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(NYPost)   That clever JFK heist of $1.2 million probably consisted of ramming a crate with a forklift... and leaving behind $91.8 million   (nypost.com) divider line 18
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2013-06-26 02:25:55 PM
4 votes:
You take what you can carry in the time you have to grab it.
2013-06-26 03:29:22 PM
2 votes:
cdn.mos.totalfilm.com
the Deal's the Deal - you can't change the terms of the deal.  Never look at the package.
2013-06-26 03:05:46 PM
2 votes:

brantgoose: hubiestubert: Hey, taking the whole thing would have been greedy, and you have to admire their restraint...

Very true. Pretty much what I was going to say.

What a lot of amateur or unsuccessful crooks do is lose control. They try to steal the change as well as the banknotes. They see something much bigger and better and get distracted. And thus they get caught because they don't stick to the script:  Quick in, out, with the loot you went to get and nothing but the loot you went to get.

That's how supermarkets and shopping malls get you: they've got too damn much stuff. It's like a monkey paw trap--you can grab but you can't escape with what you grab because the jar opening is smaller than your fist full of loot.

$1.2 million is still a pretty good day's work. If you have to leave behind $90 million or so, tough luck. You can fit $1.2 milllion in a briefcase, but $90 million would take several wheelbarrows.

It may have been stupidity, it may have been discipline, but they got away with enough loot, and that is the main thing if you are planning a big heist.

Entire corporations crash and burn because they try to do too much, to expand too fast. It's one of the commonest errors in business. You have to know how to be the right size. A mouse can not be scaled  up to elephant size, and an elephant can not be scaled down to mouse size. They each have their own "right size" and constraints quickly change the rules of the game as volume, surface area, weight, food requirements, temperature, etc., follow different rules of scaling.


In my career as a chef, I've worked at a few mobbed up joints. The pay is always good, it is always on time, there are some perks with booze and food, so long as you keep your trap shut, and you don't mind that your half your staff are out on parole--which, in fairness, in this business is not just a feature of mobbed up joints, but pretty a fair chunk of your staff even at a really nice joint are going to have had brushes with the law, since cooks are not exactly paragons of restraint and virtue. You learn a few things, beyond the virtue of silence and keeping your nose out of folks' business, and one of those is a crash course in some elementary bookkeeping practices that aren't taught in most business schools. Another is learning some basic cons and grifts that pretty much are just done, because folks can. The thing is, not to get too extravagant. Too showy, and that brings heat. That brings attention. Even if your boss has the DA in his pocket, and the health inspector never makes it to the kitchen, you don't see the successful mobbed up joints ever really going all out to attract attention. At least not unless you're in Vegas or Atlantic City, and even then, there is a paper trail a mile long to justify that income.

Worked for a guy in Springfield. Not a big player in the area, but he laundered a LOT of cash through the restaurant. He had a decent business to justify it, and watched him write up checks to dump money into the till. Not a computerized system, it was all paper based, and it was a pain to deal with, and a pain to deal with because it was harder to parse, to collate, and the paper trail was solid. Cash went in, stuff got bought from guys who wanted their money back. Rent was paid. Heck, he even expanded when the guy across the street got into some of his buddies for a decent chunk of change because he was really bad at cards and bets. Guy took his business over, quietly, and used it under the owner's name to get a bigger line of credit, to buy up a lot of equipment, to host some poker games, to entertain in his upstairs club, and pretty much cored the whole thing out to cover the debt, and keep his hands clean while he did it.

Discipline is something that guys who are running successfully in that gray area in the law, and certainly necessary for the guys who are just plain crooks. My boss worked very long hours, to make sure that the trails all made sense. He drank, he juggled his wife and his girlfriends, certainly, but there was order to it. Organized crime is about making sure that bills get paid, that who gets paid is very clear, and favors are traded to the right folks, at the right time, and everyone's debts and obligations are well known to the right folks so that chaos doesn't ensue.

I don't work in mobbed up joints often--there are some downsides afterall--but when I do, they're always educational. Not sure I have the nerve to run a drug business out of a restaurant, and I don't have the connections or clout to launder money, and even if I had the cash, laundering brings its own difficulties, and that is best left to the professionals, but it's always good to observe and understand the skill sets. Just in case...
2013-06-26 02:30:45 PM
2 votes:
26lbs of money.  Probably the most weight a single thief could comfortably carry without looking suspicious.
2013-06-26 03:42:26 PM
1 votes:
Stick it in a safe deposit box and pull out a couple grand or so as you need it.  Don't get flashy, Live debt free forever.
2013-06-26 03:30:37 PM
1 votes:

majestic


Forks. That's what they are called.


Well, yeah. The tone of my post was meant to be facetious, as was the use of the oversimplified "pointy-dealy" (think Homer Simpson) - but thanks anyway.
2013-06-26 03:21:46 PM
1 votes:
If you have a crate, with 90+ million dollars, and no security. Then you deserve to loose every penny
2013-06-26 03:08:44 PM
1 votes:
 "Whenever we needed money, we'd rob the airport.  To us, it was better than Citibank".

[cue soundtrack by The Chantels]
2013-06-26 03:06:44 PM
1 votes:

Guelph35


If he rammed the crate with a forklift, wouldn't there be two holes? Or do they have some new fork lifts with a single umm.. tine?


That's a good point. There is absolutely no way the forklift could have hit the crate at an angle or in such a way that only one pointy-dealy would have made an impact, like if the driver tried to go around the crate and missed.

:-|
2013-06-26 03:00:55 PM
1 votes:
It's funny... if my corporation had its own private jet (and all the big banks do, I'm sure) and I needed to move 100 million dollars, I wouldn't be sending it on a commercial airliner. That just seems to be asking for trouble.

Load it on the Gulfstream with an armed guard or two, and skip all the airport workers who have to handle it.
2013-06-26 02:56:18 PM
1 votes:

jshine: Ramming a crate with a forklift?  Simple plans are the best plans, I suppose.


Especially when they come together.

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2013-06-26 02:55:39 PM
1 votes:
Forklift operator accidentally rammed crate.
Figured, "Fark it, I'm fired anyway" and grabbed retirement cash.
Turned crate to conceal hole.

The end.
2013-06-26 02:55:01 PM
1 votes:
Monsters! That money belongs to the banks!
2013-06-26 02:46:12 PM
1 votes:

hubiestubert: Hey, taking the whole thing would have been greedy, and you have to admire their restraint...


Very true. Pretty much what I was going to say.

What a lot of amateur or unsuccessful crooks do is lose control. They try to steal the change as well as the banknotes. They see something much bigger and better and get distracted. And thus they get caught because they don't stick to the script:  Quick in, out, with the loot you went to get and nothing but the loot you went to get.

That's how supermarkets and shopping malls get you: they've got too damn much stuff. It's like a monkey paw trap--you can grab but you can't escape with what you grab because the jar opening is smaller than your fist full of loot.

$1.2 million is still a pretty good day's work. If you have to leave behind $90 million or so, tough luck. You can fit $1.2 milllion in a briefcase, but $90 million would take several wheelbarrows.

It may have been stupidity, it may have been discipline, but they got away with enough loot, and that is the main thing if you are planning a big heist.

Entire corporations crash and burn because they try to do too much, to expand too fast. It's one of the commonest errors in business. You have to know how to be the right size. A mouse can not be scaled  up to elephant size, and an elephant can not be scaled down to mouse size. They each have their own "right size" and constraints quickly change the rules of the game as volume, surface area, weight, food requirements, temperature, etc., follow different rules of scaling.
2013-06-26 02:35:57 PM
1 votes:

Tom_Slick: Jake Havechek: Jimmy "The Gent" Burke would have been pissed.  Then he would have killed you.

johnny_vegas: [1000words1000days.com image 300x168]

Solid State Vittles: Hopefully Stacks doesn't get stoned and go to his girlfriend's before taking care of the truck.

abhorrent1: JIIIIIMMMYYY

steklo: The right thing to do is to give "Paulie" a cut.

I see I'm not needed here, and I put that Cadillac in my mother's name.


Well, we know this guy didn't drive the forklift.

images4.wikia.nocookie.net

/not because he had to go get the papers, get the papers
/because if he had driven the forklift, there would have been two holes, been two holes
2013-06-26 02:35:45 PM
1 votes:
I can't read this story without a song going through my head.

i3.ytimg.com

".....they tried to steal it with a forkift......"
2013-06-26 02:27:21 PM
1 votes:
He had a forklift, for Christ's sake. Stick the thing under the end without the hole and lift. Money will pour out. Come on!
2013-06-26 01:13:04 PM
1 votes:
Hey, taking the whole thing would have been greedy, and you have to admire their restraint...
 
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