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2013-06-26 07:17:41 AM  
This is fine as a baseline for the oblivious sort of halfwit who just cruises in the left lane, although simply doubly the fines is probably too light of a penalty. I'd suggest starting with a base quadrupling of the fines. Then, the fine process would operate on a sliding scale if certain other "magnifying behaviors" were identified. These magnifying behaviors and some suggested penalties associated with them might include:

- Motorists whose presence in the left lane is not based on sheer, stupid obliviousness, but rather a deliberate choice (i.e., demonstrable intent). Double the quadruple fine.
- Motorists who combine left lane intent with passive-aggressive behavior toward motorists who approach from behind. This behavior might include subtly slowing down, tapping the brake pedals, or engaging windshield wipers for no reason. Triple the double quadrupled fine.
- Motorists who use other vehicles on the road to enhance their road blockage by driving just fast enough to catch up to a car on their right, then slowing down so that they drive parallel to it. Ten times the base fine plus a 1-month suspended license.
- Motorists who actually speed up in the left lane any time someone tries to pass them on the right. Ten times the base fine, 1-month suspension, 1 week in jail.
- Motorists who, when passed on the right, actually speed up so that they are now tailgating even though the passing driver is going faster than they were going originally. Twenty times the base fine, 2 months suspension, 2 weeks in jail.

Also, on those rare cases where you have a driver who was in the left lane, sees a car approaching from behind, and then moves over to let it by, if the overtaking driver then (upon finding himself out in front) drops to any speed below what the original driver was doing, the penalty shall be calculated at the maximum level and also have a mandatory 5-minute bamboo caning clause.
 
2013-06-26 07:17:48 AM  
Who you calling reckless, subby? It's not being reckless when everyone else won't get out of the damn way and let you through. THEY'RE the ones being reckless!
 
2013-06-26 07:21:18 AM  
The law is the law, no matter what lane you're in.
 
2013-06-26 08:05:40 AM  
The NJ Assembly (both sides) are nothing more than asshats. That is all.

/get a job
 
2013-06-26 08:06:36 AM  
You say this like they aren't the same person.
 
2013-06-26 08:09:20 AM  
It's not the speed, it is the difference in speed between the cars. So, if everyone sped up there would be no need to tailgait and everyone would be safer.
 
2013-06-26 08:12:17 AM  
This will be a reasonable discussion of driving habits and consequences I predict.

/bailing now
 
2013-06-26 08:16:14 AM  
As someone who almost missed his exit this morning because a Prius driver lost his nerve at 58 MPH while attempting to pass a tractor-trailer doing 57 MPH -- in a 65 MPH zone -- I'm getting a frothing, murderous rage out of this while I shop Craigslist Mogadishu for late-model RPGs.
 
2013-06-26 08:22:00 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: As someone who almost missed his exit this morning because a Prius driver lost his nerve at 58 MPH while attempting to pass a tractor-trailer doing 57 MPH -- in a 65 MPH zone -- I'm getting a frothing, murderous rage out of this while I shop Craigslist Mogadishu for late-model RPGs.


What EXIT!!

/jersey114
 
2013-06-26 08:37:24 AM  
NJ Bill would fine Pennsylvania and Canada drivers driving in NJ

/shorter headline for you Subby
 
2013-06-26 08:38:46 AM  

Bonkthat_Again: NJ Bill would fine Pennsylvania and Canada drivers driving in NJ

/shorter headline for you Subby


They already fine everyone for driving in NJ.  There is no way out of that state without going through a tollbooth.

/but it's worth it to leave.
 
2013-06-26 08:40:56 AM  

EvilEgg: /but it's worth it to leave.


Unless you go to New York where every bridge toll is $13.
 
2013-06-26 08:41:25 AM  
If they did this in MD, they could completely wipe out the state's budget deficit and go well into the black
within a fiscal year.

/Ah MD, where the blinker is optional equipment
 
2013-06-26 08:41:57 AM  
So long as we institute a lifetime driving ban on the assmongerers who think they're mario andretti in their 16 year old honda civic.
 
2013-06-26 08:44:18 AM  

Bonkthat_Again: EvilEgg: /but it's worth it to leave.

Unless you go to New York where every bridge toll is $13.


Your other options are Delaware or Pennsylvania, that's why NY gets away with that.
 
2013-06-26 08:46:23 AM  
I just pass those numbnuts on the right and go about my merry way instead of getting all pissed off and throwing a tantrum about it.
 
2013-06-26 08:53:21 AM  
If you're not passing anybody while in the right lane (besides speeders passing you on the right) get the fark out of it. Done.
 
2013-06-26 08:54:51 AM  

Pocket Ninja: This is fine as a baseline for the oblivious sort of halfwit who just cruises in the left lane,


Almost nailed it, but you forgot to address use/misuse of turn signals.

PN, let me know if you run for public office, you have my vote.
 
2013-06-26 08:54:51 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: If they did this in MD, they could completely wipe out the state's budget deficit and go well into the black
within a fiscal year.

/Ah MD, where the blinker is optional equipment


In Florida, the turn signal is a sign of weakness.
 
2013-06-26 08:55:47 AM  
Arseholes/Jackwagons V Bloodsucking Fine-loving Politicians.
 
2013-06-26 08:56:01 AM  

""One driver cruising along in the left lane can cause dozens of other drivers to become frustrated, leading to more incidents of aggressive driving and additional, unnecessary lane changes - which, in turn, lead to more accidents," he said."


There have been a lot of times where I've passed all traffic using the breakdown lane, though I know I shouldn't. But when all three lanes to the left are going the same exact speed and they aren't making it possible to pass except on the far right, what am I gonna do?

The amazing part is once I do pass that log jam of cars, that there is basically a 100 yard stretch where there are few cars until the next grouping of cars ahead of you.

 
2013-06-26 08:56:49 AM  
If you're not in the Right Lane, and you are being passed, you are not in the right lane.

also

good.
 
2013-06-26 08:57:15 AM  
They can pass all the laws they want, the average driver will just ignore them.

The only way to deal with this problem:

mimg.sulekha.com
 
2013-06-26 08:58:02 AM  

Pocket Ninja: This is fine as a baseline for the oblivious sort of halfwit who just cruises in the left lane, although simply doubly the fines is probably too light of a penalty. I'd suggest starting with a base quadrupling of the fines. Then, the fine process would operate on a sliding scale if certain other "magnifying behaviors" were identified. These magnifying behaviors and some suggested penalties associated with them might include:

- Motorists whose presence in the left lane is not based on sheer, stupid obliviousness, but rather a deliberate choice (i.e., demonstrable intent). Double the quadruple fine.
- Motorists who combine left lane intent with passive-aggressive behavior toward motorists who approach from behind. This behavior might include subtly slowing down, tapping the brake pedals, or engaging windshield wipers for no reason. Triple the double quadrupled fine.
- Motorists who use other vehicles on the road to enhance their road blockage by driving just fast enough to catch up to a car on their right, then slowing down so that they drive parallel to it. Ten times the base fine plus a 1-month suspended license.
- Motorists who actually speed up in the left lane any time someone tries to pass them on the right. Ten times the base fine, 1-month suspension, 1 week in jail.
- Motorists who, when passed on the right, actually speed up so that they are now tailgating even though the passing driver is going faster than they were going originally. Twenty times the base fine, 2 months suspension, 2 weeks in jail.

Also, on those rare cases where you have a driver who was in the left lane, sees a car approaching from behind, and then moves over to let it by, if the overtaking driver then (upon finding himself out in front) drops to any speed below what the original driver was doing, the penalty shall be calculated at the maximum level and also have a mandatory 5-minute bamboo caning clause.


Get out of my head!
 
2013-06-26 08:58:14 AM  
I don't know how it is in NJ, but in CT our police rarely if ever enforce that law.  I wish they would.  Our lazy farks sit in the car and let their license plate readers scan traffic for registration violations and speeding while they sleep on the side of the road.
 
2013-06-26 08:58:34 AM  
I said breakdown lane, but I meant the lane farthest to the right, not the breakdown lane. But even using that lane is unsafe with accident debris that may be there.
 
2013-06-26 08:58:50 AM  
Doesn't matter, most of the drivers in NJ pass on the right - even if the left lane is wide open.
 
2013-06-26 08:59:16 AM  

EvilEgg: Bonkthat_Again: NJ Bill would fine Pennsylvania and Canada drivers driving in NJ

/shorter headline for you Subby

They already fine everyone for driving in NJ.  There is no way out of that state without going through a tollbooth.

/but it's worth it to leave.


There are ways out of NJ that don't involve a toll.  Most of them involve small bridges over the Delaware river.

That said, can we have a law to autokill truck drivers who get in the left lane while going uphill, effectively blocking traffic.
 
2013-06-26 08:59:44 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: As someone who almost missed his exit this morning because a Prius driver lost his nerve at 58 MPH while attempting to pass a tractor-trailer doing 57 MPH -- in a 65 MPH zone -- I'm getting a frothing, murderous rage out of this while I shop Craigslist Mogadishu for late-model RPGs.


As the driver of a Prius, I would have to say that I would also be in a murderous rage if I was in your shoes.

/Always at least 5 over the limit...
 
2013-06-26 09:00:54 AM  
Alan Dean Foster had it right in "Why Johnny Can't Speed."
 
2013-06-26 09:01:48 AM  

EvilEgg: Bonkthat_Again: NJ Bill would fine Pennsylvania and Canada drivers driving in NJ

/shorter headline for you Subby

They already fine everyone for driving in NJ.  There is no way out of that state without going through a tollbooth.

/but it's worth it to leave.


The bridge I use between PA and NJ has no toll and is subsidized by people who pay tolls on other bridges.
 
2013-06-26 09:01:57 AM  
Fast lane is the furthest one on the right, duh.
 
2013-06-26 09:02:18 AM  
good, now please enforce the damn law

spelletrader: Doesn't matter, most of the drivers in NJ pass on the right - even if the left lane is wide open.


I've seen it happen, but not that often where I'd say "most"
 
2013-06-26 09:02:22 AM  
Hey, I'm in favor of this. What's more, I want laws against everything else that annoys me, including backing into parking spaces and mowing your lawn on the diagonal.
 
2013-06-26 09:02:29 AM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: I don't know how it is in NJ, but in CT our police rarely if ever enforce that law.  I wish they would.  Our lazy farks sit in the car and let their license plate readers scan traffic for registration violations and speeding while they sleep on the side of the road.


I love the staties for that. Whenever I'm on Route 8 I see them at their speedtraps, but you can clearly see they're goofing off on their phones.
 
2013-06-26 09:02:57 AM  

Luther924s: DjangoStonereaver: If they did this in MD, they could completely wipe out the state's budget deficit and go well into the black
within a fiscal year.

/Ah MD, where the blinker is optional equipment

In Florida, the turn signal is a sign of weakness.


In Miami this week for work. Atlanta has more traffic, but you guys are crazy.
 
2013-06-26 09:03:03 AM  
I live in the mountainous autonomous zone between ny, ma, and vermont. It's an "interesting" area where driving cultures clash. I assume NY drivers share similar habits as the NJ ones, they most self entitled douchebags out of the 3 groups.

Traits of a NY driver: Put your high beams on if it is dark out even if there is a car is in front of you. Takes a left turn by swinging all the way to the right side of the lane like you are driving a tractor trailer consequently nobody passes a stopped car on the right even with a huge breakdown lane. Drive slow in the fast lane, doesn't understand when there is a hill the 2 lanes are for slower traffic and faster traffic not just for fun.

Traits of a MA driver: Will pass on the right when a car is stopped even if that means driving on someone's lawn. When a light turns yellow it means gun it when a light turns red it means run it if it has been red for less than a couple seconds. Will create a fast lane out of the breakdown lane on the highway when necessary.

Traits of a VT driver: pretty much the same as the MA ones minus the breakdown lane thing, they don't have enough traffic for that and tailgating them is dangerous because a piece of their beater car might fly off at any moment.
 
2013-06-26 09:03:12 AM  
So, let me get this straight, I am on the left lane, driving 70 on a 70. I will be fined because I didn't move out of the way for someone who wants to break the law and drive 80?

Unless the left lane is designated for passing only (like on a two lane freeway), I should be able to drive on any lane I damn please as long as I am driving at the max speed.

If you want to speed find your own damn way, I am not going to help you in anyway to break the law.
 
2013-06-26 09:04:28 AM  

Giltric: EvilEgg: Bonkthat_Again: NJ Bill would fine Pennsylvania and Canada drivers driving in NJ

/shorter headline for you Subby

They already fine everyone for driving in NJ.  There is no way out of that state without going through a tollbooth.

/but it's worth it to leave.

The bridge I use between PA and NJ has no toll and is subsidized by people who pay tolls on other bridges.


Free bridge off of 22?

It was like the worlds best secret
 
2013-06-26 09:04:30 AM  
Pocket Ninja:
- Motorists who actually speed up in the left lane any time someone tries to pass them on the right. Ten times the base fine, 1-month suspension, 1 week in jail.
- Motorists who, when passed on the right, actually speed up so that they are now tailgating even though the passing driver is going faster than they were going originally. Twenty times the base fine, 2 months suspension, 2 weeks in jail.


As someone with a 102-mile (each way) commute, I wholeheartedly agree with these two.  I am by no means an aggressive driver, but OMFG these two situations make me seriously contemplate ramming the asshat perpetrators.

/I drive 75-78 in the hammer lane on a 70MPH speed limit.  If someone's rolling up on me, I get over and let them pass.  Everyone's happy.
//Folks who camp out in the hammer lane at 60-65, pacing a dump truck or some shiat, should be shot.
///These same folks who then get pissy when I pass them should be shot twice.
 
2013-06-26 09:05:10 AM  

Fast Talkin Fanny: Hey, I'm in favor of this. What's more, I want laws against everything else that annoys me, including backing into parking spaces and mowing your lawn on the diagonal.


Backing into parking spaces makes exiting them faster and safer.
Mowing on the diagonal just makes your lawn look better. If you are opposed to that, then you probably have crabgrass and dandelions.
 
2013-06-26 09:05:40 AM  
I drove from southern Holland to Amsterdam on a four-lane expressway. It was absolute bliss, other than the areas with speed cameras (which all had advance warning signage). All the cars were in the right lane, except when they dipped out to pass. Traffic flow was about ten times smoother than it ever is here.

/They have massive fines for left lane hogging.
 
2013-06-26 09:06:08 AM  
If we're all going the speed limit, who is doing all of this passing?
 
2013-06-26 09:06:20 AM  
This is fine as a baseline for the oblivious sort of halfwit who just cruises in the left lane, although simply doubly the fines is probably too light of a penalty. I'd suggest starting with a base quadrupling of the fines. Then, the fine process would operate on a sliding scale if certain other "magnifying behaviors" were identified. These magnifying behaviors and some suggested penalties associated with them might include:

- Motorists whose presence in the left lane is not based on sheer, stupid obliviousness, but rather a deliberate choice (i.e., demonstrable intent). Double the quadruple fine.
- Motorists who combine left lane intent with passive-aggressive behavior toward motorists who approach from behind. This behavior might include subtly slowing down, tapping the brake pedals, or engaging windshield wipers for no reason. Triple the double quadrupled fine.
- Motorists who use other vehicles on the road to enhance their road blockage by driving just fast enough to catch up to a car on their right, then slowing down so that they drive parallel to it. Ten times the base fine plus a 1-month suspended license.
- Motorists who actually speed up in the left lane any time someone tries to pass them on the right. Ten times the base fine, 1-month suspension, 1 week in jail.
- Motorists who, when passed on the right, actually speed up so that they are now tailgating even though the passing driver is going faster than they were going originally. Twenty times the base fine, 2 months suspension, 2 weeks in jail.

Also, on those rare cases where you have a driver who was in the left lane, sees a car approaching from behind, and then moves over to let it by, if the overtaking driver then (upon finding himself out in front) drops to any speed below what the original driver was doing, the penalty shall be calculated at the maximum level and also have a mandatory 5-minute bamboo caning clause.


You're getting my vote for president.
Of Earth.
/screw Nixon.
 
2013-06-26 09:06:37 AM  

skinink: ""One driver cruising along in the left lane can cause dozens of other drivers to become frustrated, leading to more incidents of aggressive driving and additional, unnecessary lane changes - which, in turn, lead to more accidents," he said."


I've always hated this argument because it's basically saying "Look. These frustrated drivers have absolutely no self control and allow a temporary inconvenience to escalate into a dangerous situation"
 
2013-06-26 09:06:50 AM  

Aarontology: I just pass those numbnuts on the right and go about my merry way instead of getting all pissed off and throwing a tantrum about it.


You've clearly never been pulled over by an unmarked cop car and then been screamed at for "endangering the other drivers on the road" for doing that.
 
2013-06-26 09:07:04 AM  

Pocket Ninja: This is fine as a baseline for the oblivious sort of halfwit who just cruises in the left lane, although simply doubly the fines is probably too light of a penalty. I'd suggest starting with a base quadrupling of the fines. Then, the fine process would operate on a sliding scale if certain other "magnifying behaviors" were identified. These magnifying behaviors and some suggested penalties associated with them might include:

- Motorists whose presence in the left lane is not based on sheer, stupid obliviousness, but rather a deliberate choice (i.e., demonstrable intent). Double the quadruple fine.
- Motorists who combine left lane intent with passive-aggressive behavior toward motorists who approach from behind. This behavior might include subtly slowing down, tapping the brake pedals, or engaging windshield wipers for no reason. Triple the double quadrupled fine.
- Motorists who use other vehicles on the road to enhance their road blockage by driving just fast enough to catch up to a car on their right, then slowing down so that they drive parallel to it. Ten times the base fine plus a 1-month suspended license.
- Motorists who actually speed up in the left lane any time someone tries to pass them on the right. Ten times the base fine, 1-month suspension, 1 week in jail.
- Motorists who, when passed on the right, actually speed up so that they are now tailgating even though the passing driver is going faster than they were going originally. Twenty times the base fine, 2 months suspension, 2 weeks in jail.

Also, on those rare cases where you have a driver who was in the left lane, sees a car approaching from behind, and then moves over to let it by, if the overtaking driver then (upon finding himself out in front) drops to any speed below what the original driver was doing, the penalty shall be calculated at the maximum level and also have a mandatory 5-minute bamboo caning clause.


You have my vote
 
2013-06-26 09:07:25 AM  

Pocket Ninja: This is fine as a baseline for the oblivious sort of halfwit who just cruises in the left lane, although simply doubly the fines is probably too light of a penalty. I'd suggest starting with a base quadrupling of the fines. Then, the fine process would operate on a sliding scale if certain other "magnifying behaviors" were identified. These magnifying behaviors and some suggested penalties associated with them might include:

- Motorists whose presence in the left lane is not based on sheer, stupid obliviousness, but rather a deliberate choice (i.e., demonstrable intent). Double the quadruple fine.
- Motorists who combine left lane intent with passive-aggressive behavior toward motorists who approach from behind. This behavior might include subtly slowing down, tapping the brake pedals, or engaging windshield wipers for no reason. Triple the double quadrupled fine.
- Motorists who use other vehicles on the road to enhance their road blockage by driving just fast enough to catch up to a car on their right, then slowing down so that they drive parallel to it. Ten times the base fine plus a 1-month suspended license.
- Motorists who actually speed up in the left lane any time someone tries to pass them on the right. Ten times the base fine, 1-month suspension, 1 week in jail.
- Motorists who, when passed on the right, actually speed up so that they are now tailgating even though the passing driver is going faster than they were going originally. Twenty times the base fine, 2 months suspension, 2 weeks in jail.

Also, on those rare cases where you have a driver who was in the left lane, sees a car approaching from behind, and then moves over to let it by, if the overtaking driver then (upon finding himself out in front) drops to any speed below what the original driver was doing, the penalty shall be calculated at the maximum level and also have a mandatory 5-minute bamboo caning clause.


So you're one of the speeding assholes who wants to hit 70 in the left lane.  Got it.

Every time I see the "passing lane" myth folks pipe up, they never have an answer for why you're supposed to break the law if you're in the left lane by speeding.  Just OMG GET OUY OF MY WAY LEFT LANE FOR SPEEDING SLOWPOKE even when you point out that driving 65 in the left lane is passing people who are following the law and not speeding.  But, I'm sure they'll be completely rational today.  Heh.
 
2013-06-26 09:07:37 AM  

mayIFark: So, let me get this straight, I am on the left lane, driving 70 on a 70. I will be fined because I didn't move out of the way for someone who wants to break the law and drive 80?

Unless the left lane is designated for passing only (like on a two lane freeway), I should be able to drive on any lane I damn please as long as I am driving at the max speed.

If you want to speed find your own damn way, I am not going to help you in anyway to break the law.


That's exactly what it is.
 
2013-06-26 09:07:39 AM  

mayIFark: So, let me get this straight, I am on the left lane, driving 70 on a 70. I will be fined because I didn't move out of the way for someone who wants to break the law and drive 80?

Unless the left lane is designated for passing only (like on a two lane freeway), I should be able to drive on any lane I damn please as long as I am driving at the max speed.

If you want to speed find your own damn way, I am not going to help you in anyway to break the law.


Do no stay in the left lane if you are going ot go exactly the speed limit you old lady.
 
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