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(Politico)   Senator Leahy has created a bill, aptly named the "NSA Castration Act" and it's 72 pages of ball busting glory   (politico.com) divider line 64
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2013-06-25 01:48:40 PM
If he's a Democrat, Republicans unilaterally oppose it "for Patriotism." If he's a Republican, Republicans unilaterally support it until President Obama supports it, then immediately work to destroy their own bill.

Whoever wins, we'd be better off with xenomorphs and predators.
 
2013-06-25 03:11:52 PM

AnonAmbientLight: I wish I knew why our government is so scared of terrorists. Do the higher ups know some kind of disturbing truth that we dont?

I for one welcome anything that limits the scope and power of legislation like the patriot act simply because is never ok to give up your rights for perceived safety.


They know that a frightened populace is an easily-controlled populace.
 
2013-06-25 03:15:57 PM

imontheinternet: LordJiro: The time to fight this shiat was when the PATRIOT act was being discussed. If it had been struck down, that would have been a good starting point to go after the older parts of the surveillance state. But instead, because Americans are cowards, it passed almost unopposed. And now, we have almost no chance of getting RID of any of this garbage.

Russ Feingold was the lone no vote in the Senate on the Patriot Act.  A teabagger took his seat in '10 midterms.

Those times were scary.  Post-9/11, Bush was given a legislative blank check, and the line being parroted even by some Democrats was not to question the President in times of crisis.  I spoke to some friends in Britain about it years later, and they told me that there was a real concern in Europe that we were moving toward fascism - blind nationalism, unchecked Executive power, compliant press and population, etc..


"were"? More slowly than a few years ago, but still moving that direction.
 
2013-06-25 03:16:19 PM
So what's the over/under on this senator 'accidentally' dying on a fishing trip or in a small plane crash?
 
2013-06-25 03:23:48 PM

HeartBurnKid: imontheinternet: catpuncher: They'll stall the bill until the controversy is out of the news cycle, then drown it.

I'd like to think that isn't true, but

FTFA:  The bill would also require a report be made public on government surveillance's effect on Americans' privacy and demand audits of the Patriot Act.

No way does this pass.  At this point, I'm not even sure Obama would sign it with that provision in it.

Sadly, I think you're right.  Gotta respect Leahy for trying, though.


So is this political theatre from the "left" any different than 'ol Crazy Eyes trying for the 36th time to get Obummercare repealed? Leahy knows it won't pass the Senate, certainly wouldn't pass the Crazy House, and would be vetoed by the President. But it plays well, and might help him drum up some campaign contributions.
 
2013-06-25 03:27:34 PM
Senator Leaky is moved to action by leaks?  What? Where's "go fark yourself" when we need it?
 
2013-06-25 03:34:12 PM

bluenote13: I assumed the government had been doing this for years


I hear this a lot.

I assumed the government wouldn't do this, since our founding law says not to do this.

Perhaps that was naive.

But, hey, I'm a liberal who trust his government to do the right thing.  Well, I was, at least.

Now I'm arguing with other liberals who say the wrong thing is OK when the right party does it.

It leaves a bit of a sour taste in the mouth.

/more scotch will fix that
//the taste, I mean, not the country
///the country is farked
 
2013-06-25 03:39:10 PM

blastoh: Its more about politics than real fear of terrorists. If any president (though especially a democrat with a funny name) were to cut back on any kind of intelligence gathering measure what so ever, and then there was an attack, the other party (especially republicans) would immediately play the "he allowed us to be attacked" card.


Oh, that makes sense.

The reason why Democrats are being authoritarian, autocratic, pants shiating weenies is because if they they weren't, the Republican authoritarian, autocratic, pants shiating weenies would score some points with the submissive, pants shiatting weenie voters.
 
2013-06-25 03:43:08 PM

Evil High Priest: So is this political theatre from the "left" any different than 'ol Crazy Eyes trying for the 36th time to get Obummercare repealed? Leahy knows it won't pass the Senate, certainly wouldn't pass the Crazy House, and would be vetoed by the President. But it plays well, and might help him drum up some campaign contributions.


The idea of civil liberties "plays well" with the rubes?

Jesus fark.

We have become a nation of managers, and the managed.

We the People are a formality to get around.
 
2013-06-25 04:11:36 PM

sendtodave: Evil High Priest: So is this political theatre from the "left" any different than 'ol Crazy Eyes trying for the 36th time to get Obummercare repealed? Leahy knows it won't pass the Senate, certainly wouldn't pass the Crazy House, and would be vetoed by the President. But it plays well, and might help him drum up some campaign contributions.

The idea of civil liberties "plays well" with the rubes?

Jesus fark.

We have become a nation of managers, and the managed.

We the People are a formality to get around.


No, only certain rubes. But yes, we are farked. The number one job of a Senator is to keep being a Senator.
 
2013-06-25 04:28:32 PM

AnonAmbientLight: I wish I knew why our government is so scared of terrorists. Do the higher ups know some kind of disturbing truth that we dont?

I for one welcome anything that limits the scope and power of legislation like the patriot act simply because is never ok to give up your rights for perceived safety.


When you play that stupid, it's just obvious. We all know that our government has no fear of terrorists. However, a large number of ordinary people in the USA do. It's one of several convenient words (like "foreign", "rich people", "lazy poor people", "militarists", "welfare", "racists") that can be used to stampede Americans to follow whatever authoritarian policy one might wish to impose. What our government fears is US citizens. The last thing the government of the USA wants is for its citizens to be informed, autonomous, and clear-headed. They'd all be out of work in a heartbeat at that point.
 
2013-06-25 10:14:23 PM
He reminds me of my father.
 
2013-06-26 03:49:12 AM

NostroZ: Anyone know a good way to support this guy?


Move to Vermont and vote for him.

/been voting for him since I was old enough to vote
//starting when he first ran for senator
 
2013-06-26 07:00:54 PM

Evil High Priest: HeartBurnKid: imontheinternet: catpuncher: They'll stall the bill until the controversy is out of the news cycle, then drown it.

I'd like to think that isn't true, but

FTFA:  The bill would also require a report be made public on government surveillance's effect on Americans' privacy and demand audits of the Patriot Act.

No way does this pass.  At this point, I'm not even sure Obama would sign it with that provision in it.

Sadly, I think you're right.  Gotta respect Leahy for trying, though.

So is this political theatre from the "left" any different than 'ol Crazy Eyes trying for the 36th time to get Obummercare repealed? Leahy knows it won't pass the Senate, certainly wouldn't pass the Crazy House, and would be vetoed by the President. But it plays well, and might help him drum up some campaign contributions.


I'll tell you what, if he does it 35 more times, I'll agree with you.
 
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