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2013-06-26 09:58:58 AM  
Backwoods yokels on the dole always seem to have plenty of cash for guns and ammo.
 
2013-06-26 10:16:37 AM  
Perceived scarcity makes things desirable to a lot of people.  The recent shootings renewed calls for increased regulations on guns.  That immediately triggers a "get while the getting's good" buying spree every time it happens.
 
2013-06-26 10:28:05 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Backwoods yokels on the dole always seem to have plenty of cash for guns and ammo.


Bigot much?

Gun owners tend to skew middle class.
 
2013-06-26 10:34:29 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Backwoods yokels on the dole always seem to have plenty of cash for guns and ammo.


Well my family does live in the woods, but the last time I went shooing with my father and his friends, I was the only one without a PHD or MD in attendance.

Granted we don't have a vast arsenal, but I think you might be surprised by the variety of folks who enjoy shooting.
 
2013-06-26 10:45:35 AM  

dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: Backwoods yokels on the dole always seem to have plenty of cash for guns and ammo.

Bigot much?

Gun owners tend to skew middle class.


The WindowLicker: HotWingConspiracy: Backwoods yokels on the dole always seem to have plenty of cash for guns and ammo.

Well my family does live in the woods, but the last time I went shooing with my father and his friends, I was the only one without a PHD or MD in attendance.

Granted we don't have a vast arsenal, but I think you might be surprised by the variety of folks who enjoy shooting.


You guys are totally right. I'm sure it's just that shooting and hunting have simply exploded in popularity. This obviously has nothing to do with all the crazy anti-Obama assholes buying up ammo because they think he's coming to take them away, ha-ha.

Anywho, any of you guys know where I can find a bridge for sale?
 
2013-06-26 11:04:58 AM  

un4gvn666: I'm sure it's just that shooting and hunting have simply exploded in popularity.


Actually, it has.  Even the hippies and foodies are starting to hunt.  Shooting is great fun.  Add that to the fact that the Obama excels at the Firearm Salesman of the decade and that supply of guns and ammo is somewhat limited and you have the perfect recipe for this situation.
 
2013-06-26 11:11:44 AM  

un4gvn666: You guys are totally right. I'm sure it's just that shooting and hunting have simply exploded in popularity. This obviously has nothing to do with all the crazy anti-Obama assholes buying up ammo because they think he's coming to take them away, ha-ha.

Anywho, any of you guys know where I can find a bridge for sale?


Oh you are definitely right about that, there is a large demographic who live in fear.  In some cases it is unfortunately a justified fear.  Our last presidential election provided us with the opportunity to choose between voting for a candidate from the party that traditionally tries to restrict weapon ownership, and a candidate who enacted a very unpleasant weapons ban in Mass.

As a responsible gun user, I understand that the capacity and appearance of a weapon are not nearly as important as the operators mental state.  While I am not afraid that the President is going to confiscate weapons, it is entirely reasonable for me to purchase items that people frequently attempt to ban (things like standard capacity magazines).  I am sad that the recent background check measures did not pass, but I think many of the gun violence solutions in our country are fundamentally misguided.

This is an issue that many of my friends and I break with the party that is closely aligned with our political views.  Yes there are plenty of crazy gun nuts, a simple look around the internet will show you that quite quickly, but there is also a fairly substantial component of sane gun users.  I would love it if the democrats would pander to me on this issue even just a little bit; it would allow me to cut off the last of my ties to the GOP.
 
2013-06-26 11:21:32 AM  
Oh, and take "gun ownership" statistics with a grain of salt.

If you go here:   http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/

You'll see that as of 2011, just 32% of households own a gun according to Gallup.  I think that's bogus, and here is why:  Look at the number for 2000.  It's down to a low of 32%.  Then a mere 3 years later, it's up to 43%, an increase of 34% in just 3 short years, then it drops back down to 38% the next year.

So what's going on?  Did that many households get new guns between 2000 and 2003?  According to the US census, there were 105.5 million households in 2000, which means that there were (105.5*.32) = 33.76 million households with at least one gun in 2000, and (105.5*.43) = 45.37 million in 2003.  Assuming that the people who already had guns mostly kept them, that's an additional 11.61 million guns added to homes that didn't have them before.

The problem is that between 2000 and 2003, NICS checks remained fairly flat:

 www.thefiscaltimes.com

Any significant bump in new gun ownership should have shown up in the background check stats, but it didn't.

Plus, gun production during that time frame was also flat:

accurateshooter.net

Take a look at that graph:  Between 2000 and 2003, the total gun production was a bit over 3 million per year, which would be something like 13 million new guns during that time frame, which means if those gun ownership survey numbers were correct, new gun owners bought up something around 90% of the new gun production in the US.

That's just not plausible.

So why the big difference in percentages from year to year?

I suspect that the difference has a lot to do whether gun control is in the media or not.  When it is, consistently, gun owners become wary of telling a stranger on the phone that they have guns.  That explains the drop during the 1990s.  It also explains the 1987-1988-1989 pattern of 46-40-46:  That's when the first talk about banning so-called "assault weapons" started.

Many gun owners will either lie about owning guns, or simply refuse to take it, because "it's none of your goddamned business."
 
2013-06-26 11:22:23 AM  

The WindowLicker: I would love it if the democrats would pander to me on this issue even just a little bit; it would allow me to cut off the last of my ties to the GOP.


The western and mid-western democrats (Tester, Heitkamp, Boren, etc) are all pretty good when it comes to gun rights.  On this issue, I would take them over many of the East Coast Republicans.

/conservative
 
2013-06-26 11:23:45 AM  
Gun sales are slowing down anyway. The morons maxed out their credit cards to hoard AR lowers. Now it's mainly just ammo and that's usually 9mm and .22 right now. I don't understand the shiathead tendency to hoard .22. God, the American "gun culture" really just shoots itself in the foot all the time.
 
2013-06-26 11:29:28 AM  

trotsky: Now it's mainly just ammo and that's usually 9mm and .22 right now.


also 223 ammo and reloading components.  Anything to do with 223 is hard to find. Ammo, powder, small rifle primers, .224 caliber bullets, brass, etc is all very scarce.  There are some signs that this is letting up some, but many items are going to be backordered for another several months.

You can bet that I am going to be stocking up when this is over.  I am getting seriously low on a number of reloading items.
 
2013-06-26 11:31:54 AM  

trotsky: I don't understand the shiathead tendency to hoard


Then you are not thinking about the issue very much.  What do you think that folks will tend to do when a segment of goverment is attempting to ban certain items?  Do you think that they will just do nothing or do you think that they would stock up?  I know that you may not like it, but if you don't understand it, then you really have no clue on the issue at hand.
 
2013-06-26 11:31:54 AM  

HeadLever: The western and mid-western democrats (Tester, Heitkamp, Boren, etc) are all pretty good when it comes to gun rights. On this issue, I would take them over many of the East Coast Republicans.


Some of the northern New England democrats are not too bad either.  Michael Michaud (D-ME) is actually a very strong 2A proponent.

Unfortunately he breaks the trend.  Even more unfortunately the largest advocacy group is incredibly partisan.  I would not mind this, but I have to be a member of the NRA because it is almost impossible for my range to get reasonable insurance through anyone else.  Then I have to suffer the indignity of watching the NRA advocate for Romney and an almost straight Republican ticket nationwide. (even when the democrat candidate is a strong 2A supporter)
 
2013-06-26 11:32:34 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Backwoods yokels on the dole always seem to have plenty of cash for guns and ammo.


So if we end welfare, these slope-browed knuckledraggers won't have the funds to stockpile weapons and meth, right? I'm with you.
 
2013-06-26 11:32:50 AM  

trotsky: Gun sales are slowing down anyway. The morons maxed out their credit cards to hoard AR lowers. Now it's mainly just ammo and that's usually 9mm and .22 right now. I don't understand the shiathead tendency to hoard .22. God, the American "gun culture" really just shoots itself in the foot all the time.


Actually, it makes *PERFECT* sense.

If it is hard and expensive to find larger caliber ammo to practice with, what are you going to do?  Yep, that's right:  shoot your .22 more because it's less expensive.

They aren't necessarily *HOARDING* .22 LR, though some of that is undoubtedly happening, but I suspect another major reason for the shortage of .22 LR is that people are using it as a cheaper substitute for their larger calibers.  Pretty much every gun owner has a .22 of some sort.
 
2013-06-26 11:38:26 AM  

dittybopper: trotsky: Gun sales are slowing down anyway. The morons maxed out their credit cards to hoard AR lowers. Now it's mainly just ammo and that's usually 9mm and .22 right now. I don't understand the shiathead tendency to hoard .22. God, the American "gun culture" really just shoots itself in the foot all the time.

Actually, it makes *PERFECT* sense.

If it is hard and expensive to find larger caliber ammo to practice with, what are you going to do?  Yep, that's right:  shoot your .22 more because it's less expensive.

They aren't necessarily *HOARDING* .22 LR, though some of that is undoubtedly happening, but I suspect another major reason for the shortage of .22 LR is that people are using it as a cheaper substitute for their larger calibers.  Pretty much every gun owner has a .22 of some sort.


Not only that, but there's also a rush of people taking concealed carry courses in the states that have such things. The range portion (if there is one) is usually done with .22LR. So there's increased consumption of that caliber for training purposes.

The part that amuses me is how people will pay $80 for a $20 brick of it on Gunbroker. If that ever stops things will return to normal rather quickly.
 
2013-06-26 11:39:36 AM  

The WindowLicker: HeadLever: The western and mid-western democrats (Tester, Heitkamp, Boren, etc) are all pretty good when it comes to gun rights. On this issue, I would take them over many of the East Coast Republicans.

Some of the northern New England democrats are not too bad either.  Michael Michaud (D-ME) is actually a very strong 2A proponent.

Unfortunately he breaks the trend.  Even more unfortunately the largest advocacy group is incredibly partisan.  I would not mind this, but I have to be a member of the NRA because it is almost impossible for my range to get reasonable insurance through anyone else.  Then I have to suffer the indignity of watching the NRA advocate for Romney and an almost straight Republican ticket nationwide. (even when the democrat candidate is a strong 2A supporter)


You haven't really been paying attention.  For example, the NRA endorsed Michael Michaud (D-ME):

In Maine, the group has supported U.S. Rep. Mike Michaud, a Democrat, in his bid for re-election to a sixth term.

"We are your classic one-issue group, in terms of politics. We're here to support the 2nd Amendment," Keene said. "If you support the 2nd Amendment, and you're in office, and you vote on 2nd Amendment issues the way we think you should, we will not desert you, regardless of your party or your opponent."

 http://bangordailynews.com/2012/10/18/politics/summers-accepts-nras -en dorsement-questions-king-on-gun-rights/

Every farkin' congressional election, the NRA supports those Democrats who are pro-gun.  Happens *EVERY*FARKING*ELECTION*, and yet people like you *STILL* think the NRA cares about things other than guns.
 
2013-06-26 11:47:09 AM  

trotsky: Gun sales are slowing down anyway. The morons maxed out their credit cards to hoard AR lowers. Now it's mainly just ammo and that's usually 9mm and .22 right now. I don't understand the shiathead tendency to hoard .22. God, the American "gun culture" really just shoots itself in the foot all the time.


Not as of a couple of months ago, they aren't:
slowfacts.files.wordpress.com

They're still 20% higher than last year at the same time as of the end of April, and we're going to be going into the pre-hunting season increase in the next month or so.
 
2013-06-26 11:55:22 AM  

dittybopper: trotsky: Gun sales are slowing down anyway. The morons maxed out their credit cards to hoard AR lowers. Now it's mainly just ammo and that's usually 9mm and .22 right now. I don't understand the shiathead tendency to hoard .22. God, the American "gun culture" really just shoots itself in the foot all the time.

Not as of a couple of months ago, they aren't:
[slowfacts.files.wordpress.com image 850x423]

They're still 20% higher than last year at the same time as of the end of April, and we're going to be going into the pre-hunting season increase in the next month or so.


Also, part of the reason for the decrease in sales isn't lack of demand, it's lack of product:

Alan Taylor, manager of High Plains Gun Shop, 11110 US-40 highway, said handguns and the ammunition that goes with them are still difficult to keep in stock. Shipments are smaller than they normally would be, he said, and customers are still stocking up.

That's from 4 days ago.
 
2013-06-26 11:56:16 AM  

dittybopper: You haven't really been paying attention. For example, the NRA endorsed Michael Michaud (D-ME):

In Maine, the group has supported U.S. Rep. Mike Michaud, a Democrat, in his bid for re-election to a sixth term.

"We are your classic one-issue group, in terms of politics. We're here to support the 2nd Amendment," Keene said. "If you support the 2nd Amendment, and you're in office, and you vote on 2nd Amendment issues the way we think you should, we will not desert you, regardless of your party or your opponent."
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/10/18/politics/summers-accepts-nras -en dorsement-questions-king-on-gun-rights/

Every farkin' congressional election, the NRA supports those Democrats who are pro-gun. Happens *EVERY*FARKING*ELECTION*, and yet people like you *STILL* think the NRA cares about things other than guns.


Actually I have been paying attention, and I am aware that they did endorse Michaud (although I think that was more out of inevitability), but you are missing little things like the most recent presidential election.  If you don;t think the NRA has gone a bit retarded and partisan, then you are the one who has not really been paying attention.
 
2013-06-26 12:14:25 PM  

The WindowLicker: Actually I have been paying attention, and I am aware that they did endorse Michaud (although I think that was more out of inevitability), but you are missing little things like the most recent presidential election.  If you don;t think the NRA has gone a bit retarded and partisan, then you are the one who has not really been paying attention.


OK, so let's think about that.

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Mitt_Romney_Gun_Control.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/2012/Barack_Obama_Gun_Control.htm

Read those, and given that the NRA had a choice between those two, or sitting out the election altogether, you tell me which on they should have endorsed.

It's like the choice between half a shiat sandwich on Wonder Bread with the crusts cut off, and a double meat foot-long shiat sub.
 
2013-06-26 12:26:14 PM  

trotsky: Gun sales are slowing down anyway. The morons maxed out their credit cards to hoard AR lowers. Now it's mainly just ammo and that's usually 9mm and .22 right now. I don't understand the shiathead tendency to hoard .22. God, the American "gun culture" really just shoots itself in the foot all the time.


.22 is for hunting small creatures to feed yourself after the apocalypse.
 
2013-06-26 01:25:09 PM  
I like how I accidentally contributed to the gun and ammo surge.  My boys joined a trap club simply because of their ages and timing, so rack up three background checks for me while buying their guns, and about a thousand rounds of ammo.

/Saw my first boxes of .40 last night since about this time last year, so snapped 'em up.  Can finally go to the range this weekend now.
 
2013-06-26 01:30:40 PM  
Obama truly is the gun-salesman of the decade.
 
2013-06-26 02:22:27 PM  
Bought my first/only Smith and Wesson this past month.  Nice little pocket gun, the "Bodyguard."  It should be noted I f'ing hate guns with names.  Encourages a negative stereotype of gun owners, frankly.

www.thefirearmblog.com

Little .380 auto pocket gun w/ built in laser sight.  Was looking at a comparable Ruger, but the Ruger didn't have a safety.
 
2013-06-26 03:28:43 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Bought my first/only Smith and Wesson this past month.  Nice little pocket gun, the "Bodyguard."  It should be noted I f'ing hate guns with names.  Encourages a negative stereotype of gun owners, frankly.

[www.thefirearmblog.com image 850x637]

Little .380 auto pocket gun w/ built in laser sight.  Was looking at a comparable Ruger, but the Ruger didn't have a safety.


The gun I shoot the most doesn't have a safety either, except for the one between my ears.

/Flintlock, not a Glock.
 
2013-06-26 03:31:24 PM  

dittybopper: Satanic_Hamster: Bought my first/only Smith and Wesson this past month.  Nice little pocket gun, the "Bodyguard."  It should be noted I f'ing hate guns with names.  Encourages a negative stereotype of gun owners, frankly.

[www.thefirearmblog.com image 850x637]

Little .380 auto pocket gun w/ built in laser sight.  Was looking at a comparable Ruger, but the Ruger didn't have a safety.

The gun I shoot the most doesn't have a safety either, except for the one between my ears.

/Flintlock, not a Glock.


Apparently, it could be both:

img.photobucket.com

I present to you the FlintGlock.
 
2013-06-26 03:38:42 PM  
Guns are in a bubble.  You need to look at them as toys, tools, and/or collector's objects, because you're never selling them at retail.  Broad based demand isn't there.

I keep thinking these firearm stocks are too high, but they keep climbing.  Since democrats are never going to get any regulation passed, you'd think you should short, but this is not a rational market hence the bubble.
 
2013-06-26 04:03:28 PM  
This is why I own S&W stock.  Money money money makes me happy happy happy
 
2013-06-26 04:08:55 PM  

un4gvn666: dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: Backwoods yokels on the dole always seem to have plenty of cash for guns and ammo.

Bigot much?

Gun owners tend to skew middle class.

The WindowLicker: HotWingConspiracy: Backwoods yokels on the dole always seem to have plenty of cash for guns and ammo.

Well my family does live in the woods, but the last time I went shooing with my father and his friends, I was the only one without a PHD or MD in attendance.

Granted we don't have a vast arsenal, but I think you might be surprised by the variety of folks who enjoy shooting.

You guys are totally right. I'm sure it's just that shooting and hunting have simply exploded in popularity. This obviously has nothing to do with all the crazy anti-Obama assholes buying up ammo because they think he's coming to take them away, ha-ha.

Anywho, any of you guys know where I can find a bridge for sale?


You sir must be right because the assumptions you've made aren't based on bias. Its obviously not the result of reactionary politics that people react and go out and preemptively purchase something they believe they wont have future access to.
 
2013-06-26 04:26:13 PM  

dittybopper: dittybopper: Satanic_Hamster: Bought my first/only Smith and Wesson this past month.  Nice little pocket gun, the "Bodyguard."  It should be noted I f'ing hate guns with names.  Encourages a negative stereotype of gun owners, frankly.

[www.thefirearmblog.com image 850x637]

Little .380 auto pocket gun w/ built in laser sight.  Was looking at a comparable Ruger, but the Ruger didn't have a safety.

The gun I shoot the most doesn't have a safety either, except for the one between my ears.

/Flintlock, not a Glock.

Apparently, it could be both:

[img.photobucket.com image 732x422]

I present to you the FlintGlock.


Man, that thing must be a real biatch to clear when it jams like other Glocks.
 
2013-06-26 05:30:19 PM  

dittybopper: The gun I shoot the most doesn't have a safety either, except for the one between my ears.

/Flintlock, not a Glock.


Oh, safety isn't 100 percent required (love revolvers), but for a pistol that's going to be mainly carried inside a pants pocket?  It's preferred.
 
2013-06-26 05:41:42 PM  

un4gvn666: dittybopper: HotWingConspiracy: Backwoods yokels on the dole always seem to have plenty of cash for guns and ammo.

Bigot much?

Gun owners tend to skew middle class.

The WindowLicker: HotWingConspiracy: Backwoods yokels on the dole always seem to have plenty of cash for guns and ammo.

Well my family does live in the woods, but the last time I went shooing with my father and his friends, I was the only one without a PHD or MD in attendance.

Granted we don't have a vast arsenal, but I think you might be surprised by the variety of folks who enjoy shooting.

You guys are totally right. I'm sure it's just that shooting and hunting have simply exploded in popularity. This obviously has nothing to do with all the crazy anti-Obama assholes buying up ammo because they think he's coming to take them away, ha-ha.

Anywho, any of you guys know where I can find a bridge for sale?


I hear your mom gives something away for free....quite a few things, actually.
 
2013-06-26 08:14:21 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: dittybopper: The gun I shoot the most doesn't have a safety either, except for the one between my ears.

/Flintlock, not a Glock.

Oh, safety isn't 100 percent required (love revolvers), but for a pistol that's going to be mainly carried inside a pants pocket?  It's preferred.


Ooh-ooh ooh-ah-ooh-ooh ooh-ooh
Ooh-ooh ooh-ah-ooh-ooh ooh-ooh
Johnny shot himself in the cock
Shoved a gun down his pants
and the trigger got caught
It's tough, so tough

/You got to hold on, to what you got
 
2013-06-26 10:30:54 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: This is why I own S&W stock.  Money money money makes me happy happy happy


Is that share price to earnings ratio really like 10:1?  For real?  And is the sort of company that actually gives out dividends for shareholders?
 
2013-06-27 05:58:05 AM  

dittybopper: Oh, and take "gun ownership" statistics with a grain of salt.

If you go here:   http://www.statisticbrain.com/gun-ownership-statistics-demographics/

You'll see that as of 2011, just 32% of households own a gun according to Gallup.  I think that's bogus, and here is why:  Look at the number for 2000.  It's down to a low of 32%.  Then a mere 3 years later, it's up to 43%, an increase of 34% in just 3 short years, then it drops back down to 38% the next year.

So what's going on?  Did that many households get new guns between 2000 and 2003?  According to the US census, there were 105.5 million households in 2000, which means that there were (105.5*.32) = 33.76 million households with at least one gun in 2000, and (105.5*.43) = 45.37 million in 2003.  Assuming that the people who already had guns mostly kept them, that's an additional 11.61 million guns added to homes that didn't have them before.

The problem is that between 2000 and 2003, NICS checks remained fairly flat:

 [www.thefiscaltimes.com image 568x448]

Any significant bump in new gun ownership should have shown up in the background check stats, but it didn't.

Plus, gun production during that time frame was also flat:

[accurateshooter.net image 600x374]

Take a look at that graph:  Between 2000 and 2003, the total gun production was a bit over 3 million per year, which would be something like 13 million new guns during that time frame, which means if those gun ownership survey numbers were correct, new gun owners bought up something around 90% of the new gun production in the US.

That's just not plausible.

So why the big difference in percentages from year to year?

I suspect that the difference has a lot to do whether gun control is in the media or not.  When it is, consistently, gun owners become wary of telling a stranger on the phone that they have guns.  That explains the drop during the 1990s.  It also explains the 1987-1988-1989 pattern of 46-40-46:  That's when the first talk about banning so-c ...




Used gun sale duplication is not accounted for, that I can tell.

Gifts could cause duplication as well.
 
2013-06-27 08:11:43 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Used gun sale duplication is not accounted for, that I can tell.

Gifts could cause duplication as well.


Used guns sold through dealers also generate a NICS record, so at least *SOME* of the used guns sold are accounted for.

Still, you can't explain the 46%, 40%, 46% pattern in 1987-1988-1989.  That's a massive drop of millions of people, followed by a massive increase the next year.

Even Gallup, the ones who took those polls, aren't sure:

A clear societal change took place regarding gun ownership in the early 1990s, when the percentage of Americans saying there was a gun in their home or on their property dropped from the low to mid-50s into the low to mid-40s and remained at that level for the next 15 years. Whether this reflected a true decline in gun ownership or a cultural shift in Americans' willingness to say they had guns is unclear. However, the new data suggest that attitudes may again be changing. At 47%, reported gun ownership is the highest it has been in nearly two decades.
 
2013-06-27 10:03:38 AM  

trotsky: Gun sales are slowing down anyway. The morons maxed out their credit cards to hoard AR lowers. Now it's mainly just ammo and that's usually 9mm and .22 right now. I don't understand the shiathead tendency to hoard .22. God, the American "gun culture" really just shoots itself in the foot all the time.


People hoard stuff they think is going to not be available in the future.  Ammunition manufactures have stated that they don't intend to ramp up production for what they believe is a temporary spike since they would then end up with excess inventory and labor costs. They think this will even out later.  Hell, we have people hoarding toilet paper every time snow is predicted.

.22 and 9mm are the two most popular target shooting ammo choices around, so the more commonly used the cartridge is, the harder it is to find. With some states (like Maryland) requiring training before sales after 10/1, some ranges and shops are offering training courses where you shoot (what else): a .22 or 9mm.  A shooter could go through a lot of rounds on the range in the course of a day.
 
2013-06-27 11:29:48 AM  
I went to a Wal*Mart a couple towns over.  Big sign at the sporting goods counter saying they are out of 9mm, .22 LR, .17 HMR, 7.62x39mm, .223 Remington, .30-30 Winchester, .308 Remington, .380 ACP, and a couple others I can't recall.

They had some .30'06 Springfield, but it was the crap stuff.

I can't *WAIT* to see what happens right before hunting season:  Several of those calibers are popular for deer hunting (.30-30, 7.62x39, .308 Win).
 
2013-06-27 12:41:36 PM  

dittybopper: I went to a Wal*Mart a couple towns over.  Big sign at the sporting goods counter saying they are out of 9mm, .22 LR, .17 HMR, 7.62x39mm, .223 Remington, .30-30 Winchester, .308 Remington, .380 ACP, and a couple others I can't recall.

They had some .30'06 Springfield, but it was the crap stuff.

I can't *WAIT* to see what happens right before hunting season:  Several of those calibers are popular for deer hunting (.30-30, 7.62x39, .308 Win).


O.o
One of these things is not like the others.
One of these things just doesn't belong.
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
by the time we finish this song?
Did you guess which thing is not like the others?
Did you guess real hard with all your might?
AKs are no good for real deer huntin'
They're good for spray-n-pray firefights.

/[NOPE.gif] Will not hunt deer with an AK.
 
2013-06-27 01:37:54 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: I went to a Wal*Mart a couple towns over.  Big sign at the sporting goods counter saying they are out of 9mm, .22 LR, .17 HMR, 7.62x39mm, .223 Remington, .30-30 Winchester, .308 Remington, .380 ACP, and a couple others I can't recall.

They had some .30'06 Springfield, but it was the crap stuff.

I can't *WAIT* to see what happens right before hunting season:  Several of those calibers are popular for deer hunting (.30-30, 7.62x39, .308 Win).

O.o
One of these things is not like the others.
One of these things just doesn't belong.
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
by the time we finish this song?
Did you guess which thing is not like the others?
Did you guess real hard with all your might?
AKs are no good for real deer huntin'
They're good for spray-n-pray firefights.

/[NOPE.gif] Will not hunt deer with an AK.


Shows what *YOU* know.

The AK isn't the only rifle chambered in 7.62x39mm, and there is ample evidence that the SKS (and to a lesser extent, the AK) are replacing the lever action .30-30 Winchester as the deep woods/swamp deer rifle.

They are generally light, easy to maneuver in deep woods, reliable, accurate enough to 75 or 100 yards (which is a long shot in the deep woods), and ballistically, the 7.62x39mm isn't all that far off from a .30-30 Winchester.  At the practical ranges you would use either (again, 100 yards or less), the difference in energy isn't all that great.

Plus, because they are generally less expensive than either an old collectible lever action in decent condition or a new one from the store, that makes them popular amongst the less economically fortunate hunters.
 
2013-06-27 01:45:22 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: I went to a Wal*Mart a couple towns over.  Big sign at the sporting goods counter saying they are out of 9mm, .22 LR, .17 HMR, 7.62x39mm, .223 Remington, .30-30 Winchester, .308 Remington, .380 ACP, and a couple others I can't recall.

They had some .30'06 Springfield, but it was the crap stuff.

I can't *WAIT* to see what happens right before hunting season:  Several of those calibers are popular for deer hunting (.30-30, 7.62x39, .308 Win).

O.o
One of these things is not like the others.
One of these things just doesn't belong.
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
by the time we finish this song?
Did you guess which thing is not like the others?
Did you guess real hard with all your might?
AKs are no good for real deer huntin'
They're good for spray-n-pray firefights.

/[NOPE.gif] Will not hunt deer with an AK.


It's just a caliber, i use to hunt feral hogs with a Chinese made SKS chambered in 7.62x39 back when they were popular ( 20 years ago or so ). If anything .30-30 is the caliber that doesn't belong. 7.62x39, and .308 ( 7.62x51 ) are common in a lot of semiautomatic rifles but 30-30 is really only used in lever action rifles and there's only a handful of lever action models.
 
2013-06-27 02:48:18 PM  

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: I went to a Wal*Mart a couple towns over.  Big sign at the sporting goods counter saying they are out of 9mm, .22 LR, .17 HMR, 7.62x39mm, .223 Remington, .30-30 Winchester, .308 Remington, .380 ACP, and a couple others I can't recall.

They had some .30'06 Springfield, but it was the crap stuff.

I can't *WAIT* to see what happens right before hunting season:  Several of those calibers are popular for deer hunting (.30-30, 7.62x39, .308 Win).

O.o
One of these things is not like the others.
One of these things just doesn't belong.
Can you tell which thing is not like the others
by the time we finish this song?
Did you guess which thing is not like the others?
Did you guess real hard with all your might?
AKs are no good for real deer huntin'
They're good for spray-n-pray firefights.

/[NOPE.gif] Will not hunt deer with an AK.

Shows what *YOU* know.

The AK isn't the only rifle chambered in 7.62x39mm, and there is ample evidence that the SKS (and to a lesser extent, the AK) are replacing the lever action .30-30 Winchester as the deep woods/swamp deer rifle.

They are generally light, easy to maneuver in deep woods, reliable, accurate enough to 75 or 100 yards (which is a long shot in the deep woods), and ballistically, the 7.62x39mm isn't all that far off from a .30-30 Winchester.  At the practical ranges you would use either (again, 100 yards or less), the difference in energy isn't all that great.

Plus, because they are generally less expensive than either an old collectible lever action in decent condition or a new one from the store, that makes them popular amongst the less economically fortunate hunters.


Yeah. No.
The .30-30 is a better brush gun with far greater availability of hunting ammunition. FMJ isn't even legal for deer most places.
/No commie rifles.
//And that Mini-30 ain't no deer rifle, neither, Ruger.
 
2013-06-27 03:32:47 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: Yeah. No.
The .30-30 is a better brush gun with far greater availability of hunting ammunition. FMJ isn't even legal for deer most places.
/No commie rifles.
//And that Mini-30 ain't no deer rifle, neither, Ruger.


You know, most major manufacturers make soft point 7.62x39mm hunting ammo.

Don't get stuck on the idea that 7.62x39mm *HAS* to be FMJ.  It doesn't, and it isn't, and finding soft point deer loads for it isn't a problem (normally).
 
2013-06-27 03:35:25 PM  
As I pointed out, though, you can't even find .30-30 near me right now, so the "far greater availability of hunting ammunition" idea falls flat.
 
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