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(Austin Statesman)   "'In Texas, we value all life," Gov. Perry said on the eve of the Texas' 500th execution   (statesman.com) divider line 417
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2013-06-26 10:07:20 AM  

If you choose to kill, you consent to the consequences of your choices.


McCarthy, convicted of killing a 71-year-old neighbor during a robbery in 1997

McCarthy, 52, was condemned for using a butcher knife and candelabra to beat and fatally stab retired college professor Dorothy Booth at the victim's Lancaster home. Evidence showed the former nursing home therapist used the knife to sever Booth's finger to steal her wedding ring.

McCarthy, who is linked to two other slayings, already has had her execution date pushed back twice this year..

 
2013-06-26 10:12:37 AM  

EnviroDude: If you choose to kill, you consent to the consequences of your choices.


Does that also apply to the Texas government?
 
2013-06-26 10:22:13 AM  
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2013-06-26 10:40:48 AM  
You can value all life at the same time as understanding some people need killing
 
2013-06-26 10:41:50 AM  

clancifer: EnviroDude: If you choose to kill, you consent to the consequences of your choices.

Does that also apply to the Texas government?


Of course not, silly.  Government is infallible when it comes to executing its citizens.
 
2013-06-26 10:42:28 AM  

clancifer: EnviroDude: If you choose to kill, you consent to the consequences of your choices.

Does that also apply to the Texas government?




Well I would think history shows us that politicians are above the law. So probably not.

Chappaquiddick comes to mind

// there are probably hundreds more
 
2013-06-26 10:45:01 AM  
The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary. Like many other aspects of American law, it has NO place in a civilized country.
 
2013-06-26 10:45:25 AM  
Chappaquiddick comes to mind

It always comes back to that with you dickheads, doesn't it.
 
2013-06-26 10:45:41 AM  

EnviroDude: If you choose to kill, you consent to the consequences of your choices.
McCarthy, convicted of killing a 71-year-old neighbor during a robbery in 1997McCarthy, 52, was condemned for using a butcher knife and candelabra to beat and fatally stab retired college professor Dorothy Booth at the victim's Lancaster home. Evidence showed the former nursing home therapist used the knife to sever Booth's finger to steal her wedding ring.McCarthy, who is linked to two other slayings, already has had her execution date pushed back twice this year..


How did Cameron Todd Willingham consent?
 
2013-06-26 10:46:03 AM  

EnviroDude: clancifer: EnviroDude: If you choose to kill, you consent to the consequences of your choices.

Does that also apply to the Texas government?

Well I would think history shows us that politicians are above the law. So probably not.

Chappaquiddick comes to mind

// there are probably hundreds more


You don't have to be a politician.  Just be filthy rich.  Being white helps too.  And if you decide not to be rich and white in our society, after seeing all the benefits it conveys, well then there's no help for you.
 
2013-06-26 10:46:14 AM  
Only 500?
Many more than that should die.
 
2013-06-26 10:47:00 AM  
I'm just thankful I'm not christian so I don't have to live with this kind of cognitive dissonance.
 
2013-06-26 10:47:01 AM  
That's better than the mouth-breathing state senator who suggested the protesters in the galley and capital rotunda were "terrorists".
 
2013-06-26 10:47:09 AM  

LordJiro: The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary. Like many other aspects of American law, it has NO place in a civilized country.


this
 
2013-06-26 10:47:42 AM  

EnviroDude: clancifer: EnviroDude: If you choose to kill, you consent to the consequences of your choices.

Does that also apply to the Texas government?

Well I would think history shows us that politicians are above the law. So probably not.

Chappaquiddick comes to mind

// there are probably hundreds more


What really comes to mind is every damn post you write is a friggin abortion.  When are they going to shut down your clinic!?
 
2013-06-26 10:47:49 AM  

Jake Havechek: Chappaquiddick comes to mind

It always comes back to that with you dickheads, doesn't it.


Funny how it's okay for Conservatives to keep bringing back something from several decades ago, but anything more recent that makes one of them look bad is forbidden.
 
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2013-06-26 10:47:57 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: You can value all life at the same time as understanding some people need killing


I think Jesus said that...
 
2013-06-26 10:48:12 AM  

LordJiro: The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary. Like many other aspects of American law, it has NO place in a civilized country.


THIS THIS THIS
 
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2013-06-26 10:48:38 AM  

Newbaca: I'm just thankful I'm not christian so I don't have to live with this kind of cognitive dissonance.


I think Jesus said that.
 
2013-06-26 10:49:35 AM  

Inquisitive Inquisitor: That's better than the mouth-breathing state senator who suggested the protesters in the galley and capital rotunda were "terrorists".


But it IS terrorism if you go against the wishes of the State, citizen!
 
2013-06-26 10:50:20 AM  

Newbaca


I'm just thankful I'm not christian so I don't have to live with this kind of cognitive dissonance.

No, you're instead part of the loony left who shouts "kill him" whenever a conservative does something you dislike... like breaths.
 
2013-06-26 10:52:00 AM  

LordJiro: The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary.


As opposed to lengthy incarcerations....

Right...

Sometimes it's best to just rip that plaster off. If you take a life, yours is forfeit. Simple. Clean. Quick. So long and don't let the door hit your miserable corpse on the way out.
 
2013-06-26 10:52:14 AM  

Newbaca: I'm just thankful I'm not christian so I don't have to live with this kind of cognitive dissonance.


What? Jesus was okay with the death penalty. Without it, there would be no Christianity!
 
2013-06-26 10:52:30 AM  

Jake Havechek: Chappaquiddick comes to mind

It always comes back to that with you dickheads, doesn't it.


No, he got his comeuppance. It's over.
 
2013-06-26 10:53:46 AM  
People STILL don't comprehend the difference between innocent life and convicted murderer life?  Really?
 
2013-06-26 10:54:19 AM  
i'm making a small, private bet with myself about how this thread will go...
 
2013-06-26 10:54:24 AM  
Look, Texans want blood for the blood god?  Who cares if evidence shows that the death penalty increases murder rate?  They need their executions.  It's part of their cultural heritage, killing people, in as cold blood as they can get it.  Who cares if there's enormous bias in killing minorities over whites?  That's what minorities are for!

Now fetuses, they deserve every chance at a terrible life with parents who don't care about them.  After all, we need criminals to execute in the future!
 
2013-06-26 10:54:50 AM  
Either you believe life is precious or you don't.

Any christian that supports the death penalty is a hypocrite and can be ignored.
 
2013-06-26 10:55:09 AM  
I think the one thing we can all agree on is that Rick Perry is a scumbag of the highest order.

Beyond that, I got nothing.
 
2013-06-26 10:55:57 AM  
Latinwolf [TotalFark]

Funny how it's okay for Conservatives to keep bringing back something from several decades ago, but anything more recent that makes one of them look bad is forbidden.

Funny how it's okay for liberals to continue to rant about Reagan (Many decades ago), but anything bought up from the Clinton years (far more recent) is forbidden.

Hypocrite much?
 
2013-06-26 10:56:34 AM  

LordJiro: The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary. Like many other aspects of American law, it has NO place in a civilized country.


The New Yorker had an absolutely brilliant investigative report a few years back how even in a case where there seems to be near 100% certainty that someone is guilty of committing a horrific murder, the whole case can easily be pulled apart (or at least reveal that there is enough "reasonable doubt" not to convict).

Anyone who believes in the death penalty should read it.
 
2013-06-26 10:56:43 AM  
"In Texas, we value all life*," Gov. Perry said.

*except young black male life

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2013-06-26 10:56:50 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: LordJiro: The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary.

As opposed to lengthy incarcerations....

Right...

Sometimes it's best to just rip that plaster off. If you take a life, yours is forfeit. Simple. Clean. Quick. So long and don't let the door hit your miserable corpse on the way out.


Life in prison is actually cheaper than the death penalty. Unless you remove all the appeals and such things needed to avoid killing an innocent man.

The death penalty is nothing more than state-sponsored revenge. And that, again, has no place in an allegedly civilized society.
 
2013-06-26 10:57:10 AM  

EnviroDude: If you choose to kill, you consent to the consequences of your choices.


Does that apply to our social and governmental institutions also?

nulluspixiusdemonica: Sometimes it's best to just rip that plaster off. If you take a life, yours is forfeit. Simple. Clean. Quick.


So if I successfully defend myself from a lethal attack, I will be killed anyway?
 
2013-06-26 10:57:54 AM  

LordJiro: The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary. Like many other aspects of American law, it has NO place in a civilized country.


Think of it as an extremely late term abortion.
 
2013-06-26 10:58:29 AM  
All legitimate justice systems must include the possibility of execution.
There are some people that just need killin'
If execution is not on the menu then it isn't a real justice system.
 
2013-06-26 10:58:29 AM  
Fark you subby!biatch needs to die.
 
2013-06-26 10:58:39 AM  
I will accept the notion that some people deserve to die. What I cannot accept is the notion that any of us are qualified to determine who deserves to die.
 
2013-06-26 10:59:06 AM  

OnlyM3: Latinwolf [TotalFark]

Funny how it's okay for Conservatives to keep bringing back something from several decades ago, but anything more recent that makes one of them look bad is forbidden.
Funny how it's okay for liberals to continue to rant about Reagan (Many decades ago), but anything bought up from the Clinton years (far more recent) is forbidden.

Hypocrite much?


What? The Clinton years were great. We bring those up to shiat all over Bush.

Would you like to talk about Bush? Of course you wouldn't.
 
2013-06-26 10:59:24 AM  

OnlyM3: Funny how it's okay for liberals to continue to rant about Reagan (Many decades ago), but anything bought up from the Clinton years (far more recent) is forbidden.


We're talking oodles about Clinton-era DOMA nonsense... so I don't really see your point.

LordJiro: The death penalty is nothing more than state-sponsored revenge. And that, again, has no place in an allegedly civilized society.


We could say that lifetime imprisonment with no chance of parole is also "state-sponsored revenge."  Like the death penalty, all pretense at rehabilitation is eliminated entirely.
 
2013-06-26 10:59:29 AM  

EnviroDude: If you choose to kill, you consent to the consequences of your choices.
McCarthy, convicted of killing a 71-year-old neighbor during a robbery in 1997McCarthy, 52, was condemned for using a butcher knife and candelabra to beat and fatally stab retired college professor Dorothy Booth at the victim's Lancaster home. Evidence showed the former nursing home therapist used the knife to sever Booth's finger to steal her wedding ring.McCarthy, who is linked to two other slayings, already has had her execution date pushed back twice this year..


Yeah, the anti-death penalty crowd may want to pick a better poster child than this one.  Defending someone who beat a grandmother to death to cut her wedding ring from her finger is not gonna turn out well.
 
2013-06-26 11:00:17 AM  

nulluspixiusdemonica: LordJiro: The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary.

As opposed to lengthy incarcerations....

Right...

Sometimes it's best to just rip that plaster off. If you take a life, yours is forfeit. Simple. Clean. Quick. So long and don't let the door hit your miserable corpse on the way out.


And, in a system where we hand out life sentences for jaywalking, maybe all of the hand-wringing over the occasional execution is a bit misplaced...
 
2013-06-26 11:01:52 AM  

LordJiro: The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary. Like many other aspects of American law, it has NO place in a civilized country.


But abortion's A-OK.
 
2013-06-26 11:02:29 AM  

LordJiro: The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary. Like many other aspects of American law, it has NO place in a civilized country.


It is not barbaric according to my definition.  My definition is just as good  (if not better than) your definition.  This is just a matter of opinion.

It is expensive because opponents of the death penalty have decided that making it expensive is a good tactic to remove it, therefore, they use as many delaying tactics to increase the expense of it.   Remove the delaying tactics (and not the appeals process, so don't try to conflate delays and necessary appeals as one in the same) and cost of death penalty goes way down.

How is it unnecessary?  It serves the same purpose as life in prison without the extensive number of years of mental torture that solitary or total incarceration impose on a prisoner.  If you think being locked in a 5x9 foot cell 23 out 24 hours per day for the rest of your natural life with the possibility of being raped, beaten, or worse is somehow more humane, I think you may be kidding yourself about your sense of decency.

No place in a civilized society?  Sure it does.  The American public, a highly civilized society, has determined via popular vote and studied legal opinion that it has a place in our society.  Please tell me what qualifies your opinion above that of the American voting public, its elected representatives, and the court system of the US?
 
2013-06-26 11:02:50 AM  

EnviroDude: If you choose to kill, you consent to the consequences of your choices.
McCarthy, convicted of killing a 71-year-old neighbor during a robbery in 1997McCarthy, 52, was condemned for using a butcher knife and candelabra to beat and fatally stab retired college professor Dorothy Booth at the victim's Lancaster home. Evidence showed the former nursing home therapist used the knife to sever Booth's finger to steal her wedding ring.McCarthy, who is linked to two other slayings, already has had her execution date pushed back twice this year..


Weren't you worried about giving the government control over your medical care? But you're okay with the government determining if you have to die? Isn't that the ultimate medical question?

I love how conservatives railed against "death panels" when there are real, actual government-run death panels today.
 
2013-06-26 11:03:13 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Either you believe life is precious or you don't.

Any christian that supports the death penalty is a hypocrite and can be ignored.


So you're anti-abortion then?
 
2013-06-26 11:03:42 AM  

AngryDragon: EnviroDude: If you choose to kill, you consent to the consequences of your choices.
McCarthy, convicted of killing a 71-year-old neighbor during a robbery in 1997McCarthy, 52, was condemned for using a butcher knife and candelabra to beat and fatally stab retired college professor Dorothy Booth at the victim's Lancaster home. Evidence showed the former nursing home therapist used the knife to sever Booth's finger to steal her wedding ring.McCarthy, who is linked to two other slayings, already has had her execution date pushed back twice this year..

Yeah, the anti-death penalty crowd may want to pick a better poster child than this one.  Defending someone who beat a grandmother to death to cut her wedding ring from her finger is not gonna turn out well.


The problem is that so many people on death row that are minorities have been found innocent of their 'heinous crimes" by DNA evidence. Even if they confessed later it's shown that they were forced to sign.
 
2013-06-26 11:04:07 AM  

A Shambling Mound: I think the one thing we can all agree on is that Rick Perry is a scumbag of the highest order.

Beyond that, I got nothing.


We thought Dubya was stupid, but Perry makes him look like a genius.
 
2013-06-26 11:04:31 AM  

LordJiro: The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary. Like many other aspects of American law, it has NO place in a civilized country.


As long as we can kill preborn humans though right?


We all believe in killing people.  Its just when is the best time to kill them is what we argue about.

/honestly dont give a shiat so save yer prewritten rant.  Just love the hypocrisy.
 
2013-06-26 11:04:51 AM  

ThighsofGlory: LordJiro: The death penalty is barbaric, expensive, and unnecessary. Like many other aspects of American law, it has NO place in a civilized country.

But abortion's A-OK.


Yes, because they aren't remotely analogous. Any other dumbass statements?
 
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