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(Kotaku Australia)   Tiny Tina from Borderlands 2 responds to accusations of racism in game   (kotaku.com.au) divider line 33
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2013-06-26 09:47:16 AM
It's ok. The person who brought up this supposed racism, Mike Sacco, has been sacked.

Well, actually he said he was sacked, but it turned out he quit after the company he was contracted to said to stop using their company name.
 
2013-06-26 09:49:48 AM
I don't know if it's racist, but I DO know the name for my next alt is going to be "Verbal Blackface".
 
2013-06-26 10:03:42 AM
TT was about the only likeable thing from that game but I'm not going to waste my time finishing the campaign and leveling to 60 to play her campaign :-/
 
2013-06-26 10:07:33 AM
How horrible that they made a character with a unique personality! Games should be full of generic, inoffensive blobs so that nobody gets a their panties twisted..
 
2013-06-26 10:14:53 AM

Mentalpatient87: How horrible that they made a character with a unique personality! Games should be full of generic, inoffensive blobs so that nobody gets a their panties twisted..


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"Lemonade?"
"Please."
 
2013-06-26 10:25:10 AM
I'm maybe one third to one half way through the DLC (it was just released yesterday).  It's pretty well done, IMHO.
 
2013-06-26 10:26:49 AM

Mentalpatient87: How horrible that they made a character with a unique personality! Games should be full of generic, inoffensive blobs so that nobody gets a their panties twisted..


I didn't make the connection that she was apparently talking like a stereotype of urban black people.

But then it took forever to figure out that Zoidberg was a Jewish stereotype on Futurama.
 
2013-06-26 10:36:48 AM
Tiny Tina is one of, if not my favorite, original character in Borderlands 2. Never saw her as racist. Just a little girl who lost her parents and is an explosive expert on a backwater planet. So she talks different from how I do, so does Zero (speaks in Haiku). That is what makes Borderlands 2 a really fun game. All the characters are different and unique.
 
2013-06-26 10:38:10 AM

MadSkillz: Mentalpatient87: How horrible that they made a character with a unique personality! Games should be full of generic, inoffensive blobs so that nobody gets a their panties twisted..

I didn't make the connection that she was apparently talking like a stereotype of urban black people.

But then it took forever to figure out that Zoidberg was a Jewish stereotype on Futurama.


Really... Zoidberg was a Jewish stereotype? First time I ever thought of it like that.

/still doesn't bother me.
//Zoidberg is awesome
 
2013-06-26 10:42:13 AM

scottydoesntknow: Well, actually he said he was sacked, but it turned out he quit after the company he was contracted to said to stop using their company name.


Specifically they told him to stop using their company name when completing the sentence "I work for _____________".
 
2013-06-26 10:45:05 AM
She reminds me of an even more psychotic version of Louise from Bob's Burgers.
 
2013-06-26 10:46:04 AM
Seinfeld was about making fun of Jewish stereotypes, nobody had a problem with that.

You ever notice that Costanza was living at home with his parents?
 
2013-06-26 10:56:59 AM
I prefer Dr. Zed. Even Tannis.

//Also Nomads, Zero, Axton
//"Turns out, if you shoot 'em a lot... they die!"
//"Cool Story, Bro"
 
2013-06-26 10:57:22 AM
Filed that under "problems for people in search of things to be pointlessly offended about."
 
2013-06-26 11:01:54 AM
Tiny Tina makes me laugh. Kids mimic what they see, and it's not like a Tina couldn't be found in any school in America.

It's an American way of speaking, and don't be obtuse and act like you never heard a white person speak like this. It's not racist, especially if it's purpose isn't to specifically mock black people and cast them as inferior.
 
2013-06-26 11:05:30 AM
I like the mental stretching it takes to be offended by TT.  Sadly, it's often used by people desperate to be offended.

Offended person:  "Her behavior is demeaning and stereotypes black people!  Black people don't act like that!"
Reasonable person:  "She's not even black.  She's just using some slang.  There's nothing inferring that it has anything directly to do with a real or perceived image of black people at all."
Offended person:  "Of course it has to do with black people!  Only black people act like that!"
 
2013-06-26 11:07:55 AM

yves0010: MadSkillz: Mentalpatient87: How horrible that they made a character with a unique personality! Games should be full of generic, inoffensive blobs so that nobody gets a their panties twisted..

I didn't make the connection that she was apparently talking like a stereotype of urban black people.

But then it took forever to figure out that Zoidberg was a Jewish stereotype on Futurama.

Really... Zoidberg was a Jewish stereotype? First time I ever thought of it like that.

/still doesn't bother me.
//Zoidberg is awesome


Yeah. An American had to explain it to me. I just thought his accent was a New York thing.
 
2013-06-26 12:07:25 PM
Tiny Tina is the most annoying character ever conceived.

She's just so "OMG RANDOMZ" and so "kewl". F*ck I want to blow her head off every time I'm forced to interact with her in the game.

And the girl that voiced her? Her brother is like the head writer or something to that effect.

Nepotism is awesome.
 
2013-06-26 12:50:20 PM
Personally, I think the drunken Truxican that sleeps all day is a far more racist/stereotyped character than Tiny Tina.
 
2013-06-26 01:06:52 PM

MadSkillz: yves0010: MadSkillz: Mentalpatient87: How horrible that they made a character with a unique personality! Games should be full of generic, inoffensive blobs so that nobody gets a their panties twisted..

I didn't make the connection that she was apparently talking like a stereotype of urban black people.

But then it took forever to figure out that Zoidberg was a Jewish stereotype on Futurama.

Really... Zoidberg was a Jewish stereotype? First time I ever thought of it like that.

/still doesn't bother me.
//Zoidberg is awesome

Yeah. An American had to explain it to me. I just thought his accent was a New York thing.


I only copped it when Zoidberg went to his home planet and one of the other...lobster-people?... talked in a manner very similar to Jeff Goldblums' dad in Independence Day. Then it clicked.

/Didn't know the dad was supposed to be Jewish either until he said it himself.
//Not American.
 
2013-06-26 01:09:15 PM

Everfearful: Offended person:  "Of course it has to do with black people!  Only black people act like that!"


At which point you can happily call them some combination of:
Retarded
Hypocrite
Racist

I always found the faux outrage about Tiny Tiny (which came quite a long time after the games release) to be quite laughable.  The fact that when you launch the two missiles at the train she screams "kill all the babies!" is just fine and dandy but that she speaks pretty much purely in slang.... ohhh noes.

And lets be clear here it was faux outrage by someone looking to get a little sniff of their 15min of fame and ride along on a popular games coat-tails.  Nothing more.  Nothing less.
 
2013-06-26 01:11:40 PM
I thought Tiny Tina was based on Judy Tenuta.
 
2013-06-26 01:28:51 PM
Tiny Tina is pretty goddamn annoying. I know most gamers like her character. I did not. Still like the game a lot.
 
2013-06-26 02:00:34 PM

Lando Lincoln: Tiny Tina is pretty goddamn annoying. I know most gamers like her character. I did not. Still like the game a lot.


What's your take on Mr. Torgue Flexington?
 
2013-06-26 02:14:09 PM
meta.filesmelt.com

Soon...
 
2013-06-26 04:44:15 PM
after the steaming pile that was the Big Game Hunt, this DLC is a goddamned work of art!
 
2013-06-26 05:09:46 PM

meatofmystery: this DLC is a goddamned work of art!


Agreed.

The ending is f*cking superb.
 
2013-06-26 10:09:52 PM
Reminds me of Foamy the Squirrel's Germaine
 
2013-06-27 12:31:07 AM

Mr. Fuzzypaws: meatofmystery: this DLC is a goddamned work of art!

Agreed.

The ending is f*cking superb.


Perfect balance of touching and funny.  And with a bonus possible teaser at a Moonbase DLC too!

As far as this being a reference to the racism thing, I would not be surprised. DLC4 is full of a TON of references and in-jokes to things other than popular culture.  There's Spiderpants, which is a reference to a forum troll and the mod who banned him, along with Spatula Kahn, which is a continuation of an in-joke amongst Gearbox employees during development.  Oh, and let's not forget "her name is Brick, and she is the prettiest siren."

DLC4 was all about Gearbox responding to the fans, not just in terms of what they wanted in gameplay but in terms of the humor too.  There are a LOT of things in there aimed directly at Borderlands 2's personal history as a game.
 
2013-06-27 01:24:51 AM

Mr. Fuzzypaws: The ending is f*cking superb.


The post-ending thing where you feed the Queen cracks me up  every goddamn time.

Except the time I fed her, and she...expelled...a gemstone Maliwan SMG straight off the cliff.
 
2013-06-27 02:11:54 AM

that bosnian sniper: Mr. Fuzzypaws: The ending is f*cking superb.

The post-ending thing where you feed the Queen cracks me up  every goddamn time.

Except the time I fed her, and she...expelled...a gemstone Maliwan SMG straight off the cliff.


I laughed at the rainbow scream, I have to admit.  Puts me in mind of Robot Unicorn Attack, though there's no indication that they meant to reference that at all.

Also, her farts are so dainty. :P
 
2013-06-27 06:58:11 AM
Be gentle with me, now, but I'm going to mention what I think is a similar adoption of language that was almost universally tagged by everyone as racist:

fromthelandofoz.com

I know it was probably because Borderlands is so much more loved than that second movie, but these characters were trashed hard.  Their race is designed to copy/mimic/adapt to blend in.  How is this example any different from Tina?

/I actually liked the twins' background antics (sorry)
//they were all the comic relief the movie needed, no humans necessary.
 
2013-06-27 08:46:34 AM

Qaiwolf: Be gentle with me, now, but I'm going to mention what I think is a similar adoption of language that was almost universally tagged by everyone as racist:

[fromthelandofoz.com image 550x449]

I know it was probably because Borderlands is so much more loved than that second movie, but these characters were trashed hard.  Their race is designed to copy/mimic/adapt to blend in.  How is this example any different from Tina?

/I actually liked the twins' background antics (sorry)
//they were all the comic relief the movie needed, no humans necessary.


I 100% agreed with you and then fact that one of the twins voice actors came out and said he was not offended and enjoyed the role should say how much people really need to grow the heck up.
 
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