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2013-06-25 11:46:19 AM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: durbnpoisn: He'll probably shave his beard, get contacts, die his hair, and move back to Hawaii and start working for the NSA again.  That would be a hoot.  Clearly they didn't check his background carefully enough last time.

Do tell, what exactly was in Edward Snowden's background that should have excluded him from a job at the NSA?

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Heh.

You know that warning that they place in advertisements for stuff like financial investments and lawyers?  How does that go?  Oh, yeah:   Prior performance does not guarantee future results.

Background checks are like that.  Sure, the person came up clean.  That doesn't mean he isn't going to steal from you.  It could just mean that he hasn't been caught yet.  Or maybe the circumstances weren't right.  Or maybe, just maybe mind you, the guy values the Constitution over his employment.
 
2013-06-25 11:48:17 AM  

Kraln: dittybopper:
/Extra points for the person who can connect this post to the headline.

You mean how Lynne Thigpen was the Radio DJ from Warriors and also the Cheif from WITWICS?


She was also The Moon in the "Bear in the big blue house" TV show.
 
2013-06-25 11:51:56 AM  

durbnpoisn: Now, considering that he has taken it this far, and planned things THIS well... What makes anyone in the world think he can be found? He will almost certainly assume a new identity and totally dissappear.


He's got a two day head start on us, which is more than he needs. Snowden's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, we'll never see him again. With any luck, he's released more secrets already.
 
2013-06-25 12:06:58 PM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: durbnpoisn: He'll probably shave his beard, get contacts, die his hair, and move back to Hawaii and start working for the NSA again.  That would be a hoot.  Clearly they didn't check his background carefully enough last time.

Do tell, what exactly was in Edward Snowden's background that should have excluded him from a job at the NSA?

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Well, clearly I have no answer to that question.  But if someone went into a job with the express purpose of being subversive, you'd have to assume that there was SOME indication from their past that they would do so.  Especially with such careful planning.

Last time I had a background check, I got a 9 page report back showing EVERYTHING I've ever done.  Fortunately for me, that wasn't anything bad.  But they had every place I've ever lived, what kinds of cars I owned, my girlfriend's house from 20 years ago, every place I'd worked, etc...  They even ran multiple reports with different spellings of my name, just to be sure.

All that for a mid level analyst position.  So, again...  You'd have to assume that the NSA is FAR more thorough than that.  And they found nothing that made this dude the slightest bit suspicious?!
 
2013-06-25 12:08:52 PM  
BTW:  I find that amusing as hell that I got the Willy Wonka meme.  I'd yet to be hit with that one.  :)
 
2013-06-25 12:27:37 PM  
If I was snowden; I would have done ANYTHING I could have to get on a different plane, either in Hong Kong or in Russia. I would have got a flight to Cuba through Russia, under my name and then pay cash for a flight somewhere else; possibly a different flight that day. I would be the last place anyone would ever look for me; Washington DC.

/ shave, loose the glasses, dye my hair and use my mother's maden name as my last name; they'd never find me
 
2013-06-25 01:00:33 PM  
Say what you want, but maybe he's just passing the time by playing a little solitaire.

\obscure?
 
2013-06-25 01:44:26 PM  
Thing is, if the US wants him badly enough, as soon as he's in international airspace or on international waters, they can get him by intercepting the boat, ship, or plane and diverting it to a "friendly" country.

That makes it really tricky for him to leave Moscow and get to Ecuador or wherever.

How it might go down is like this:

Plane is flying over the Atlantic, a couple of fighters suddenly appear in front of the cockpit, having avoided areas where they could be observed by the passengers by flying in from behind and below the passenger jet, and come up on frequency suggesting to the pilot, in the interest of all concerned, that he fake an emergency and land at the closest available airport (which happens to be US soil, or a country that won't stand in the way).

When the plane lands, he's pulled off the plane, plane gets "fixed", and the rest of the passengers complete their journey.
 
2013-06-25 01:47:39 PM  

dittybopper: Thing is, if the US wants him badly enough, as soon as he's in international airspace or on international waters, they can get him by intercepting the boat, ship, or plane and diverting it to a "friendly" country.

That makes it really tricky for him to leave Moscow and get to Ecuador or wherever.

How it might go down is like this:

Plane is flying over the Atlantic, a couple of fighters suddenly appear in front of the cockpit, having avoided areas where they could be observed by the passengers by flying in from behind and below the passenger jet, and come up on frequency suggesting to the pilot, in the interest of all concerned, that he fake an emergency and land at the closest available airport (which happens to be US soil, or a country that won't stand in the way).

When the plane lands, he's pulled off the plane, plane gets "fixed", and the rest of the passengers complete their journey.


And the nation whose airline that was knows exactly what happens, and will be furious.  You really think we're going to intercept a Russian civilian airliner over international waters just to get some pissant who pointed out what we already assumed was happening anyway?  Other than a little egg on their face over the whole deal, how bad does the administration even want this guy?
 
2013-06-25 02:04:00 PM  

iheartscotch: If I was snowden; I would have done ANYTHING I could have to get on a different plane, either in Hong Kong or in Russia. I would have got a flight to Cuba through Russia, under my name and then pay cash for a flight somewhere else; possibly a different flight that day. I would be the last place anyone would ever look for me; Washington DC.

/ shave, loose the glasses, dye my hair and use my mother's maden name as my last name; they'd never find me


This.  btw...  I essentially already said it.  Fark threads move very fast.

What he did was the equivellent of a Red Herring.  He threw everyone off his trail - such to a point that the whole plane was FULL of journalists just begging to interview him first hand.  How they all fell for such an obvious ruse could probably only be explained by the individuals knowing they'd get a free trip on an airplane.

In any case, he is probably no longer in Russia*.  He may not even have left Hong Kong.  All I can say with any sort of certainty is that, short of alien intervention, or death, he hasn't left this planet yet.


*If he IS still in Russia, he is sitting there listening to some guy with a thick Russian accent asking him to try the Vodka and happily tell what he knows.
 
2013-06-25 02:15:32 PM  

nekom: And the nation whose airline that was knows exactly what happens, and will be furious.  You really think we're going to intercept a Russian civilian airliner over international waters just to get some pissant who pointed out what we already assumed was happening anyway?  Other than a little egg on their face over the whole deal, how bad does the administration even want this guy?


Yes, they'll know.  The US will pay them compensation for the insult to their flag or whatever, and it will quickly be forgotten.
 
2013-06-25 02:18:37 PM  

dittybopper: nekom: And the nation whose airline that was knows exactly what happens, and will be furious.  You really think we're going to intercept a Russian civilian airliner over international waters just to get some pissant who pointed out what we already assumed was happening anyway?  Other than a little egg on their face over the whole deal, how bad does the administration even want this guy?

Yes, they'll know.  The US will pay them compensation for the insult to their flag or whatever, and it will quickly be forgotten.


Probably a lot easier, cheaper, less international incident-y to just have the CIA get him out of Ecuador.
 
2013-06-25 03:14:18 PM  

nekom: dittybopper: nekom: And the nation whose airline that was knows exactly what happens, and will be furious.  You really think we're going to intercept a Russian civilian airliner over international waters just to get some pissant who pointed out what we already assumed was happening anyway?  Other than a little egg on their face over the whole deal, how bad does the administration even want this guy?

Yes, they'll know.  The US will pay them compensation for the insult to their flag or whatever, and it will quickly be forgotten.

Probably a lot easier, cheaper, less international incident-y to just have the CIA get him out of Ecuador.


That might be problematic from a legal standpoint, and it's actually got the potential to go very, very, *VERY* wrong.  Like, shoot-out with the local authorities wrong.  Plus, you run the risk of setting up the operation and the person fleeing before you can nab them.  Transport is unique in that if a person is on a particular airplane or ship, they've got no where to run.

On the other hand, there isn't really all that much that can go too badly wrong with the fighter idea, presuming you aren't prepared to actually shoot the plane down.  Either the captain of the airline complies, and you nab Snowden on the ground, or he doesn't comply, and you simply go to plan B, which is to kidnap him in Ecuador.  That, of course, would take months or years to set up.
 
2013-06-25 03:52:22 PM  
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday former U.S. spy agency contractor Edward Snowden was still in the transit area of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport
 
2013-06-25 03:57:21 PM  

dittybopper: Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: durbnpoisn: He'll probably shave his beard, get contacts, die his hair, and move back to Hawaii and start working for the NSA again.  That would be a hoot.  Clearly they didn't check his background carefully enough last time.

Do tell, what exactly was in Edward Snowden's background that should have excluded him from a job at the NSA?

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Heh.

You know that warning that they place in advertisements for stuff like financial investments and lawyers?  How does that go?  Oh, yeah:   Prior performance does not guarantee future results.

Background checks are like that.  Sure, the person came up clean.  That doesn't mean he isn't going to steal from you.  It could just mean that he hasn't been caught yet.  Or maybe the circumstances weren't right.  Or maybe, just maybe mind you, the guy values the Constitution over his employment.


This part irks me.
The NSA failed the cold war lesson of first spying on one's self.  You've got to unleash these tools and tactics on your own employees to make sure they're not playing for the other team.
You'd think after all the spy, counter spy, and double agent shenanigans of WWII they'd more than know the consequences of not cleaning their own house before undertaking a massive op against the American public.

If this guy was doing it for the LULz then we can be assured others were spying for the cash. Enemy nations probably know the full story already. They are just salivating at the chance to tell the the world about our misdeeds without having to explain how they initially found out.

/And for all that trouble we can't find bombers, we can't find spies, and we can't find fugitives.
/We spent billions of dollars so some NSA goon could read his wife's text messages.
 
2013-06-25 04:10:32 PM  

way south: This part irks me.
The NSA failed the cold war lesson of first spying on one's self.  You've got to unleash these tools and tactics on your own employees to make sure they're not playing for the other team.
You'd think after all the spy, counter spy, and double agent shenanigans of WWII they'd more than know the consequences of not cleaning their own house before undertaking a massive op against the American public.

If this guy was doing it for the LULz then we can be assured others were spying for the cash. Enemy nations probably know the full story already. They are just salivating at the chance to tell the the world about our misdeeds without having to explain how they initially found out.

/And for all that trouble we can't find bombers, we can't find spies, and we can't find fugitives.
/We spent billions of dollars so some NSA goon could read his wife's text messages.


Here is the problem:  You could effectively lock down the entire apparatus so that no secret documents could leak out.

No one, however, would ever work for you.

So, you put up as much security as you feasibly can, consistent with being able to actually hire and retain people, and you hope for the best.
 
2013-06-25 04:13:20 PM  
Let me also point out:  I used to work in a SCIF, doing NSA stuff.
 
2013-06-25 04:51:23 PM  

dittybopper: Let me also point out:  I used to work in a SCIF, doing NSA stuff.


You missed your plane.
 
2013-06-25 08:01:01 PM  

airsupport: dittybopper: Let me also point out:  I used to work in a SCIF, doing NSA stuff.

You missed your plane.


Heh.  I first set foot in a SCIF before Mr. Snowden hit his 3rd birthday.
 
2013-06-26 12:26:03 AM  
I heard he was stuck at an airport. Is he snowed in?
 
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