EvilEgg: have big screen TVs
The Stealth Hippopotamus: chimp_ninja: And right on time, you prove my point. Really, there's no political interest in oil? You can't think of anything? That must be why the oil industry spends zero dollars on lobbying and I never, ever read about oil in international news.Wasting gasoline is the least patriotic thing Americans routinely do. It fouls our air, hastens climate change, stresses our crumbling infrastructure, and strengthens our geopolitical enemies.No political interests on the pump side. That's just between the federal government and the end user. And you admitted it's the most regressive tax! That's what we are trying to do is get money into the hands of the lower incomes! Fuel is also a cost of goods sold of every single thing you buy! And that was just half of the ideas I listed. So did you like the other one?Ok you don't like my idea, what's yours?
KFBR392: But that doesn't include the TV service to go with it. And what typically happens is that people who decide to get the HDTV then bundle in highspeed internet and a DVR; suddenly a cable bill that could have been $30-$40 a month is now $150+/month.
Nemo's Brother: The liberals tried to battle the war on poverty. Detroit was their frontline. They failed.
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Elandriel: *shrug* I dunno what you expect, you've been involved in enough trolls and derps and nonsensical circular failure-logic that you know politics is the current great divide in America and is going to crop up in every conversation no matter how banal or unimportant.I dont troll. You maybe talking about me getting troll but when someone brings up the subject it is normally an accusation. Believe it or not there are people out there that disagree with other people and don't do it for the lulz.That being said my main problem with "wealth distribution" is we are relying on the federal government to do two things: 1) be highly efficient with the collection and distribution of the funds (as close to 1 dollar out for every dollar in) 2) to distribute the funds fairly and without political basis or agenda. You really think they can do that? Or are they trying to gain power and influence with our dollars? If I am "guilty" of anything it's not trusting people in large groups.That's why I favor tax holidays and tax cuts. The only way to be efficient and non basis is to never send the money to Washington in the first place. We have been fighting the "War on Poverty" for years now and I think it's time to demand an exist strategy!
buzzcut73: Ethertap: Crotchrocket Slim: Ethertap: You could try what my parents did when my sister and I were young, which is Dad worked days and Mom worked nights. I don't know the job market in the Twin Cities area, but many walmarts and fast food places (as soul suckingly awful as they are) are now either 24/7 or open until 12 or 2 am, which could be an option for night work.Elandriel already addressed this: whatever pittance they'd pay her would not be enough to cover child care. Reading comprehension kids.He mentioned 7-5 daycare. Thats why is suggested his wife works NIGHTS. Not days. Nights, as in after he gets home from work. You're the one who needs to brush up your reading comprehension.That's assuming the wife could get a Wal-Mart or fast food job that had a regular schedule. They don't do that anymore, now they'll work you 8pm-2am one day, Noon-4pm the next, 6pm-8pm that same day, then maybe another 4 hours the next night, then an afternoon...you get the point.
o5iiawah: Elandriel: To take care of the people.Government provides a system of laws which is designed to protect individual rights and property, along with settling disputes in the marketplace.Please find something, anything that has ever been written in the annals of US history that alludes to the role of government being to 'Take care of people'
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Oh I understand the correlation between the two subjects. However most (not all) Business Tab threads don't go full derp. Its been a place where we could have a somewhat reasonable debate without having to hear from the hacks about how one party wants to starve people and bomb brown people for oil. This thread took a bee line to the sub basement.
xaks: But, yea, I'm a prick for making smart financial decisions with my life and my families' future.
xaks: This is going to sound way worse than it should, but I can't think of a nicer way to say it.But if you're complaining about the cost of child care, why did you have kids? If you can't afford to take care of them, you might have been better off not popping them out.If you cannot afford to have the wife take off work to care for them until they reach school age, perhaps you acted irresponsibly and did something really expensive and foolish with really long term financial repercussions, and you should take responsibility for your bad decision and suck it up, buttercup.Some of us don't have young kids right now because we decided it was not a good idea to do so, given economic realities. We don't need to listen to you whine because you can't be bothered to think ahead.
The Stealth Hippopotamus: Can you name the government that has done this? What government in the history of man has served the people to the level you are thinking of? Rome worked out really well for it's people for a long time, however they ground up and used up whole continents to make that work. Unless you want to start a Pax America we are going to have problems.
Pocket Ninja: Diogenes: Funny what happens when you keep concentrating wealth at the top of the ladder and cut the bottom rungs off.Nonsense. By cutting off the bottom rungs, you just create more incentives for people to stay higher up.
Diogenes: Just yesterday I got a corporate email blast - "We beat expectations once again! Earnings at all time high!" Then went to a team meeting where we were told we can't buy new equipment, travel for classes, hire new staff (despite measurable increases in workload), or expect raises. It's been like this since 2000 (we did an astounding job at weathering the recession - earnings never dipped). And all along we're told, "Consider yourself lucky you have a job."
God Is My Co-Pirate: Childcare is crippling us. The daycare in my office wants $2000 per month, per child.
Debeo Summa Credo: If I responded that I believe that the gas tax is in fact too low, and that the most efficient way to reduce carbon emissions from vehicles is a higher gas tax, would tat be political? Or if I argued that the middle class shouldn't get a tax cut, would that be political?
The Stealth Hippopotamus: I was hoping for a reasoned discussion on how is not the time for increase the cost of living on the middle and lower classes, maybe help them out with a Federal Tax holiday or a decrease in federal taxes on fuel.But is see the derp squad has migrated from the Politics Tab over to the Business Tab.It's a damn shame
sigdiamond2000: EvilEgg: have big screen TVsYou can buy a "big screen TV" for less than the combined price of the license plate and driver's license renewal for that new car nowadays.We can all stop using "big screen TVs" as some sort of barometer for poor people not being poor, okay?
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