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2013-06-25 11:54:12 AM
Democrats are gonna lose a shiatload of voters in Pa.
Way to go Jobkillbama
 
2013-06-25 12:03:41 PM
Wonder what the Koch Brothers are thinking?
 
2013-06-25 12:07:39 PM
i38.tinypic.com
 
2013-06-25 12:10:33 PM
Free market competition from natural gas is doing a nice job of that already.
 
2013-06-25 12:12:31 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Democrats are gonna lose a shiatload of voters in Pa.
Way to go Jobkillbama


I thought they had all that Natural Gas production via fracking going on? Or are you just blowing smoke up my ass?
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-25 12:13:48 PM
Natural Gas is cheaper than coal anyway, so he is just encouraging the plant owners to do what they are already inclined to do.
 
2013-06-25 12:16:07 PM
This reminds me how the end of WWII put all those people making zyklon B out of work.

Gotta Godwin this up.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-25 12:16:15 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Democrats are gonna lose a shiatload of voters in Pa.
Way to go Jobkillbama


No, just jobs being shifted from coal mining to fracking.
 
2013-06-25 12:25:47 PM
This is terrible. We just need more clean coal at work. These guys can attest to that.

2media.nowpublic.net

rogerphilpot.homestead.com

sites.psu.edu

themileylegalgroup.files.wordpress.com

saferenvironment.files.wordpress.com

thinkprogress.org

Good ol clean coal.

THINK OF THE JOBS, NOBAMA! IT'S NOT POLLUTION IF WE EXPORT IT!
 
2013-06-25 12:26:31 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Democrats are gonna lose a shiatload of voters in Pa.
Way to go Jobkillbama


Yeah, I bet he doesn't even carry PA in 2016!
 
2013-06-25 12:28:08 PM
somedude210:
I thought they had all that Natural Gas production via fracking going on? Or are you just blowing smoke up my ass?

Fracking is not without it's own set of problems, but yet there's PLENTY of that going on in PA.  Lots of trucks with TX plates carrying Halliburton equipment all day.  SOMEBODY is getting rich off of that, but it's nobody I know.  The nearest power plant to me (which I can see the steam plumes from) is supposed to be retrofitting to burn gas instead of coal.  It's the one Greenepeace scaled many years ago.
 
2013-06-25 12:35:26 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Democrats are gonna lose a shiatload of voters in Pa.
Way to go Jobkillbama


tought shiat, they can fark off.

Hydro, Nuclear (Gen III+, Thorium), Wind, Solar, Geothermal, etc all faaaaaar better. For environmental AND economic reasons.
 
2013-06-25 12:36:45 PM
We need more solar and nuclear options.

Simple as that.

They are very clean. Solar is limitless energy and nuclear can power significant numbers.

Coal plants everywhere should be shut down
 
2013-06-25 12:38:28 PM

somedude210: I thought they had all that Natural Gas production via fracking going on? Or are you just blowing smoke up my ass?


Ironically enough, the boom in Natural Gas production is hurting the Coal industry more than anything else. To make it worse, though, the boom in fracking has hurt the profit on natural gas production.

Still, mine owners like to scare mining towns shiatless about how the "ebil gub'ment is commin' to take der jobs away". It's like feudalism mixed with extortion.
 
2013-06-25 12:40:46 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: somedude210: I thought they had all that Natural Gas production via fracking going on? Or are you just blowing smoke up my ass?

Ironically enough, the boom in Natural Gas production is hurting the Coal industry more than anything else. To make it worse, though, the boom in fracking has hurt the profit on natural gas production.

Still, mine owners like to scare mining towns shiatless about how the "ebil gub'ment is commin' to take der jobs away". It's like feudalism mixed with extortion.


Still, a LOT of union miners who traditionally voted Democrat every single time were convinced that Obama was going to take their job, and Romney would be far better.  Not sure who convinced them of that.  OH did I mention that many of the executives at Consolidated Coal are Mormon?  I'm sure that's just a coincidence.
 
2013-06-25 12:41:33 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Democrats are gonna lose a shiatload of voters in Pa.
Way to go Jobkillbama


The coal miner vote.  Think of all the kids leaving school today that are just devastated that they can't work in a coal mine.
 
2013-06-25 12:42:47 PM
but but buggy whips....
 
2013-06-25 12:44:31 PM

nekom: Still, a LOT of union miners who traditionally voted Democrat every single time were convinced that Obama was going to take their job, and Romney would be far better. Not sure who convinced them of that. OH did I mention that many of the executives at Consolidated Coal are Mormon? I'm sure that's just a coincidence.


I'm less likely to believe that the executives supported Romney because they're all Mormon than I am to believe that the executives supported Romney because they're all rich and he would help make them richer.
 
2013-06-25 12:46:59 PM
mrshowrules:
The coal miner vote.  Think of all the kids leaving school today that are just devastated that they can't work in a coal mine.

Starting salary of around $52,000 a year (40hr week, overtime available) would look pretty tempting to a kid fresh out of high school with no other prospects.  I used to know a mine electrician who made 6 figures by the time he was 25.  I'm claustrophobic so it wasn't for me, plus it's dirty and loud and I went to college, but they pay very nice, especially the union mines.  It's not 1910 anymore.
 
2013-06-25 12:51:17 PM
I'm against coal burners too.
 
2013-06-25 12:54:23 PM

somedude210: jehovahs witness protection: Democrats are gonna lose a shiatload of voters in Pa.
Way to go Jobkillbama

I thought they had all that Natural Gas production via fracking going on? Or are you just blowing smoke up my ass?


That's against EPA regulations.
 
2013-06-25 12:54:42 PM

nekom: mrshowrules:
The coal miner vote.  Think of all the kids leaving school today that are just devastated that they can't work in a coal mine.

Starting salary of around $52,000 a year (40hr week, overtime available) would look pretty tempting to a kid fresh out of high school with no other prospects.  I used to know a mine electrician who made 6 figures by the time he was 25.  I'm claustrophobic so it wasn't for me, plus it's dirty and loud and I went to college, but they pay very nice, especially the union mines.  It's not 1910 anymore.


Salary is often good but it's the second most dangerous activity in the US (I think logging is the most dangerous) and that's probably not including illnesses from working in a mine.
 
2013-06-25 12:59:29 PM

FlashHarry:


Yep. About damn time we stopped subsidizing them via pollution cleanup, health care costs, etc.
 
2013-06-25 01:01:07 PM

cman: Coal plants everywhere should be shut down


Just when I've finally cornered the market in canaries?


/we need to move forward with all the alternative solutions
 
2013-06-25 01:12:00 PM

bdub77: nekom: mrshowrules:
Salary is often good but it's the second most dangerous activity in the US (I think logging is the most dangerous) and that's probably not including illnesses from working in a mine.


It is, but it's better than it used to be.  The last fatality I remember at a mine we sell to was an industrial accident that could have happened anywhere, somebody fell off some machinery and was crushed, that could just as easily happen in a warehouse.  But then, we don't sell to any Massey mines at the moment, they have a rather deplorable record lately compared to Consol and Patriot.
 
2013-06-25 01:22:02 PM
Why can't we do a Cash for Clunkers type thing, the government offers to invest in housing/commercial upgrades. Everyone that owns a home/building can have solar installed on their roofs, etc. and the government will pay the company for it.

It'd put a bunch of people to work and start changing over the economy to reduce energy consumption... (GOP does want to be "energy independent" right?)
 
2013-06-25 01:24:16 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Democrats are gonna lose a shiatload of voters in Pa.
Way to go Jobkillbama


Many of the power plants here have already switched to natural gas, because it is dirt cheap. Many homeowners have switched as well. Most of the coal being mined here is going overseas. If coal jobs are being killed, it is the Free Market doing it.

By the way, the GOP was running ads about Obama's "War on Coal" here in PA this past election. We know how that turned out.

/lives in a town founded by a mining company
//coal trucks go through town constantly
///trains loaded with coal go through town a couple times a day
 
2013-06-25 01:27:29 PM

KellyX: Why can't we do a Cash for Clunkers type thing, the government offers to invest in housing/commercial upgrades. Everyone that owns a home/building can have solar installed on their roofs, etc. and the government will pay the company for it.

It'd put a bunch of people to work and start changing over the economy to reduce energy consumption... (GOP does want to be "energy independent" right?)


Cash for Clunkers was a financial and environmental disaster.
 
2013-06-25 01:31:58 PM

netizencain: KellyX: Why can't we do a Cash for Clunkers type thing, the government offers to invest in housing/commercial upgrades. Everyone that owns a home/building can have solar installed on their roofs, etc. and the government will pay the company for it.

It'd put a bunch of people to work and start changing over the economy to reduce energy consumption... (GOP does want to be "energy independent" right?)

Cash for Clunkers was a financial and environmental disaster.


Citation?
 
2013-06-25 01:33:43 PM
FTFA:  The administration has already issued standards for dangerous pollutants like mercury that also come from coal, like mercury.

They really like mercury.
 
2013-06-25 01:35:06 PM
Article over at CNN said that 40% of US electricity is from coal, but I don't know if that's in terms of output or capacity.
 
2013-06-25 01:37:45 PM

Bloody William: netizencain: KellyX: Why can't we do a Cash for Clunkers type thing, the government offers to invest in housing/commercial upgrades. Everyone that owns a home/building can have solar installed on their roofs, etc. and the government will pay the company for it.

It'd put a bunch of people to work and start changing over the economy to reduce energy consumption... (GOP does want to be "energy independent" right?)

Cash for Clunkers was a financial and environmental disaster.

Citation?


http://news.yahoo.com/why-cash-clunkers-hurt-environment-more-helped -0 24848694.html
http://pointsandfigures.com/2010/09/03/cash-for-clunkers-an-economic -d isaster/
 
2013-06-25 01:37:51 PM
I don't care where the electricity to charge my Iphone and plug-in hybrid come from, as long as it is cheap and plentiful. .
 
2013-06-25 01:38:26 PM

Bloody William: Citation?


Fartbongo was reelected. QED.
 
2013-06-25 01:39:37 PM
Is Obama climate change agenda just a cover for war on coal?

***fox cover page of scarybama***

they're just asking questions.....
 
2013-06-25 01:39:49 PM
Jobkillbama

yeah he's like a cancer on the economy of America isn't he
 
2013-06-25 01:40:30 PM

Bloody William: netizencain: KellyX: Why can't we do a Cash for Clunkers type thing, the government offers to invest in housing/commercial upgrades. Everyone that owns a home/building can have solar installed on their roofs, etc. and the government will pay the company for it.

It'd put a bunch of people to work and start changing over the economy to reduce energy consumption... (GOP does want to be "energy independent" right?)

Cash for Clunkers was a financial and environmental disaster.

Citation?


Cash for clunkers funneled a bunch of money through dealers, all of which can barely tie their shoes when it comes to understanding tax accounting, and many of which were in the process of going belly up.  Two people I knew participated in it, and both had to take their clunkers back because of different glitches.
 
2013-06-25 01:41:40 PM
Granted, tougher standards might put a few coal plants out of business.
 
2013-06-25 01:45:03 PM

jehovahs witness protection: Democrats are gonna lose a shiatload of voters in Pa.
Way to go Jobkillbama


They'll be too busy getting Obamacare for their black-lung disease. No biggie.
 
2013-06-25 01:45:06 PM
I have no problem with the government phasing out coal.  But the market isn't ready with a viable replacement.  And it's hard to force people to pay more for clean energy because it's not an apparent win for the consumer.  The understand seat belts, air bags and backup-cameras.  It's in their hand and they comprehend the cost.  Making them pay more for a non-coal solution seems like an intangible benefit to most Americans.
 
2013-06-25 01:46:33 PM

netizencain: And it's hard to force people to pay more for clean energy because it's not an apparent win for the consumer.


You'll be happy to know that: Average U.S. residential summer 2013 electric bill expected to be lowest in four years
 
2013-06-25 01:46:43 PM

netizencain: But the market isn't ready with a viable replacement.


Bullshiat. You mean the market isn't "ready" (lol) with a CHEAP replacement.
 
2013-06-25 01:49:04 PM

mrshowrules: The coal miner vote.  Think of all the kids leaving school today that are just devastated that they can't work in a coal mine.


Coal-mining is a wonderful thing father, but it's something you'll never understand. Just look at you!

i2.ytimg.com
 
2013-06-25 01:50:07 PM
I hope he starts in Ohio. They deserve it.
 
2013-06-25 01:50:20 PM
The trick will be in convincing America that it's the fault of Republicans when they have less energy and higher bills.
 
2013-06-25 01:50:38 PM
President speaking now. Link
 
2013-06-25 01:51:26 PM

netizencain: I have no problem with the government phasing out coal.  But the market isn't ready with a viable replacement.  And it's hard to force people to pay more for clean energy because it's not an apparent win for the consumer.  The understand seat belts, air bags and backup-cameras.  It's in their hand and they comprehend the cost.  Making them pay more for a non-coal solution seems like an intangible benefit to most Americans.


What are you talking about. I can get solar on my house nothing down and pay back payments for less than my electric bill to pay it of each month and when all is said and done after 20 years I pay half then what I would have on my electric bill. How in the fark is that not a viable replacement.
 
2013-06-25 01:51:46 PM

netizencain: KellyX: Why can't we do a Cash for Clunkers type thing, the government offers to invest in housing/commercial upgrades. Everyone that owns a home/building can have solar installed on their roofs, etc. and the government will pay the company for it.

It'd put a bunch of people to work and start changing over the economy to reduce energy consumption... (GOP does want to be "energy independent" right?)

Cash for Clunkers was a financial and environmental disaster.


I only mentioned it because it was a government sponsored program, I'd much rather responses on the idea I proposed.
 
2013-06-25 01:51:51 PM
Maybe he can use the money from fines to invest more in fracking since the administration is fine with fracking.
 
2013-06-25 01:52:02 PM

nekom: mrshowrules:
The coal miner vote.  Think of all the kids leaving school today that are just devastated that they can't work in a coal mine.

Starting salary of around $52,000 a year (40hr week, overtime available) would look pretty tempting to a kid fresh out of high school with no other prospects.  I used to know a mine electrician who made 6 figures by the time he was 25.  I'm claustrophobic so it wasn't for me, plus it's dirty and loud and I went to college, but they pay very nice, especially the union mines.  It's not 1910 anymore.


If mine owners had their way it would be.
 
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