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(Talking Points Memo)   "I'm focused on poverty" says a man who was hellbent on defunding food stamps just a week before. Doctor, doctor. I think I got a case of the whiplash   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 159
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-06-25 07:42:01 AM  
He want's to get rid of it the same way that you get rid of hoof and mouth disease.
 
2013-06-25 07:48:56 AM  

vpb: He want's to get rid of it the same way that you get rid of hoof and mouth disease.


something something head in ass?
 
2013-06-25 07:57:00 AM  
he's focused on CAUSING poverty.
 
2013-06-25 08:04:04 AM  
Take away food stamps so poverty sucks more.  That way people have an incentive to stop being poor.  Duh.
 
2013-06-25 08:16:24 AM  
Paul Ryan is a worthless piece of stinking garbage.
 
2013-06-25 08:38:36 AM  
He should start following his Church's teachings on social justice..

But that conflicts with the teachings of his *real* messiah: Ayn Rand.
 
2013-06-25 08:38:37 AM  
Well it seems clear then that tax breaks are in order. It's the only way.
 
2013-06-25 08:40:09 AM  

MayoSlather: Well it seems clear then that tax breaks are in order. It's the only way.


The answer is ALWAYS more tax breaks.
 
2013-06-25 08:41:21 AM  

serial_crusher: Take away food stamps so poverty sucks more.  That way people have an incentive to stop being poor.  Duh.


Exactly! If we keep punishing those lazy poor people eventually they'll stop being so poor. Then life will be wonderful all the time!
 
2013-06-25 08:41:41 AM  
Focused on farking the poor.  He's trying to cut back on his chicken habit.
 
2013-06-25 08:42:49 AM  

Aarontology: He should start following his Church's teachings on social justice..

But that conflicts with the teachings of his *real* messiah: Ayn Rand.


The sad thing is that you aren't even exaggerating.

Ryan isn't really a Christian tho. He just pretends to be one so he gets re-elected.
 
2013-06-25 08:43:01 AM  
A hungry mob is an angry mob, Paul.
 
2013-06-25 08:44:55 AM  
You guys are being too hard on Ryan.  He and his wife did re-wash the dishes in a closed soup kitchen without any actual transients once in front of cameras.  He cares!
 
2013-06-25 08:46:16 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Paul Ryan is a worthless piece of stinking garbage.


Oh...  He's much, much worse than that.
 
2013-06-25 08:46:58 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: MayoSlather: Well it seems clear then that tax breaks are in order. It's the only way.

The answer is ALWAYS more tax breaks.


But only for rich people. Everyone else has to pay.
 
2013-06-25 08:47:20 AM  
"Look, I'm a conservative who believes that our constitutional principles, founding principles are the key principles for the day and they're the best if applied to our problems to solve problems,"


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-06-25 08:47:29 AM  

serial_crusher: Take away food stamps so poverty sucks more.  That way people have an incentive to stop being poor.  Duh.


I know you are saying this sarcastically, but I don't know why. This is literally and without any exaggeration their baseline belief about welfare and food stamps,
 
2013-06-25 08:49:32 AM  
Ok,
-Raise the minimum wage to $20/hr and make the first $50k/year tax free.
-Provide free, high-quality health/dental/visual/mental/day care.
-Make a bachelor's degree and trade school cirtificate free for people from households making less than $150/year.
-Make the tax code advantageous for companies who manufacture within our borders.

That's a good start. And I'll bet you could pass it before Labor Day, if you wanted to.
 
2013-06-25 08:51:06 AM  

Weaver95: The sad thing is that you aren't even exaggerating.

Ryan isn't really a Christian tho. He just pretends to be one so he gets re-elected.


Remember when he unveiled his budget, claimed it fit with the tenets of Catholic social justice and got surprised when all those nuns and bishops called him out on it?
 
2013-06-25 08:51:44 AM  
I do wish they'd restrict food stamps to healthful foods with perhaps a small allotment for junk food (everybody deserves a bag of chips once in a while).

Oh, and stop subsidizing farkin' corn
 
2013-06-25 08:52:31 AM  

OutsmartBullet: I do wish they'd restrict food stamps to healthful foods with perhaps a small allotment for junk food (everybody deserves a bag of chips once in a while).


It's odd how conservatives want a more restrictive nanny state when it comes to poor people.
 
2013-06-25 08:53:28 AM  

Aarontology: Weaver95: The sad thing is that you aren't even exaggerating.

Ryan isn't really a Christian tho. He just pretends to be one so he gets re-elected.

Remember when he unveiled his budget, claimed it fit with the tenets of Catholic social justice and got surprised when all those nuns and bishops called him out on it?


He almost got himself excommunicated over it. I have catholic friends who to this day still defend Ryan's 'f*ck the poor' budget and think the church was/is wrong to help feed the poor and heal the sick. I'm like...dude. I'm a pagan and I do more Christian charity than you.
 
2013-06-25 08:56:10 AM  

Karac: Focused on farking the poor.  He's trying to cut back on his chicken habit.


It wasn't a lie: he's focused on the poor like King Henry II was focused on Thomas Becket.
 
2013-06-25 08:56:51 AM  

OutsmartBullet: I do wish they'd restrict food stamps to healthful foods with perhaps a small allotment for junk food (everybody deserves a bag of chips once in a while).

Oh, and stop subsidizing farkin' corn


Define 'healthful'.
Then describe a system in which going through a grocery stores inventory and marking products item-by-item as for food stamps or not OK, while keeping track of the occasional not OK food actually ends up spending less money than the current system.
 
2013-06-25 08:58:04 AM  

Notabunny: Ok,
-Raise the minimum wage to $20/hr and make the first $50k/year tax free.
-Provide free, high-quality health/dental/visual/mental/day care.
-Make a bachelor's degree and trade school cirtificate free for people from households making less than $150/year.
-Make the tax code advantageous for companies who manufacture within our borders.

That's a good start. And I'll bet you could pass it before Labor Day, if you wanted to.


$20/hour, seriously?  You want everybody currently on minimum wage to become unemployed when replaced by robots?  Cause $20/hour could buy you a lot of automation.
 
2013-06-25 09:00:10 AM  
Like a laser he's focused on making as much as possible.
 
2013-06-25 09:01:32 AM  

serial_crusher: Notabunny: Ok,
-Raise the minimum wage to $20/hr and make the first $50k/year tax free.
-Provide free, high-quality health/dental/visual/mental/day care.
-Make a bachelor's degree and trade school cirtificate free for people from households making less than $150/year.
-Make the tax code advantageous for companies who manufacture within our borders.

That's a good start. And I'll bet you could pass it before Labor Day, if you wanted to.

$20/hour, seriously?  You want everybody currently on minimum wage to become unemployed when replaced by robots?  Cause $20/hour could buy you a lot of automation.


Adjusted for worker productivity, minimum wage 30 years ago was over $21 per hour in today's dollars. Odd how the world dust collapse.
 
2013-06-25 09:01:50 AM  

Weaver95: He almost got himself excommunicated over it. I have catholic friends who to this day still defend Ryan's 'f*ck the poor' budget and think the church was/is wrong to help feed the poor and heal the sick. I'm like...dude. I'm a pagan and I do more Christian charity than you.


My family is pretty Catholic, and I'd rarely seen them so offended as when he tried to claim that f*cking the poor was in line with the Church's teachings.

Folks like Ryan seem to exhibit practices and beliefs more in line with Evangelical Protestantism than Roman Catholicism.
 
2013-06-25 09:02:09 AM  
Didn't collapse, I mean. Stupid iPhone typing.
 
2013-06-25 09:02:13 AM  

DamnYankees: OutsmartBullet: I do wish they'd restrict food stamps to healthful foods with perhaps a small allotment for junk food (everybody deserves a bag of chips once in a while).

It's odd how conservatives want a more restrictive nanny state when it comes to poor people.


It makes perfect sense...once you accept the fact that republicans aren't Christians. I don't doubt their faith mind you, it's just that they aren't worshiping the Christian god.
 
2013-06-25 09:02:27 AM  

DamnYankees: serial_crusher: Notabunny: Ok,
-Raise the minimum wage to $20/hr and make the first $50k/year tax free.
-Provide free, high-quality health/dental/visual/mental/day care.
-Make a bachelor's degree and trade school cirtificate free for people from households making less than $150/year.
-Make the tax code advantageous for companies who manufacture within our borders.

That's a good start. And I'll bet you could pass it before Labor Day, if you wanted to.

$20/hour, seriously?  You want everybody currently on minimum wage to become unemployed when replaced by robots?  Cause $20/hour could buy you a lot of automation.

Adjusted for worker productivity, minimum wage 30 years ago was over $21 per hour in today's dollars. Odd how the world dust collapse.


I want a job building those burger flipping robots.
 
2013-06-25 09:03:30 AM  

Aarontology: Weaver95: He almost got himself excommunicated over it. I have catholic friends who to this day still defend Ryan's 'f*ck the poor' budget and think the church was/is wrong to help feed the poor and heal the sick. I'm like...dude. I'm a pagan and I do more Christian charity than you.

My family is pretty Catholic, and I'd rarely seen them so offended as when he tried to claim that f*cking the poor was in line with the Church's teachings.

Folks like Ryan seem to exhibit practices and beliefs more in line with Evangelical Protestantism than Roman Catholicism.


Or Calvinist and/or various forms of predestination heresies. The GOP isn't actually Christian.
 
2013-06-25 09:03:48 AM  

DamnYankees: OutsmartBullet: I do wish they'd restrict food stamps to healthful foods with perhaps a small allotment for junk food (everybody deserves a bag of chips once in a while).

It's odd how conservatives want a more restrictive nanny state when it comes to poor people.


No, not all poor people. People who depend on social security and disability (I.e. most tea party folks) believe that they've earned their social safety net, fair and square. They just want more restrictions on those lazy blah moochers scamming free handouts from good, god fearing taxpayers.
 
2013-06-25 09:04:19 AM  

DamnYankees: Adjusted for worker productivity, minimum wage 30 years ago was over $21 per hour in today's dollars. Odd how the world dust collapse.


Because the minimum wage in 1968 was $1.60/hr and had its highest purchasing power on record. And that's why they use 1968 as the benchmark.

Sure, it's a lofty goal, but methinks we might want to go with a more toward-the-mean historical number.
 
2013-06-25 09:06:52 AM  

Dr Dreidel: DamnYankees: Adjusted for worker productivity, minimum wage 30 years ago was over $21 per hour in today's dollars. Odd how the world dust collapse.

Because the minimum wage in 1968 was $1.60/hr and had its highest purchasing power on record. And that's why they use 1968 as the benchmark.

Sure, it's a lofty goal, but methinks we might want to go with a more toward-the-mean historical number.


I said 30 year ago, not 45.
 
2013-06-25 09:07:59 AM  

Aarontology: DamnYankees: serial_crusher: Notabunny: Ok,
-Raise the minimum wage to $20/hr and make the first $50k/year tax free.
-Provide free, high-quality health/dental/visual/mental/day care.
-Make a bachelor's degree and trade school cirtificate free for people from households making less than $150/year.
-Make the tax code advantageous for companies who manufacture within our borders.

That's a good start. And I'll bet you could pass it before Labor Day, if you wanted to.

$20/hour, seriously?  You want everybody currently on minimum wage to become unemployed when replaced by robots?  Cause $20/hour could buy you a lot of automation.

Adjusted for worker productivity, minimum wage 30 years ago was over $21 per hour in today's dollars. Odd how the world dust collapse.

I want a job building those burger flipping robots.


Australia has a minimum wage close to $20 per hour and they seem to be doing fine.

We need to upgrade our jobs / skills and create something like the WPA as part of the New Deal.
 
2013-06-25 09:08:17 AM  

Aarontology: Folks like Ryan seem to exhibit practices and beliefs more in line with Evangelical Protestantism than Roman Catholicism.



www.totalprayze.com

blog.al.com

www.jesus-is-savior.com

Yeah, these people aren't so much "pastors" as they are "grifters"
 
2013-06-25 09:11:31 AM  

Smirky the Wonder Chimp: MayoSlather: Well it seems clear then that tax breaks are in order. It's the only way.

The answer is ALWAYS more tax breaks.


If you tax something, you get less of it.  So tax the bejeezus out of the poor.  That'll larn 'em to be poor.
 
2013-06-25 09:12:11 AM  

Notabunny: Ok,
-Raise the minimum wage to $20/hr and make the first $50k/year tax free.
-Provide free, high-quality health/dental/visual/mental/day care.
-Make a bachelor's degree and trade school cirtificate free for people from households making less than $150/year.
-Make the tax code advantageous for companies who manufacture within our borders.

That's a good start. And I'll bet you could pass it before Labor Day, if you wanted to.


I don't think increasing minimum wage is the way to go. Rather regulated progressive profit sharing, with an established executive pay to average employee pay ratio in place. Also passing tariffs on imports/ foreign outsourcing of labor, and holding them to the same wage standards. That in combination with new strict regulations how we issue credit and the amount of credit allowed, and wealth inequality should right itself. Wall Street would take a huge shiat initially, but it's going to do that eventually anyways.

The other stuff I like.
 
2013-06-25 09:15:00 AM  

Karac: OutsmartBullet: I do wish they'd restrict food stamps to healthful foods with perhaps a small allotment for junk food (everybody deserves a bag of chips once in a while).

Oh, and stop subsidizing farkin' corn

Define 'healthful'.


Fresh fruits, vegetables, meats, fish and poultry that have not been heavily processed.

Then describe a system in which going through a grocery stores inventory and marking products item-by-item as for food stamps or not OK, while keeping track of the occasional not OK food actually ends up spending less money than the current system.

WIC

/that said, I'm not in favor of actually forcing food stamp recipients to only buy certain food products.
 
2013-06-25 09:15:47 AM  
Look, when Paul Ryan was growing up, did the government help his family?
 
2013-06-25 09:15:54 AM  
He is focused on poverty. focused on making more of it.
 
2013-06-25 09:17:20 AM  
The best way to help the poor is to cut wasteful government spending, and cut fraud and abuse so that assistance will actually get to those who need it.
 
2013-06-25 09:19:49 AM  

Kangaroo_Ralph: The best way to help the poor is to cut wasteful government spending, and cut fraud and abuse so that assistance will actually get to those who need it.


And Paul;, Ryan defines "Wasteful Government Spending" as any spending which helps the poor.
 
2013-06-25 09:24:31 AM  
If more poor people starve to death, then there won't be as much poverty, right?
 
2013-06-25 09:26:10 AM  
Ryan announced his new plan today, entitled Bootstraps for Organs.  The outline is simple.  Handout Takers will be provided job training and a modest stipend in exchange for allowing their organs to be harvested and stored for use by Job Creators.  The plan will both give Handout Takers the bootstraps they need to pull themselves up and extend the lives of our glorious Job Creators.

The amount of money provided and quality of the job training will be dictated by the Free Market.
 
2013-06-25 09:26:25 AM  

serial_crusher: Notabunny: Ok,
-Raise the minimum wage to $20/hr and make the first $50k/year tax free.
-Provide free, high-quality health/dental/visual/mental/day care.
-Make a bachelor's degree and trade school cirtificate free for people from households making less than $150/year.
-Make the tax code advantageous for companies who manufacture within our borders.

That's a good start. And I'll bet you could pass it before Labor Day, if you wanted to.

$20/hour, seriously?  You want everybody currently on minimum wage to become unemployed when replaced by robots?  Cause $20/hour could buy you a lot of automation.


Yep. We can have both, just like the Germans. Also, in addition to social security deduct (roughly 7%) from everybody's paycheck for a state-run, non-profit, P.E.R.S.-type individual, portable, defined-benefit pension calculated at 2.5% x years worked. Because retirement security reduces poverty, too. I could go on, but it's time to make the kid's breakfast.
 
2013-06-25 09:26:58 AM  
"Look, I'm a conservative who believes that our constitutional principles, founding principles are the key principles for the day and they're the best if applied to our problems to solve problems," Ryan said during an appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe." "And we need to have that kind of temperament. This is why I'm focused on poverty these days, this is why I'm focused on  -- we've got the 50th anniversary of the war on poverty coming up next year. We don't have much to show for it."
He argued that "there are better ideas that we can use to approach and attack the root causes of poverty" and that the right "should not cede the moral high ground on this issue."


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2013-06-25 09:27:58 AM  
If the impoverished would just create more jobs as entrepreneurs for a market that isn't there because companies are holding onto epic levels of cash rather than reinvesting in their employees and hiring and trying to create new markets, then they'd be fine and stop eating deviled ham off of melba toast.
 
2013-06-25 09:30:36 AM  
The problem with all of this nonsense legislation is that we've taken the Darwinism out of our species. We've stopped teaching people how to grow food for their survival, and corralled the majority of the poor into urban centers where they can't provide their own subsistence. Now instead of poor people growing subsistence crops on their small plot of land, and pickling and preserving what they need for the winter, we have people eating the chemical laden processed food that agribusiness pumps out. I think 40 acres and a mule is the way to go to lead America back to prosperity. We will need to claim so lebensraum to make this proposition feasible, since we only have enough land to allot each of my poor comrades 7 acres, and they will need to share the mules, since apparently their population has dwindled since the introduction of the internal combustion engine. Canada seems like the smart choice for extra land, since it's poorly guarded, and low on ammo due to our ammo hoarding ways.
 
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