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2013-06-25 09:37:12 AM
Alito can EABOD.
 
2013-06-25 09:38:02 AM
The offense against decorum is greater when the object of scorn is a woman 17 years his senior, one who is acknowledged even by most of her critics to have spent a distinguished career selflessly pursuing justice in the precise area of her dissent--gender equality in society in general and the workplace in particular. Her words are as worthy of respectful attention as were his. Link
 
2013-06-25 09:41:47 AM
The Joe Wilsonification of conservative politics has spread to the Supreme Court.  Quelle surprise.
 
2013-06-25 09:42:32 AM
Wait, we are shocked now that Alito is a dick?  I thought that was the selling point when he was appointed.  When you come off as more of a douche that Scalia, you might want to re-evaluate your actions and choices in life.

Also, shouldn't Thomas have to recuse himself from any case dealing with sexual harrassment since he clearly doesn't know where the line between what is and isn't harrassment?
 
2013-06-25 09:44:20 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: The offense against decorum is greater when the object of scorn is a woman 17 years his senior, one who is acknowledged even by most of her critics to have spent a distinguished career selflessly pursuing justice in the precise area of her dissent--gender equality in society in general and the workplace in particular. Her words are as worthy of respectful attention as were his. Link


What? We can't make fun of batty old ladies?
 
2013-06-25 09:47:12 AM
I wonder how Alito will vote on DOMA/P8? He looks like he has a little bit of secret fabulousness in him.
 
2013-06-25 09:49:22 AM
Does Alito need to be burped?
 
2013-06-25 09:51:25 AM

vernonFL: Dusk-You-n-Me: The offense against decorum is greater when the object of scorn is a woman 17 years his senior, one who is acknowledged even by most of her critics to have spent a distinguished career selflessly pursuing justice in the precise area of her dissent--gender equality in society in general and the workplace in particular. Her words are as worthy of respectful attention as were his. Link

What? We can't make fun of batty old ladies?


You shut your whore mouth when Ruth Bader Ginsburg is talking, biatch.
 
2013-06-25 09:52:59 AM

vernonFL: Dusk-You-n-Me: The offense against decorum is greater when the object of scorn is a woman 17 years his senior, one who is acknowledged even by most of her critics to have spent a distinguished career selflessly pursuing justice in the precise area of her dissent--gender equality in society in general and the workplace in particular. Her words are as worthy of respectful attention as were his. Link

What? We can't make fun of batty old ladies?


You refer to Ruth Bader Ginsburg as "batty" at your peril. She could stare holes in adamantium-coated diamonds.

// to say nothing of what her mind-powers can do to the heartiest of competitors
 
2013-06-25 09:54:32 AM
Conservative person acting like a petulant child.  News at 11.
 
2013-06-25 09:54:59 AM
Wow, I was just joking!

I guess I just learned the first lesson of SCOTUS posting: Don't fark with Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
 
2013-06-25 09:57:10 AM
Shut up barjockey Alito, you cock.
 
2013-06-25 09:57:48 AM
Thank you so much, George Bush, for giving us this young asshole who, much like your policies, will plague our nation for years after you are gone.
 
2013-06-25 09:58:01 AM
So no ScotusBlog link today?
 
2013-06-25 09:58:31 AM
Alito makes Thomas and Scalia look good, so he has that going for him.  Which kind of sucks
 
2013-06-25 09:59:12 AM

PanicMan: So no ScotusBlog link today?


Here you go.
 
2013-06-25 09:59:33 AM

PanicMan: So no ScotusBlog link today?


I'm just following on the website and on the twitters.
 
2013-06-25 10:05:00 AM
'Vote is 5-4.' Is the damn SCOTUS always so divided along ideological lines? Makes me question the very legitimacy of the institution.
 
2013-06-25 10:05:56 AM
Sounds much more high school than kindergarten.

Also, I rolled my eyes, too.
 
2013-06-25 10:07:14 AM

Cythraul: 'Vote is 5-4.' Is the damn SCOTUS always so divided along ideological lines? Makes me question the very legitimacy of the institution.


At least when it comes to business interests, yes, it seems to be that way. This is the fourth case released in the last two days on the exact same 5-4 split.
 
2013-06-25 10:09:11 AM
"Adoptive Couple vs. Baby Girl". Apparently the adoptive couple were successful, and their baby girl is finally going back to jail. Or something.
 
2013-06-25 10:09:23 AM

vernonFL: Wow, I was just joking!

I guess I just learned the first lesson of SCOTUS posting: Don't fark with Ruth Bader Ginsburg.


You learn faster than Alito.
 
2013-06-25 10:10:18 AM
If tenure for life is too difficult a job for Mr. Alito, I'm sure there are plenty of lobbying firms that would love for him to stop taking bribes and start paying them out to other corrupt federal officials.
 
2013-06-25 10:11:13 AM
Is this out SC thread today? The Chief wrote the VRA case. Don't know if thats good or bad yet.
 
2013-06-25 10:11:41 AM
I suspect that Alito cost Arlen Specter his job - Specter went with party loyalty instead of personal conviction is ultimately voting for Alito.
 
2013-06-25 10:11:43 AM

vernonFL: Wow, I was just joking!

I guess I just learned the first lesson of SCOTUS posting: Don't fark with Ruth Bader Ginsburg.


images.politico.com
Come at the king queen, you best not miss.
 
2013-06-25 10:11:51 AM
VRA PRECLEARANCE FORMULA IS STRUCK DOWN

Jesus.
 
2013-06-25 10:12:05 AM
Shelby: 5-4:  Holding: Section 4 of the Voting Rights Act is unconstitutional. Its formula can no longer be used as a basis for subjecting jurisdictions to preclearance.
 
2013-06-25 10:12:07 AM
Amy Howe: I should have a macro for the dissent.

Might as well.
 
2013-06-25 10:12:41 AM
Well, there goes voting rights for a crapton of people.
 
2013-06-25 10:12:55 AM
You have got to be kidding me.
 
2013-06-25 10:13:21 AM
Great job with the whole judicial restraint thing, conservative justices. Law has been in effect for 50 years, was just re-authorized 98-0, and they overturn it.
 
2013-06-25 10:14:24 AM

Cythraul: PanicMan: So no ScotusBlog link today?

Here you go.


Hey now.  I'll have none of your shenanigans.

/I meant a Fark discussion link.
 
2013-06-25 10:14:40 AM
Holding continued:  The Court makes clear that: "Our decision in no way affects the permanent, nationwide ban on racial discrimination in voting found in [Section] 2. We issue no holding on [Section] 5 itself, only on the coverage formula. Congress may draft another formula based on current conditions"
 
2013-06-25 10:15:37 AM
"Our decision in no way affects the permanent, nationwide ban on racial discrimination in voting found in [Section] 2. We issue no holding on [Section] 5 itself, only on the coverage formula."

So the idea of a preclearance list is OK, but the list in use is not OK? That's what it looks like.
 
2013-06-25 10:16:32 AM

DamnYankees: VRA PRECLEARANCE FORMULA IS STRUCK DOWN

Jesus.


I'm not super happy with that outcome, but it's not a disaster. It just means Congress has to step in and write a new preclearance formula.

Oh, wait. Congress has to do something now.
 
2013-06-25 10:16:48 AM

USCLaw2010: Holding continued:  The Court makes clear that: "Our decision in no way affects the permanent, nationwide ban on racial discrimination in voting found in [Section] 2. We issue no holding on [Section] 5 itself, only on the coverage formula. Congress may draft another formula based on current conditions"


Yeah, I'm sure Congress will get right on that.
 
2013-06-25 10:17:06 AM
<i>The Court makes clear that: "Our decision in no way affects the permanent, nationwide ban on racial discrimination in voting found in [Section] 2."</i>

Really? Gee, thanks, Roberts. How terribly magnanimous of you, to point out that racial discrimination is still illegal, even though you've just eviscerated the only mechanism for actually enforcing it.
 
2013-06-25 10:17:15 AM
So much for the gay stuff. They wouldn't doom the VRA and gay people in the same day. They'll wait to screw over another minority later in the week.
 
2013-06-25 10:18:08 AM

Cythraul: So much for the gay stuff. They wouldn't doom the VRA and gay people in the same day. They'll wait to screw over another minority later in the week.


Yep, pretty sure we're farked.
 
2013-06-25 10:18:11 AM

Serious Black: DamnYankees: VRA PRECLEARANCE FORMULA IS STRUCK DOWN

Jesus.

I'm not super happy with that outcome, but it's not a disaster. It just means Congress has to step in and write a new preclearance formula.

Oh, wait. Congress has to do something now.


Congress couldn't agree that the sky is blue these days.
 
2013-06-25 10:18:12 AM

RminusQ: "Our decision in no way affects the permanent, nationwide ban on racial discrimination in voting found in [Section] 2. We issue no holding on [Section] 5 itself, only on the coverage formula."

So the idea of a preclearance list is OK, but the list in use is not OK? That's what it looks like.


That's what it looks like to me. They're saying many of the jurisdictions in Section 4 have not been discriminating while many discriminations not in Section 4 have been.
 
2013-06-25 10:18:54 AM

Cythraul: 'Vote is 5-4.' Is the damn SCOTUS always so divided along ideological lines? Makes me question the very legitimacy of the institution.


I got jumped on hard here a couple of years ago for suggesting 5-4 was this courts consistent pattern

/I still think I was right
 
2013-06-25 10:19:21 AM
As of today, George Bush has officially caused more damage due to his Supreme Court appointments than from his actions in office.

/Citizens United wasn't quite enough to be worse than the Iraq war by itself.
//Looks like Anthony Kennedy has completed his descent into Old Conservative Dumbass.
 
2013-06-25 10:19:32 AM
From scotusblog:


10:18Amy Howe:Justice Ginsburg has begun reading from her dissent. Alito said to be making "jerk-off" motions and sticking out his tongue.
 
2013-06-25 10:19:32 AM

PonceAlyosha: Cythraul: So much for the gay stuff. They wouldn't doom the VRA and gay people in the same day. They'll wait to screw over another minority later in the week.

Yep, pretty sure we're farked.


At this rate, I might be able to get gay married in the state of North Carolina by the time I'm 50 (currently 35).
 
2013-06-25 10:19:52 AM

The 2008 House vote to renew the Voting Rights Act was 390-33. #SCOTUS vote to eviscerate it is 5-4.

- Alec MacGillis (@AlecMacGillis) June 25, 2013


Now that's Judicial activism.
 
2013-06-25 10:20:09 AM

Cythraul: 'Vote is 5-4.' Is the damn SCOTUS always so divided along ideological lines? Makes me question the very legitimacy of the institution.


95+% of cases that are appealed to the Supreme Court don't get heard which implies all the justices agree on them.  Only when there is intense disagreement or the lower courts really fark things up do the justices take a case.
 
2013-06-25 10:23:05 AM

Cythraul: Serious Black: DamnYankees: VRA PRECLEARANCE FORMULA IS STRUCK DOWN

Jesus.

I'm not super happy with that outcome, but it's not a disaster. It just means Congress has to step in and write a new preclearance formula.

Oh, wait. Congress has to do something now.

Congress couldn't agree that the sky is blue these days.


To be fair, that's not exactly a cut and dry issue.
 
2013-06-25 10:23:24 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: The 2008 House vote to renew the Voting Rights Act was 390-33. #SCOTUS vote to eviscerate it is 5-4.

- Alec MacGillis (@AlecMacGillis) June 25, 2013


Correction: That vote was in 2006, not 2008.
 
2013-06-25 10:23:46 AM
From Twitter:

Congress being asked to fix the VRA = that cop in "The Big Lebowski" being asked to look for "leads"
 
2013-06-25 10:24:31 AM
So, just what is an activist judge?

Is it the 5 or is it the 4?

I guess it's a lot like war crimes. If you win, it's not activism.
 
2013-06-25 10:26:53 AM
The butthurt is strong with this one.
 
2013-06-25 10:29:56 AM
A Bushie acting like a child? Who would have thought!
 
2013-06-25 10:30:13 AM
Last cases tomorrow at 10am
 
2013-06-25 10:30:51 AM
Amy Howe: From the Chief Justice: Tomorrow at 10 a.m. will be the last day and we will release all the remaining opinions.
Amy Howe: From the Chief Justice: Tomorrow at 10 a.m. will be the last day and we will release all the remaining opinions.
Amy Howe: From the Chief Justice: Tomorrow at 10 a.m. will be the last day and we will release all the remaining opinions.

FINALLY!
 
2013-06-25 10:30:55 AM
Can Obama appoint himself to the Supreme Court? Because awesome.
 
2013-06-25 10:31:09 AM
Last call is tomorrow.
 
2013-06-25 10:33:00 AM
So gay marriage tomorrow? I'll bring the popcorn.
 
2013-06-25 10:33:36 AM
We need a few more like Alito. Who decided that justices are supposed to sit motionless when psychopaths like Ginsburg or Obama say something psychotic?
 
2013-06-25 10:34:54 AM
wow, what a petulant little prick.
 
2013-06-25 10:35:54 AM

Mentat: USCLaw2010: Holding continued:  The Court makes clear that: "Our decision in no way affects the permanent, nationwide ban on racial discrimination in voting found in [Section] 2. We issue no holding on [Section] 5 itself, only on the coverage formula. Congress may draft another formula based on current conditions"

Yeah, I'm sure Congress will get right on that.


Laserlike focus.
 
2013-06-25 10:49:59 AM

Noam Chimpsky: We need a few more like Alito. Who decided that justices are supposed to sit motionless when psychopaths like Ginsburg or Obama say something psychotic?


In the spirit of the Ace Attorney games.


PROJECTION!
 
2013-06-25 10:52:12 AM

Noam Chimpsky: psychopaths


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-06-25 10:55:42 AM

Serious Black: Alito can EABOD.


Why would he eat a bag of Doritos?
 
2013-06-25 10:59:09 AM

vernonFL: So gay marriage tomorrow? I'll bring the popcorn.


I remain convinced that the Court will decide the DOMA case on procedural grounds and avoid the merits entirely. The same may be true of the Prop 8 case as well.
 
2013-06-25 11:00:15 AM

Snarfangel: Serious Black: Alito can EABOD.

Why would he eat a bag of Doritos?


farm6.static.flickr.com

A Ball Of Dustbunnies?
 
2013-06-25 11:02:50 AM

Dr Dreidel: vernonFL: Dusk-You-n-Me: The offense against decorum is greater when the object of scorn is a woman 17 years his senior, one who is acknowledged even by most of her critics to have spent a distinguished career selflessly pursuing justice in the precise area of her dissent--gender equality in society in general and the workplace in particular. Her words are as worthy of respectful attention as were his. Link

What? We can't make fun of batty old ladies?

You refer to Ruth Bader Ginsburg as "batty" at your peril. She could stare holes in adamantium-coated diamonds.


Plus, her cats would scratch your eyes out.
 
2013-06-25 11:09:14 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: Snarfangel: Serious Black: Alito can EABOD.

Why would he eat a bag of Doritos?

[farm6.static.flickr.com image 240x172]

A Ball Of Dustbunnies?


myowngreengrass.com

A bar of Dial. Careful, though - too much of it will lead to blindness.
 
2013-06-25 11:11:01 AM

Snarfangel: Serious Black: Alito can EABOD.

Why would he eat a bag of Doritos?


Well if he was high it would make his behavior more understandable, and if memory serves me Doritos are great when you are high, I mean I heard that dopers like Doritos, yeah that is what I meant.
 
2013-06-25 11:14:16 AM
Alito is quite open in his opinion that women are not as fully human as men. We've known that since before he was confirmed. What we did not know is that he is also a big baby with no impulse control.

Clarence Thomas is happy that there is finally a worse justice on the bench.
 
2013-06-25 11:16:40 AM

Hollie Maea: Thank you so much, George Bush, for giving us this young asshole who, much like your policies, will plague our nation for years after you are gone.


Alito ain't THAT young, and all that rage and hate does bad things to a man, twists up the vitals and taxes the heart, he's either going to have to mellow or he's be a fairly early replacement.   Scalia, for all his flaws, has mellowed CONSIDERBALY in the past decade which ois probably the only reason he;s still alive.
 
2013-06-25 11:20:50 AM
I find him to be the most interesting person on the court. He doesn't take himself or those around him too seriously.
 
2013-06-25 11:21:48 AM
Scalia may be a wrongheaded jerk, but he can be a funny wrongheaded jerk, and he and Ginsburg are good friends. It's good for the country if the members of the court can be polite/civil/friendly with each other, especially in a public setting.
 
2013-06-25 11:22:14 AM

BMulligan: vernonFL: So gay marriage tomorrow? I'll bring the popcorn.

I remain convinced that the Court will decide the DOMA case on procedural grounds and avoid the merits entirely. The same may be true of the Prop 8 case as well.


I'm half expecting it to be kicked back to a lower court for re-evaluating on a different standards level or something along those lines.

If they do make an up or down decision on it, no matter what they decide the butthurt will be very strong for some time.
 
2013-06-25 11:23:23 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: , one who is acknowledged even by most of her critics to have spent a distinguished career selflessly pursuing justice in the precise area of her dissent--gender equality in society in general and the workplace in particular.


Yet this is exactly my criticism of her. In general, I agree with her and when she leaves I will miss her just like I miss Souter, who was often her ally. But the truth is that as soon as she starts thinking with her vagina her common sense flies right out the window. Normally, she is a "balls and strikes" kind of person but then all of a sudden becomes a "balls and vagina" person. It's disappointing.
 
2013-06-25 11:23:51 AM
Alzheimer's?
 
2013-06-25 11:26:01 AM

worlddan: But the truth is that as soon as she starts thinking with her vagina


Uh. Juvenile and unnecessary.
 
2013-06-25 11:35:32 AM

worlddan: But the truth is that as soon as she starts thinking with her vagina her common sense flies right out the window.


wut ?
 
2013-06-25 11:37:56 AM

Cythraul: I wonder how Alito will vote on DOMA/P8? He looks like he has a little bit of secret fabulousness in him.


Alito isn't gay. He's a card-carrying member of the He-Man Woman-Haters Cub.
 
2013-06-25 11:40:40 AM

pkellmey: I find him to be the most interesting person on the court. He doesn't take himself or those around him too seriously.


Oh, I think he takes himself mighty seriously.
 
2013-06-25 11:52:48 AM
This is one reason "both sides are the same!" people are full of crap.
 
2013-06-25 12:08:40 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: worlddan: But the truth is that as soon as she starts thinking with her vagina

Uh. Juvenile and unnecessary.


It is not unnecessary because it true. And I say that as a fan. Everybody has weaknesses and this is hers. It's unfortunate, but there it is. I refuse to idolize people.
 
2013-06-25 12:13:27 PM

Cythraul: Serious Black: DamnYankees: VRA PRECLEARANCE FORMULA IS STRUCK DOWN

Jesus.

I'm not super happy with that outcome, but it's not a disaster. It just means Congress has to step in and write a new preclearance formula.

Oh, wait. Congress has to do something now.

Congress couldn't agree that the sky is blue these days.


It's only blue on the Left side.
 
2013-06-25 12:20:41 PM

worlddan: Dusk-You-n-Me: , one who is acknowledged even by most of her critics to have spent a distinguished career selflessly pursuing justice in the precise area of her dissent--gender equality in society in general and the workplace in particular.

Yet this is exactly my criticism of her. In general, I agree with her and when she leaves I will miss her just like I miss Souter, who was often her ally. But the truth is that as soon as she starts thinking with her vagina her common sense flies right out the window. Normally, she is a "balls and strikes" kind of person but then all of a sudden becomes a "balls and vagina" person. It's disappointing.


Wow...what a farking disrespectful thing to say. Talk about totally negating any kind of argument you had.

Douchebag. Wow.
 
2013-06-25 12:21:30 PM

worlddan: Dusk-You-n-Me: worlddan: But the truth is that as soon as she starts thinking with her vagina

Uh. Juvenile and unnecessary.

It is not unnecessary because it true. And I say that as a fan. Everybody has weaknesses and this is hers. It's unfortunate, but there it is. I refuse to idolize people.


There's a difference between tempering your "idolization" of someone and being an outright asshole. You need to learn that distinction.
 
2013-06-25 12:24:47 PM
o.onionstatic.com
 
2013-06-25 12:25:16 PM
Bush v. Gore was literally one of the worst things to happen the the United States in a very long time.

THANKS A LOT NADER VOTERS, YOU DUMB FARKING SMELLY POT-SMOKING DULLARD HIPPIE LACKWITS!
 
2013-06-25 12:28:19 PM

Noam Chimpsky: We need a few more like Alito. Who decided that justices are supposed to sit motionless when psychopaths like Ginsburg or Obama say something psychotic?


Oh.  You again.
 
2013-06-25 12:29:37 PM

Primum: LACKWIT


That is my new favorite word.  I will spend the day looking for an opportunity to use it in conversation.
 
2013-06-25 12:35:02 PM
Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-06-25 01:16:55 PM

PonceAlyosha: Cythraul: So much for the gay stuff. They wouldn't doom the VRA and gay people in the same day. They'll wait to screw over another minority later in the week.

Yep, pretty sure we're farked.


Just not by someone of the same gender, please.
 
2013-06-25 01:22:39 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-06-25 01:23:18 PM

Cythraul: Serious Black: DamnYankees: VRA PRECLEARANCE FORMULA IS STRUCK DOWN

Jesus.

I'm not super happy with that outcome, but it's not a disaster. It just means Congress has to step in and write a new preclearance formula.

Oh, wait. Congress has to do something now.

Congress couldn't agree that the sky is blue these days.


While I acknowledge that the senator from where-ever-he's-from-istan may be correct in saying that the sky often has some blue in it, I believe that a careful study of the windows will show that today it is, in fact, a uniform gray. This unpredictability clearly would make his bill regarding the Hue of the Heavens a lethal vulnerability in our national defense.

/That bill will clearly require us to sleep in a tauntaun.
 
2013-06-25 01:37:15 PM
10 year term limit? 20?
 
2013-06-25 01:47:34 PM

urbangirl: Noam Chimpsky: We need a few more like Alito. Who decided that justices are supposed to sit motionless when psychopaths like Ginsburg or Obama say something psychotic?

Oh.  You again.


I notice you failed to answer the question.
 
2013-06-25 01:54:58 PM
Who does he think he is, Obama?

The nerve of that guy!
 
2013-06-25 02:08:57 PM
Why do we not replace these f*cking idiots once every few years, again?  No one should ever receive a lifetime appointment to ANYTHING, much less something as critical to the country as SCOTUS.

Also, has anyone mentioned that Alito being a total dick shouldn't be a surprise to anyone?
 
2013-06-25 02:24:06 PM

Noam Chimpsky: urbangirl: Noam Chimpsky: We need a few more like Alito. Who decided that justices are supposed to sit motionless when psychopaths like Ginsburg or Obama say something psychotic?

Oh.  You again.

I notice you failed to answer the question.


You see, we have these things called social norms and respect for the office that mean that you don't roll your eyes and make faces like Chevy Chase when your colleague is speaking.  These behaviors allow us to function as a civilization despite our differences.

If you weren't such an aspie you might know that already.
 
2013-06-25 02:30:58 PM
Prediction: DOMA and Prop. 8 get upheld. Their reasoning for Prop. 8 will be that it doesn't retroactively make gay marriages that happened previous to it invalid, so no one lost anything (?!). DOMA will be some "state rights" argument.
 
2013-06-25 03:30:47 PM
Farklibs are upset that Alito mocks fools?  Really?
 
2013-06-25 03:33:49 PM

Granny_Panties: Can Obama appoint himself to the Supreme Court? Because awesome.


He can, but he would have to be approved by the Senate and then immediately resign as President.
 
2013-06-25 03:36:33 PM

themindiswatching: Prediction: DOMA and Prop. 8 get upheld. Their reasoning for Prop. 8 will be that it doesn't retroactively make gay marriages that happened previous to it invalid, so no one lost anything (?!). DOMA will be some "state rights" argument.


As a moderate/conservative, I actually expect the opposite.

Proposition 8, DOMA, and similar laws are in violation of "full faith and credit" clause of the USC. While choosing not to issue marriage licenses to certain couples is the right of each state, they cannot deny couples married in other states the same rights as in their home states. Prop 8 goes too far. As for DOMA, its a states-rights issue. Congress doesnt have the enumerated power to define marriage.
 
2013-06-25 03:46:18 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
"Chicks. Always farking up the rationality of men's work."

cdn.ph.upi.com
"Sam, could I see you outside for a moment?"

thedailyrecord.com
*oomph* *uuuuh* *OWWWWW* *that was my liver!*

2.bp.blogspot.com
"What I meant to say was, I'm honored as always to share the bench with such esteemed colleagues."
 
2013-06-25 03:49:12 PM

tbeatty: Farklibs are upset that Alito mocks fools?  Really?


I suppose you would have been fine with Ginsburg giving Alito biting her thumb at him as he read his opinions yesterday?
 
2013-06-25 03:50:44 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: Proposition 8, DOMA, and similar laws are in violation of "full faith and credit" clause of the USC.


I think this will be the kicker. I don't see the Court forcing states to issue same-sex marriage licenses under the Equal Rights Amendment, but I do see them forcing states (and the Federal Government) to recognize same-sex spouses with all rights and benefits, so long as a legal marriage license has been issued in some state. If this is the case, it won't be long before all states issue same-sex marriage licenses.
 
2013-06-25 04:09:48 PM

Serious Black: tbeatty: Farklibs are upset that Alito mocks fools?  Really?

I suppose you would have been fine with Ginsburg giving Alito biting her thumb at him as he read his opinions yesterday?


img.gawkerassets.com
"Nay, as he dares; I will bite my thumb at him, which is a disgrace to him, if he bears it."

www.apfn.org
"Do you bite your thumb at me, madam?"

z.about.com
"I do bite my thumb, sir!"

images.usatoday.com
"Do you bite your thumb at me, madam?"

www.slate.com
"Is the law on my side, if I say aye?"

www.examiner.com
"Ruth, this is the Supreme Court. We decide what the law is!"

images.businessweek.com
"Bring it, Sammy boy!"
 
2013-06-25 04:12:41 PM

ox45tallboy: Serious Black: tbeatty: Farklibs are upset that Alito mocks fools?  Really?

I suppose you would have been fine with Ginsburg giving Alito biting her thumb at him as he read his opinions yesterday?

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"Nay, as he dares; I will bite my thumb at him, which is a disgrace to him, if he bears it."

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"Do you bite your thumb at me, madam?"

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"I do bite my thumb, sir!"

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"Do you bite your thumb at me, madam?"

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"Is the law on my side, if I say aye?"

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"Ruth, this is the Supreme Court. We decide what the law is!"

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"Bring it, Sammy boy!"


Thanks for that, buddy. I knew you'd do the Romeo and Juliet reference.
 
2013-06-25 04:23:38 PM
this is all dana milbank has got?  Alito needs to add more tommy tutone to his written opinions?  and i thought the right whined about every little damned thing.
 
2013-06-25 04:24:06 PM
It would be hilarious if  Ginsburg stopped, glared at Alito, and asked ominously,

"Is  there something you'd like to share with rest of us, young man?"
 
2013-06-25 04:59:10 PM

BarkingUnicorn: It would be hilarious if  Ginsburg stopped, glared at Alito, and asked ominously,

"Is  there something you'd like to share with rest of us, young man?"


Actually, just calling him "young man" in nearly any situation would be hilarious enough. More so if she followed it up with something along the lines of, "I hope you brought enough to share with everyone" or "I think you need to stay after Court and write 'I must respect my Senior Justices' three hundred times on the blackboard."
 
2013-06-25 05:10:40 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: themindiswatching: Prediction: DOMA and Prop. 8 get upheld. Their reasoning for Prop. 8 will be that it doesn't retroactively make gay marriages that happened previous to it invalid, so no one lost anything (?!). DOMA will be some "state rights" argument.

As a moderate/conservative, I actually expect the opposite.

Proposition 8, DOMA, and similar laws are in violation of "full faith and credit" clause of the USC. While choosing not to issue marriage licenses to certain couples is the right of each state, they cannot deny couples married in other states the same rights as in their home states. Prop 8 goes too far. As for DOMA, its a states-rights issue. Congress doesnt have the enumerated power to define marriage.


Yeah, I suspect that is most likely. Prop 8 thrown out only saying you can't take away the rights once granted (allowing some marriages to be grandfathered in, I would see as an issue as then there are people indisputably being treated differently). No affect in most states.

For DOMA you just dump it and then in time there will be another case to try and force states to recognize valid gay marriages from other states.

But, as with anything in court, there is always a chance this can go either way.
 
2013-06-25 06:39:18 PM

FlyingLizardOfDoom: themindiswatching: Prediction: DOMA and Prop. 8 get upheld. Their reasoning for Prop. 8 will be that it doesn't retroactively make gay marriages that happened previous to it invalid, so no one lost anything (?!). DOMA will be some "state rights" argument.

As a moderate/conservative, I actually expect the opposite.

Proposition 8, DOMA, and similar laws are in violation of "full faith and credit" clause of the USC. While choosing not to issue marriage licenses to certain couples is the right of each state, they cannot deny couples married in other states the same rights as in their home states. Prop 8 goes too far. As for DOMA, its a states-rights issue. Congress doesnt have the enumerated power to define marriage.


"Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof. "

ORLY?
 
2013-06-25 06:59:18 PM

Cataholic: FlyingLizardOfDoom: themindiswatching: Prediction: DOMA and Prop. 8 get upheld. Their reasoning for Prop. 8 will be that it doesn't retroactively make gay marriages that happened previous to it invalid, so no one lost anything (?!). DOMA will be some "state rights" argument.

As a moderate/conservative, I actually expect the opposite.

Proposition 8, DOMA, and similar laws are in violation of "full faith and credit" clause of the USC. While choosing not to issue marriage licenses to certain couples is the right of each state, they cannot deny couples married in other states the same rights as in their home states. Prop 8 goes too far. As for DOMA, its a states-rights issue. Congress doesnt have the enumerated power to define marriage.

"Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof. "

ORLY?


DOMA does not relate to the laws of the various states. It creates an entirely new class independent of the states, meaning that by federal law, Arizona is required to accept Hawaii's marriages, but the federal government is not. It creates a problem under the 10th amendment and the national supremacy clause if DOMA is valid and FF&C is enforced at the same time.
 
2013-06-25 08:59:04 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: 10 year term limit? 20?


Honestly, I've argued for awhile that a finite term limit would do wonders for the court. My idea is something along the lines of 20 years after the person who nominated you is out of office. So, January 20th of 2037 (20 years after President Obama is relieved), Justices Kagan and Sotomayor become "Justice Emeritus" and are free to argue cases in front of the court, provide opinions in the privacy of the court's counsel, and may otherwise offer secondary leadership. But they cannot serve in any other judiciary position and are given a lifetime pension. That makes the maximum term of tenure 28 years, assuming a nomination happened on the first day of a new administration.

And if we apply it retroactively, Scalia and Thomas get kicked to the curb.
 
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