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2013-06-25 12:21:43 PM
The most American of activities: kicking someone when they're down. Not saying I agree with anything she's said or done, but not piling on.
 
2013-06-25 12:27:41 PM
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/not
 
2013-06-25 12:30:21 PM
I don't own a TV and I'm not sure who she is, but that comment about her great grand father was interesting.

The way I see it, he is pretty lucky he had the liberty to shoot himself in his own barn after all his slaves left. I can't begin to fathom the pain, frustration, and anger that slavery engendered, but I am sure the old timer was lucky they just left.
 
2013-06-25 12:38:45 PM
It's 2013--when the hell is everyone going to just stop talking about race?  Maybe I'm naive, but who really gives a shiat these days?

Do well to your family and neighbors and stop acting like color matters.
 
2013-06-25 12:40:38 PM
I'm calling bullshiat.     We've already seen how this lady fetishizes The South, and there's nothing they love to do more than swap hardship stories of the Reconstruction.

I've spent time in Vietnam, and they don't spend a fraction of the time self pitying their hardships from a  war that ended 35 years ago as the American South do wallowing in a war that happened 150 years ago (and they're still still feeling the daily legacy of Agent Orange and undetonated ordinance).
 
2013-06-25 12:41:37 PM

Crewmannumber6: The most American of activities: kicking someone when they're down. Not saying I agree with anything she's said or done, but not

piling on.

I'm wondering if I saw what you did there.
 
2013-06-25 12:42:46 PM

InmanRoshi: I'm calling bullshiat.     We've already seen how this lady fetishizes The South, and there's nothing they love to do more than swap hardship stories of the Reconstruction.

I've spent time in Vietnam, and they don't spend a fraction of the time self pitying their hardships from a  war that ended 35 years ago as the American South do wallowing in a war that happened 150 years ago (and they're still still feeling the daily legacy of Agent Orange and undetonated ordinance).


I wasn't aware we used Agent Orange in the Civil War.

/I know we didn't but your phrasing makes it seem we did and so thanks for the LOL
 
2013-06-25 12:49:50 PM

fickenchucker: It's 2013--when the hell is everyone going to just stop talking about race?  Maybe I'm naive, but who really gives a shiat these days?

Do well to your family and neighbors and stop acting like color matters.


just search on 'public shaming' and you'll see how quickly that race is an issue, slant eyes, black skin, indian, dot or feather, tons of people spew hate based on those criteria.

mix in a gay, short person, fat person, you got a massive ball of hate of different.
 
2013-06-25 12:50:36 PM
My mother swears she went to school with her in Albany.  I've no idea if it's true or not.  However, my mother can't stand her.  If you turn any of Paula's show on, you have to talk mom down from kicking the TV over.
 
2013-06-25 12:51:24 PM

fickenchucker: It's 2013--when the hell is everyone going to just stop talking about race?  Maybe I'm naive, but who really gives a shiat these days?

Do well to your family and neighbors and stop acting like color matters.


Who gives a shiat? People who don't like what you like, that's who.

/I dont give a shiat either.
 
2013-06-25 12:52:33 PM

tboucher: fickenchucker: It's 2013--when the hell is everyone going to just stop talking about race?  Maybe I'm naive, but who really gives a shiat these days?

Do well to your family and neighbors and stop acting like color matters.

just search on 'public shaming' and you'll see how quickly that race is an issue, slant eyes, black skin, indian, dot or feather, tons of people spew hate based on those criteria.

mix in a gay, short person, fat person, you got a massive ball of hate of different.


Or, you could just venture over one tab to the left.
 
2013-06-25 12:52:47 PM
Somewhere out there Anthony Bourdain is having another cup of smug at the downfall of Paula Deen although he probably would've wanted her to fail because of the food that she was serving as oppose to her personal beliefs and acts on race relations.
 
2013-06-25 12:53:31 PM

fickenchucker: It's 2013--when the hell is everyone going to just stop talking about race?  Maybe I'm naive, but who really gives a shiat these days?

Do well to your family and neighbors and stop acting like color matters.


Let's try pretending rape doesn't happen and see if rapists stop raping.
 
2013-06-25 12:54:01 PM

toetag: My mother swears she went to school with her in Albany.  I've no idea if it's true or not.  However, my mother can't stand her.  If you turn any of Paula's show on, you have to talk mom down from kicking the TV over.


I had to check her bio. She was born in Albany, Ga.

I was thinking you meant Albany, NY, and wanted to know how insane your mom is.
 
2013-06-25 12:57:48 PM

tboucher: fickenchucker: It's 2013--when the hell is everyone going to just stop talking about race?  Maybe I'm naive, but who really gives a shiat these days?

Do well to your family and neighbors and stop acting like color matters.

just search on 'public shaming' and you'll see how quickly that race is an issue, slant eyes, black skin, indian, dot or feather, tons of people spew hate based on those criteria.

mix in a gay, short person, fat person, you got a massive ball of hate of different.


I guess my parents did a good job, then.  I think a lot of what other people like is weird and nothing I would participate in, but it's not my place to be mean to them.  And vice-versa--I'm just as weird to other people.

Life's too short to walk around making other's lives difficult.  Maybe those crazy WBC weirdos should just take up woodworking as a hobby, since they seem to have so much time on their hands.
 
2013-06-25 01:00:54 PM
60 year old white southern woman is racist?

I AM SHOCKED.

SHOCKED I SAY.
 
2013-06-25 01:03:48 PM
white trash problems.
 
2013-06-25 01:12:09 PM

rufus-t-firefly: fickenchucker: It's 2013--when the hell is everyone going to just stop talking about race?  Maybe I'm naive, but who really gives a shiat these days?

Do well to your family and neighbors and stop acting like color matters.

Let's try pretending rape doesn't happen and see if rapists stop raping.



You're missing the point.  I was just howling in the wind of why idiots bother going out of their way to be annoying to those who are different.  Time is better spent concentrating on yourself, family, and friends.
 
2013-06-25 01:24:11 PM
The only thing I have to add is that whenever someone says "intrical" when they mean "integral," I want to punch them in the throat.

"Intrical" is not a farking word, you illiterate old biddy!
 
2013-06-25 01:24:41 PM
So her great grand pappy bought his way out of the fighting, then killed himself when he found out he had to work? No wonder she's so uppity.
/ It's a wonder that this woman didn't go into politics instead of cooking.
 
2013-06-25 01:37:10 PM
Obligatory for every Paula Deen thread. (Also, PAULA DEEN THREAD!)

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Shamelessly stolen from andyourdog2 from that other PD thread.
 
2013-06-25 01:39:27 PM

InmanRoshi: I'm calling bullshiat.     We've already seen how this lady fetishizes The South, and there's nothing they love to do more than swap hardship stories of the Reconstruction.

I've spent time in Vietnam, and they don't spend a fraction of the time self pitying their hardships from a  war that ended 35 years ago as the American South do wallowing in a war that happened 150 years ago (and they're still still feeling the daily legacy of Agent Orange and undetonated ordinance).


You forget that there are some who believe the Civil War never ended, but is only on pause.
 
2013-06-25 01:51:05 PM
I'm sure Hollis was thrilled to be told that he couldn't be seen if he stood against a dark background.

I can see why her employees might be suing her.
 
2013-06-25 01:53:13 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: I'm sure Hollis was thrilled to be told that he couldn't be seen if he stood against a dark background.

I can see why her employees might be suing her.


She's not racist, some of her best employees are black!

I was so embarrassed for the guy.
 
2013-06-25 02:07:07 PM
"come on out here, hollis - we can't see you against that blackboard."

holy shiat - she's telling racist dean martin jokes from 1966.
 
2013-06-25 02:12:24 PM
I'm not going to buy the "old people can't learn to not be racist" argument.  In college, I visited a friend's grandmother who was a concentration camp survivor.  Weirdly, she was one of the most anti-black people I knew.  Like "blame it all on the blacks" racist.  But then my friend got knocked up- by a black guy.  Once the child arrived sporting skin that was a nice shade of mocha and a thick head of kinky hair, racist grandma did a 180-degree about face.  Black boyfriend could do no wrong (except not be Jewish, but even that was forgiven for being the father of the next generation).  Black people were no longer the source of all that was wrong with the world.  She even held a seder in the boyfriend's (Baptist!!!) church's fellowship hall.

Whether or not Paula Deen has had a similar "Saul on the Road to Damascus" moment, I can't say.  But don't tell me old folks can't learn to be better people.  I've seen it happen.
 
2013-06-25 02:16:32 PM

rufus-t-firefly: fickenchucker: It's 2013--when the hell is everyone going to just stop talking about race?  Maybe I'm naive, but who really gives a shiat these days?

Do well to your family and neighbors and stop acting like color matters.

Let's try pretending rape doesn't happen and see if rapists stop raping.


Wow.  That was dumb.
 
2013-06-25 02:17:04 PM
Look, at some point in their lives, EVERYBODY has used a racial slur. Including Blacks.

That's the way the cookie crumbles and there just aint much anyone can friggin' do about it.

Raised in the 50's and 60's, I certainly knew and used racial slurs and I also knew of black folks using racial slurs against whites. Then again, we had racial slurs for every race, including my own.

In my day, we mainly had white trash. You should have heard what they were called, but that's different because their skin was white. Now we throw about the term 'Trailer Park Trash' like it's a common denominator and no one goes all ballistic and starts suing right and left or publicly harassing and damning the one who said it.

Man! Back in the early part of the 1900's, you'd find insulting names for the Irish, The Poles, The Italians, The Chinese, Northerners, Southerners and everyone else.

Most folks over 50 have used racial slurs in their lives because they were born during a time when such a thing was common and just was.

People born in the deep south have a list of names for white people born in the North -- the majority insulting on some level -- but no one gives a shiat. Hop on over to Texas and listen to the assorted names for Mexican Illegals and even the Legals.

Drop in on a couple of random Indian Reservations and find out what they call the white man behind his back.

However, since these racial slurs concern the African/American race, they're 'evil' and 'despicable' and the utterer is just one step above a sex offender!

Grow the freak up! So long as we have different races there's going to be racial insults. If not racial insults, then religious ones. If not those, then insults concerning the country someone was born in or the language they speak. (I, personally, despise the dialect commonly used in New Orleans. I aint real happy with the true, Bostonian one either. Then there's one area where folks like to say 'ay-yuh' a lot and if you've ever been to Minnesota for any length of time, the common dialect there can set your teeth on edge.)

What Paula Deen did is no worse than most other folks and certainly not worth making a huge shiat-storm in the media about it.

Besides, the Civil War wasn't that long ago. Plus, every documentary channel on TV just has to produce lengthy historical episodes on it. Collectors pay ridiculous amounts for rusty Civil War scrap and there are the yearly reenactments -- with some enthusiasts copying the time right down to home spun uniforms and not bathing for a week or two to get that authentic smell of a front line soldier.

I don't think any other nation has such reenactments concerning any civil war they went through. Vietnam has turned it's war into a tourist attraction, where fat Americans get stuck in the mouths of the tunnels they were famous for.

Yeah. racial slurs are inappropriate, but unless the one using them is an absolute fanatic and died-in-the-wool racist, there's no freakin' reason to turn it into a media circus, blowing it so out of proportion that it nearly becomes unrecognizable.
 
2013-06-25 02:19:08 PM
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Racist?
 
2013-06-25 02:19:22 PM
the south is less racist cause the black were part of the family?

hahahahaha
notsureifserious


sure i beat my family everyday and make the pick a bail of cotton


ohh lawdy pick a bail of hay.....
 
2013-06-25 02:22:52 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: I'm sure Hollis was thrilled to be told that he couldn't be seen if he stood against a dark background.

I can see why her employees might be suing her.


Did anyone ask him if that statement bothered him?

Paula Deen is getting a raw deel.

I wonder why no one answers this question (I've posted in a number of these threads) - who among us has never said anything that could be deemed discriminatory or prejudiced (even in a bad attempt at humor)?

/listen - you can hear crickets chirping...
 
2013-06-25 02:26:07 PM

Rik01: I certainly knew and used racial slurs and I also knew of black folks using racial slurs against whites.


not quite equal, though, is it? considering that "black folks" were subject to a couple of hundred years of slavery and oppression by whites.
 
2013-06-25 02:27:34 PM

Truther: Philip Francis Queeg: I'm sure Hollis was thrilled to be told that he couldn't be seen if he stood against a dark background.

I can see why her employees might be suing her.

Did anyone ask him if that statement bothered him?

Paula Deen is getting a raw deel.

I wonder why no one answers this question (I've posted in a number of these threads) - who among us has never said anything that could be deemed discriminatory or prejudiced (even in a bad attempt at humor)?

/listen - you can hear crickets chirping...



"Tu Quoque" is considered a logical fallacy for a reason.
 
2013-06-25 02:30:56 PM

Truther: Philip Francis Queeg: I'm sure Hollis was thrilled to be told that he couldn't be seen if he stood against a dark background.

I can see why her employees might be suing her.

Did anyone ask him if that statement bothered him?

Paula Deen is getting a raw deel.

I wonder why no one answers this question (I've posted in a number of these threads) - who among us has never said anything that could be deemed discriminatory or prejudiced (even in a bad attempt at humor)?

/listen - you can hear crickets chirping...


I'm sure Paula didn't bother to ask him if he was upset by the"joke". However it is quite clear that the employees who are suing her were offended at her behavior.

People can say what ever they want. However when your entire career is based on being popular with wide segments of the public, making discriminatory of prejudiced statements can make you less popular with much of the public.  There are plenty of people who can make unhealthy food on TV. They aren't obligated to use a woman who's statements and actions have offended people.
 
2013-06-25 02:36:46 PM

Rik01: Besides, the Civil War wasn't that long ago.


150 years ago is not a long time. Gotcha.

Rik01: Most folks over 50 have used racial slurs in their lives because they were born during a time when such a thing was common and just was.


So that makes it okay. Gotcha.

Rik01: Yeah. racial slurs are inappropriate, but unless the one using them is an absolute fanatic and died-in-the-wool racist, there's no freakin' reason to turn it into a media circus, blowing it so out of proportion that it nearly becomes unrecognizable.


BEcause calling slaves "workers" means you have the right mindset about ANYTHING in life.

Rik01: and if you've ever been to Minnesota for any length of time, the common dialect there can set your teeth on edge


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXw-jDO8S8A
 
2013-06-25 02:39:04 PM
I think she can solve all these publicity problems by adding more butter.
 
2013-06-25 02:43:49 PM

Truther: Philip Francis Queeg: I'm sure Hollis was thrilled to be told that he couldn't be seen if he stood against a dark background.

I can see why her employees might be suing her.

Did anyone ask him if that statement bothered him?

Paula Deen is getting a raw deel.

I wonder why no one answers this question (I've posted in a number of these threads) - who among us has never said anything that could be deemed discriminatory or prejudiced (even in a bad attempt at humor)?

/listen - you can hear crickets chirping...



I've said more than my fair share of discriminatory/bigoted/racist words I am sure. Then I grew up and experienced my sonder moment. And then I didn't go into a line of work that expressly requires the good opinion of the public to make or break me. And then I realized there was no reason to make stupid arguments to let people off the hook for stupid behavior just because someone, many of us, had done it before.
 
2013-06-25 02:45:29 PM
Dear The South,

Stop fetishizing yourself.    Your Bubba Bozo self caricature is sad and pathetic.     Your ceaseless wallowing in self pity over a war that happened 150 years ago is as attention-whorey and gluttonous as your hair, your makeup, your jewelery and your food.    No one takes your martyrism seriously because you were fighting for the right to  use other human beings as chattel.    Sorry, other people stopped in to stop you from being evil.   We did it to the Germans too, they got over it.    Please join the rest of us in the 21st Century as soon as you get the opportunity.   In the meantime, start looking into some new cultural tribal traits like modesty, frugality and self-reflection.

Signed,
Everyone
 
2013-06-25 03:36:14 PM
Just...wow.

How the hell can she even believe he had "30 something people on his books" who "worked" for him? How is that possible in the 21st century.

I admit it. I don't understand Americans.
 
2013-06-25 03:50:48 PM
indarwinsshadow:
How the hell can she even believe he had "30 something people on his books" who "worked" for him? How is that possible in the 21st century.

I think that she is well aware that they were slaves. She was just choosing her words carefully.

Also, she did not say they worked for him ... she referred to them as workers. And the books that she referred to were not payroll books ... they would have been for tracking workers and/or their ownership.

Judging by what has come out in the civil trial (slavery themed wedding, etc.), even if she is not overly racist, she has a far too casual attitude towards that chapter of the south's history. Probably because her ancestors were on the happy side of it (until the war of course).
 
2013-06-25 04:11:14 PM

indarwinsshadow: Just...wow.

How the hell can she even believe he had "30 something people on his books" who "worked" for him? How is that possible in the 21st century.

I admit it. I don't understand Americans.


Well, we all know that Canadians are perfect in regarding other races as equal, eh?

www.cbc.ca
 
2013-06-25 04:11:23 PM
 
2013-06-25 04:38:00 PM
I'm call bullshiat on this everybody does it nonsense. My parents were born in 1929 and 1933 and grew up in farking Oklahoma and I never heard either of them say a racist thing in my entire life. And NEVER (not once) the N word. My old man would have shut me down I had ever talked like that.

My mother (rest in peace, Mom) would tell you all that only ignorant people who don't know any better and lack manners would use that kind of talk.

Then she'd wash your mouth out with soap.
 
2013-06-25 04:58:25 PM
Haha, reminds me of that scene from Spike Lee's "Four LIttle Girls" where he is interviewing an elderly George Wallace, and he calls over his black "best friend." Calls him over twice to show him off to the cameras.

The look on his "best friend's" face is priceless.

http://www.criticalcommons.org/Members/MRobinson/clips/four-little-g ir ls-george-wallace.mp4/view
 
2013-06-25 06:12:49 PM

FlashHarry: Rik01: I certainly knew and used racial slurs and I also knew of black folks using racial slurs against whites.

not quite equal, though, is it? considering that "black folks" were subject to a couple of hundred years of slavery and oppression by whites.


Guess who sold those blacks into slavery?


Here's a hint. They weren't white people.

/drop the whole but muh white peoples so mean!
 
2013-06-25 07:03:50 PM

FlashHarry: Rik01: I certainly knew and used racial slurs and I also knew of black folks using racial slurs against whites.

not quite equal, though, is it? considering that "black folks" were subject to a couple of hundred years of slavery and oppression by whites.


So it's ok that blacks treat all whites a certain way because some whites were cruel to their ancestors?  What's it called when you treat a group of people as if they were the worst of that group that you've known?  I think there's a word for it.
 
2013-06-25 07:57:05 PM
someone say racist?
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2013-06-25 07:59:48 PM
Personally, I'm kinda impressed she uses the word 'people' when talking about the blacks. Huge step foward for the average 60+ year old Georgian.
 
2013-06-25 08:31:07 PM
If you truly feel Paula Deen has been given a raw deal, you should follow the example of the Chik-Fil-A supporters and buy as much of her products and scarf down as much of her food as possible. Here's a link:

http://www.pauladeenstore.com/

The poor woman desperately needs your money. I suggest eating whole sticks of butter wrapped in bacon to show your solidarity, If every Teabagger in the country switched exclusively to a butter and bacon diet for a few months, the world would be a better place.
 
2013-06-25 08:32:09 PM
Any reason that her great grandfather didn't simply hire people to work the plantation?

Boo hoo - He lost his slaves.

Just think about how stupid she sounds.
 
2013-06-25 08:49:03 PM

Chunky_Charlie: NSFW?


LOL!
 
2013-06-25 08:49:25 PM
FlashHarry

Rik01: I certainly knew and used racial slurs and I also knew of black folks using racial slurs against whites.

not quite equal, though, is it? considering that "black folks" were subject to a couple of hundred years of slavery and oppression by whites.


Considering that every race on earth has been slaves, aside from Eskimos, and that their slavery lasted hundreds, if not thousands, of years, plus Africans took slaves themselves long before Europeans arrived and when they did, Africans happily went and wiped out neighboring tribes to get and sell slaves to them. You know, that big continent over there where they still have mass genocide, kill off albino's for witchcraft and rape virgins as a cure for AIDS.

Jill from Saint Paul

Rik01: Besides, the Civil War wasn't that long ago.

150 years ago is not a long time. Gotcha.

Rik01: Most folks over 50 have used racial slurs in their lives because they were born during a time when such a thing was common and just was.

So that makes it okay. Gotcha.

Rik01: Yeah. racial slurs are inappropriate, but unless the one using them is an absolute fanatic and died-in-the-wool racist, there's no freakin' reason to turn it into a media circus, blowing it so out of proportion that it nearly becomes unrecognizable.

BEcause calling slaves "workers" means you have the right mindset about ANYTHING in life.

Rik01: and if you've ever been to Minnesota for any length of time, the common dialect there can set your teeth on edge

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXw-jDO8S8A"


150 years is just a drop in the bucket.

People still yammer on about the French and Indian War. Besides, the Civil War was among basically all of the same people. Americans.

I got news for you, 50 years ago we didn't arrest 5 year olds for bringing cap guns to school, expel 6 year olds for kissing a 6 year old girl on the cheek (who was not offended and nor were her parents) and stamp him a sex offender, throw kids out of school for wearing certain forms of jewelry or expel them for wearing the wrong T-shirt. Nor did we basically ruin the lives of adults by accusing them of sexually molesting a kid, when they didn't or arrest a drunk, taking a leak at night in a bar parking lot, 200 feet from a closed daycare center and slap SEX OFFENDER on his arse.

50 years ago, the majority of people in prison were white. That was before the civil rights movement. After the movement, 80% became black. I wonder why?

We also did not sue the shiat out of everyone for everything and nearly every boy in school carried a pocket knife, which was never used as a weapon.

So, yeah. That makes it OK.

BTW. The highest crime in the Nation is black on black. Why is that? We have Civil Rights, we have the NAACP ready to sue the shiat out of anything that even hints at discrimination, we have Political Correctness and our President is black. We have black millionaires and billionaires. Many, many black controlled businesses. Black movie companies. Black forums on the Internet. Black magazines and hair products and clothing and shoes.

The KKK is basically nothing. Black music is now predominate in the market. We have black cops, doctors, nurses, professors, politicians, mayors, governors, land lords, major land owners, military officers: everything they fought for.

Civil Rights only passed 40 years ago. Look how far they've come since the 'bad old days'.

So, why is black on black crime the highest?

Yeah. Things were different in the past and those of us who lived through those times and fought the battles find it hard to drop habits of a lifetime.

Throughout history, various cultures have irritated the shiat out of each other for a ton of reasons and it's going to be that way probably for several more thousands of years.

Maybe when you've been around as long as I have, you might see the Big Picture and start to grasp the basic principals of human nature.

In actuality, the Europeans have the longest history of slavery on the globe. Odd, how they're not biatching incessantly about it. In my own family tree, there is a distant incident of being slaves -- and later -- slave owners.

BTW. I know a whole bunch of 'racist' terms for whites -- and I'm white. I also have worked for major companies who treated their workers like slaves, which spawned whole new chapters in the Labor Laws.

I recall when white northerners had a whole bunch of nasty names created for them by the white southerners who resented their pouring on down into the southern states.

As for Deen, get over it.
 
2013-06-25 09:19:39 PM
Her great-grand pappy was devastated at the loss of the war and the loss of his "workers" that he shot himself?

img.pandawhale.com
 
2013-06-25 09:20:57 PM

Rik01: BTW. The highest crime in the Nation is black on black.


Citation?
 
2013-06-25 09:22:15 PM
9/11 was almost 12 years ago.  Shouldn't we just get over it?
 
2013-06-25 10:22:29 PM

rnld: 9/11 was almost 12 years ago.  Shouldn't we just get over it?


Yes, along with certain laws and attitudes that came in the wake of it.
 
2013-06-25 11:38:31 PM

Rik01: I got news for you, 50 years ago we didn't arrest 5 year olds for bringing cap guns to school, expel 6 year olds for kissing a 6 year old girl on the cheek (who was not offended and nor were her parents) and stamp him a sex offender, throw kids out of school for wearing certain forms of jewelry or expel them for wearing the wrong T-shirt. Nor did we basically ruin the lives of adults by accusing them of sexually molesting a kid, when they didn't or arrest a drunk, taking a leak at night in a bar parking lot, 200 feet from a closed daycare center and slap SEX OFFENDER on his arse.


Nope, that's true. 50 years ago you kicked kids out of school because their skin was the wrong color. 50 years ago you lynched kids for whistling at the wrong girl. 50 years ago girls andf women were expected to accept unwanted sexual advances and paid a terrible price if they didn't. 50 years ago child molesters got way with their crimes. So what's your point?
 
2013-06-26 12:12:57 AM

rnld: Any reason that her great grandfather didn't simply hire people to work the plantation?

Boo hoo - He lost his slaves.

Just think about how stupid she sounds.


I saw the full story on 'Who Do You Think You Are?' and it told of how the farm dwindled due to paying former slaves fair wages slowly bankrupted the plantation.  So when PD's great grandfather couldn't save his farm while having overhead, then that is why I laughed when they came to part about him killing himself.  It ran in my head as 'boo hoo, I can't be rich AND pay folks to work.  Oh how sad and pitiful it must have been for old great grandpappy.'  Old great grandpappy was a terrible businessman, and that is why he lost the plantation.
 
2013-06-26 12:14:01 AM

Close2TheEdge: Her great-grand pappy was devastated at the loss of the war and the loss of his "workers" that he shot himself?



img.pandawhale.com

I second this.
 
2013-06-26 01:29:43 AM

Rik01: You know, that big continent over there where they still have mass genocide, kill off albino's for witchcraft and rape virgins as a cure for AIDS.


cut to the chase and just cal them ignorant ni@@ers like you want to.
 
2013-06-26 02:10:17 AM
Rik01:

I feel that I channel you sometimes and I'm only 27. The world has gone insane in recent years and don't let the other assholes on this Web site deter you from sharing your stories.
 
2013-06-26 02:24:50 AM

log_jammin: Rik01: You know, that big continent over there where they still have mass genocide, kill off albino's for witchcraft and rape virgins as a cure for AIDS.

cut to the chase and just cal them ignorant ni@@ers like you want to.


Uh ... pretty much all of that is true. And the only ignorant n*ggers I see around where I live are white. In fact, it seems that the only people in my neighborhood who have jobs besides me are my upstairs neighbor (white) and the black family on the corner. The rest actively brag about the money they get on benefits to me (and i make like 18k a year).

I read his posts (yes, I lurk a lot since I'm not always around to argue with assholes but I agree with you a lot so I'm hesitant to call you an asshole) as more "here's how the game's changed" rather than "f*ck all those darkies" but I digress. Keep in mind, I'm part of the last section of humanity who's seen both analogue and digital come together in a beautiful and abhorrent way.

I wish you the best. :) but do me and the rest of us a favor and settle the f*ck down every now and then, hey?
 
2013-06-26 02:40:41 AM
Would you rather be on public trial for being a racist or a pedophile?  Difficulty: You're white.
 
2013-06-26 02:41:59 AM

Rant_Casey's_Rabies_Buffet: Uh ... pretty much all of that is true.


It's a dog whistle.

Rant_Casey's_Rabies_Buffet: And the only ignorant n*ggers I see around where I live are white. In fact, it seems that the only people in my neighborhood who have jobs besides me are my upstairs neighbor (white) and the black family on the corner. The rest actively brag about the money they get on benefits to me (and i make like 18k a year).


ok? did you have a point?

Rant_Casey's_Rabies_Buffet: as more "here's how the game's changed" rather than "f*ck all those darkies"


that may be how you took it, but I highly doubt that's how he meant it.

He seemed to have felt a need to say "blacks are racists too!" and go on and on about how slavery wasn't so bad here because other people had it worse and how blacks are also to blame since Africans sold people into slavery and then he topped it off with his caricature/stereotype  of the place where all those blacks came from.

I've lived around people like this my whole life. I know their game and the words and phrases they try to hide behind. His "but blacks are racist too!" comments are as old as the hills.

Rant_Casey's_Rabies_Buffet: settle the f*ck down every now and then, hey?


as popeye said, I yam what I yam and that's all the I yam.
 
2013-06-26 04:42:55 AM

fickenchucker: It's 2013--when the hell is everyone going to just stop talking about race?  Maybe I'm naive, but who really gives a shiat these days?

Do well to your family and neighbors and stop acting like color matters.


check out Cable TV and see how many documentaries are played about Nazis and war atrocities every week of the year. some will say how we're doomed to repeat history blah blah as the reason. i think there are many who are very interested in certain things no matter how hurtful and they will never let them die. others love to play the pained victim even though they aren't. race / slavery is similar even though history shows that at one time or another most every people were victimized and lorded over by others. perhaps by keeping the masses looking backwards at extremes it keeps people eyes off realizing how enslavened and imprisoned they are today while believing they are free. there is no place to go claim a piece of land and be self sufficient and beholden to no one. freedom is but a state of mind. if people realize they are working their lives away from crumbs of food and shelter from weather they just may get smart and kill the rich and powerful that make life more miserable than it need be.
 
2013-06-26 04:52:10 AM
Phillip Francis Queeg

Nope, that's true. 50 years ago you kicked kids out of school because their skin was the wrong color. 50 years ago you lynched kids for whistling at the wrong girl. 50 years ago girls andf women were expected to accept unwanted sexual advances and paid a terrible price if they didn't. 50 years ago child molesters got way with their crimes. So what's your point?

50 years ago, there was segregation -- so no kids got kicked out of school for being the wrong color. Lynchings were rare by my time, usually done by fanatics, idiots and morons who were taught by their family and friends to hate. I was around when the FBI went after those who killed the 3 civil rights workers and buried them and their car in an earthen dam. I was also around when, 35 years later, the last of the killers was caught, tried and convicted. 50 years ago, we didn't have as many child molesters as we do today. Think there might be a reason why?

Also, 50 years ago, if someone molested a kid, the cops looked the other way if the parent decided to take matters into his own hands. Also, not so many folks were labeled sex offenders over the stupidest excuses.

Since we're gerrymandering some, let me remind you that 50 years ago, we didn't lock our cars when shopping nor our homes. A school fight did not consist of knocking the victim down and kicking the shiat out of his head, ribs and face. That was unacceptable. (I wonder who started that mode of fighting?) Nor did the looser of a fight go home, get a gun and shoot the winner.

Kids had freedoms in schools, the lunches were good, most of the food hand made on the premises, teens being teens were allowed to express themselves and educators understood it was part of growing up. Kids played hard. There were few fat f**ks waddling about the campus. No kid brought a real gun into school. No kid even seriously thought of shooting classmates. Parents backed up the teachers. I got paddled in school and guess what? My folks didn't sue the place.

My city had a black community. I don't recall any problems. I do recall them being poor. However, I also recall them having honor and a great respect for their elderly -- something which changed after Civil Rights. The KKK was active in my town, but the majority of us ignored them as pain in the arses. I also recall the black high school as having a band that was like nothing ever seen locally. They were great! After Civil Rights, the schools were desegregated and the band broken up.

cut to the chase and just cal them ignorant ni@@ers like you want to.


You ought to hear what I call ignorant white people. I don't care what race you are, if you pi$$ me off, I'm going to insult you.

I worked in a place where I was in the minority. I got to view discrimination in a unique way. I also noticed the white bosses ignoring it. Later, I would deliver for years through a minority community and got a real darn good look at how the folks there lived.

It took an old black lady to inform me why most of the houses in her area looked like dumps on the outside yet neat and clean on the inside. Neighbors were less likely to rob a house that looked poor. I also met a skinny old black lady who ran a small neighborhood store and carried a .44 mag under her register because her own folks kept trying to rip her off. From the look in her eyes, I had no doubt that not only could she handle the gun, but she'd hit what she shot at.

He seemed to have felt a need to say "blacks are racists too!" and go on and on about how slavery wasn't so bad here because other people had it worse and how blacks are also to blame since Africans sold people into slavery and then he topped it off with his caricature/stereotype of the place where all those blacks came from.

I've lived around people like this my whole life. I know their game and the words and phrases they try to hide behind. His "but blacks are racist too!" comments are as old as the hills.


Your first sentence is bull. Just pointing out a fact you should know if you studied world history. After decades of listening to whites being called racist and other things, I figured it best to let blacks know that they participated in their own demise. Meaning, they were just as bad as us back then.

See, it's the thing to call whites racist, even when blacks are racist also, but that is different, because they have a right to be racist because they were slaves, though their own people helped them become slaves and whites had been slaves also, so their 'condition' is not exclusively theirs.

There's a lot of folks I don't like of many races and I don't give a shiat if that offends someone. I've watched various races deliberately undermine themselves and then get all hostile when things go to shiat and they blame it on whichever other race is closest.

Get over it.

When people demand equality, they need to accept what they get, not suddenly decide that they should be separate but equal.

I've met a whole lot of dumbarse white folks too. Some have been about as smart as bricks. I grew up when whites wore Q-pee caps (Confederate soldiers hats), drove pickups with the stars and bars in the back window, cursed damn Yankees and every Friday Night went to krappy bars to get drunk and get into fights to be all manly.

I drove dirt roads with nasty looking wooden houses lining them, weed yards or dirt ones, fat white momma's lounging on the sagging porches and yelling at their kids who fought each other bloody. Paw was skinny, usually drunk, had most of his teeth knocked out, deeply tanned, wore battered boots, drove a pickup held together by rust and you'd best not turn your back on him. He disciplined his kids with his big, bony fists and no matter what job he worked at, the boss was an SOB and his supervisor didn't know 'sheit'. Usually, he spent time in jail.

Under the seat of that truck was a pistol also and he'd always have a rifle. In his pocket would be an enormous, razor sharp folding knife.

You don't know what you're talking about. I've seen a tremendous amount of changes, but I also know that some things are still going to go on because it's human nature. There's no sense in hanging someone over something as minor as Deen, when 9 time out of 10, the 'offended' people do worse to themselves.

It's kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.
 
2013-06-26 05:14:15 AM
meth is a helluva drug.
 
2013-06-26 07:06:54 AM
Boy, that takes me back to my childhood.  Her attitude is a pretty common "I'm too sweet to be racist" routine that a lot of my grandparents and other relatives trotted out if the subject came up.

They sort of morphed the civil war into this  dramatic Hallmark movie drama, where the slaves were actually sad to gain freedom, because they secretly loved their owners.

Her treatment of "Hollis" couldn't have been more like he was a pet if she had brought him out on a leash.
 
2013-06-26 08:20:34 AM

Rik01: Look, at some point in their lives, EVERYBODY has used a racial slur. Including Blacks.

That's the way the cookie crumbles and there just aint much anyone can friggin' do about it.

Raised in the 50's and 60's, I certainly knew and used racial slurs and I also knew of black folks using racial slurs against whites. Then again, we had racial slurs for every race, including my own.

In my day, we mainly had white trash. You should have heard what they were called, but that's different because their skin was white. Now we throw about the term 'Trailer Park Trash' like it's a common denominator and no one goes all ballistic and starts suing right and left or publicly harassing and damning the one who said it.

Man! Back in the early part of the 1900's, you'd find insulting names for the Irish, The Poles, The Italians, The Chinese, Northerners, Southerners and everyone else.

Most folks over 50 have used racial slurs in their lives because they were born during a time when such a thing was common and just was.

People born in the deep south have a list of names for white people born in the North -- the majority insulting on some level -- but no one gives a shiat. Hop on over to Texas and listen to the assorted names for Mexican Illegals and even the Legals.

Drop in on a couple of random Indian Reservations and find out what they call the white man behind his back.

However, since these racial slurs concern the African/American race, they're 'evil' and 'despicable' and the utterer is just one step above a sex offender!

Grow the freak up! So long as we have different races there's going to be racial insults. If not racial insults, then religious ones. If not those, then insults concerning the country someone was born in or the language they speak. (I, personally, despise the dialect commonly used in New Orleans. I aint real happy with the true, Bostonian one either. Then there's one area where folks like to say 'ay-yuh' a lot and if you've ever been to Minnesota for any ...


Paula Deens's statement would have been equally offensive and racist if she had used the word black instead of the N word.
 
2013-06-26 08:47:20 AM
I wonder if she ever actually used the words "slaves" or "slavery" in the whole interview. She used a lot of euphemisms like "workers" and "people on his books" as if he were just running a business rather than owning 30 human beings. Then she hauls out her "black friend," about whom she evidently loves making jokes about his hilariously black blackness.

You know, being over 60 and from the South doesn't really explain or excuse any of this. If she were 90 or had spent most of her adult life locked up in a sanitarium with little contact with the outside world, sure. But she built multiple successful businesses and is a major media figure. She knows what a morals clause is and she has had plenty of time to understand and reject the racism of her past. The only explanation for her racism is her racism.
 
2013-06-26 09:05:23 AM

Rik01: My city had a black community. I don't recall any problems. I do recall them being poor. However, I also recall them having honor and a great respect for their elderly -- something which changed after Civil Rights. The KKK was active in my town, but the majority of us ignored them as pain in the arses. I also recall the black high school as having a band that was like nothing ever seen locally. They were great! After Civil Rights, the schools were desegregated and the band broken up.


You don't recall any problems. You ignored what your neighbors in the KKK were doing to your black neighbors. Ignorance is bliss, huh?

But gee, those darkies had could play music! It must be in their blood!

rerunningfromreality.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-06-26 09:27:30 AM

Rik01: Considering that every race on earth has been slaves, aside from Eskimos, and that their slavery lasted hundreds, if not thousands, of years, plus Africans took slaves themselves long before Europeans arrived and when they did, Africans happily went and wiped out neighboring tribes to get and sell slaves to them. You know, that big continent over there where they still have mass genocide, kill off albino's for witchcraft and rape virgins as a cure for AIDS.


so white people in america had it just as tough as black people. got it. 0_o
 
2013-06-26 09:41:43 AM

rnld: Any reason that her great grandfather didn't simply hire people to work the plantation?

Boo hoo - He lost his slaves.

Just think about how stupid she sounds.


There was no labor class in the South, aside from slaves. It would be like cracking down on Mexicans and then telling farmers to hire locals for the harvest. Except many times worse. (Not that I have one bit of sympathy for the confederates.)
 
2013-06-26 09:45:29 AM

Dear Jerk: rnld: Any reason that her great grandfather didn't simply hire people to work the plantation?

Boo hoo - He lost his slaves.

Just think about how stupid she sounds.

There was no labor class in the South, aside from slaves. It would be like cracking down on Mexicans and then telling farmers to hire locals for the harvest. Except many times worse. (Not that I have one bit of sympathy for the confederates.)


The ex-slaves were still around. He would just have had to pay them for their labor and treat them like human beings. Apparently he would rather have killed himself than do that.
 
2013-06-26 09:58:46 AM
I have no idea who Paula Dean is, but the fact that she said "workers" speaks volumes.
 
Ant
2013-06-26 10:47:14 AM

Rik01: Look, at some point in their lives, EVERYBODY has used a racial slur. Including Blacks.


I'm the first person to admit my faults, but I have never used a racial slur. I've called specific black, latino, or asian people assholes, but my insults have never been race-based.
 
2013-06-26 11:52:18 AM

Ant: Rik01: Look, at some point in their lives, EVERYBODY has used a racial slur. Including Blacks.

I'm the first person to admit my faults, but I have never used a racial slur. I've called specific black, latino, or asian people assholes, but my insults have never been race-based.


I've never used one, either, and I'm in no way unusually decent or ethical. We were just taught it was wrong, ugly, and ignorant, and that lesson rang true when we saw the kinds of people who DID use racial slurs. When people say "everyone does it," a) I know they are wrong or lying, and b) I strongly suspect they need to rationalize and excuse their own behavior.
 
2013-06-26 01:29:59 PM

Maud Dib: indarwinsshadow: Just...wow.

How the hell can she even believe he had "30 something people on his books" who "worked" for him? How is that possible in the 21st century.

I admit it. I don't understand Americans.

Well, we all know that Canadians are perfect in regarding other races as equal, eh?

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No. We have our fair share of red necks, and race baiters. I wasn't saying that, but you go ahead and twist the sh*t out of it if it makes you sleep at night.
 
2013-06-26 01:41:03 PM

FloydA: "Tu Quoque"


This is not her trying to justify the word because others have said it. This is trying to get people to look at their own past and not be so quick to crucify.

Self reflection is very difficult - I understand that.  But we all could learn to be less judgmental...
 
2013-06-26 02:04:41 PM

Truther: FloydA: "Tu Quoque"

This is not her trying to justify the word because others have said it. This is trying to get people to look at their own past and not be so quick to crucify.

Self reflection is very difficult - I understand that.  But we all could learn to be less judgmental...



The Tu Quoque fallacy is a classic "red herring."  It is an attempt to deflect or dismiss an by critiquing the character of the person who presents it, rather than critiquing the argument itself.  Whether or not it is acceptable for Paula Deen to use racial slurs has to be argued on its own merits.  Whether anyone else has ever done so is simply irrelevant to that argument.

You (not Deen) committed the fallacy by accusing others of also using slurs.  The point is that what others have done has absolutely no bearing on whether or not it is acceptable behavior.  Using racial slurs is wrong all the time, and the fact that those who point it out have also been guilty of the same transgression does not, in any way, mitigate Deen's behavior.
 
2013-06-26 02:31:05 PM
From the vid:  "I feel like the south is almost less prejudiced because black folks played such an integral part in our lives. They were like our family."

Yeah, no, you're not a stupid coont of a racist at all.
 
2013-06-26 07:44:57 PM

someonelse: I wonder if she ever actually used the words "slaves" or "slavery" in the whole interview. She used a lot of euphemisms like "workers" and "people on his books" as if he were just running a business rather than owning 30 human beings. Then she hauls out her "black friend," about whom she evidently loves making jokes about his hilariously black blackness.

You know, being over 60 and from the South doesn't really explain or excuse any of this. If she were 90 or had spent most of her adult life locked up in a sanitarium with little contact with the outside world, sure. But she built multiple successful businesses and is a major media figure. She knows what a morals clause is and she has had plenty of time to understand and reject the racism of her past. The only explanation for her racism is her racism.


Here is the thing, and I know I'm going to catch heat over it, but he was "just running a business."  It's strange to say it, and I don't agree with how it was done, but it is the truth.  That is how business was conducted.  Humanity has only very recently abandoned slave labor.  I can't think of a major civilization throughout history that did not employ it to some extent.  We didn't value human life as much as we do now.  It wasn't about race.  It was economics.  For pure unskilled labor, you cannot beat slavery economically.  So I can see why a huge surge in labor costs would trouble a business owner greatly.

That being said, I think slavery caused racism towards blacks in America.  I don't think it started as "these people are black and beneath us, let's take them as slaves."  I admit, I could be completely wrong.  I don't have access to the minds of slave-traders.  I think the racism mainly started because people were looking down on them because they were slaves.  It's not surprising, look at how the lowest class of people are treated in other societies.

Interestingly, when looking at it from a purely business perspective, it can be seen how the end of slavery was part of the foundation for modern employee rights.

I only have one more thing to say, and it may also be controversial.  For race to not matter anymore, people need to take things for themselves, instead of needing to be told they can have them.  That's true of other forms of discrimination as well.  The only discrimination that I think will always require protection is that against the handicapped.  Well, until we get awesome cybernetics.
 
2013-06-26 07:46:21 PM

Close2TheEdge: Her great-grand pappy was devastated at the loss of the war and the loss of his "workers" that he shot himself?

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Thirded.

/and they weren't "workers", you coont, they were SLAVES.
 
2013-06-26 11:54:16 PM

Feint: It wasn't about race.  It was economics.  For pure unskilled labor, you cannot beat slavery economically.  So I can see why a huge surge in labor costs would trouble a business owner greatly.

That being said, I think slavery caused racism towards blacks in America.  I don't think it started as "these people are black and beneath us, let's take them as slaves."  I admit, I could be completely wrong.  I don't have access to the minds of slave-traders.  I think the racism mainly started because people were looking down on them because they were slaves.  It's not surprising, look at how the lowest class of people are treated in other societies.


You think it was all just an amazing coincidence that the slaves were all black?
 
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