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2013-06-26 10:29:27 AM
They're still going to support the B&W e-readers.  Which is great, because I love mine.
 
2013-06-26 10:47:57 AM
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2013-06-26 11:40:07 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: They're still going to support the B&W e-readers.  Which is great, because I love mine.


It's also good, because my mother and I have spent a couple hundred apiece on Nook books. I'm really afraid that B&N will expire and their digital assets get sold to Amazon or Microsoft or Google or Apple in the future. Maybe they will hang on for a few more years.
 
2013-06-26 11:47:26 AM
Still PO'd at B&N for shutting down Fictionwise.com.  You could buy magazines without DRM in multiple formats but now you're stuck with the Nook app or reader.
 
2013-06-26 11:47:34 AM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but in general aren't sales down on all mobile devices industry wide? Seems we're at or approaching market saturation here.
 
2013-06-26 12:02:12 PM
Who would have expected lagging sales of consumer electronics in the financial quarter that's as far from Christmas as temporally possible?
 
2013-06-26 12:02:58 PM

Crotchrocket Slim: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but in general aren't sales down on all mobile devices industry wide? Seems we're at or approaching market saturation here.


Very true...the things last forever. The only reason to upgrade is innovations like the Paperwhite.
 
2013-06-26 12:03:56 PM
We just bought a new one during the father's day sale.  I got my husband's old one.  We're fine with it.
 
2013-06-26 12:04:50 PM
Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.
 
2013-06-26 12:16:45 PM

Optimus Primate: Crotchrocket Slim: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but in general aren't sales down on all mobile devices industry wide? Seems we're at or approaching market saturation here.

Very true...the things last forever. The only reason to upgrade is innovations like the Paperwhite.


This I have a 1st gen Nook, and I don't see a reason to upgrade, and dare I say I find it easier to read than my Samsung tablet, especially outside.
 
2013-06-26 12:20:09 PM

Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.


Because you like the form factor of the device.  All the e-books on my wife's Nook are de-DRMed and backed up locally... mix of publisher sites, Kindle store, and Nook store.  No pirated books, btw.  At that point, it really doesn't matter much which device she's reading it on.
 
2013-06-26 12:25:36 PM

Rev. Skarekroe: They're still going to support the B&W e-readers.  Which is great, because I love mine.


That's all I want, is my SimpleTouch back(Broke a few months ago, using a heavy ass 7" backlit tablet as a replacement). I loved it. It was small, light, and I read books on it, that's all I wanted. I'd rather carry more devices as long as thing like my Nook were perfect for the use I bought them for. I don't want fancy shiat in my reader.

This is definitely good news.
 
2013-06-26 12:27:37 PM

Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.


Because my Nook is smaller and lighter. Because I'm NOT tying my digital library to them. Amazon is the one with a proprietary format. Epub. is pretty much universal. I also don't like Amazon themselves, and could happily go through life never giving them a single penny.
 
2013-06-26 12:28:50 PM

Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.


Nooks are easily rooted and all book files are easily de-DRMed. That's why I got mine, anyway.
 
2013-06-26 12:29:55 PM
They're making the right move by dumping the tablets and sticking with the eReader. I like my Nook simple touch the way it is, but my firesale Nook HD+ is running CM10.1. I'm sure there's some OEM out there that doesn't have it's own media side of the house that they could partner with.
 
2013-06-26 12:34:05 PM

Tom_Slick: Optimus Primate: Crotchrocket Slim: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but in general aren't sales down on all mobile devices industry wide? Seems we're at or approaching market saturation here.

Very true...the things last forever. The only reason to upgrade is innovations like the Paperwhite.

This I have a 1st gen Nook, and I don't see a reason to upgrade, and dare I say I find it easier to read than my Samsung tablet, especially outside.


I actually wish that they would update the Android version so I could use a different reader. The stock one is nice, but I really want one that sorts series titles correctly without having to alter the book title, as I do now. One of the Android readers will read that Metadata and use it correctly, but it won't run on the version of Android that the SimpleTouch uses. Otherwise, I wouldn't want to upgrade anything.
 
2013-06-26 12:36:42 PM

Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.


Actually a Nooks is less tied to its parent than the Kindle. If we're all being good little law abiding citizens, most legal content for the Kindle can only come from Amazon since much of it is tied up with DRM. On the other hand, the Nook can handle any store that uses Adobe's DRM which includes Google, Sony(I think) and others.

Of course if we assume we're taking the trivial step of removing DRM, then the hardware is a bit of a moot point, but for native formats, you're pretty much going to get ePubs anywhere out side of Amazon. Though with something like Calibre converting between the HTMLish ebook formats is pretty simple and works well. I've have content from Google, B&N and Amazon in my Calibre library and it all works great on my Nook. At the end of the day I went with the Nook because I like the UI of it better(at least since the touch based generation).
 
2013-06-26 12:39:39 PM

bsharitt: Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.

Actually a Nooks is less tied to its parent than the Kindle. If we're all being good little law abiding citizens, most legal content for the Kindle can only come from Amazon since much of it is tied up with DRM. On the other hand, the Nook can handle any store that uses Adobe's DRM which includes Google, Sony(I think) and others.

Of course if we assume we're taking the trivial step of removing DRM, then the hardware is a bit of a moot point, but for native formats, you're pretty much going to get ePubs anywhere out side of Amazon. Though with something like Calibre converting between the HTMLish ebook formats is pretty simple and works well. I've have content from Google, B&N and Amazon in my Calibre library and it all works great on my Nook. At the end of the day I went with the Nook because I like the UI of it better(at least since the touch based generation).


That's why when the time came to get a small tablet, I went straight with price and got an Azpen A701.

Completely unencumbered with any vendor.  Yes, it isn't fast (especially during the post boot checking for
update process if I haven't fired it up for a while), but it is tolerable and makes a very good ereader.
 
2013-06-26 12:46:20 PM
Unnamed electronics vendor?

With their record it's going to be RadioShack
 
2013-06-26 12:52:25 PM
I read lots of books using the Android Kindle app for my phone and tablet. A standalone reader isn't worth it if you've got a phone.
 
2013-06-26 12:54:13 PM

Optimus Primate: Crotchrocket Slim: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but in general aren't sales down on all mobile devices industry wide? Seems we're at or approaching market saturation here.

Very true...the things last forever. The only reason to upgrade is innovations like the Paperwhite.


This.  My wife still uses our Gen 1 and I have the simple touch.

I was going to update her a new simple touch with light for her birthday but it appears that the ST:L has a problem with the lighting screen (did at 1st production, not sure if it has been corrected) and I found out she prefered the Gen1 UI over my ST, so much for that.  I guess we will be using the Gen1 until it breaks.
 
2013-06-26 12:56:14 PM

Russ1642: I read lots of books using the Android Kindle app for my phone and tablet. A standalone reader isn't worth it if you've got a phone.


Sure it is. Battery life measured in weeks, and the ability to read in bright daylight.
 
2013-06-26 12:56:47 PM

Russ1642: I read lots of books using the Android Kindle app for my phone and tablet. A standalone reader isn't worth it if you've got a phone.


I have an iPod Touch 4G (same screen as the iPhone 4), and it just is a wee bit too small and not
proportioned correctly for me to read anything on it.  I much prefer a lower resolution, larger screen that is
closer to 8.5 x 11 proportions; the iP* screens are a wee bit too narrow, and I have to do too much jinking of
the screen back & forth when I have the text sized correctly for my tastes.

To each their own, certainly, but for me phones just don't do it as ereaders.
 
2013-06-26 01:00:14 PM

Superrad: Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.

Nooks are easily rooted and all book files are easily de-DRMed. That's why I got mine, anyway.


The Nook is kind of useless before you root it anyway. Maybe if they hadn't gone so overboard on locking down features, it would still be doing better. My screen also cracked on my Nook Tablet a long time ago. I can still use it mind you, but there are much better choices on the market for the same price and you can still install the apps that will allow you to grab B&N and Amazon books etc, or from any other source.
 
2013-06-26 01:00:53 PM
Hopefully the prices start to plummet, so I can pick up a few Simple Touch e-readers for below $50 before they're discontinued.   The incredible battery life, sideloading SD, and universal .epub formating make them huge bargains for people who just like to read (I don't use my e-reader to play video games and check facebook, I use my e-reader to GET AWAY from video games and facebook).
 
2013-06-26 01:01:47 PM

Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.


Because unlike a Kindle, I can put an SD card in mine.
 
2013-06-26 01:05:02 PM

DjangoStonereaver: bsharitt: Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.

Actually a Nooks is less tied to its parent than the Kindle. If we're all being good little law abiding citizens, most legal content for the Kindle can only come from Amazon since much of it is tied up with DRM. On the other hand, the Nook can handle any store that uses Adobe's DRM which includes Google, Sony(I think) and others.

Of course if we assume we're taking the trivial step of removing DRM, then the hardware is a bit of a moot point, but for native formats, you're pretty much going to get ePubs anywhere out side of Amazon. Though with something like Calibre converting between the HTMLish ebook formats is pretty simple and works well. I've have content from Google, B&N and Amazon in my Calibre library and it all works great on my Nook. At the end of the day I went with the Nook because I like the UI of it better(at least since the touch based generation).

That's why when the time came to get a small tablet, I went straight with price and got an Azpen A701.

Completely unencumbered with any vendor.  Yes, it isn't fast (especially during the post boot checking for
update process if I haven't fired it up for a while), but it is tolerable and makes a very good ereader.


I usually by only Sorny or Magnetbox.
 
2013-06-26 01:07:13 PM

Tom_Slick: Optimus Primate: Crotchrocket Slim: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but in general aren't sales down on all mobile devices industry wide? Seems we're at or approaching market saturation here.

Very true...the things last forever. The only reason to upgrade is innovations like the Paperwhite.

This I have a 1st gen Nook, and I don't see a reason to upgrade, and dare I say I find it easier to read than my Samsung tablet, especially outside.



Mine still works exactly the same as the day I bought it in 2008.   I bought some 3rd party replacement batteries for dirt cheap on the intrawebbings, and I have no reason to believe it won't last me another 10-15 years.

I stare at backlit LED screens all day long for my job, I don't need another one to tote around.   I don't even need Wi-Fi.   I just need a light weight handheld device that stores and incredible amount of reading material when I travel.
 
2013-06-26 01:20:15 PM

Mikey1969: Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.

Because my Nook is smaller and lighter. Because I'm NOT tying my digital library to them. Amazon is the one with a proprietary format. Epub. is pretty much universal. I also don't like Amazon themselves, and could happily go through life never giving them a single penny.


All of this.  The Nook was a superior eInk reader and color tablet(at least initially).  Boot to USB if you want, no need to root or even touch the operating system on disk.

But, yea, the Kindle is nice, but you're basically locked in.  No such problem with B&N
 
2013-06-26 01:23:19 PM

Tom_Slick: This I have a 1st gen Nook, and I don't see a reason to upgrade


Same here. Well over 2+ years on my first gen Nook (rooted, running Cyanogenmod), and it's used every day of the week.  Reading on my train commute every day, and watching movies/TV shows every day during lunch.  Sure, it's not the fastest tablet around -- my rooted HP Touchpads can run circles around it.  But it's small, stable, and after more than 2 years of daily usage, including daily recharges, I don't even see any degradation in the battery.
 
2013-06-26 01:26:27 PM

bhcompy: Mikey1969: Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.

Because my Nook is smaller and lighter. Because I'm NOT tying my digital library to them. Amazon is the one with a proprietary format. Epub. is pretty much universal. I also don't like Amazon themselves, and could happily go through life never giving them a single penny.

All of this.  The Nook was a superior eInk reader and color tablet(at least initially).  Boot to USB if you want, no need to root or even touch the operating system on disk.

But, yea, the Kindle is nice, but you're basically locked in.  No such problem with B&N


I've read hundreds of books on mine first generation Nook, and I think the only time I've tethered it to  B&N is the first day I bought it when I had to activate it.   I don't even think I've turned on the Wi-Fi since then.

It's been awesome for the consumer, but you wonder if this wasn't part of it's demise if their business model was centered around making profit margins off the razor blades rather than the razor.
 
2013-06-26 01:30:03 PM
From an author's side....

...Nook sucks. I've had nothing but bad dealings with B&N in their NookPress crap. Two months to verify I am real (after repeated conversations with support) when it's supposed to take no more than a week. Their backend system sucks horribly (way too many tries and way too long to process a 10 page short) and now I'm in limbo again awaiting for my writing to be "published" on their platform.

I can't see doing much of anything on Nook via proper channels. Might just make a small store on my site and sell Nook ready versions from there because the proper channels leave a lot to be desired.

/they told me today they're doing the "branded by other companies" Nooks
//responded "that worked out so well for HP and the iPod, right?"
 
2013-06-26 01:33:22 PM

InmanRoshi: It's been awesome for the consumer, but you wonder if this wasn't part of it's demise if their business model was centered around making profit margins off the razor blades rather than the razor.


It's effectively the same as the Sony reader, but much cheaper.  So, yea, because they don't have Amazon's benefits, it's just another off the shelf reader.  That doesn't make the device bad, just sucks for B&N's bottom line
 
2013-06-26 01:45:28 PM

Nexzus: Russ1642: I read lots of books using the Android Kindle app for my phone and tablet. A standalone reader isn't worth it if you've got a phone.

Sure it is. Battery life measured in weeks, and the ability to read in bright daylight.


My dead tree edition has a superior battery life and I can swat spiders with it.
 
2013-06-26 01:53:05 PM

Lundah: Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.

Because unlike a Kindle, I can put an SD card in mine.


I have around 3000 books on mine  and it is only 80% full. I can use the 3G to download anything off my home server from anywhere I am. How many books do you really need to carry around?
 
2013-06-26 01:54:15 PM

limeyfellow: Superrad: Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.

Nooks are easily rooted and all book files are easily de-DRMed. That's why I got mine, anyway.

The Nook is kind of useless before you root it anyway. Maybe if they hadn't gone so overboard on locking down features, it would still be doing better. My screen also cracked on my Nook Tablet a long time ago. I can still use it mind you, but there are much better choices on the market for the same price and you can still install the apps that will allow you to grab B&N and Amazon books etc, or from any other source.


I meant the eink readers. I don't really care about the IPS versions of either one since the battery life is terrible for reading.
 
2013-06-26 01:57:19 PM

Mikey1969: Carth: Why would anyone buy a Nook over a Kindle? People have known for years that B&N is in trouble and might get bought out/go under. Why would you want to tie your digital library to a company like that when there is an alternative.

Because my Nook is smaller and lighter.


Is half an oz really worth suffering  a lower pixel density and that terrible grey screen the nook has compared to the paperwhite? If you do'nt like Amazon that's fine but the hardware of the nook seems so old by comparison.
 
2013-06-26 02:07:46 PM
A lot of public libraries went with the Nook standard for virtual borrowing (epub?), and B&N sold a lot on that basis.
 
2013-06-26 02:13:24 PM

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Srsly, fark this guy.
 
2013-06-26 02:15:02 PM

InmanRoshi: Hopefully the prices start to plummet, so I can pick up a few Simple Touch e-readers for below $50 before they're discontinued.   The incredible battery life, sideloading SD, and universal .epub formating make them huge bargains for people who just like to read (I don't use my e-reader to play video games and check facebook, I use my e-reader to GET AWAY from video games and facebook).


hate to burst your bubble, but only the tablets are dead. the e-ink devices are still on.
 
2013-06-26 02:17:53 PM

Carth: Is half an oz really worth suffering  a lower pixel density and that terrible grey screen the nook has compared to the paperwhite? If you do'nt like Amazon that's fine but the hardware of the nook seems so old by comparison.


My Nook was totally readable, "terrible grey screen" or not, I never had any problems. It was also smaller. As far as the hardware 'seeming old', I don't want bells and whistles, I wanted a better reader app, but everything else stock worked exactly as I wanted, the 'old' look just meant it was simplified.
 
2013-06-26 02:19:08 PM

ArkPanda: A lot of public libraries went with the Nook standard for virtual borrowing (epub?), and B&N sold a lot on that basis.


Well, the Nook standard isn't proprietary, like the Amazon standard is. Epub is open source, so many other readers and reader applications support it, rather than just B&N. That's why the libraries went with it.
 
2013-06-26 02:20:17 PM
I own a nook HD+.  I think what killed it was the proprietary application market that was relatively bare and had, to my knowledge, effectively ZERO free apps.

No weightlifting tracking apps, no recipe apps(might interfere with them selling e-cookbooks?), nothing.  I ended up installing android market(without technically rooting it) so I could get some of those apps.
 
2013-06-26 02:21:54 PM

Mikey1969: ArkPanda: A lot of public libraries went with the Nook standard for virtual borrowing (epub?), and B&N sold a lot on that basis.

Well, the Nook standard isn't proprietary, like the Amazon standard is. Epub is open source, so many other readers and reader applications support it, rather than just B&N. That's why the libraries went with it.


Pretty much every library supports kindle now. Overdrive added support for it last year.
 
2013-06-26 02:42:11 PM

Optimus Primate: Crotchrocket Slim: Someone correct me if I'm wrong but in general aren't sales down on all mobile devices industry wide? Seems we're at or approaching market saturation here.

Very true...the things last forever. The only reason to upgrade is innovations like the Paperwhite.


I just bought a Kindle Touch without a backlight. It's an MP3 player (yes, without a memory port), it's got a browser (primitive yes but the thing is in greyscale anyways), and free 3G. Plus, wifi.

And it only cost $32 used but in perfect working order with no scratches, dents or dings that I can see.

I'm very happy taking a step or two back in the technology race. Free Kindle books and Project Gutenberg are my buddies.
 
2013-06-26 03:18:32 PM
Came for Tom Nook, leaving happy and owing bells
 
2013-06-26 03:45:33 PM
Why would I buy a locked down nook tablet, when I can get a samsung tablet that does everything the nook tablet does and more???   They released a half assed tablet into a saturated market with devices that can read their books just as well as the nook.
 
2013-06-26 04:08:48 PM
After moving to the desert, my Nook is sorta warm, but definitely not yet "cooked."
 
2013-06-26 04:44:12 PM
We got a couple of Nook colors for $100 each last year plus a couple of sd cards and have 2 great little tablets. Youngest reads hers constantly.
 
2013-06-26 04:59:57 PM
I remember when the 1st generation Nook reader came out, they called it the Nook ereader. They quickly changed it's name to just Nook reader
 
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