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(The Atlantic)   Pixar's sad decline summarized in one chart   (theatlantic.com) divider line 151
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2013-06-25 05:21:56 PM
The only reason brave doesn't score well is because it isn't the one dimensional sex kitten heroine the grown up basement dwellers are used to.
 
2013-06-25 05:31:35 PM
Maybe I'm not good at reading charts, but that one looks to me like Pixar made 10 great movies, 3 pretty good movies and one not so good movie.
 
2013-06-25 05:34:29 PM
If I've learned anything from the climate change threads it's how to read a chart and it's clear that pixar is climbing skyward!
 
2013-06-25 05:42:12 PM
That chart is a perfect example of lying with statistics.
 
2013-06-25 05:42:38 PM

Triumph: Maybe I'm not good at reading charts, but that one looks to me like Pixar made 10 great movies, 3 pretty good movies and one not so good movie.


cdn.theatlantic.com

um, yeah, i'd say that any studio would kill to have this record.
 
2013-06-25 05:48:09 PM
That's a pretty stupid damn chart and doesn't illustrate shiat.
 
2013-06-25 05:57:52 PM

FlashHarry: Triumph: Maybe I'm not good at reading charts, but that one looks to me like Pixar made 10 great movies, 3 pretty good movies and one not so good movie.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 819x491]

um, yeah, i'd say that any studio would kill to have this record.


The line drawn seems fairly arbitrary.  If it's Cars 2 that's pulling it down so hard, I'd be tempted just to write that one off as an outlier.  Pixar has been more consistent than Dreamworks over all.
 
2013-06-25 06:02:21 PM

TuteTibiImperes: The line drawn seems fairly arbitrary.  If it's Cars 2 that's pulling it down so hard, I'd be tempted just to write that one off as an outlier.  Pixar has been more consistent than Dreamworks over all.


and, hell, even the other "dog" on there, "cars," seems to have an RT score of about 73 percent, which is pretty awesome.
 
2013-06-25 06:06:59 PM

Mangoose: The only reason brave doesn't score well is because it isn't the one dimensional sex kitten heroine the grown up basement dwellers are used to.


I thought it was boring as hell. I just couldn't get into it. I tried watching it twice and gave up. Maybe I was in a mood, or something.
 
2013-06-25 06:07:29 PM
Take out Cars 2 and the result is an average score of 92%. If you include Cars 2 it's 89%. Wow. How shiatty. Shame on them. I'm never watching another Pixar movie again.
 
2013-06-25 06:10:22 PM
Think of it this way. If that was a list of a student's test scores for a particular class, that one single 39% was still only bad enough to give them an overall score of 89%. That's a B+. And if you exclude the lowest score as an outlier, which it very much is, the overall score is an A- at 92%.
 
2013-06-25 06:20:53 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Think of it this way. If that was a list of a student's test scores for a particular class, that one single 39% was still only bad enough to give them an overall score of 89%. That's a B+. And if you exclude the lowest score as an outlier, which it very much is, the overall score is an A- at 92%.


Also using scores from Rotten Tomatoes is like having that one really angry TA who thinks they're too good to be a TA grade your tests.
 
2013-06-25 06:26:26 PM
Is Brave really worse than A Bug's Life?

I haven't been to see a Pixar movie since Wall-E.  My youngest kid was 9 at the time, now he's almost 15.  I don't have to go to the theater to see them anymore.

The Incredibles is my fave.
 
2013-06-25 06:35:23 PM
Most bands get worse over time.

Metallica.
 
2013-06-25 06:43:43 PM

Voiceofreason01: Mike Chewbacca: Think of it this way. If that was a list of a student's test scores for a particular class, that one single 39% was still only bad enough to give them an overall score of 89%. That's a B+. And if you exclude the lowest score as an outlier, which it very much is, the overall score is an A- at 92%.

Also using scores from Rotten Tomatoes is like having that one really angry TA who thinks they're too good to be a TA grade your tests.


Eh, it's not such a bad way. Usually there are so many review that it's at least directionally accurate.

AdolfOliverPanties: Is Brave really worse than A Bug's Life?

I haven't been to see a Pixar movie since Wall-E.  My youngest kid was 9 at the time, now he's almost 15.  I don't have to go to the theater to see them anymore.

The Incredibles is my fave.


I much prefer Brave to Bug's Life. And Incredibles is my favorite, too. I love that part where Dash runs on water, realizes he's running on water, and laughs.
 
2013-06-25 06:47:52 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Mangoose: The only reason brave doesn't score well is because it isn't the one dimensional sex kitten heroine the grown up basement dwellers are used to.

I thought it was boring as hell. I just couldn't get into it. I tried watching it twice and gave up. Maybe I was in a mood, or something.


It was two different movies with no actual changes in the end. Her fate didn't change except for getting a break before the decision happened. Her mom loosened up a bit. What the hell was the witch doing? Why did the wisps get involved? Mordoon (the bear/guy) was a really superficial character that told a one dimensional lesson of fighting against your fate makes bad things happen. The first half and the second half of the movie didn't match up in feel or direction. It was pretty and did a good job of recreating archery.

It was not a horrible movie but it wasn't Finding Nemo or The Incredibles either.
 
2013-06-25 06:58:54 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Mangoose: The only reason brave doesn't score well is because it isn't the one dimensional sex kitten heroine the grown up basement dwellers are used to.

I thought it was boring as hell. I just couldn't get into it. I tried watching it twice and gave up. Maybe I was in a mood, or something.


I fell asleep to it about 30 minutes in
 
2013-06-25 07:04:43 PM

Gwendolyn: Her fate didn't change except for getting a break before the decision happened.


Well, she does get to pick who she marries. That's kind of a big deal. Also, it wasn't determined by who won an archery contest.
 
2013-06-25 07:26:18 PM
i44.tinypic.com

my hopes aren't high for this one, though...

;-)
 
2013-06-25 07:55:47 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Gwendolyn: Her fate didn't change except for getting a break before the decision happened.

Well, she does get to pick who she marries. That's kind of a big deal. Also, it wasn't determined by who won an archery contest.


Yeah but she still has to pick on of those three. Not really the fate changing I was expecting going into it.
 
2013-06-25 08:19:09 PM

Gwendolyn: Mike Chewbacca: Gwendolyn: Her fate didn't change except for getting a break before the decision happened.

Well, she does get to pick who she marries. That's kind of a big deal. Also, it wasn't determined by who won an archery contest.

Yeah but she still has to pick on of those three. Not really the fate changing I was expecting going into it.


Hmm, I don't remember that bit.
 
2013-06-25 08:42:16 PM
Still not as depressing as the first ten minutes of UP!
 
2013-06-25 09:23:10 PM
i1282.photobucket.com

Get it together Sony.
 
2013-06-25 09:26:26 PM
Oh good, so I'm not the only one who saw the line and went WTF.  At the very least, if you're going to make a "decline" up, at least have said line starting *at* Toy Storyand ending at  Monsters University.  Just missing both makes the person who made this look even worse.

I admit, I'm horrible at watching movies, but I've seen enough Pixar to know what the problem with Cars 2 (and probably MU too, but haven't seen it yet): Cars 2 was clearly made to piggyback on the popularity of the first film, and to sell more toys.  The story was just an afterthought.  Ironically, having been in a lot of toy stores lately, the toys haven't even been selling, apparently - a true sign of how bad the film was: if it doesn't hook kids, it's not gonna hook us, and they're not gonna ask for the toys either.
 
2013-06-25 09:28:16 PM
Some dipshiat trotting out an article on the "sad" decline was as inevitable as the sun rising in the morning. They don't even notice how predictable they are.
 
2013-06-25 09:28:35 PM

Gwendolyn: Mike Chewbacca: Gwendolyn: Her fate didn't change except for getting a break before the decision happened.

Well, she does get to pick who she marries. That's kind of a big deal. Also, it wasn't determined by who won an archery contest.

Yeah but she still has to pick on of those three. Not really the fate changing I was expecting going into it.


No -- in the end, she decides she's not getting married because she doesn't want to.
 
2013-06-25 09:29:28 PM

meanmutton: Gwendolyn: Mike Chewbacca: Gwendolyn: Her fate didn't change except for getting a break before the decision happened.

Well, she does get to pick who she marries. That's kind of a big deal. Also, it wasn't determined by who won an archery contest.

Yeah but she still has to pick on of those three. Not really the fate changing I was expecting going into it.

No -- in the end, she decides she's not getting married because she doesn't want to.


That's what I remembered, too.
 
2013-06-25 09:29:39 PM
Jesus, have finally and fully analyzed every aspect of Pixer's oeuvre yet?
 
2013-06-25 09:32:37 PM
Cars and its spawn sucked. Period.

Take those out and not a bad track record. Never saw Brave.
 
2013-06-25 09:32:43 PM

Mentat: [i1282.photobucket.com image 500x379]

Get it together Sony.


Thank you. That image awesome.
 
2013-06-25 09:32:46 PM
Actually, ever Pixar movie ranges from Great to Good to Ok to Cars.
 
2013-06-25 09:36:34 PM
Wait, adults take these movies seriously?
 
2013-06-25 09:37:38 PM
I forgot, since when does a review mean shiatte?

Monsters U was good.  I enjoyed Cars.  The only Pixar movie that has been totally forgettable was Cars2,
 
2013-06-25 09:38:49 PM
I'm just gonna say it: Brave was a fantastic movie. Haters can suck it.
 
2013-06-25 09:41:48 PM
Everything they release is going to compared to be their best work, and that bar is set pretty high. Not everything can be at the level of insert-your-favorite-Pixar-movie-here.

/It's Up, by the way.
 
2013-06-25 09:42:32 PM
So they're being criticized for their success, in other words.

"Almost all of their previous movies were damn near perfect, but these last few have merely been good. At this rate they'll start making bombs in 34 years!"

/Cars 2 was terrible
//Cars 1wasn't a whole lot better
 
2013-06-25 09:54:36 PM

megalynn44: I'm just gonna say it: Brave was a fantastic movie. Haters can suck it.


*fist bump*

The only thing I didn't really like was everything having to do with the witch (the freaky obsession with bears and the enchanted answering machine).
 
2013-06-25 09:55:40 PM
Compared to a lot of the movies that companies put out now? Pixar is shiating gold bricks right now.

Not everything has to be Oscar worthy. Sometimes people want to see a movie because they want to be entertained.
 
2013-06-25 10:01:23 PM

TuteTibiImperes: FlashHarry: Triumph: Maybe I'm not good at reading charts, but that one looks to me like Pixar made 10 great movies, 3 pretty good movies and one not so good movie.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 819x491]

um, yeah, i'd say that any studio would kill to have this record.

The line drawn seems fairly arbitrary.  If it's Cars 2 that's pulling it down so hard, I'd be tempted just to write that one off as an outlier.  Pixar has been more consistent than Dreamworks over all.


I don't understand what that line on the chart is for at all, other than just connecting their first movie and last movie.
 
2013-06-25 10:04:40 PM

FriarReb98: Oh good, so I'm not the only one who saw the line and went WTF.  At the very least, if you're going to make a "decline" up, at least have said line starting *at* Toy Storyand ending at  Monsters University.  Just missing both makes the person who made this look even worse.

I admit, I'm horrible at watching movies, but I've seen enough Pixar to know what the problem with Cars 2 (and probably MU too, but haven't seen it yet): Cars 2 was clearly made to piggyback on the popularity of the first film, and to sell more toys.  The story was just an afterthought.  Ironically, having been in a lot of toy stores lately, the toys haven't even been selling, apparently - a true sign of how bad the film was: if it doesn't hook kids, it's not gonna hook us, and they're not gonna ask for the toys either.


It's a regression, so it's not going to pass through points, it functions more as an average.  It works better when comparing two variables, but in this case it works.  As mentioned elsewhere, though, Cars 2 throws things way out of whack.  Without that outlier, the trend line looks like this:

i251.photobucket.com

I kind of get what he's saying, but 9 of the 14 movies are 96+ on Rotten Tomatoes.  Nobody's going to keep that kind of record up.
 
2013-06-25 10:04:52 PM
So the line is, at a guess, a linear regression.

Since it's more 2 plateaus (plus the giant weight that is Cars 2) than a good linear fit, of course the line looks like garbage.  It's mathematically accurate, but it's also a really, really stupid way of doing it.
 
2013-06-25 10:04:58 PM
I liked Brave.

WALL-E and Ratatouille were both the best, though.
 
2013-06-25 10:06:38 PM
Darn you, rugman11

/And much better comment
 
2013-06-25 10:08:05 PM

meyerkev: So the line is, at a guess, a linear regression.

Since it's more 2 plateaus (plus the giant weight that is Cars 2) than a good linear fit, of course the line looks like garbage.  It's mathematically accurate, but it's also a really, really stupid way of doing it.


A true statistician would throw out the outliers from the dataset, so from a mathematical perspective it's not accurate. Just because someone can drive Excel (poorly), it doesn't change the fact that this is 25th rate shoddy schoolboy journalism.
 
2013-06-25 10:09:01 PM
I feel season 5 of Sesame Street was the high point. Really touched on some important social issues. And i was entertained by the many dancing puppets. When it comes down to it, that's all people want sometimes. Just give me a puppet to gaze at as my eyes glass over and a drool leaking smile slowly develops.
 
2013-06-25 10:09:37 PM
the toy story trilogy truly transcended the kiddie movie genre to a higher plane. you can't beat that every time, man.

yeah, monsters university was.....an okay kiddie movie with no real emotional resonance. so was cars 2. never saw brave. so what?

still better than another crass commercialized toy commercial with lots of explosions but no plot or character development, ain't it?

LOTTSO IS YOUR GOD
 
2013-06-25 10:09:40 PM

Aar1012: Compared to a lot of the movies that companies put out now? Pixar is shiating gold bricks right now.

Not everything has to be Oscar worthy. Sometimes people want to see a movie because they want to be entertained.


I think that's the argument though. Pixar created movies that were entertaining and also had a strong story and emotional message. All of their great movies do it. Why should that mean Pixar makes a movie based solely for corny jokes and funny visuals to be entertaining? Speaks more to saying Pixar is just getting lazy or does not have the talent it used to have.

I do not see complaints about previous movies saying it was too boring or too heavy handed and lacked entertainment. (The first Up scene may have been called boring by little kids but the rest of the movie had great parts for them and still told an awesome story for older viewers)

I just want to see new stories from Pixar. No more sequels. Unfortunately there is already a Finding Nemo sequel coming out.
 
2013-06-25 10:11:53 PM
I'm still really baffled by why people seemed to hate Brave so much. I thought it was a really touching and unique (in Hollywood, anyway) story about mother/daughter relationships, and...

Oh. Now I get it.
 
2013-06-25 10:13:57 PM
for me, the biggest problem with Brave is that the lesson to learn from the story is that if you are a whiny teenager, just do the absolute worst thing you can think of to your parents, and then they will understand you and let you get 100% of what you want.

I mean, really, Pixar, is it THAT tough to have a quick scene at the end where Merida is actually doing some princess duty to prove that that she has grown up a little?
 
2013-06-25 10:13:58 PM

Macular Degenerate: meyerkev: So the line is, at a guess, a linear regression.

Since it's more 2 plateaus (plus the giant weight that is Cars 2) than a good linear fit, of course the line looks like garbage.  It's mathematically accurate, but it's also a really, really stupid way of doing it.

A true statistician would throw out the outliers from the dataset, so from a mathematical perspective it's not accurate. Just because someone can drive Excel (poorly), it doesn't change the fact that this is 25th rate shoddy schoolboy journalism.


It's just clickbait.  Basically, "Pixar used to be perfect.  Why can't they perfect anymore?  Wah!"
 
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