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(Miami Herald)   "It took nearly 30 officers to dispense the group of more than 200 teenagers, who responded to a social media posting encouraging people to gather at the mall for no reason"   (miamiherald.com) divider line 95
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2013-06-26 03:48:45 AM

omeganuepsilon: Notabunny: omeganuepsilon: More people that you can justly worry about based on their clothes/appearance:
/don't know if it's still applicable today tho

I remember reading the unhinged rants of some libtard who said, "The measure of a civilization is how it treats its weakest members,"

/moran

That guy was also a borderline pedophile and racist.

Of course a guy like that is going to preach peace love and harmony and OH DEAR GOD PLEASE DON'T BEAT THE shiat OUT OF ME.


Sorry. That's not the safe word.
 
2013-06-26 03:50:38 AM
I think they were waiting for Beck and Hanson, Courtney Love and Marilyn Manson to come around
 
2013-06-26 03:52:25 AM
Wow, some people need to go to bed.

Also, no Robbin Sparkles?
 
2013-06-26 04:01:01 AM

Abacus9: omeganuepsilon: Abacus9: Yes, they should be looking for suspicious behavior

200 of them showing up, and some having a fight doesn't qualify as suspicious to you?
(and you're still on about suspicious clothes? get off your cross)

You should really work on your reading comprehension. I said it was suspicious, and that were rightly kicked out. I was responding to something someone else said about skin color and clothes. Seriously, I've never seen you contribute anything of value to any thread, ever. Just go away.


My bad, I mistook the following

Abacus9: Agreed, but I don't see the point in comparing loitering teenagers to 9/11 terrorists.


I thought you were implying that loitering teenagers[conveniently leaving out the 200] was not suspicious.
___
But clothes, well, you're still farked in the head there.

I know where you're going with it, but you're really pushing it, so I'll go there.

The infamous (and retarded)hoody argument.

The hoody itself isn't necessarily so bad on an individual, you've still got to judge based on actions.

But remember, he was talking about large groups.  200 kids in regular clothes vs hoodies and bandana's over the face and dark glasses.  If that doesn't raise the suspicion just a tiny bit, you've got a screw loose.

Typically, unless it's a protest(or happens to be really cold out), people hiding their faces in public in large numbers are not the most peaceable sorts.

Call him out on the race thing, sure.  That's valid enough.  But clothes?  Your foot was so far down your mouth you could clip your toenails and wipe at the same time.
 
2013-06-26 04:08:46 AM

omeganuepsilon: The hoody itself isn't necessarily so bad on an individual, you've still got to judge based on actions.

But remember, he was talking about large groups. 200 kids in regular clothes vs hoodies and bandana's over the face and dark glasses. If that doesn't raise the suspicion just a tiny bit, you've got a screw loose.


This is what I was getting at. And yes, 200 kids wearing anything and just showing up is suspicious.
 
2013-06-26 04:08:52 AM
I bet the person responsible for social media for the mall is banging their head on their desk right now. "You mean I got 200 kids to come to the mall on a slow day... and you SENT THEM AWAY?"
 
2013-06-26 04:10:17 AM
omeganuepsilon,
Call him out on the race thing, sure. That's valid enough. But clothes? Your foot was so far down your mouth you could clip your toenails and wipe at the same time.

I at least intended to say clothes and race. Just take a look at the youtube videos of flashmob thefts.

But if you look at my first notes I also said assuming someone is bad just because of race is stupid too. And making guesses on one person based on clothing vs a group are two different things.
 
2013-06-26 04:24:27 AM

Abacus9: omeganuepsilon: The hoody itself isn't necessarily so bad on an individual, you've still got to judge based on actions.

But remember, he was talking about large groups. 200 kids in regular clothes vs hoodies and bandana's over the face and dark glasses. If that doesn't raise the suspicion just a tiny bit, you've got a screw loose.

This is what I was getting at. And yes, 200 kids wearing anything and just showing up is suspicious.


Not if they're all dressed like this:
www.foodiggity.com

/was going to include either the pope or wynona ryder under judging people as suspicious, but it kept eating pics

Enemabag Jones: I also said assuming someone is bad just because of race is stupid too.


I know, I was simply saying it was worth discussion.  the clothes argument, not so much
Over all, I think due to poor wording we all misunderstood and trolled eachother.

Still don't think race+clothes matter(or numbers) matters.

The one exception would be in a sizable town that simply doesn't have that many black people living there(random midwest town where it's 90% white).  Just like a bunch of white guys all walking into a bar in a heavily black neighborhood.  A bunch of obvious rednecks walking into the biggest gay club in SF.

Anyone would raise an eyebrow in any similar non-common encounter as such.
 
2013-06-26 04:37:10 AM

omeganuepsilon: Over all, I think due to poor wording we all misunderstood and trolled eachother.


Yup, we can all facepalm ourselves over that.

The one exception would be in a sizable town that simply doesn't have that many black people living there(random midwest town where it's 90% white). Just like a bunch of white guys all walking into a bar in a heavily black neighborhood. A bunch of obvious rednecks walking into the biggest gay club in SF.

Anyone would raise an eyebrow in any similar non-common encounter as such.


Maybe, but as long as they don't do anything suspicious, what's the problem?
 
2013-06-26 04:43:49 AM
Abacus9
Maybe, but as long as they don't do anything suspicious, what's the problem?

Agreed.  Then again this is mall security freaking out and calling cops because they are being defensive.   You see this in security/law enforcement/TSA, ect.
 
2013-06-26 04:59:59 AM

Abacus9: And yes, 200 kids wearing anything and just showing up is suspicious.


Why is age relevant here? Would 200 adults showing up be less suspicious?
 
2013-06-26 05:02:26 AM

Abacus9: omeganuepsilon: Over all, I think due to poor wording we all misunderstood and trolled eachother.

Yup, we can all facepalm ourselves over that.

The one exception would be in a sizable town that simply doesn't have that many black people living there(random midwest town where it's 90% white). Just like a bunch of white guys all walking into a bar in a heavily black neighborhood. A bunch of obvious rednecks walking into the biggest gay club in SF.

Anyone would raise an eyebrow in any similar non-common encounter as such.

Maybe, but as long as they don't do anything suspicious, what's the problem?


No problem per se, but being suspicious that it just seems out of place could save property, someone from getting the shiat kicked out of them or killed.

Not call 911 suspicious, but be prepared to.  Atypical people entering an establishment, especially groups, is commonly a sign of trouble. Prejudice, sure, but not exactly racist.
 
2013-06-26 05:07:52 AM

profplump: Abacus9: And yes, 200 kids wearing anything and just showing up is suspicious.

Why is age relevant here? Would 200 adults showing up be less suspicious?


200 adults is far less common. Adults in numbers that large are not prone to do the same stupid things kids do(shoplift/prank), they get into entirely different kinds of stupid.  and the article was about kids, so......
 
2013-06-26 05:17:26 AM

omeganuepsilon: Abacus9: omeganuepsilon: Over all, I think due to poor wording we all misunderstood and trolled eachother.

Yup, we can all facepalm ourselves over that.

The one exception would be in a sizable town that simply doesn't have that many black people living there(random midwest town where it's 90% white). Just like a bunch of white guys all walking into a bar in a heavily black neighborhood. A bunch of obvious rednecks walking into the biggest gay club in SF.

Anyone would raise an eyebrow in any similar non-common encounter as such.

Maybe, but as long as they don't do anything suspicious, what's the problem?

No problem per se, but being suspicious that it just seems out of place could save property, someone from getting the shiat kicked out of them or killed.

Not call 911 suspicious, but be prepared to.  Atypical people entering an establishment, especially groups, is commonly a sign of trouble. Prejudice, sure, but not exactly racist.


Absolutely. I wouldn't have them kicked out for no reason, but I'd definitely keep an eye on them.

profplump: Abacus9: And yes, 200 kids wearing anything and just showing up is suspicious.

Why is age relevant here? Would 200 adults showing up be less suspicious?


Not really, just that these were kids. That many adults all showing up at once would be suspicious too.
 
2013-06-26 05:35:42 AM

Enemabag Jones: Take a look at some of the videos where they have flash mobs that walk out with goods. I think you will see a common element in how most of those kids dress.


Is it at all like this?

static.guim.co.uk
 
2013-06-26 05:37:02 AM
bluraymedia.ign.com

"Note to self--proofread your emails."
 
2013-06-26 05:50:40 AM
Maybe one of  the merchants sent the social media posting.  You know, for customers?
 
2013-06-26 06:05:30 AM
Gathering with intent to hang out, aggravated window shopping, tweeting in a public area.  Anarchy.
 
2013-06-26 06:14:42 AM
I live reasonably close to Lauderhill.  I avoid it because it is a really crappy area.  If 200 "youths" from Lauderhill were all congregated in one place I would not walk - I would run - the other direction
 
2013-06-26 06:16:25 AM
Gordon Bennett,
Enemabag Jones: Take a look at some of the videos where they have flash mobs that walk out with goods. I think you will see a common element in how most of those kids dress.
Is it at all like this?


That is silly. They need to look for orange jumpsuits.

/Look at videos on youtube of flashmob thefts and go from there.
 
2013-06-26 06:44:35 AM
I have a teen dispenser in my basement. It's awesome
 
2013-06-26 06:50:33 AM

AppleOptionEsc: ParagonComplex: I wonder if I could encourage people via social media to give me copious amounts of cash for no apparent reason? That'd be pretty great. Don't steal my idea. Actually, I'm not greedy, let's pool our collective social engineering skills, coupled with the power of Fark, and get even more money.

They already invented Kickstarter.


No no.   We form a charity, and simply assign ourselves salaries in the range of... 20% of revenue.  Then we pay companies we own another 40% for uh... "advertising".   The rest we spend on stuff to disperse for the charity... most of which we steal and sell through a 3rd party, and a little we'll send out to the proper charity recipients... preferably somewhere shiatty where no auditor will want to travel to.

Sound good?
 
2013-06-26 06:53:13 AM
"It took nearly 30 officers to dispense the group of more than 200 teenagers"

They were giving away teenagers at the mall and nobody told me?  Social media my a**!
 
2013-06-26 07:19:48 AM
Must of been a helicopter traffic jam at the mall.
 
2013-06-26 07:24:28 AM

fusillade762: Beaver1224: I'm confused.  Why did they need to chase the teenagers away?  Were they causing problems?  Was it just scary having 200 kids hanging around?

Recently there have been stories about flashmob bandits. Groups of teenagers will converge on a store and just start stealing stuff. Since there's so many there's no way security can nab all of them. Not saying that's what was happening here, but that's what they might have been worried about.


That's called "Steaming" in Britain. It's quite common.

Yobbos.
 
2013-06-26 07:30:37 AM
"A small fight broke out inside the mall injuring one teenager."

This is the kind of editing fail that cutbacks promote.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/25/3470265/police-break-up-teens-g a thering.html#storylink=cpy"
 
2013-06-26 07:56:02 AM
I can only speak for the early 90s ( and I highly doubt it has improved ) but for those not familiar with this "mall", its as much a mall as Walmart is a department store on par with Neiman Marcus or Bloomingdales.

It was the kind of place you remember having a child support agency, two shiatty stores and everything closed down.
 
2013-06-26 08:23:13 AM

omeganuepsilon: profplump: Abacus9: And yes, 200 kids wearing anything and just showing up is suspicious.

Why is age relevant here? Would 200 adults showing up be less suspicious?

200 adults is far less common. Adults in numbers that large are not prone to do the same stupid things kids do(shoplift/prank), they get into entirely different kinds of stupid.  and the article was about kids, so......


Also as this story proves, you can get 200 teens stupid enough to show up for absolutely no reason.  However, there is now 200 kids who just learned to maybe think before responding to a pointless request.  Or maybe not, some may take a few more tries to teach them that lesson.

And to top it off, they were probably pissed to learn they weren't getting anything free.  Nothing given to them from the mall or the police telling them to shoo.

Just had a discussion with my 12 yro, he said our house isn't a dictatorship.  I informed him very clearly that it is a dictatorship.  I also pointed out the house is not capitalist, meaning I don't pay him to behave well.
 
2013-06-26 08:47:33 AM
30 officers? Seriously? Could they not have recruited a couple moms? Or announce giveaways at Hot Topic? Have one of those nets to snatch them up when they crossed the door?
 
2013-06-26 08:55:59 AM

rosemary's baby daddy: I live reasonably close to Lauderhill.  I avoid it because it is a really crappy area.  If 200 "youths" from Lauderhill were all congregated in one place I would not walk - I would run - the other direction


This. I live in Sunrise and grew up in East Lauderhill(yikes). Trust me, you want the cops breaking up this gathering.
 
2013-06-26 09:04:35 AM
themindiswatching [TotalFark]

This is one of them "flash mobs", isn't it? FreeRepublic told me they were no good.

Oh look, some moon-bat total Farker misrepresenting the facts.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2013/06/25/social-media-post-may-have-spark e d-mall-melee/
As the crowd pushed inside, someone used a large traffic cone to hit someone.

Inside the mall teens squared off to fight while a security officer walked by.

The video shows teens running and screaming through the mall.

Battery (with a weapon)

Disturbing the peace (Running/screaming inside stores)

Yeah just ebil conserbatives just picking on innocent angels. Probably racist too.
 
2013-06-26 09:24:18 AM
"The police presence was meant to show that we would not tolerate anyone breaking the law," he [Police Lt. Mike Butkus] said.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/25/3470265/police-break-up-teens-g a thering.html#storylink=cpy
It was very kind of him to avoid explaining exactly  whichlaw was being broken.
 
2013-06-26 09:37:31 AM
"Teens" gosta ack up.
 
2013-06-26 09:48:24 AM
"Officers are hanging around to make sure no one comes back."

api.ning.com

Only morans go to the mall.
 
2013-06-26 09:58:09 AM

Beaver1224: I'm confused.  Why did they need to chase the teenagers away?  Were they causing problems?  Was it just scary having 200 kids hanging around?




chihuahuasrule.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-26 10:00:40 AM

omeganuepsilon: C18H27NO3: Lith: It's florida, you don't want to have that much stupidity congregate.

Good thing Florida is 65,000 square miles then. It spreads their population out just enough.

Not quite, otherwise we wouldn't have a Florida tag.

fusillade762: Beaver1224: I'm confused.  Why did they need to chase the teenagers away?  Were they causing problems?  Was it just scary having 200 kids hanging around?

Recently there have been stories about flashmob bandits. Groups of teenagers will converge on a store and just start stealing stuff. Since there's so many there's no way security can nab all of them. Not saying that's what was happening here, but that's what they might have been worried about.

Also, there was a fight.


There was a fight every weekend at the mall near me.
 
2013-06-26 10:57:15 AM

THX 1138: "The police presence was meant to show that we would not tolerate anyone breaking the law," he [Police Lt. Mike Butkus] said.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/06/25/3470265/police-break-up-teens-g a thering.html#storylink=cpy
It was very kind of him to avoid explaining exactly  whichlaw was being broken.


Making an affray to the terror and disturbance of the public peace, for the fighty ones. For the rest, mopery with intent to creep is the usual bogus cover-all.

I can see breaking up the fight with a warning, even demanding those involved leave the mall and any crowds to disperse, depending on the severity. Getting 200 kids to show up and fight just by sending a text seems highly unlikely without some form of compensation or conditioning, though. But let's face it, any kind of organization by people who normally are only told what to do will frighten authorities, violent or not, and these days frightening authorities is itself an unofficially official crime, punishable by officially unofficial arrest and specifically indefinite incarceration, legal illegal search and even seizure. And I don't just mean confiscation of property, I'm talking grand mal stuff, or an electrically-stimulated simulation thereof.
 
2013-06-26 10:58:59 AM
I just saw 200 people arrive at the same place all dressed the same way I'm calling 911.


thejourneyfortruth.files.wordpress.com

All in cardigans, polyester slacks and comfortable footwear.
 
2013-06-26 11:12:01 AM
from the amount of fellows arrested for B&E and other related crimes in my city I am certain more than a few of them were there to commit crimes

/i think a fight would be a good distraction
 
2013-06-26 11:30:26 AM

profplump: Abacus9: And yes, 200 kids wearing anything and just showing up is suspicious.

Why is age relevant here? Would 200 adults showing up be less suspicious?


200 people showing up naked would just be odd.
 
2013-06-26 11:52:04 AM

MikeBoomshadow: profplump: Abacus9: And yes, 200 kids wearing anything and just showing up is suspicious.

Why is age relevant here? Would 200 adults showing up be less suspicious?

200 people showing up naked would just be odd.



It could just be a good start.
 
2013-06-26 01:02:36 PM
tctechcrunch2011.files.wordpress.com

Subby, Pez.
 
2013-06-26 01:49:26 PM

AppleOptionEsc: They already invented Kickstarter.


Good one!
 
2013-06-26 02:16:05 PM
Cops are dispensing teenagers? The mental image is slightly scarring.
 
2013-06-26 06:29:01 PM
Was the idea put in the form of a song?

editorial.sidereel.com


meanmutton: Wow, some people need to go to bed.

Also, no Robbin Sparkles?


I was amazed by that as well, so figured I'd fix it.
 
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