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(CBC)   Euhh, we will perhaps act on that 2006 report about floods, because euhh, ooops   (cbc.ca) divider line 14
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2013-06-26 10:50:05 AM
Euhh?
 
2013-06-26 11:22:23 AM
So has acted on 13 of 16 recommendations = will perhaps act subby?

/I have been impacted by my favorite pub downtown being closed yesterday so yes I am feeling the pain.
//although working at home in a robe is kinda nice until the office is open.
 
2013-06-26 11:25:27 AM

gnosis301: Euhh?


yeah. we put 'u's in a lot of words subby but not that one.

so take off ya hoser.
 
2013-06-26 12:41:41 PM

gnosis301: Euhh?


I believe subby is trying to combine "Eh" with "uh".
 
2013-06-26 01:04:40 PM
Every city has a report sitting on it's desk about how to best handle disasters, particularly flooding. That doesn't mean the money magically appears to implement the recommendations. Also, it doesn't say "do this by 2013 or your city will be ruined". People would rather have their daily commute improved rather than spend the money worrying about a flood that may never happen. And from a strict utilitarian point of view, they are probably right to think that way.
 
2013-06-26 01:22:44 PM
Euh is French for err, um. It is an interjection of doubt or hesitation.

It's like Americans saying huh? for eh?

Subby wins the first round.

Not Subby.
 
2013-06-26 01:38:09 PM
It's the old Stop Sign Syndrome. You can't get a stop light or a stop sign installed at a dangerous intersection until somebody gets killed.

Until a disaster actually happens on an alarming scale, there's no money for disaster planning and prevention.

Take global warming ... please!

Alberta will do something about global warming when it is turned back into a shallow tropical sea such as produced the oil, natural gas and bitumen that are its life blood today.

Spring coming 28 days earlier is obviously not enough disaster to light a fire under the Petroleum Club's broad white buttocks. Sure, it may be a contributing factor to the extinction of many species of migratory birds and other organisms that rely upon their breeding season matching up with the food supply for their young. But money comes first, people with moderate amounts of money a distant second, and everything else is God's, baby. God broke it, let God fix it.

In Canada, the extraction industry tail wags the Conservative dogs (a different set of industries own the Liberal parties).

On the anti-global warming side we have fossil fuels and mining, cement and heavy industry, big polluters, in the middle, forestry, tourism and agriculture, which will see benefits as well as costs and and other industries such as nuclear power generation which may profit from measures to fight climate change, land use restructing, and so forth, and on the global warming side, the insurance industry which picks up the tab for the effects of climate change on insured property and people.

Despite all of the BS manufacturing going on, there are and will be winners and losers, adaptations can be made but conservatiion and prevention are cheaper if more immediate, and the facts are not going to change because you refuse to believe them.

Such is human perversity. The cost of a stop sign is not $500 or $50. It is blood on the pavement and a tiny pathetic wooden cross on the roadside erected by the friends and family of the deceased who paid for all our sins, as so many have before and since the original instrument of death and torture was literally nailing some bugger to a tree.
 
2013-06-26 01:52:00 PM

brantgoose: Euh is French for err, um. It is an interjection of doubt or hesitation.

It's like Americans saying huh? for eh?

Subby wins the first round.

Not Subby.


I would be more inclined to agree if the province mentioned in the article was Quebec, but it's Alberta.  Subby loses first round.
 
2013-06-26 01:56:24 PM

brantgoose: Spring coming 28 days earlier


Where in the hell are you talking about?  I work in the field a lot during the winter (for an environmental company, often drilling wells in the oilsands area) But seriously, winter was generally mild but damnit other than a warm streak in mid Feb it was frozen if anything quite late this year.

Seriously let's not pull GW out as the reason for the floods here.  It can be a contributing factor in long term climatic shifts but this was a very specific weather pattern that has occurred before.  After all the grounds that flooded are historical flood plains.  When they say once in a hundred year or 500 year flood they mean that.  It's happened before and hopefully it's that long until it happens again.
 
2013-06-26 01:58:36 PM

Lost Thought 00: Every city has a report sitting on it's desk about how to best handle disasters, particularly flooding. That doesn't mean the money magically appears to implement the recommendations. Also, it doesn't say "do this by 2013 or your city will be ruined". People would rather have their daily commute improved rather than spend the money worrying about a flood that may never happen. And from a strict utilitarian point of view, they are probably right to think that way.


The thing about floods that may never happen is that THEY WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN. Always. Probably as routinely as clockwork, every twenty years or so. Just far enough apart for the suckers to buy into the next disaster after the already well-established suckers have finally fixed the water damage (or painted over it). In a time of climate change, 10,000 year floods (such as the one for which the Netherlands prepared after their country flooded in the 1950s) will happen sooner than expected. Perhaps tomorrow, perhaps in 1,000 years. But they are 10,000 year floods because they can be expected to happen on average every 10,000 years, although nothing precludes two of them in one year.

The same is true of more frequent events. Century storms are now a dime a dozen every year. It's not just that we now have television and web channels devoted to making a BFD out of every normal storm. We are really having more abnormal storms. What used to be the disaster of a century is now the disaster of a decade. In short, the money is going to have to be found.

If a politician wants to do something, money is never a problem. A politician who is determined will even raise taxes where the goose honks the least--usually on households and single people who make between $15,000 and $60,000 a year.

Money is not infinitely expandable, but it is fungible. You can rob Peter to pay Paul, and that is what politics is all about except in those rare cases where the public good prevails or some liberal takes care of the poor and middle classes instead of servicing the super rich and the mass affluent.

Alberta is rich. Calgary and Edmonton are rich. They don't even have a sales tax because they can pretend the oil is never going to run out. They can afford to prevent floods and respond to them, and so they don't. They pamper the fat white cat buttocks with C-notes. And when I say pamper, I really mean Pamper(TM).

Calgary may not be quite as redneck as Red Deer (who could be? they have anti-Semites who have never seen a Jew). But the city is surrouned by suburbs and exurbs full of NIMBIES who won't pay for shiat and who demand three times the services for one third the taxes paid by their downtown children, siblings, and parents.

Literally. Back in the day, one of our more liberal mayors got taxes on renters down to 1.5 times the rate paid by suburban blood-sucking scum from 2 times, but it's probably closer to 3 times now. In other words, you pay through the nose to live in an apartment rather than an acre of lawn. But the suburbanites need miles of sewers, street lights, etc., more than the urbanites (but not sidewalks--sidewalks encourage other people, often the wrong sort of people, to move around).

Now get off our lawns!

It may take these stupid pr*cks a century to learn. They'll forget in ten or twenty. Until then, there's always schadenfreude, Nature's little compensator for malice, willful ignorance, and stupidity.

Remember the old saying "Let the Eastern Bastards Freeze in the Dark"? Well, some of us do. Fark you. Yes, you were living in Newfoundland at the time. But you've gone native, just like my western cousins.

BOOTSTRAPY! Have fun filling those sandbags because I will double my contributions to Canada's right coast parties if I have to pay one dead cent to bail you selfish greedy suburban fascists out.
 
2013-06-26 02:00:19 PM
Save your tears for the Indians.

But not the crooks who are running the reservations, or the drug gangs that are running them, or the other crooks who are in tight with the Feds, or those other other crooks who ... well, let's just say that six governments are too much for a village of less than 600 people and leave it at that.
 
2013-06-26 02:55:07 PM

brantgoose: BOOTSTRAPY! Have fun filling those sandbags because I will double my contributions to Canada's right coast parties if I have to pay one dead cent to bail you selfish greedy suburban fascists out.


That should be one "red" cent.

just FYI. not gonna mention the other 'P' in bootstrappy cause well, you seemed to be rollin'.
 
2013-06-26 04:37:49 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: So has acted on 13 of 16 recommendations = will perhaps act subby?

/I have been impacted by my favorite pub downtown being closed yesterday so yes I am feeling the pain.
//although working at home in a robe is kinda nice until the office is open.


Yeah, but as someone who has worked on projects with the govt in the past, their interpretation of implementing recommendations means the opposite.  I know of places they say are protected from development, but they expand logging and mineral exploration.  There is another project in the works under the guise of research, but is actually about how to increase water yields off the eastern slopes of the Rockies for industrial and commercial use.
 
2013-06-26 06:00:02 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: brantgoose: Spring coming 28 days earlier

Where in the hell are you talking about?  I work in the field a lot during the winter (for an environmental company, often drilling wells in the oilsands area) But seriously, winter was generally mild but damnit other than a warm streak in mid Feb it was frozen if anything quite late this year.

Seriously let's not pull GW out as the reason for the floods here.  It can be a contributing factor in long term climatic shifts but this was a very specific weather pattern that has occurred before.  After all the grounds that flooded are historical flood plains.  When they say once in a hundred year or 500 year flood they mean that.  It's happened before and hopefully it's that long until it happens again.


The irony is that this type of weather pattern has actually become rarer in the past several decades.  There was a weather network article on it a couple days ago, and this type of system caused floods in 1929 and 1932 in Calgary, but hasn't occured nearly as frequently or as severely since.

But I do have to applaud brantgoose.  As far as idealistic liberal dreamworld rants go, that was very impressive.
 
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