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(Orlando Sentinel)   Good news: Your state is well on its way to breaking a record. Bad news: It's for most children killed because their parents left them in a hot car   (orlandosentinel.com) divider line 51
    More: Florida, Richard Schwamm, San Francisco State University, child deaths  
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2013-06-26 05:14:36 AM
Look on the bright side. They probably weren't going to be raised right anyway.
 
2013-06-26 05:18:20 AM
Just think of it as very late term abortion, they're not really people. Right?
 
2013-06-26 05:21:26 AM
I imagine it would be either Florida, Texas or California.
 
2013-06-26 05:22:20 AM
What kind of f*cker goes around counting all the kids trapped in hot cars for a living?
 
2013-06-26 05:23:29 AM
Ugh, imagine the smell on the interior?
No way those cars will ever smell right again with all that funk going on, may as well torch it and get another, car and kid.
We could maybe add some dignity to the proceedings by naming it something spiritual, how about Cherub BBQ?
 
2013-06-26 05:25:19 AM
WOOO! Way to go Florida! Fry those brains!
 
2013-06-26 05:36:05 AM
Ban abortions, what do you mean that want help?
/sorry
 
2013-06-26 05:44:48 AM

thamike: What kind of f*cker goes around counting all the kids trapped in hot cars for a living?


You sound threatened.
 
2013-06-26 05:51:01 AM

August11: thamike: What kind of f*cker goes around counting all the kids trapped in hot cars for a living?

You sound threatened.


You sound decaffeinated.
 
2013-06-26 05:59:53 AM
And Al Gore finally takes his revenge.
 
2013-06-26 06:05:08 AM
Dead baby thread!

i.imgur.com
 
2013-06-26 06:06:49 AM

mike_d85: And Al Gore finally takes his revenge.


I thought his revenge was pandery appearances on Futurama, along with his daughters lackluster writing?
 
2013-06-26 06:09:46 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if the number of kids/babies left in a car far exceeds the number of pets left in the car

/dnrtfa
 
2013-06-26 06:12:31 AM

robohobo: mike_d85: And Al Gore finally takes his revenge.

I thought his revenge was pandery appearances on Futurama, along with his daughters lackluster writing?


No. He was just lonely.
 
2013-06-26 06:16:13 AM
"Statistics show that about 18 percent of children who die of heatstroke were intentionally left behind, Schwamm said. A little more than half were unintentionally forgotten by a caregiver and about 30 percent locked themselves inside of a car, he said"

/how the fark do you "unintentionally" forget you left the baby/kid you're taking care of in the car, they're not keys you accidentally locked in
 
2013-06-26 06:26:40 AM
15 out of 300,000,000?  I'm ok with this.
 
2013-06-26 06:27:55 AM

lewismarktwo: I imagine it would be either Florida, Texas or California.


I have a feeling that this has less to do with local residents, and more with tourists not understanding just how dangerous the heat can be.

I mean in Canada it's considered safer to leave kids in the car than to risk them getting mauled by a pack of hungry beavers in the parking lot.

Once a mother Canadian is surrounded by a pack, her only real choice is to toss one of her young to into the pack as a sacrificial lamb and then make a break for it with the remaining young.

/We still miss you Jamie :(
 
2013-06-26 06:36:53 AM

No Time To Explain: "Statistics show that about 18 percent of children who die of heatstroke were intentionally left behind, Schwamm said. A little more than half were unintentionally forgotten by a caregiver and about 30 percent locked themselves inside of a car, he said"

/how the fark do you "unintentionally" forget you left the baby/kid you're taking care of in the car, they're not keys you accidentally locked in


There are a large number of articles dedicated to the subject trying to justify it... I personally believe the overwhelming majority of "accidental" leavings are the direct result of substance abuse, and its just usually very hard to prove it.  But I read some agonizing stories.. like a guy who somehow forgot to drop his kid at daycare and left him in the car at work... his car alarm went off like  three times and he just kept turning it off remotely "because i looked out the window and didnt see anybody near the car".  I dont know how he didnt kill himself from the guilt.

farking morons belong in prison, "accident" or not.
 
2013-06-26 06:53:50 AM
from tfa: "The laws that should punish the caregivers are too weak," he said. "The laws that are intended to prevent it are not working. Our legislators are not doing enough to evoke change."

wtf! SURELY this isn;t happening because parents arent that bothered about the jail time!

in other news, I don't even like children and yet reading that article made me feel shaky and weird. 49 kids died in hot cars in 2010!
 
2013-06-26 06:55:26 AM

No Time To Explain: /how the fark do you "unintentionally" forget you left the baby/kid you're taking care of in the car


Same way you forget to turn off the stove and your house burns down.

It's exhaustion - the real kind, not the Lohan kind. I never left my kids in the car like that, but I have never been so tired in my life as when my kids were babies. You put the kid in the car, they fall asleep, you're such a sleep-deprived zombie that you space off the kid. Usually you can compensate for the sleep deprivation by going on autopilot, but good farking luck if there's a change in schedules one day.
 
2013-06-26 07:07:17 AM
FTFA: Florida law allows a parent to leave a child younger than 6 alone in a car for up to 15 minutes if the engine has been turned off.

Heatstroke happens when body temperature rises to dangerous levels and the body cannot cool itself quickly enough. If parked in direct sunlight, temperatures inside a car can spike as much as 20 degrees within 10 minutes.


So, uh, maybe the law needs to change to not allow them to leave them so long?
 
hej
2013-06-26 07:13:27 AM
My child demands to be left in the car alone when ever I go to a store.  What's a parent to do??
 
2013-06-26 07:19:43 AM
No Time To Explain:

/how the fark do you "unintentionally" forget you left the baby/kid you're taking care of in the car, they're not keys you accidentally locked in


Meth & pills would be the most likely causes, at least in the Tampa area.
 
2013-06-26 07:21:11 AM

hej: My child demands to be left in the car alone when ever I go to a store.  What's a parent to do??


Thank your lucky stars.
 
2013-06-26 07:39:28 AM
Gulper Eel:
It's exhaustion - the real kind, not the Lohan kind. I never left my kids in the car like that, but I have never been so tired in my life as when my kids were babies. You put the kid in the car, they fall asleep, you're such a sleep-deprived zombie that you space off the kid. Usually you can compensate for the sleep deprivation by going on autopilot, but good farking luck if there's a change in schedules one day.

I always assume this is the explanation.  People run themselves into the ground because they are expected to give work 150% of their resources, while children naturally expect the other 150%.  Couple this with the fact that unless you live in rural Montana, both parents have to work to generate enough income to live decently, and it's a recipe for disaster.

Honestly, I've let my daughter sleep in the car in our driveway if she falls asleep on the drive home.  But the windows are always all down, she gets a check every couple of minutes, and I still feel paranoid about it.
 
2013-06-26 07:42:53 AM

Alonjar: No Time To Explain: "Statistics show that about 18 percent of children who die of heatstroke were intentionally left behind, Schwamm said. A little more than half were unintentionally forgotten by a caregiver and about 30 percent locked themselves inside of a car, he said"

/how the fark do you "unintentionally" forget you left the baby/kid you're taking care of in the car, they're not keys you accidentally locked in

There are a large number of articles dedicated to the subject trying to justify it... I personally believe the overwhelming majority of "accidental" leavings are the direct result of substance abuse, and its just usually very hard to prove it.  But I read some agonizing stories.. like a guy who somehow forgot to drop his kid at daycare and left him in the car at work... his car alarm went off like  three times and he just kept turning it off remotely "because i looked out the window and didnt see anybody near the car".  I dont know how he didnt kill himself from the guilt.

farking morons belong in prison, "accident" or not.


One of the saddest things I have ever read in my life is that during the summer, the Atlantic City police department regularly has cops patrol the casino parking lots to look for kids who have been left in the car (invariably for "just a few minutes") while their parents go inside to gamble.  The fact that that ever happens is heartbreaking, and the fact that it happens often enough for there to effectively be a task force to deal with it just blows my mind.
 
2013-06-26 07:45:56 AM
I saw a sign on the walmart entrance, 'don't leave your baby in the car'.

\Is this really necessary?  Can we force stupid people to stop reproducing?
 
2013-06-26 07:52:38 AM

Alonjar: No Time To Explain: "Statistics show that about 18 percent of children who die of heatstroke were intentionally left behind, Schwamm said. A little more than half were unintentionally forgotten by a caregiver and about 30 percent locked themselves inside of a car, he said"

/how the fark do you "unintentionally" forget you left the baby/kid you're taking care of in the car, they're not keys you accidentally locked in

There are a large number of articles dedicated to the subject trying to justify it... I personally believe the overwhelming majority of "accidental" leavings are the direct result of substance abuse, and its just usually very hard to prove it.  But I read some agonizing stories.. like a guy who somehow forgot to drop his kid at daycare and left him in the car at work... his car alarm went off like  three times and he just kept turning it off remotely "because i looked out the window and didnt see anybody near the car".  I dont know how he didnt kill himself from the guilt.

farking morons belong in prison, "accident" or not.


Pulitzer Prize winner and a worthwhile read:

Fatal Distraction: Forgetting a child in the back seat of a hot, parked car is a horrifying, inexcusable mistake. But is it a crime?
 "Memory is a machine," he says, "and it is not flawless. Our conscious mind prioritizes things by importance, but on a cellular level, our memory does not. If you're capable of forgetting your cellphone, you are potentially capable of forgetting your child."
 
2013-06-26 07:54:00 AM
I suspect many of my neighbors were left in hot cars when they were children.
 
2013-06-26 07:57:36 AM
"And Saturday, a 3-year-old Manatee County boy left inside a car as his parents attended a funeral also died."

It's like raaaiiiiin...
 
2013-06-26 08:06:55 AM

gerbilpox: "Memory is a machine," he says, "and it is not flawless. Our conscious mind prioritizes things by importance, but on a cellular level, our memory does not. If you're capable of forgetting your cellphone, you are potentially capable of forgetting your child."


That's why I develop checklists.  Like if I eat at a restaurant, I check for my wallet and cellphone before I leave.
 
2013-06-26 08:18:27 AM

Molavian: gerbilpox: "Memory is a machine," he says, "and it is not flawless. Our conscious mind prioritizes things by importance, but on a cellular level, our memory does not. If you're capable of forgetting your cellphone, you are potentially capable of forgetting your child."

That's why I develop checklists.  Like if I eat at a restaurant, I check for my wallet and cellphone before I leave.


Keys, you forgot keys. My personal mantra is keys, wallet, phone every time I get up from being seated or leave a place. I try not to pat them too obviously but I guess most pickpockets know where they are...
 
2013-06-26 08:24:41 AM
I live in a pretty darned rural area, and I leave my kids in the car never. I will tell you why.

When my oldest son was 4 he fell asleep in my friends car on the way home from camping. We left him in the car, and sat about 15 feet away talking on my porch. At some point, he woke up, and without us seeing him even though we were 15 feet away, he managed to put the car in neutral and it rolled down a hill in to a bush.

If he could do that, almost anything could happen.
 
2013-06-26 08:25:48 AM
Did somebody say "hot Carl"?
 
2013-06-26 08:28:26 AM
breeder problems.
 
2013-06-26 08:29:52 AM
Killed? How do they know it wasn't suicide? If you were forced to live in FL would you want to live?
 
2013-06-26 08:30:36 AM
I don't know... Buy a convertible?
 
2013-06-26 09:46:01 AM
Time to BAN all hot cars.
 
2013-06-26 09:49:54 AM

hej: My child demands to be left in the car alone when ever I go to a store.  What's a parent to do??


Be a parent and do the RIGHT thing.  Seriously, how is this even a consideration?
 
2013-06-26 10:07:41 AM
What's brown and gurgles?
A baby in a hot car.
 
2013-06-26 10:29:46 AM

thamike: What kind of f*cker goes around counting all the kids trapped in hot cars for a living?


A coroner?
 
2013-06-26 10:35:08 AM
This obviously calls for the banning of automobiles.  If it saves even ONE LIFE, it's the right thing to do.  Since most people are very attached to their cars, we could just start with getting rid of windows.  And go from there.  It'll take time, but with incremental steps we can do ti!  Parents and drivers don't kill, cars do!!
 
2013-06-26 02:35:05 PM

gerbilpox: Alonjar: No Time To Explain: "Statistics show that about 18 percent of children who die of heatstroke were intentionally left behind, Schwamm said. A little more than half were unintentionally forgotten by a caregiver and about 30 percent locked themselves inside of a car, he said"

/how the fark do you "unintentionally" forget you left the baby/kid you're taking care of in the car, they're not keys you accidentally locked in

There are a large number of articles dedicated to the subject trying to justify it... I personally believe the overwhelming majority of "accidental" leavings are the direct result of substance abuse, and its just usually very hard to prove it.  But I read some agonizing stories.. like a guy who somehow forgot to drop his kid at daycare and left him in the car at work... his car alarm went off like  three times and he just kept turning it off remotely "because i looked out the window and didnt see anybody near the car".  I dont know how he didnt kill himself from the guilt.

farking morons belong in prison, "accident" or not.

Pulitzer Prize winner and a worthwhile read:

Fatal Distraction: Forgetting a child in the back seat of a hot, parked car is a horrifying, inexcusable mistake. But is it a crime?
 "Memory is a machine," he says, "and it is not flawless. Our conscious mind prioritizes things by importance, but on a cellular level, our memory does not. If you're capable of forgetting your cellphone, you are potentially capable of forgetting your child."


The Fatal Distraction article is fascinating and heart breaking. It is also damn fine journalism. It calls into question the utility and wisdom of treating accidental cases as crime. I was going to link it but you've saved me the trouble.
 
2013-06-26 03:57:41 PM
Rabbitgod:I have a feeling that this has less to do with local residents, and more with tourists not understanding just how dangerous the heat can be.

Actually that would be incorrect -- the majority of them are locals.   I've never heard of a visiting family doing this actually.  Sadly, we had a case of this in the parking lot right outside my office window.   Dad parked his car and went to work at the office on the next street over.   Around lunch time some of his coworkers were going out for lunch and discovered the child still strapped into the car seat.  After ~4-5 hrs in the Florida sun, the kid didn't make it.

/We didn't have these problems back when kids weren't in car seats.  The little brats would automatically follow you.
 
2013-06-26 05:03:11 PM
This topic can't be discussed without reading this article.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/27/AR20 09 022701549.html

It won a Pulitzer in 2010.

We are overloading our brains.  No drugs required.
 
2013-06-26 06:48:33 PM
You know one thing that might help?

Put down your farking cell phone. Put it in your purse or briefcase or glove compartment or whatever and pay attention to what you're doing. In addition to making you a (probably) safer driver, having one less thing to pay attention to when you're in your car might help you to remember that, oh fark, my kid's back there and I need to drop him/her off at daycare/school.

I guarantee you, most of those parents didn't forget their cell phone when they got out of their car. Most women I see now might as well have the goddam thing welded to their hand, because they're always holding it. Always. If only babies were the size of an iPhone, had a screen and could connect to the internet. Apple should get to work on the iBaby. It could save lives.
 
2013-06-26 07:39:13 PM
I have never understood how the hell a parent can forget a child in a car.  It happens from time to time here in Texas and each time the authorities don't press charges because the parents "have suffered enough".  Bull****!  How much did the kid suffer?!  Charge them with manslaughter and lock 'em up.  The other parents will start to get the message.
 
2013-06-26 09:38:32 PM

jmayson: I have never understood how the hell a parent can forget a child in a car.


Go back and read the thread. If you can space off your keys, or leave a cup of coffee on the roof of your car before driving off, you can just as easily forget the kid that's sleeping in the back seat. Human memory doesn't always hold on to things the way human consciousness tells it to, especially when you're working on two hours' sleep because the baby was up all night urping on you the night before. For whatever reason, George Foster batting .320 with 52 home runs and 149 runs batted in for the '77 Reds is a fact I've been able to recall for decades - but if you asked me to tell you right now where my kids' report cards from last week were I'd say...um...on the fridge, maybe...hon?

It probably wouldn't hurt to tighten up the times a kid can be left in a car, but not to knee-jerk go for zero-tolerance - the guy who's pulling in to the recycling center for 90 seconds to pitch his empties is not a menace to his child for leaving him asleep in the car - and to have a law designating gambling establishments and so forth as no-unattended-kid zones with stiffer penalties for being a dipshiat parent.
 
2013-06-27 05:19:44 AM

Gulper Eel: Go back and read the thread. If you can space off your keys, or leave a cup of coffee on the roof of your car before driving off, you can just as easily forget the kid that's sleeping in the back seat.


As long as the almighty Thread believes that the zombie-diet approach to prioritization is the inevitable product of owning gadgets and therefore excusable behavior well golly, I'm on board.

Phone or kid?  Angry Birds or checking the rear view before merging?  Life's really just a cloud of equally boring yet vital choices, isn't it?
 
2013-06-27 07:35:32 AM

Smelly Pirate Hooker: You know one thing that might help?

Put down your farking cell phone. Put it in your purse or briefcase or glove compartment or whatever and pay attention to what you're doing. In addition to making you a (probably) safer driver, having one less thing to pay attention to when you're in your car might help you to remember that, oh fark, my kid's back there and I need to drop him/her off at daycare/school.

I guarantee you, most of those parents didn't forget their cell phone when they got out of their car. Most women I see now might as well have the goddam thing welded to their hand, because they're always holding it. Always. If only babies were the size of an iPhone, had a screen and could connect to the internet. Apple should get to work on the iBaby. It could save lives.


Better yet, put it on top of the baby.
 
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