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2013-06-25 04:39:40 PM  

Cataholic: The VRA used a formula to determine whether or not pre-clearance was required.  It basically relied on whether or not you had a certain level of voter registration among minorities.  The problem is that this metric no longer correlates with whether or not minorities are being discriminated against.  There were more successful challenges to voting rules brought in areas which were exempted by the formula than in areas covered by it.  The formula is no longer a valid indication of where the worst discrimination is occurring...


From what I understand, this is exactly correct and why the ruling went they way it did.

Now. If we had a functioning legislative branch - figure the odds - they would take this ruling as an opportunity to 'unfix' voting.  Creative means of trying to rig elections - Gerrymandering comes to mind - have been typically left untouched because both sides do it regularly after the latest census polls. The party in power gets to wield the crayon however the hell they want, and people are at the least disenfranchised until the next census numbers are manipulated.  Only in extreme cases is creative redistricting challenged. Recently it's been the deliberate placement of 'unequal' voting machines - brand new in selected areas, old PoS and limited in relation to the district's population in others. When the average wait time to vote is under 15m in some districts and over four hours in others... it's not right.

Dusk-You-n-Me:  All told, between 1982 and 2006, DOJ objections blocked over 700 voting changes based on a determination that the changes were discriminatory.

So, if I understand correctly, Congress can amend the VRA to say voting changes, extreme gerrymandering, etc. of any state found by the DOJ to be discriminatory, earns the scrutiny of the Federal Gov't for... ten years sound like a reasonable time frame? Think IRS audits for ten years... pita to the state and local authorities - and it costs them money.

/If it costs them money, they'll do their best to not get caught or find another way.
 
2013-06-25 04:46:29 PM  
Why do people seriously expect Congressional Republicans to get behind an attempt to fix a bill they've spent over 40 years trying to undo?
 
2013-06-25 05:01:37 PM  
It's on! RACE WAR! Race war! Race war's on, everybody!
 
2013-06-25 05:14:59 PM  

djh0101010: thetubameister: djh0101010: Lexx: Basically, the deep south can now enact laws which restrict voter eligibility, and they don't have to clear these laws before-hand with the feds.

Hell, we can't even get a law to stick that says you have to show ID to register in this here blue state.  I need ID to buy allergy medicine, but I can just wander into any polling place on the day of the election, claim to live there, and I'm in.  Sheesh.

As is your right.

No one has the right to deny that to you under any circumstances.  YOU are the government, enshrined in the first sentence of our constitution.

You do not have a constitutional right to pseudoephedrine.

Sure, you have a constitutional right to vote.  Once.  If you're a citizen.  Show that you're a citizen and that you live where you want to vote, and, no problem.  We'll even give you the ID for free.  Somehow this is seen as infringing on them.


Because if you grew up before the 90s you were told that what defines this country is that you do not have to prove who you are to have your rights. That is for authoritarians, dictatorships and Eastern Bloc countries.

That country is dead now. We have become what many of us learned is the embodiment of evil in society. That is what my very liberal parent's taught and that is what my very conservative teachers taught. Now we have DUI checkpoints, TSA screening on internal flights, and a legal obligation to spy on one another and report suspicious activity. And if you don't believe that you have not worked in the financial world lately.

When they say freedom isn't free they mean that people die from bad things in a free society. That the bad guys win sometimes because the same tools used to defeat them are things like the KGB or the Stasi and it is not worth the long term erosion of individual rights and freedoms to track everyone, to verify everyone. If you track you also control. And that is the definition of an evil government.
 
2013-06-25 05:24:19 PM  
I grew up in Arkansas and Texas, and I never heard someone casually use the n-word until I moved to Wisconsin. In my experience, people who think the South is more racist have never actually lived there.
 
2013-06-25 05:42:45 PM  
Looks like the Supreme Court violated the Separation of Powers today.  If only there was some body that could ajudicate that.
 
2013-06-25 05:53:14 PM  

DamnYankees: Biological Ali: Honestly, I don't that it'd be hopeless to expect a move from Congress.

Have you SEEN this Congress? I think they've passed something like 3 substantive bills this entire session.


They can't even agree on lunch! No f**king WAY are they gonna redo the Voting Rights Act! :-(
 
2013-06-25 05:58:23 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: It's on! RACE WAR! Race war! Race war's on, everybody!


Yeah!  Bring Wendy.  Wait, she's Italian right?  Dont bring her.  Wait...... You want to get her?!
 
2013-06-25 06:01:52 PM  

Churchill2004: I grew up in Arkansas and Texas, and I never heard someone casually use the n-word until I moved to Wisconsin. In my experience, people who think the South is more racist have never actually lived there.


ethicsbob.files.wordpress.com

I lived in that crap hole called Little Rock for 3 years and you sir are full of crap!

Racism is alive and well in the South...
 
2013-06-25 06:05:56 PM  

skullkrusher: This is where that constitutional right to vote would come in handy. States are given pretty broad power to determine qualifications for voting with the major caveats provided for by the voting amendments. Stupid Constitution.


Newsflash:  The 14th and 15th Amendments are being enforced nationwide these days.  The Federal government can back off now.
 
2013-06-25 06:34:02 PM  

Biological Ali: True enough, but this law passed with the approval of nearly all of Congress


So did the Patriot Act. What are your thoughts on that one?
 
2013-06-25 06:35:33 PM  
Can we just get rid of gerrymandering and cut up the districts using some kind of computer or something?
 
2013-06-25 06:36:35 PM  

RickN99: Speaker2Animals: barneyfifesbullet: If you can show a photo ID to buy beer or rent a movie, you can show photo ID to vote for President of the United States. Stop whining.

So, voting is the same as buying beer or renting a video down there. Glad you Rebs take it so seriously. Kind of explains a lot of the smelly detritus you send to Congress.

No, voting is far more important.  So, if you gotta show ID for little things.....

/Protip that you should have learned in grade school: pointing out two things have a point in common is not equating those things.


Something you perhaps should have learned in school: there is no Constitutional right to buy beer or rent a video.
 
2013-06-25 06:44:38 PM  
Remember Mike Turzai?

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2013-06-25 06:45:00 PM  
hasty ambush: blah-blah-blah-blah

Tell us again about Obama's 100% vote total in Cuyahoga County, moran.
 
2013-06-25 06:46:35 PM  

MaliFinn: [i208.photobucket.com image 400x396]


President shiat-crusted Pants.
 
2013-06-25 07:06:29 PM  
THIS JUST IN.... Obama proclaims Justice Thomas henceforth shall be named Justice "Uncle" Thomas..

/Hey, where the white women at?
 
2013-06-25 07:20:19 PM  

FlashHarry: well, it's not like the south was ever in play for democrats anyway.


Do some research... especially with Texas. You may become enlightened as to how badly things have changed
 
2013-06-25 07:28:11 PM  

KidneyStone: DamnYankees: Speaker2Animals: How long was it between the passage of the 14th Amendment and the day when blacks in the South could vote without interference?

100 is actually exactly right. 1865 to 1965.

Meanwhile, in Philly...

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Sure.  Golly, black people sure are scary!
 
2013-06-25 07:31:19 PM  

d23: ciberido: d23

how is that derp?  If you have real evidence show it.  Otherwise the claim is simply a lie.


I think you might want to work on your quoting a little.  What "claim" am I making?  Or are you trying to address me at all?
 
2013-06-25 07:34:54 PM  

MyRandomName: Came for fark liberal idiocy, left satisfied.


We can certainly be satisfied that there was idiocy left after you came, yes.
 
2013-06-25 08:21:40 PM  
I thought the point of the court was to interpret laws, not strike them down because, yah know, congress was wrong.
 
2013-06-25 09:06:34 PM  
Call me cynical, but I think a lot of the people saying "Well, it had overwhelming bipartisan support in 2006 so it should pass reasonably easily again" are ignoring the fact that in 2006, the Tea Party wasn't a thing, and it certainly didn't have the influence on the House that it has now.

The Senate might pass it 98-0 again or whatever, but I have serious doubts about a VRA update escaping the House.
 
2013-06-25 09:17:36 PM  

The Bruce Dickinson: I lived in that crap hole called Little Rock for 3 years and you sir are full of crap!

Racism is alive and well in the South...


Little Rock is literally the most segregated place in the entire country, last time I checked.

With that said, I spent most of my life in Georgia, supposedly the 3rd most segregated place, and I saw very little blatant racism (from white people, anyhow...).  People segregated themselves in a lot of ways, but interactions were no big deal.  New York, on the other hand... everybody hates farking every body elses race and nationality, Jews hate Italians who hate Polish who hate Russians who hate... it goes on and on.  Geez, simma down!  Cant we all just hate Muslims like good Americans?
 
2013-06-25 09:43:24 PM  
You mean the government is going to actual have to act under the presumed innocent until proven guilty doctrine instead of just assuming guilt due to actions of others 50 years ago doctrine?

Well that will certainly be something different for Holder and Obama.
 
2013-06-25 09:46:57 PM  

Swoop1809: Look for even more fun voting laws coming from Red states in the next election.




tarpon.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-25 11:42:03 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: I don't think.


We realize that.
 
2013-06-26 12:14:17 AM  
Lets face facts here, The people who are happy about this can dance around it all they want. But they fool no one. They are stoked that Black, Hispanic, Native Americans ect will get stopped from voting Democratic.  Anyone who says different or tries the Rand Paul/Republican doublespeak is an outright liar.

Enjoy it while you can.
 
2013-06-26 12:54:46 AM  

ItchyMcDoogle: Lets face facts here, The people who are happy about this can dance around it all they want. But they fool no one. They are stoked that Black, Hispanic, Native Americans ect will get stopped from voting Democratic.  Anyone who says different or tries the Rand Paul/Republican doublespeak is an outright liar.

Enjoy it while you can.


Stupid.

If you are saying black people are too stupid to figure out how to vote, who is the racist?
 
2013-06-26 12:55:25 AM  
If you keep making race the issue then race will be the issue.  I've moved beyond it, you can and should too.
 
2013-06-26 01:13:00 AM  
FTFA:
Holder also said the Voting Rights Act changed how South Carolina will implement a law requiring
photo identification before being allowed to vote. Those changes, he said, protected black voters
who would have been "disproportionately" affected.


Nonsense, having to show photo I.D. to vote is not violating anybody's rights.
 
fdr
2013-06-26 03:03:19 AM  
Save your Confederate money, boys, the South is gon'na rise again!
 
2013-06-26 05:23:04 AM  

bdub77: As someone who lives in NC, my general impression is that this country is really going down hill. This is not helping my feelings on the matter.


It's been going downhill since 1963.

FTFA = Lewis recalled some Tuesday, such as devious "literacy tests" or asking people to figure "the number of jelly beans in a jar."

That would eliminate most of the voters in the South.
 
2013-06-26 08:23:51 AM  

hariseldon: Nonsense, having to show photo I.D. to vote is not violating anybody's rights.


Neither are literacy tests, amirite?
 
2013-06-26 08:48:12 AM  

hasty ambush: tarpon.files.wordpress.com


Remind me which of those activities is a fundamental right and which isn't.
 
2013-06-26 11:38:07 AM  

kronicfeld: hasty ambush: tarpon.files.wordpress.com

Remind me which of those activities is a fundamental right and which isn't.




So what your saying is that since gun ownership is a fundamental right, as affirmed by the Supreme Court, the whole ID and background check thing is wrong.

According to some marriage is a right so showing and ID/birth certificate to get a marriage license thing is wrong.

The list of course goes on.
 
2013-06-26 12:01:07 PM  
This isn't a big deal. It only affects the bad guys. If you have a problem with it, then just stop being a black or Latino voter in the South.
 
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