomino: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat
It is dead as far as this special session goes, but the Governor can call another special session at which time the bill would be re-introduced.

This. Depending on how it works in Texas they could pass it tomorrow. SB5 opponents have no long-term strategy.

No they can't. Bills can only be passed when the Legislature is in session. The Texas Legislature is a part time and only meets in odd numbered years. The regular session ended quite some time ago and the special session called by the Governor ended last night at midnight. The Governor would have to call another special session, quorum would need to be determined and the bill would need to be reintroduced following all the procedures starting from scratch.

The Governor could call another special session but would expend a lot of political capital to do so. If he does, Democratic Senators could go on vacation out of state preventing a quorum.

Republicans have enough members for a quorum.


No they don't.
 
2013-06-26 03:28:28 PM

mcreadyblue: max_pooper: RanDomino: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat
It is dead as far as this special session goes, but the Governor can call another special session at which time the bill would be re-introduced.

This. Depending on how it works in Texas they could pass it tomorrow. SB5 opponents have no long-term strategy.

No they can't. Bills can only be passed when the Legislature is in session. The Texas Legislature is a part time and only meets in odd numbered years. The regular session ended quite some time ago and the special session called by the Governor ended last night at midnight. The Governor would have to call another special session, quorum would need to be determined and the bill would need to be reintroduced following all the procedures starting from scratch.

The Governor could call another special session but would expend a lot of political capital to do so. If he does, Democratic Senators could go on vacation out of state preventing a quorum.

Republicans have enough members for a quorum.


No, they do not.
 
2013-06-26 03:37:58 PM

EighthDay: mcreadyblue: max_pooper: RanDomino: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat
It is dead as far as this special session goes, but the Governor can call another special session at which time the bill would be re-introduced.

This. Depending on how it works in Texas they could pass it tomorrow. SB5 opponents have no long-term strategy.

No they can't. Bills can only be passed when the Legislature is in session. The Texas Legislature is a part time and only meets in odd numbered years. The regular session ended quite some time ago and the special session called by the Governor ended last night at midnight. The Governor would have to call another special session, quorum would need to be determined and the bill would need to be reintroduced following all the procedures starting from scratch.

The Governor could call another special session but would expend a lot of political capital to do so. If he does, Democratic Senators could go on vacation out of state preventing a quorum.

Republicans have enough members for a quorum.

No they don't.


Quorum is 20.

There are 19 Republicans and 12 Democrats.

If the Senate dissolves itself into the Committee of the Whole, the Lieutenant Governor acts as a regular member and the President Pro-Tem resides. The Lieutenant Governor would then make 20.

Dewhurst did not attend Van De Putt's fathers funeral yesterday on purpose.
 
2013-06-26 03:42:20 PM
What happened to this rule:

LIMITATION ON VOTE
Rule 7.25. No vote shall be taken upon the passage of any bill on its 
third reading after the 135th calendar day of a regular session, nor for any 
purpose within the last 24 hours of the session unless it be to correct an error 
therein. It shall require a vote of four-fifths of members present to suspend this 
rule.
Note of Ruling
The 24-hour rule that prohibits a vote on a bill during 
the last 24 hours of a session of the Legislature makes further 
consideration and debate of the bill out of order when the 24th 
hour before final adjournment has arrived (44 S.J. Reg. 1819 
(1935)).
 
2013-06-26 03:44:34 PM

mcreadyblue: EighthDay: mcreadyblue: max_pooper: RanDomino: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat
It is dead as far as this special session goes, but the Governor can call another special session at which time the bill would be re-introduced.

This. Depending on how it works in Texas they could pass it tomorrow. SB5 opponents have no long-term strategy.

No they can't. Bills can only be passed when the Legislature is in session. The Texas Legislature is a part time and only meets in odd numbered years. The regular session ended quite some time ago and the special session called by the Governor ended last night at midnight. The Governor would have to call another special session, quorum would need to be determined and the bill would need to be reintroduced following all the procedures starting from scratch.

The Governor could call another special session but would expend a lot of political capital to do so. If he does, Democratic Senators could go on vacation out of state preventing a quorum.

Republicans have enough members for a quorum.

No they don't.

Quorum is 20.

There are 19 Republicans and 12 Democrats.

If the Senate dissolves itself into the Committee of the Whole, the Lieutenant Governor acts as a regular member and the President Pro-Tem resides. The Lieutenant Governor would then make 20.

Dewhurst did not attend Van De Putt's fathers funeral yesterday on purpose.


Quorum is 2/3 or 21.33333 or rounded up to 22. The Democrats hold 12 seats, 1 more than necessary to break quorum. Last time Democrats broke the quorum 11 of them left that state.

You have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2013-06-26 03:44:45 PM

mcreadyblue: EighthDay: mcreadyblue: max_pooper: RanDomino: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat
It is dead as far as this special session goes, but the Governor can call another special session at which time the bill would be re-introduced.

This. Depending on how it works in Texas they could pass it tomorrow. SB5 opponents have no long-term strategy.

No they can't. Bills can only be passed when the Legislature is in session. The Texas Legislature is a part time and only meets in odd numbered years. The regular session ended quite some time ago and the special session called by the Governor ended last night at midnight. The Governor would have to call another special session, quorum would need to be determined and the bill would need to be reintroduced following all the procedures starting from scratch.

The Governor could call another special session but would expend a lot of political capital to do so. If he does, Democratic Senators could go on vacation out of state preventing a quorum.

Republicans have enough members for a quorum.

No they don't.

Quorum is 20.

There are 19 Republicans and 12 Democrats.

If the Senate dissolves itself into the Committee of the Whole, the Lieutenant Governor acts as a regular member and the President Pro-Tem resides. The Lieutenant Governor would then make 20.

Dewhurst did not attend Van De Putt's fathers funeral yesterday on purpose.


A Quorum is only twenty if there are only thrirty qualified senators.

The rule:

QUORUM
Rule 5.02. Two-thirds of all the Senators elected shall constitute a 
quorum, but a smaller number may adjourn or recess from day to day and compel 
the attendance of absent members (Constitution, Article III, Section 10). In case 
a less number shall convene, the members present may send the 
Sergeant-at-Arms or any other person or persons for any or all absent members.
Editorial Note
The exact text of Section 10 of Article III of the State 
Constitution is as follows:
"Two-thirds of each House shall constitute a quorum to 
do business, but a smaller number may adjourn from day to 
day, and compel the attendance of absent members, in such 
manner and under such penalties as each House may provide."
Notes of Rulings
Twenty members of the Senate constitute a quorum 
when only 30 members have qualified (35 S.J. 2 C.S. 23, 32 
(1917)).
 
2013-06-26 03:53:23 PM
Most stuff never gets voted up or down, it just sorta gets put aside and thus, doesn't get passed.

We'll see what they'll do with it from here.
 
2013-06-26 03:53:32 PM
We now go live to Senator Davis for her reaction:

image.shutterstock.com
 
2013-06-26 04:04:39 PM

mcreadyblue: Dewhurst did not attend Van De Putt's fathers funeral yesterday on purpose.


Because he wasn't invited is on purpose, yes.
 
2013-06-26 04:06:44 PM
Davis is rightfully getting credit, but Watson and the rest of the bench deserve credit, they managed to burn almost two hours off the clock.

The Republicans embarrassed themselves in so many ways and made Wendy Davis a star. If the Dems had pulled those shenanigans, they'd be crying for impeachment and criminal charges.

I think if Perry was going to call for another special session he would have done it right away. Another session will only embarrass them further and draw the wrong kind of attention. The women of Texas are already riled up, they try to pass this again and there will be thousands of us filling the Capitol and grounds. We're ready to walk through walls if Wendy Davis asks us to.

They know this law is unconstitutional and will be thrown out in court. They propose these laws just so they can tell their base they tried and they've already got that. I don't see much upside to calling another special session.
 
2013-06-26 04:24:51 PM

Mistymtnhop: Please tell me there is a video of this!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWAOI6x8qus
 
2013-06-26 04:25:06 PM
If Governor Perry is being rational, and if he still wants to be President Perry, I think he lets this one drop, and does not call a special session.  Yesterday, the Republicans completely lost control of the message.  This failure is on them, but if Perry compounds things by going into another special session, he's going to take ownership of it.
 
2013-06-26 04:27:47 PM

NightSteel: mjones71822: I am more curious about the breakdowns of the rule violations last night.

I posted this on the other two big threads:

So, for those of you keeping score at home, I watched the stream last night myself, and here's what I'm remembering:

The Texas Senate's president made at least one awful ruling on germane-ness (talking about sonograms is not germane to the discussion about abortion? Really?); ended the filibuster without a promised vote to the body; improperly ended the filibuster on only two warnings for germane-ness in contravention to Senate rules requiring three; improperly gave the floor to someone else (who made the motion to table) after the ruling was appealed by Watson, and Watson had not yielded, in contravention of Senate rules; improperly gave the floor to someone else in the middle of Watson's 'closing' remarks on his appeal in contravention of Senate rules; improperly entertained motions beyond the appeal in contravention of Senate rules; refused to recognize Democrat senators at critical points in the debate; held at least one and possibly more votes without order on the floor; declared the vote for the bill valid despite occurring after midnight, which, by law, was the end of the session; and finally, in one last 'fark you' to the people of Texas, fraudulently had the Congressional record changed so said vote was recorded before midnight.

Did I miss any?


I didn't get any replies telling me I'd missed any or that any of these were inaccurate.


He also demeaned all the women who would have been affected by this bill when he said, "It's been fun, see you soon".
 
2013-06-26 04:28:12 PM

Phins: Davis is rightfully getting credit, but Watson and the rest of the bench deserve credit, they managed to burn almost two hours off the clock.

The Republicans embarrassed themselves in so many ways and made Wendy Davis a star. If the Dems had pulled those shenanigans, they'd be crying for impeachment and criminal charges.

I think if Perry was going to call for another special session he would have done it right away. Another session will only embarrass them further and draw the wrong kind of attention. The women of Texas are already riled up, they try to pass this again and there will be thousands of us filling the Capitol and grounds. We're ready to walk through walls if Wendy Davis asks us to.


From what I read in the thread last night, she's won in a district that's largely red.  Even with Republicans playing all sorts of dirty tricks during her campaigns.  So if, say, she wanted to run for Governor one day, she'd have that catche of being able to win in a red district.

That has to scare the holy hell out of TX and National Republicans.
 
2013-06-26 04:31:22 PM

flondrix: cendojr: Or they can put in Relief Senate President from the start and have him simply refuse to acknowledge the Democrats who want to speak. Almost worked last night.

Worked in Wisconsin recently.


I'd like to thank my home state of Wisconsin for forging ahead in these times of troubled shrinking Teaparty support by being the first to start breaking it's own rules, therefore making it AOK to by lying sneaking bastards. If it wasn't for them breaking thier own 24 hour postings of bills and budgets and trying to pass it in 4 hours instead, Teapublicans might actually have to listen to the "people" they rule over with Holy and Supreme might.

Thankfully, those libby libtards who left the state played thier ace in the hole too early, and now they know how to stop every trick in the book. Let the iron-fisted rule of the Teaparty begin a new era of Derp and Money for the rich.
 
2013-06-26 04:34:27 PM

AppleOptionEsc: flondrix: cendojr: Or they can put in Relief Senate President from the start and have him simply refuse to acknowledge the Democrats who want to speak. Almost worked last night.

Worked in Wisconsin recently.

I'd like to thank my home state of Wisconsin for forging ahead in these times of troubled shrinking Teaparty support by being the first to start breaking it's own rules, therefore making it AOK to by lying sneaking bastards. If it wasn't for them breaking thier own 24 hour postings of bills and budgets and trying to pass it in 4 hours instead, Teapublicans might actually have to listen to the "people" they rule over with Holy and Supreme might.

Thankfully, those libby libtards who left the state played thier ace in the hole too early, and now they know how to stop every trick in the book. Let the iron-fisted rule of the Teaparty begin a new era of Derp and Money for the rich.


I'll say this to my fellow Dems in Wisconsin:  The next chance you get to oust Republicans, don't hesitate.  Be more coldhearted than them; be so coldhearted that they'll realize they've done stirred up a hornets' nest and the only thing they can do is pray it doesn't kill them.
 
2013-06-26 04:34:35 PM
Since governor goodhair can call for special sessions until the bill passes, it's kind of undead. Think of the parrot sketch, but horrible and depressing.
 
2013-06-26 04:38:31 PM

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Bureaucracy - Sometimes it works biatches!!!


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2013-06-26 04:40:25 PM
max_pooper
but would expend a lot of political capital to do so

So, no actual reason.


Phins
They know this law is unconstitutional and will be thrown out in court.

Then why work so hard to stop it?
 
2013-06-26 04:42:40 PM
Rwa2play
I'll say this to my fellow Dems in Wisconsin: The next chance you get to oust Republicans, don't hesitate.

That would be last November. Instead, the priority was put on giving Obama another handful of electoral votes that he didn't need, because a color on a map is apparently more important than an actual state.
 
2013-06-26 04:49:35 PM

RanDomino: max_pooper
but would expend a lot of political capital to do so

So, no actual reason.


Phins
They know this law is unconstitutional and will be thrown out in court.

Then why work so hard to stop it?


The GOP wants it so that they can take it to the SC and challenge Roe v. Wade while the court is weighted heavily with aholes.
 
2013-06-26 04:54:57 PM

RanDomino: Rwa2play
I'll say this to my fellow Dems in Wisconsin: The next chance you get to oust Republicans, don't hesitate.

That would be last November. Instead, the priority was put on giving Obama another handful of electoral votes that he didn't need, because a color on a map is apparently more important than an actual state.


Really?  You do realize that just voting down the line is real easy to do right?
 
2013-06-26 05:05:03 PM

AppleOptionEsc: flondrix: cendojr: Or they can put in Relief Senate President from the start and have him simply refuse to acknowledge the Democrats who want to speak. Almost worked last night.

Worked in Wisconsin recently.

I'd like to thank my home state of Wisconsin for forging ahead in these times of troubled shrinking Teaparty support by being the first to start breaking it's own rules, therefore making it AOK to by lying sneaking bastards. If it wasn't for them breaking thier own 24 hour postings of bills and budgets and trying to pass it in 4 hours instead, Teapublicans might actually have to listen to the "people" they rule over with Holy and Supreme might.

Thankfully, those libby libtards who left the state played thier ace in the hole too early, and now they know how to stop every trick in the book. Let the iron-fisted rule of the Teaparty begin a new era of Derp and Money for the rich.


Not to take anything away from Wisconsin, but it was Congress that was really on the cutting edge in this regard. Remember the vote - I think it might have been Medicare Part D - when voting was kept open well past the time provided by rule so that Republicans who had gone off the reservation could be strong armed into voting the "right" way?
 
2013-06-26 05:11:32 PM

Soup4Bonnie: I don't disagree. It could happen. I do think this is Texas and the Republican base will actually support their efforts last night so you bet we're in for another round yeehaw even if nobody is buying their "protect the health of women" crap.


On the other hand, this is a perfect outcome for the Repubs--they can blame this failure on the liberals, and yet still have abortion clinics in-state for when their daughters and/or mistresses get knocked up.

See: The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion by Joyce Arthur

"I've had several cases over the years in which the anti-abortion patient had rationalized in one way or another that her case was the only exception, but the one that really made an impression was the college senior who was the president of her campus Right-to-Life organization, meaning that she had worked very hard in that organization for several years. As I was completing her procedure, I asked what she planned to do about her high office in the RTL organization. Her response was a wide-eyed, 'You're not going to tell them, are you!?' When assured that I was not, she breathed a sigh of relief, explaining how important that position was to her and how she wouldn't want this to interfere with it."
 
2013-06-26 05:22:03 PM

sdd2000: I am wondering if charges could be brought on the changed time records under Texas law?


Won't do much good, Gov. Goodhair defunded the Public Integrity Unit.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/state-politics/20130620-hous e- members-explore-overturning-perry-veto-of-funding-for-travis-county-pu blic-integrity-unit.ece
 
2013-06-26 05:30:20 PM
So Rick just called another special session..sometimes I hate my state...
 
2013-06-26 05:31:18 PM
As expected, Rick Perry just called them back to session to try again. Well at least it will fark up their summer vacations.
 
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