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(Independent)   That's one habitable super-Earth. Two habitable super-Earths. THREE HABITABLE SUPER-EARTHS Ah, ah, ah   (independent.co.uk) divider line 71
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2013-06-25 06:59:04 PM
Before QA gets here, lemme just say how cool this is.
 
2013-06-25 07:00:47 PM
So, which one will we screw up first??

//other than this one.
 
2013-06-25 07:02:55 PM
Wouldn't it be neat if life evolved on all three planets simultaneously and intelligent life developed at near the same rate.  A star system with three distinct technological species would have some interesting politics.
 
2013-06-25 07:12:45 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Wouldn't it be neat if life evolved on all three planets simultaneously and intelligent life developed at near the same rate.  A star system with three distinct technological species would have some interesting politics.


Indeed. This has been done in science fiction ad nauseam, but in reality it would be pretty amazing,

Let's say there was life on Mars roughly at the same technological level as us. We might have known of their existence for a couple hundred years (as telescopes get more powerful and could identify cities), but we'd only have been able to communicate with them for roughly 100 years.

As for actually interacting with them in person, that probably would have happened within the past 10 years (I'm assuming if we knew they existed, we'd have way more incentive to research space travel). We would be right on the cusp of the increasing political tensions as interactions between us and the Martians increases.

/add in Venusians and it really gets crazy
 
2013-06-25 07:19:36 PM
We could easily colonize these using 3D printing technology
 
2013-06-25 07:20:12 PM
Oh great now we trying to get back there again. We left for a new world because we didn't have dark enough stripes. Now they want to try to go back there.

Should i not have said anything?

Knock at the door ill be right back.
 
2013-06-25 07:20:41 PM

Supes: /add in Venusians and it really gets crazy


Venusians do have the crazy eyes.
 
2013-06-25 07:21:07 PM

Supes: SN1987a goes boom: Wouldn't it be neat if life evolved on all three planets simultaneously and intelligent life developed at near the same rate.  A star system with three distinct technological species would have some interesting politics.

Indeed. This has been done in science fiction ad nauseam, but in reality it would be pretty amazing,

Let's say there was life on Mars roughly at the same technological level as us. We might have known of their existence for a couple hundred years (as telescopes get more powerful and could identify cities), but we'd only have been able to communicate with them for roughly 100 years.

As for actually interacting with them in person, that probably would have happened within the past 10 years (I'm assuming if we knew they existed, we'd have way more incentive to research space travel). We would be right on the cusp of the increasing political tensions as interactions between us and the Martians increases.

/add in Venusians and it really gets crazy


Venusians be crazy (and shoppin').
 
2013-06-25 07:21:43 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Wouldn't it be neat if life evolved on all three planets simultaneously and intelligent life developed at near the same rate.  A star system with three distinct technological species would have some interesting politics.


i1134.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-25 07:22:21 PM

SN1987a goes boom: Wouldn't it be neat if life evolved on all three planets simultaneously and intelligent life developed at near the same rate.  A star system with three distinct technological species would have some interesting politics.


Which am Bizarro planet?

Or will there be Zerg, Protoss, and Terran?
 
2013-06-25 07:23:00 PM

Ishkur: SN1987a goes boom: Wouldn't it be neat if life evolved on all three planets simultaneously and intelligent life developed at near the same rate.  A star system with three distinct technological species would have some interesting politics.

[i1134.photobucket.com image 507x700]


....Niiiiiiiiiice!

+1
 
2013-06-25 07:25:19 PM

tinyarena: Before QA gets here, lemme just say how cool this is.


OK, it's cool. We'll never get there, though. We can look at pixels on our computers for as long as we like however.
 
2013-06-25 07:25:48 PM

Supes: SN1987a goes boom: Wouldn't it be neat if life evolved on all three planets simultaneously and intelligent life developed at near the same rate.  A star system with three distinct technological species would have some interesting politics.

Indeed. This has been done in science fiction ad nauseam, but in reality it would be pretty amazing,

Let's say there was life on Mars roughly at the same technological level as us. We might have known of their existence for a couple hundred years (as telescopes get more powerful and could identify cities), but we'd only have been able to communicate with them for roughly 100 years.

As for actually interacting with them in person, that probably would have happened within the past 10 years (I'm assuming if we knew they existed, we'd have way more incentive to research space travel). We would be right on the cusp of the increasing political tensions as interactions between us and the Martians increases.


We would have been there in the late 70's. We were going to go there right after landing on the moon. (Source)
 
2013-06-25 07:27:34 PM

Fano: ....Niiiiiiiiiice!


Keepin' it real for all the PS fans on Fark, y0.
 
2013-06-25 07:32:27 PM
OK so if I remember right, we're finding these by looking at thousands of stars at a time. Now that we know those planets are there, would something like Hubble be powerful enough to see them and maybe even get information about the atmospheres assuming they have one? I know the article says no but I'd rather hear that from an astronomer than from a news article.
 
2013-06-25 07:33:20 PM
You people are missing the obvious worst case scenario!!!  If these planets have intelligent life on them, they will be super strong because of the increased gravity.  If they ever get to our planet they would be unstoppable killing machines with their bare hands!!!!!
 
2013-06-25 07:33:57 PM
Or whatever passes for hands on their crazy world!
 
2013-06-25 07:44:33 PM

Maul555: You people are missing the obvious worst case scenario!!!  If these planets have intelligent life on them, they will be super strong because of the increased gravity.  If they ever get to our planet they would be unstoppable killing machines with their bare hands!!!!!


Not necessarily true - Increased mass on the same radius planet = higher gravity, but increased mass on a larger radius planet could b more, less or equal gravity, depending on actual mass and actual radius.

Gravity is proportional to the Plantary Mass / Radius Squared.
 
2013-06-25 07:46:08 PM
Total fraud. Wonder what movie studio they used this time.
 
2013-06-25 07:47:56 PM
More like zero.

We can't even get a few billion bucks together to get to MARS. We can already draw dicks on Mars. We have robots in play. It's the closest thing save the moon.

Something farther than Mars, which we can't get to? Pfft. Worthless trivia. We have to stop focusing on what the deep field computers are churning out, because they'll churn that out anyway and we already know they're isolating exp-planets and stuff.

No what we need to do is start treating the government like we pay for it, which we do, and DEMAND NASA send live humans to Mars already.
 
2013-06-25 07:53:04 PM

doglover: DEMAND NASA send live humans to Mars already.


Yeah!

Why!?
 
2013-06-25 07:54:40 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: doglover: DEMAND NASA send live humans to Mars already.

Yeah!

Why!?


..Because Val Kilmer wants to come home, dammit!
 
2013-06-25 08:02:33 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: doglover: DEMAND NASA send live humans to Mars already.

Yeah!

Why!?


Thag, stop staring across the water. Even if there were land we could live on on the other side , we could never swim that far.
 
2013-06-25 08:03:31 PM

SirTanon: Maul555: You people are missing the obvious worst case scenario!!!  If these planets have intelligent life on them, they will be super strong because of the increased gravity.  If they ever get to our planet they would be unstoppable killing machines with their bare hands!!!!!

Not necessarily true - Increased mass on the same radius planet = higher gravity, but increased mass on a larger radius planet could b more, less or equal gravity, depending on actual mass and actual radius.

Gravity is proportional to the Plantary Mass / Radius Squared.


I stand by my evaluation.
 
2013-06-25 08:06:44 PM
i think i saw this on a star trek episode once. either there are nazi's, or crazy mean kids who never grow up. see? i just saved us a ton of trouble.
 
2013-06-25 08:15:24 PM

picturescrazy: Quantum Apostrophe: doglover: DEMAND NASA send live humans to Mars already.

Yeah!

Why!?

Thag, stop staring across the water. Even if there were land we could live on on the other side , we could never swim that far.


Thag's feet are waterproof, he can breathe the air, the temperature is correct, there's no radiation, and there's food in the water. He can swim with only the appendages provided to any human by nature...

Wanna try that with 100 000 000 kilometers of utter vacuum? With nothing on the other side? We already know that. We have the pictures since decades.

What is it about that you don't understand?
 
2013-06-25 08:16:10 PM
So when will we able to tell if the planets have a nitrogen-oxygen atmosphere? I wish they'd farking hurry up before I die. Get cracking on sending a probe under Europa's ice too. Do we have to wait for the Chinese to do all this?
 
2013-06-25 08:21:05 PM

Maul555: You people are missing the obvious worst case scenario!!!  If these planets have intelligent life on them, they will be super strong because of the increased gravity.  If they ever get to our planet they would be unstoppable killing machines with their bare hands!!!!!


How do you know they will have bear hands?
 
2013-06-25 08:24:01 PM

Etchy333: Maul555: You people are missing the obvious worst case scenario!!!  If these planets have intelligent life on them, they will be super strong because of the increased gravity.  If they ever get to our planet they would be unstoppable killing machines with their bare hands!!!!!

How do you know they will have bear hands?


a1.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2013-06-25 08:35:40 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Wanna try that with 100 000 000 kilometers of utter vacuum? With nothing on the other side?


There's pride there, history, and the unknown feel of traipsing on a new body. Only the Apollo people have felt that. It's repugnant that we give such joys to robots because the pentagon needs more bombs so the budget gets cut yet again. fark the pentagon, fark spineless wonders like yourself, and fark science.

We should go to Mars to go to Mars. That's reason enough.
 
2013-06-25 08:36:34 PM
Bad news everyone: Gliese 667C is a flare star. Complex life and heavy solar radiation don't get along very well.

That's the problem with planets orbiting type M stars, the habitable zones are so close that anytime the star does anything "interesting" (and cooler stars seem to do more interesting stuff than mid-range ones like ours) the planet is going to get baked.

You could probably make such a place habitable with sufficient investment, but don't go there expecting to sample the local cuisine.
 
2013-06-25 08:37:38 PM

doglover: Quantum Apostrophe: Wanna try that with 100 000 000 kilometers of utter vacuum? With nothing on the other side?

There's pride there, history, and the unknown feel of traipsing on a new body. Only the Apollo people have felt that. It's repugnant that we give such joys to robots because the pentagon needs more bombs so the budget gets cut yet again. fark the pentagon, fark spineless wonders like yourself, and fark science.

We should go to Mars to go to Mars. That's reason enough.


Romance and symbolism and the frontier mythology. Got it. You could use the same arguments for the inside of a volcano...
/robots don't have joy, BTW. Do you know that?
 
2013-06-25 08:37:39 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: picturescrazy: Quantum Apostrophe: doglover: DEMAND NASA send live humans to Mars already.

Yeah!

Why!?

Thag, stop staring across the water. Even if there were land we could live on on the other side , we could never swim that far.

Thag's feet are waterproof, he can breathe the air, the temperature is correct, there's no radiation, and there's food in the water. He can swim with only the appendages provided to any human by nature...

Wanna try that with 100 000 000 kilometers of utter vacuum? With nothing on the other side? We already know that. We have the pictures since decades.

What is it about that you don't understand?


You missed the point. Thag couldn't swim across the ocean, and his fellow cavemen had no idea that building a ship was even possible. We've already sent people into that vacuum. We know there's something on the other side (in the case of this post, Mars, which we've known about since the time of Thag even if we didn't understand it then), it's just a matter sending someone there to prove we can. And like Thag's friend, who are you to say our descendants can't make the journey. Who are you to say it's impossible. An ocean going ship was unimaginable to Thag. We're already closer than he was.
 
2013-06-25 08:40:05 PM
And yes my post was talking both about Mars and other stars. Sorry it got muddled.
 
2013-06-25 08:40:46 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: You could use the same arguments for the inside of a volcano...


Funny you should mention that....
 
2013-06-25 08:47:42 PM

picturescrazy: You missed the point. Thag couldn't swim across the ocean, and his fellow cavemen had no idea that building a ship was even possible. We've already sent people into that vacuum. We know there's something on the other side (in the case of this post, Mars, which we've known about since the time of Thag even if we didn't understand it then), it's just a matter sending someone there to prove we can. And like Thag's friend, who are you to say our descendants can't make the journey. Who are you to say it's impossible. An ocean going ship was unimaginable to Thag. We're already closer than he was.


But we were able to build boats with 14th century technology. They didn't send 5 people on boats then stop, did they? Why? Is it because building boats is possible and sustainable even with 500 year old technology, but sending people in space is ridiculously intensive for no real reward?

We know there's NOTHING on the other side. People went on boats because it was on the SAME PLANET. You went there to get spices , slaves, you name it.

Are you claiming there's something even remotely similar on Mars? It's a dead rock. We KNOW that.

I didn't miss your point because you didn't have one.

My point is that numbers mean things. The scale of space is, well, astronomical, and making fatuous comparisons to things that happened because they COULD happen is complete puerile nonsense, and you know it.

No one's going anywhere. There's no point, except for symbolism.

You can't eat symbolism.

You know no one's going anywhere. It's just you, me and everyone else, here. Forever.
 
2013-06-25 08:58:55 PM

doglover: Quantum Apostrophe: You could use the same arguments for the inside of a volcano...

Funny you should mention that....


the comment there: "WTF, Destroy the ring already"...LOL
 
2013-06-25 09:01:15 PM

doglover: Quantum Apostrophe: You could use the same arguments for the inside of a volcano...

Funny you should mention that....


No. Inside the volcano. Like under the lava. Explore where the tunnels go! There might be lava beings in there. We have to explore volcanoes, and I DEMAND that we do so! Because Thag didn't want to swim!

So, since you're so totally not spineless like me, you've booked your flight to go walk in a volcano, yes?

Cuz you're such a vital, hairy male with a huge erect penis that you paint white and put NASA decals on it, yes?

You big man, you!

You're just a pathetic middle-aged white male like me, who breaks a sweat going up a flight of stairs, and you think you can live your childhood fantasies by proxy through test pilots in rubber suits.

Grow up.

picturescrazy: And yes my post was talking both about Mars and other stars. Sorry it got muddled.


It didn't "get" muddled, it IS muddled.

Mars is a dead rock blasted in radiation.

Stars are so much further away it's not even worth discussing.
 
2013-06-25 09:02:51 PM

Supes: SN1987a goes boom: Wouldn't it be neat if life evolved on all three planets simultaneously and intelligent life developed at near the same rate.  A star system with three distinct technological species would have some interesting politics.

Indeed. This has been done in science fiction ad nauseam, but in reality it would be pretty amazing,

Let's say there was life on Mars roughly at the same technological level as us. We might have known of their existence for a couple hundred years (as telescopes get more powerful and could identify cities), but we'd only have been able to communicate with them for roughly 100 years.

As for actually interacting with them in person, that probably would have happened within the past 10 years (I'm assuming if we knew they existed, we'd have way more incentive to research space travel). We would be right on the cusp of the increasing political tensions as interactions between us and the Martians increases.

/add in Venusians and it really gets crazy


Yeah, those Venus natives are freaking nuts.
 
2013-06-25 09:21:00 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: No one's going anywhere. There's no point, except for symbolism.

You can't eat symbolism.

You know no one's going anywhere. It's just you, me and everyone else, here. Forever.


Do you read fiction?  Look at art?
Dream?
You can't eat those things either, but the enrich our lives all the same...  Sometimes it is just about the doing.
And speak for yourself, I'm going there later tonight....

(at the risk of channeling a certain former Farker...)
If one advances confidently in the direction of his dreams, and endeavors to live the life which he has imagined, he will meet with success, unexpected in common hours. - Henry David Thoreau
 
2013-06-25 09:31:16 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: doglover: Quantum Apostrophe: You could use the same arguments for the inside of a volcano...

Funny you should mention that....

No. Inside the volcano. Like under the lava. Explore where the tunnels go! There might be lava beings in there. We have to explore volcanoes, and I DEMAND that we do so! Because Thag didn't want to swim!

So, since you're so totally not spineless like me, you've booked your flight to go walk in a volcano, yes?

Cuz you're such a vital, hairy male with a huge erect penis that you paint white and put NASA decals on it, yes?

You big man, you!

You're just a pathetic middle-aged white male like me, who breaks a sweat going up a flight of stairs, and you think you can live your childhood fantasies by proxy through test pilots in rubber suits.

Grow up.

picturescrazy: And yes my post was talking both about Mars and other stars. Sorry it got muddled.

It didn't "get" muddled, it IS muddled.

Mars is a dead rock blasted in radiation.

Stars are so much further away it's not even worth discussing.


Stars are so much further away it's not even worth discussing. That was my point about swimming across the ocean.

The muddled part was that I didn't do a good job of separating a trip to Mars with a trip to other stars. You think it's impossible to reach other stars. Sure is right now. We don't have life support systems that could keep the generations of people alive long enough to get there. Mars is a chance to advance what we do have. It's a stepping stone on an ultimately required journey.
 
2013-06-25 09:43:00 PM

sno man: doglover: Quantum Apostrophe: You could use the same arguments for the inside of a volcano...

Funny you should mention that....

the comment there: "WTF, Destroy the ring already"...LOL


I know, right?
 
2013-06-25 09:48:01 PM

doglover: Something farther than Mars, which we can't get to? Pfft. Worthless trivia


I disagree.
The reason why we're hesitant to go to Mars, or even back to the moon, is because many people see them as empty outposts.    We might go for science or to colonize, maybe to sooth a political itch and win a war for the public's hearts and minds. But I doubt we're going anywhere "just to go" there at present costs.

A habitable planet is a different story.
An inhabited planet, total game changer.

We'd be talking about answers to how life starts, are we alone, what is our place in the universe, etc... A total rewrite of what it means to be human.
That is something alot of people would be willing to invest in, and at 22 light years its on the verge of doable with the technology we have.

/To be fair, we've spent very little in understanding deep space travel.
/Lots of hypothetical studies but few builds and even fewer missions.
/Apollo was built on tech developed in the 1920's and little changed today.
/Give the entirety of mankind a mission and I suspect things will evolve quickly.
 
2013-06-25 10:05:15 PM
Get Congress to pass a law giving Google a monopoly on Martian web searches.

I guarantee you in 5 years they'll not only have built and staffed an office on Mars, they'll have covered the planet with wireless broadband.
 
2013-06-25 10:16:17 PM
QA...oh QA...I know you are a troll, and I'm likely wasting my time giving you this, but, I post infrequently, and I just feel the need to speak.

I'm so very, very, thankful that everyone is not quite so bleak as you are.  If all there is is this planet, stuck here, nothing more, than honestly, suicide would look really, really, good to a lot of people right now.  I know you are very interested in life extension, but if that life is limited to what is here and only here, with no-one turning their eyes to the sky - eventually...especially if life extension worked so well as you'd wish...it would get so dreadfully boring here.  Natural resources could run out, the population get too big, or frankly, after a few more hundred years, most of us might just plain run out of shiat to do.  It may not always  be logical, but exploring big, scary, unknowns is part of the human nature of curiosity, it brought us where we are today - as much as space to many of us seems like a vast, empty, un-crossable thing today, many things before that would've been equally mind boggling to our ancestors, such as sailing ships, flying machines, or gunpowder.  A few hundred years ago...not that long in the grand scheme of things...a lot of people believed the ocean was what you try to illustrate as your idea of space - if you go out there too far, you'll fall off the edge and DIE.  To us, now, that seems rather daft, doesn't it?  Now we can cross those oceans in hours in aircraft, or in days, in powered ships....or even inside/under the oceans themselves, in submarines powered by nuclear power.  Do you think exploring UNDER the sea is a bad idea too?  We can't breathe there, and we have to do it from inside little metal tubes, or with rubber suits and air tanks.  A lot of people have died down there, but you're not arguing that we shouldn't study the fish.   Space isn't much different, just a whole lot bigger, and there's the potential of finding a lot more neat things out there, and that's what its all about - seeing what there is to see, and being there, first hand.  Why climb a mountain?  Because its there.  It doesn't HAVE to be logical, and it doesn't have to come out of your tax dollars either, if that's a concern you have.  If some people didn't have that drive to go and see and learn just because they can and because its there, the world would be a terribly, terribly dull place to be.
 
2013-06-25 10:27:45 PM
It would nice to have tools/detection methods good enough to find just "plain Earths"

BTW...also desired...
- Spinning metal core to produce magnetic field to protect against system's star.
- Decent moon to produce tidal forces
- Enough water to assist in life (as we know it...)
and so on...

/house hunters are so picky
 
2013-06-25 10:31:20 PM

way south: We'd be talking about answers to how life starts, are we alone, what is our place in the universe, etc... A total rewrite of what it means to be human.


I guess if you've got a middle school level of introspection, some of that will be altered slightly in the short term if we found a planet with life on it. But most of those questions already have answers that wouldn't be significantly altered no matter what we found.

The main problem with exoplanets is that they're too far. We can already send people to Mars, we just aren't doing it. We're sitting on the coast in France talking about sailing to the moon when we're not even equipped with boats that can cross the English channel.

Going to Mars and the other Solar planets is a necessary first step to inter-stellar travel. They're working on warp engines. But they've been working on fusion, which has been proven every day without fail forever, for decades now and still diddly squat. There's no guarantee warp will ever work.

You know what will work? A trip to Mars. Do it to have done it and see what we can learn about leaving this rock.
 
2013-06-25 10:59:00 PM

doglover: Quantum Apostrophe: You could use the same arguments for the inside of a volcano...

Funny you should mention that....


Gahhhh, I'm recoiling from the screen just watching that!
 
2013-06-25 11:09:42 PM

StarshipAngel: QA...oh QA...I know you are a troll, and I'm likely wasting my time giving you this, but, I post infrequently, and I just feel the need to speak.


I so wish Farkers would cut the nonsense of declaring anyone having the audacity to disagree with them must be trolling.  Its beyond simple-minded and egotistical.

I personally disagree with Quantum Apostrophe and his (IMO) rather bleak and pessimistic outlook on the future of space travel.  But none of the information he has provided is false and he has valid critiques.  So yeah, if you would knock it off it would make the place a better community, thanks.
 
2013-06-25 11:12:46 PM

the opposite of charity is justice: I so wish Farkers would cut the nonsense of declaring anyone having the audacity to disagree with them must be trolling.


I think regardless of the content, trolling can be done using sheer volume and frequency.
 
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