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(Mother Jones)   The new emerging evil empire in US politics: Tech giants from Silicon Valley   (motherjones.com) divider line 32
    More: Obvious, Silicon Valley, United States, Google, global energy, online mapping, witch doctors, Mapquest, Sean Parker  
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1882 clicks; posted to Geek » on 26 Jun 2013 at 11:17 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2013-06-26 10:04:23 AM  
"What do the US government and Silicon Valley in common? Above all, they want to remain opaque while making the rest of us entirely transparent"

Pretty much sums it up, and it is indeed scary.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-26 10:48:02 AM  
That's nothing new.  They have been tracking people as much as they possibly can since there has been a WWW.  They sell the data they get on you to each other too.
 
2013-06-26 11:19:14 AM  
Meh, we told you about this in the 80s.
 
2013-06-26 11:31:54 AM  

vpb: That's nothing new.  They have been tracking people as much as they possibly can since there has been a WWW.  They sell the data they get on you to each other too.


Quelle surprise!

Next thing you'll tell me is that if I drive down the street, a government agent can follow behind me and check where I go.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-26 11:33:27 AM  

Obama's Reptiloid Master: vpb: That's nothing new.  They have been tracking people as much as they possibly can since there has been a WWW.  They sell the data they get on you to each other too.

Quelle surprise!

Next thing you'll tell me is that if I drive down the street, a government agent can follow behind me and check where I go.


They have to be blindfolded when they drive unless they have a warrant, but you know they peak.
 
2013-06-26 11:35:15 AM  
i.imgur.com

Support open source.
 
2013-06-26 11:36:37 AM  
Rowdy Roddy Piper will save us.
 
2013-06-26 11:38:56 AM  

vpb: Obama's Reptiloid Master: vpb: That's nothing new.  They have been tracking people as much as they possibly can since there has been a WWW.  They sell the data they get on you to each other too.

Quelle surprise!

Next thing you'll tell me is that if I drive down the street, a government agent can follow behind me and check where I go.

They have to be blindfolded when they drive unless they have a warrant, but you know they peak.


Those bastards! And after Thomas Jefferson wrote of a wall of separation between sight and sound!
 
2013-06-26 11:45:51 AM  
"Giant corporations" are a NEW evil?
 
2013-06-26 11:47:34 AM  
You know, like Tyrell Industries, Cyberdyne, the manufacturers of Sky Net.
 
2013-06-26 11:49:38 AM  
Weyland-Yutani
 
2013-06-26 11:50:21 AM  
This isn't new so who cares about it, same with pollution, slavery, war, corruption... I know everytime I read a story about one of those topics I'm like ohh thanks for the out of date info old news is so exciting.
 
2013-06-26 11:55:39 AM  
Seems like I picked the wrong (or right?) time to consider a move.
 
2013-06-26 11:58:55 AM  
Imagine that it's 1913 and the post office, the phone company, the public library, printing houses, the US Geological Survey mapping operations, movie houses, and all atlases are largely controlled by a secretive corporation unaccountable to the public. Jump a century and see that in the online world that's more or less where we are.

That sure sounds like a Corporate 1984!  But is it true?
Post office: Google doesn't have a monopoly on email nor does it require anyone to use Gmail (unlike the actual post office, through which all non-urgent mail is legally required to travel). 
Phone company:
Skype is owned by Microsoft.  Does Google even have a VOIP service?
Public library: Giving Google publishing rights to all books was a dumb idea and rightly blocked.
Printing houses: Google search is more of a wholesale distribution company than a printing house, and still it doesn't have a monopoly.  Hi Bing!  (Bye, Yahoo!)
US Geological Survey: You mean that public agency that still exists and does its job despite the existence of Google Maps?
Movie houses: Honestly having a hard time figuring out how Google is abusing Youtube.
All atlases: Because Google put Mapquest and Bing Maps out of business?

Color me not impressed by the article's arguments.
 
2013-06-26 12:14:31 PM  
Brought to you by Carl's Jr!
 
2013-06-26 12:14:46 PM  
Largely just another anti-gentrification article.  Cities change and you aren't afforded any special right to demand they don't because of your age or the virtue of your poverty.
 
2013-06-26 12:22:55 PM  
Tech companies are evil and are teaming up with the NSA to spy on you! Now let me tell you how they're totally ruining my city what with living there and having different values than me. They're not even into  art, goddamn it. And look, you can buy my book!

Also, laughed a bit when she complained that Spotify/Napster/etc. were forcing musicians into the middle class. Heaven's no, not having to  budget things! Think of the musicians!
 
2013-06-26 12:31:47 PM  

ps69: Largely just another anti-gentrification article.  Cities change and you aren't afforded any special right to demand they don't because of your age or the virtue of your poverty.


Pretty much.

This would be much less of an issue if San Francisco would back down on their anti-development stance in general and rent control in particular.  The residents complain about all of the new development being luxury condos, but that is largely because the rent control rules make it utterly insane and unprofitable to for anyone to build new rental units or improve the existing stock.  In one of the richest cities on the planet, there are highly desirable rental units where you can't run your hair dryer while the TV is on because there is zero incentive for landlords to improve their existing properties much less build new ones.

But, rather than improve the situation by building more, the typical SFer just screams "oh noes!  these dirty people from the valley are outbidding me!" and acts like a close-minded dick.
 
2013-06-26 12:43:34 PM  
So, the companies that figured out how to monetize your "data" are being called evil for sharing that same "data" with the people charged with national security?
 
2013-06-26 12:59:06 PM  
BE AFRAID!

BUY OUR MAGAZINE!
 
2013-06-26 01:23:24 PM  
As opposed to the current evil empires - NY finance and defense contractors - who currently control the US.  So?
 
2013-06-26 02:31:29 PM  

OptionC: ps69: Largely just another anti-gentrification article.  Cities change and you aren't afforded any special right to demand they don't because of your age or the virtue of your poverty.

Pretty much.

This would be much less of an issue if San Francisco would back down on their anti-development stance in general and rent control in particular.  The residents complain about all of the new development being luxury condos, but that is largely because the rent control rules make it utterly insane and unprofitable to for anyone to build new rental units or improve the existing stock.  In one of the richest cities on the planet, there are highly desirable rental units where you can't run your hair dryer while the TV is on because there is zero incentive for landlords to improve their existing properties much less build new ones.

But, rather than improve the situation by building more, the typical SFer just screams "oh noes!  these dirty people from the valley are outbidding me!" and acts like a close-minded dick.


To this, I'd also add:

The author does get that those filthy corporate buses are pulling literally hundreds or thousands of cars off the city streets and the broken (Traffic usually runs until 7:30-8:00 at night, and it'd be worse except engineers work odd hours) road network, right?

Because Mass transit in the Valley sucks and (more importantly) doesn't go anywhere NEAR the big corporate campuses (You know, the ones that employ hundreds of thousands of rich people who can afford cars and aren't willing to sit in puddles of urine on the bus while taking even longer to get to work), and so those buses are pulling cars off the road.  You know, those evil, evil cars that everyone here despises (even as you make it basically impossible to get from the Valley to parts of SF that aren't 3 blocks from Caltrain in a reasonable time frame by any other way (Repeat for East Bay and BART))

/Also, while we're in an SF thread, can anyone explain why the Sunol Grade is a giant mess of traffic?  It makes no sense for the only road (and no matching mass transit) over a major pass to be a giant farked-up mess.  I get that roads are evil, but you'd think that adding an hour onto everyone's commute home while refusing to provide alternatives would also be evil.  Are they really making that much money off HOT lanes?
 
2013-06-26 02:39:00 PM  

Jaymark108: Phone company: Skype is owned by Microsoft. Does Google even have a VOIP service?


Google Voice (http://www.google.com/voice)

I also believe Gmail chat offers some kind of voice and video communications now, but not 100% sure about that.
 
2013-06-26 03:09:40 PM  
An investment in politicians can pay out far more than an investment in any company.
 
2013-06-26 04:41:24 PM  

uber humper: [i.imgur.com image 450x450]

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... you mean like Android?
 
2013-06-26 04:44:01 PM  

meyerkev: Because Mass transit in the Valley sucks and (more importantly) doesn't go anywhere NEAR the big corporate campuses (You know, the ones that employ hundreds of thousands of rich people who can afford cars and aren't willing to sit in puddles of urine on the bus while taking even longer to get to work), and so those buses are pulling cars off the road. You know, those evil, evil cars that everyone here despises (even as you make it basically impossible to get from the Valley to parts of SF that aren't 3 blocks from Caltrain in a reasonable time frame by any other way (Repeat for East Bay and BART))


Link

Mass transit != public mass transit.
 
2013-06-26 05:21:05 PM  

ProfessorOhki: meyerkev: Because Mass transit in the Valley sucks and (more importantly) doesn't go anywhere NEAR the big corporate campuses (You know, the ones that employ hundreds of thousands of rich people who can afford cars and aren't willing to sit in puddles of urine on the bus while taking even longer to get to work), and so those buses are pulling cars off the road. You know, those evil, evil cars that everyone here despises (even as you make it basically impossible to get from the Valley to parts of SF that aren't 3 blocks from Caltrain in a reasonable time frame by any other way (Repeat for East Bay and BART))

Link

Mass transit != public mass transit.


Yeah, but if you read the article, one of the things the author is saying is that the corporate bus lines (which you pointed out) are evil and should be stopped because Wharrbgl.

And I'm saying that she's an idiot, because if given a choice between the non-functional (as least as far as getting to Google or Facebook go) rest of mass transit, or driving, they'll drive.  And then the already broken road network will make the 405 look like a good road, because they'll have added tens of thousands of cars to roads that are already crowded until 7 or 8 at night.

/Though that might not be a bad thing, since they'd have to either make transit functional (IE: Mountain View to Palo Alto should take less than an hour by bus and Caltrain should come more than once an hour to certain stops), or finally add some of the extra lanes/roads the area could really use and (in certain cases) has been planning for decades to be stopped by local opposition.
 
2013-06-26 05:50:20 PM  
This is a repeat of 2006....
/or 8, somewhere the "Boom" started to happen...
 
2013-06-26 06:27:00 PM  

meyerkev: Yeah, but if you read the article, one of the things the author is saying is that the corporate bus lines (which you pointed out) are evil and should be stopped because Wharrbgl.

And I'm saying that she's an idiot, because if given a choice between the non-functional (as least as far as getting to Google or Facebook go) rest of mass transit, or driving, they'll drive. And then the already broken road network will make the 405 look like a good road, because they'll have added tens of thousands of cars to roads that are already crowded until 7 or 8 at night.

/Though that might not be a bad thing, since they'd have to either make transit functional (IE: Mountain View to Palo Alto should take less than an hour by bus and Caltrain should come more than once an hour to certain stops), or finally add some of the extra lanes/roads the area could really use and (in certain cases) has been planning for decades to be stopped by local opposition.


Oh, I agree they're an idiot. I just didn't want to post the image alone because it was too large. Unfortunately, I doubt your slashie. The idea of, "if it sucks enough, they'll HAVE to fix it," rarely holds in my experience.
 
2013-06-26 06:42:58 PM  
This author reads like how South Park lampooned San Fran people.
 
2013-06-26 07:33:27 PM  
The Techies are making sure they produce things in countries where they do not care what kind of pollution they cause for your superficial electro-bling. They bribe just like Wal-Mart does in Mexico to ensure they can maximize their profits while not caring at all, just like you, who they kill in the process.

When the Supreme Court rules it is legal to use lethal Defensive Force against the people and companies that pump poisons into our water, air, and food....that will be a historic day.
 
2013-06-27 10:30:36 PM  
wow...not even one compromised geek whispers . . .

I should work on my social skills
 
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