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2013-06-25 08:10:56 AM  
Probably Russia, Ecuador, Cuba, Norway, Iceland or somewhere else.
 
2013-06-25 08:10:57 AM  
Where are the Snowdens of yesteryear?
 
2013-06-25 08:11:14 AM  
I bet he was on the plane that left 10 minutes before the one with the all the camera men taking pictures of his empty seat.
 
2013-06-25 08:11:55 AM  
Last seen in Russia? He's probably tied up in a basement somewhere courtesy of Russian intelligence.
 
2013-06-25 08:12:28 AM  
Definitely does not have the same ring to it.
 
2013-06-25 08:12:40 AM  
Just follow the flight path of last few drones, one of them was for him.
 
2013-06-25 08:13:35 AM  
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2013-06-25 08:13:50 AM  
I think he's gone north of the wall.
 
2013-06-25 08:13:52 AM  

Now I Is!: Definitely does not have the same ring to it.


Edward Farking Snowden does, though.
 
2013-06-25 08:13:52 AM  
Dude pulled a fade, first check countries with no extradition treaties with the US.

Russia's actually not a bad guess, reasonably willing to shelter someone in exchange for intelligence info but not a part of the world known for dealing in bad faith or arbitrarily killing/kidnapping westerners for the hell of it like the middle east.  Just antagonistic enough toward the US's meddling that it wouldn't go out of its way to make a deal if they officially have him, or bother to hunt down private citizens that might be sheltering him.
 
2013-06-25 08:15:12 AM  
He's gone to meet the Guardian guy at Waterloo station
 
2013-06-25 08:16:57 AM  
God, how I love how Edward Snowden is running circles around Obama, Pelosi and the rest of the congressional traitors.

/eat shiat, obama; eat shiat.

//Don't tap me, Brobama
 
2013-06-25 08:18:49 AM  
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All right now, for all you boppers out there in the big world, all you street people with an ear for the action, I've been asked to relay a request from the US Government. It's a special for Edward Snowden, that real live one from Booz Allen, and I do mean Edward Snowden. Here's a hit with them in mind.

/Extra points for the person who can connect this post to the headline.
 
2013-06-25 08:20:36 AM  
And just like that, *poof*, he was gone.
 
2013-06-25 08:26:06 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Russia's actually not a bad guess, reasonably willing to shelter someone in exchange for intelligence info but not a part of the world known for dealing in bad faith or arbitrarily killing/kidnapping westerners for the hell of it like the middle east.  Just antagonistic enough toward the US's meddling that it wouldn't go out of its way to make a deal if they officially have him, or bother to hunt down private citizens that might be sheltering him.


He'll probably end up in South America.  Venezuela or Ecuador.  The whole continent is basically non-extradition, and plus there's the babe factor.

I think Greenwald lives down there too.
 
2013-06-25 08:29:58 AM  

dittybopper: [i4.ytimg.com image 320x180]

All right now, for all you boppers out there in the big world, all you street people with an ear for the action, I've been asked to relay a request from the US Government. It's a special for Edward Snowden, that real live one from Booz Allen, and I do mean Edward Snowden. Here's a hit with them in mind.

/Extra points for the person who can connect this post to the headline.



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Obama.... come out and plaaaaaaaaaayyyy....
 
2013-06-25 08:30:37 AM  
Colbert and  Stewart Oliver had fun with this last night

i549.photobucket.com
 
2013-06-25 08:31:12 AM  

dittybopper: All right now, for all you boppers out there in the big world, all you street people with an ear for the action, I've been asked to relay a request from the US Government. It's a special for Edward Snowden, that real live one from Booz Allen, and I do mean Edward Snowden. Here's a hit with them in mind.

/Extra points for the person who can connect this post to the headline.


Warriors. Come out and playeeee. Somewhere out on that horizon. Nowhere to run to baby.
 
2013-06-25 08:32:36 AM  

Oysterman: Colbert and  Stewart Oliver had fun with this last night

[i549.photobucket.com image 799x449]


Thats the interesting part.

Everyone is making a joke about finding this guy and focusing on him while shrugging their shoulders at the content of what he revealed.
 
2013-06-25 08:35:42 AM  

LandOfChocolate: Everyone is making a joke about finding this guy and focusing on him while shrugging their shoulders at the content of what he revealed.


Precisely.

And if you know what's good for you, so will you.

/Pick up that can
 
2013-06-25 08:50:57 AM  
Where's Ed Snowden?

I've got $5 on "laying in a filthy back alley with his throat cut"... eventually.
 
2013-06-25 08:52:10 AM  
FOUND HIM!!!

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2013-06-25 08:52:59 AM  
dittybopper:
/Extra points for the person who can connect this post to the headline.

You mean how Lynne Thigpen was the Radio DJ from Warriors and also the Cheif from WITWICS?
 
2013-06-25 08:54:26 AM  

LandOfChocolate: Everyone is making a joke about finding this guy and focusing on him while shrugging their shoulders at the content of what he revealed.


It's because people prefer to accept the narrative fed to them.  It's much easier than taking a step back and thinking critically about the larger picture.
 
2013-06-25 08:54:26 AM  
This is strange. They know all conversations all over the world in real time and they can't find him? Ironic.

/prolly will have some nasty phone sex tonight in a 3-way call with Uncle Sam, because that's how he likes it.
 
2013-06-25 08:55:37 AM  

dittybopper: [i4.ytimg.com image 320x180]

All right now, for all you boppers out there in the big world, all you street people with an ear for the action, I've been asked to relay a request from the US Government. It's a special for Edward Snowden, that real live one from Booz Allen, and I do mean Edward Snowden. Here's a hit with them in mind.

/Extra points for the person who can connect this post to the headline.


Lynne Thigpen

"Okay boppers ... "
 
2013-06-25 08:58:37 AM  

LandOfChocolate: Oysterman: Colbert and  Stewart Oliver had fun with this last night

[i549.photobucket.com image 799x449]

Thats the interesting part.

Everyone is making a joke about finding this guy and focusing on him while shrugging their shoulders at the content of what he revealed.


Is there something about that content that hasn't been discussed?
 
2013-06-25 09:00:04 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: This is strange. They know all conversations all over the world in real time and they can't find him? Ironic.

/prolly will have some nasty phone sex tonight in a 3-way call with Uncle Sam, because that's how he likes it.


My theory is that they are going to keep up the illusion that they can't find him going until the next big thing happens, and the public forgets what Snowden revealed.
 
2013-06-25 09:01:48 AM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: God, how I love how Edward Snowden is running circles around Obama, Pelosi and the rest of the congressional traitors.

/eat shiat, obama; eat shiat.


This.
 
2013-06-25 09:02:52 AM  
I just realized there's probably a whole generation of younger farkers who read that and have no idea what subby was referring to.
 
2013-06-25 09:03:05 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Dude pulled a fade, first check countries with no extradition treaties with the US.


You can follow it up with countries that have treaties, but also have good reason to make our bureaucrats pound sand (after we spied on them, or worse).
We treat allies like vassal states and then expect the same compliance from our enemies.  No doubt the're relishing the schadenfreude while we pout like angry children.   "You don't have the right paperwork" is the politically correct way of saying "fark off".

My guess: He's kicking back in a hotel in moscow waiting to hear if Iceland or somewhere equally stable will take his case. Long term safety in Ecuador and Cuba would be dependant on their leaderships health and lackluster militaries, making them poor choices if you're trying to dodge a black helicopter.

If I was wanted by powerful nations, I certainly wouldn't hop on a flight surrounded by "foreign reporters" that then had to weave its way past a dozen allied nations just to reach safety. One mechanical problem or unruly passenger and he's on his way being lost in our legal system.
 
2013-06-25 09:08:36 AM  
Russia, on the runway. Technically that's not Russian territory so they can claim he's not in Russia. EVERYBODY WI...oh wait.
 
2013-06-25 09:46:28 AM  

way south: Jim_Callahan: Dude pulled a fade, first check countries with no extradition treaties with the US.

You can follow it up with countries that have treaties, but also have good reason to make our bureaucrats pound sand (after we spied on them, or worse).
We treat allies like vassal states and then expect the same compliance from our enemies.  No doubt the're relishing the schadenfreude while we pout like angry children.   "You don't have the right paperwork" is the politically correct way of saying "fark off".

My guess: He's kicking back in a hotel in moscow waiting to hear if Iceland or somewhere equally stable will take his case. Long term safety in Ecuador and Cuba would be dependant on their leaderships health and lackluster militaries, making them poor choices if you're trying to dodge a black helicopter.

If I was wanted by powerful nations, I certainly wouldn't hop on a flight surrounded by "foreign reporters" that then had to weave its way past a dozen allied nations just to reach safety. One mechanical problem or unruly passenger and he's on his way being lost in our legal system.


THIS. This dude is trolling the entire big scary intelligence apparatus, truly hilarious.   John Kerry and the rest of the govt. are all "shocked"... SHOCKED, that countries we've treated like shiat won't play their game.  Turns out the emperor has no clothes after all, and Ecuador/Iceland/Russia/China appear to be savoring the moment of disclosure.  Every day that this guy remains free will hopefully be a day where people start to ask more questions about why we need all this shiat in the first place (and indeed, if it even works).   Watching the American "elite" throw a tantrum because they cant shut this guy up is truly entertaining, and absolutely shows how weak they actually are once you strip away all the fear and secrecy that they like to hide behind.
 
2013-06-25 09:51:39 AM  

LandOfChocolate: Oysterman: Colbert and  Stewart Oliver had fun with this last night

[i549.photobucket.com image 799x449]

Thats the interesting part.

Everyone is making a joke about finding this guy and focusing on him while shrugging their shoulders at the content of what he revealed.


If that was the case then the government would have nothing to worry about.
 
2013-06-25 09:51:55 AM  
My guess: The Russians have him. When he isn't being interrogated by Russian intelligence agents, he's shivering in a small uncomfortable cell in some remote part of Siberia.

Why would anybody think the Russians would let him go? Russians aren't like that.
 
2013-06-25 09:57:55 AM  

SweetMama: My guess: The Russians have him. When he isn't being interrogated by Russian intelligence agents, he's shivering in a small uncomfortable cell in some remote part of Siberia.

Why would anybody think the Russians would let him go? Russians aren't like that.


Oh I doubt it, he's MUCH more valuable free.  He's got the art of the "slow leak" down to an art apparently, and Putin is probably perfectly happy letting him roam the globe while releasing damning press every day.
 
2013-06-25 10:04:26 AM  
Chitlenz - no. That would be frivolous, and Putin is anything but frivolous. They will take away his passport and put him in a small room and "debrief" him, and find out everything he knows about hacking into American networks. Then they will use that information to steal our state secrets. Any advantage we may have had in terms of technology or military superiority is now lost. The Russians got it all. Snowden handed it to them.
 
2013-06-25 10:06:25 AM  

Kraln: dittybopper:
/Extra points for the person who can connect this post to the headline.

You mean how Lynne Thigpen was the Radio DJ from Warriors and also the Cheif from WITWICS?


Bingo.  Git that man a cee-gar!
 
2013-06-25 10:08:08 AM  

SweetMama: Chitlenz - no. That would be frivolous, and Putin is anything but frivolous. They will take away his passport and put him in a small room and "debrief" him, and find out everything he knows about hacking into American networks. Then they will use that information to steal our state secrets. Any advantage we may have had in terms of technology or military superiority is now lost. The Russians got it all. Snowden handed it to them.


That is certainly a whole lot of unsubstantiated bulljive and conjecture.  Got any evidence, slim, or you just like the surveillance state's sweet embrace?
 
2013-06-25 10:16:01 AM  

dittybopper: [i4.ytimg.com image 320x180]

All right now, for all you boppers out there in the big world, all you street people with an ear for the action, I've been asked to relay a request from the US Government. It's a special for Edward Snowden, that real live one from Booz Allen, and I do mean Edward Snowden. Here's a hit with them in mind.

/Extra points for the person who can connect this post to the headline.


Are the radio DJ and The Chief the same person???
 
2013-06-25 10:18:29 AM  
Robyr - I've been to Russia. It's different there. It's not like traveling in other countries. They don't just let anybody go through the airport who is in the mood to catch a connecting flight. It's not like that in Russia. Russians take security issues very seriously, and Snowden is both a threat and a windfall for them. They are not going to let him go. Not until they have extracted every secret he has.
 
2013-06-25 10:20:19 AM  

SweetMama: My guess: The Russians have him. When he isn't being interrogated by Russian intelligence agents, he's shivering in a small uncomfortable cell in some remote part of Siberia.

Why would anybody think the Russians would let him go? Russians aren't like that.



Based on what you've written here, I think your grasp of what Russians are like is based on some faulty intelligence.
 
2013-06-25 10:29:22 AM  
Vietnam.  Where he will join the party of the Ecuadorian foreign minister.
 
2013-06-25 10:29:25 AM  

SweetMama: My guess: The Russians have him. When he isn't being interrogated by Russian intelligence agents, he's shivering in a small uncomfortable cell in some remote part of Siberia.

Why would anybody think the Russians would let him go? Russians aren't like that.


Well for starters, Edward Snowden never got in to Russia.
 
2013-06-25 10:34:56 AM  

SweetMama: Robyr - I've been to Russia. It's different there. It's not like traveling in other countries. They don't just let anybody go through the airport who is in the mood to catch a connecting flight. It's not like that in Russia. Russians take security issues very seriously, and Snowden is both a threat and a windfall for them. They are not going to let him go. Not until they have extracted every secret he has.


So, more unsubstantiated conjecture and opinion?
 
2013-06-25 10:47:35 AM  
Robyr -- everything everybody is saying about Edward Snowden right now is conjecture. I just happen to think my conjecture is a bit more realistic. I think the Russians have him, and they are not going to let him go until they have gotten their hands on every last secret he knows. Right about now, I suspect Edward Snowden is thinking, oh my god... I've made a terrible mistake.
 
2013-06-25 10:52:17 AM  
This really does seem like a page out of a Jason Bourne story.

His plan was put into action LONG before we ever knew a single thing.  He got the job in Hawaii specifically to set this plan in motion. (citation is ABC News).  He then carefully started researching where to go, and how.  Somehow managed to stash enough money in places that wouldn't be immediately locked down or seized.  Obtained a passport that wasn't revoked until long after he started globetrotting.  Obtained internet connections and cellphones that apparently can't be traced, or likewise shutdown.


He KNEW what he was doing.  He knows so much about how people are tracked, and how those systems work that he long since learned how to circumvent them.
And when he finally decided it was time to pull the trigger, it seems that all the people in authority, that are supposed to prevent this sort of thing, totally got caught with their pants down.

Now, considering that he has taken it this far, and planned things THIS well...  What makes anyone in the world think he can be found?  He will almost certainly assume a new identity and totally dissappear.

He'll probably shave his beard, get contacts, die his hair, and move back to Hawaii and start working for the NSA again.  That would be a hoot.  Clearly they didn't check his background carefully enough last time.
 
2013-06-25 11:34:59 AM  
Via the BBC, citing confirmation by Putin himself, he's still in the pre-immigration area of a Moscow airport.
 
2013-06-25 11:35:10 AM  

durbnpoisn: He'll probably shave his beard, get contacts, die his hair, and move back to Hawaii and start working for the NSA again.  That would be a hoot.  Clearly they didn't check his background carefully enough last time.


Do tell, what exactly was in Edward Snowden's background that should have excluded him from a job at the NSA?

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2013-06-25 11:43:08 AM  

airsupport: dittybopper: [i4.ytimg.com image 320x180]

All right now, for all you boppers out there in the big world, all you street people with an ear for the action, I've been asked to relay a request from the US Government. It's a special for Edward Snowden, that real live one from Booz Allen, and I do mean Edward Snowden. Here's a hit with them in mind.

/Extra points for the person who can connect this post to the headline.

Are the radio DJ and The Chief the same person???


Why, yes, yes they are.
 
2013-06-25 11:46:19 AM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: durbnpoisn: He'll probably shave his beard, get contacts, die his hair, and move back to Hawaii and start working for the NSA again.  That would be a hoot.  Clearly they didn't check his background carefully enough last time.

Do tell, what exactly was in Edward Snowden's background that should have excluded him from a job at the NSA?

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Heh.

You know that warning that they place in advertisements for stuff like financial investments and lawyers?  How does that go?  Oh, yeah:   Prior performance does not guarantee future results.

Background checks are like that.  Sure, the person came up clean.  That doesn't mean he isn't going to steal from you.  It could just mean that he hasn't been caught yet.  Or maybe the circumstances weren't right.  Or maybe, just maybe mind you, the guy values the Constitution over his employment.
 
2013-06-25 11:48:17 AM  

Kraln: dittybopper:
/Extra points for the person who can connect this post to the headline.

You mean how Lynne Thigpen was the Radio DJ from Warriors and also the Cheif from WITWICS?


She was also The Moon in the "Bear in the big blue house" TV show.
 
2013-06-25 11:51:56 AM  

durbnpoisn: Now, considering that he has taken it this far, and planned things THIS well... What makes anyone in the world think he can be found? He will almost certainly assume a new identity and totally dissappear.


He's got a two day head start on us, which is more than he needs. Snowden's got friends in every town and village from here to the Sudan, he speaks a dozen languages, knows every local custom, he'll blend in, disappear, we'll never see him again. With any luck, he's released more secrets already.
 
2013-06-25 12:06:58 PM  

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: durbnpoisn: He'll probably shave his beard, get contacts, die his hair, and move back to Hawaii and start working for the NSA again.  That would be a hoot.  Clearly they didn't check his background carefully enough last time.

Do tell, what exactly was in Edward Snowden's background that should have excluded him from a job at the NSA?

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Well, clearly I have no answer to that question.  But if someone went into a job with the express purpose of being subversive, you'd have to assume that there was SOME indication from their past that they would do so.  Especially with such careful planning.

Last time I had a background check, I got a 9 page report back showing EVERYTHING I've ever done.  Fortunately for me, that wasn't anything bad.  But they had every place I've ever lived, what kinds of cars I owned, my girlfriend's house from 20 years ago, every place I'd worked, etc...  They even ran multiple reports with different spellings of my name, just to be sure.

All that for a mid level analyst position.  So, again...  You'd have to assume that the NSA is FAR more thorough than that.  And they found nothing that made this dude the slightest bit suspicious?!
 
2013-06-25 12:08:52 PM  
BTW:  I find that amusing as hell that I got the Willy Wonka meme.  I'd yet to be hit with that one.  :)
 
2013-06-25 12:27:37 PM  
If I was snowden; I would have done ANYTHING I could have to get on a different plane, either in Hong Kong or in Russia. I would have got a flight to Cuba through Russia, under my name and then pay cash for a flight somewhere else; possibly a different flight that day. I would be the last place anyone would ever look for me; Washington DC.

/ shave, loose the glasses, dye my hair and use my mother's maden name as my last name; they'd never find me
 
2013-06-25 01:00:33 PM  
Say what you want, but maybe he's just passing the time by playing a little solitaire.

\obscure?
 
2013-06-25 01:44:26 PM  
Thing is, if the US wants him badly enough, as soon as he's in international airspace or on international waters, they can get him by intercepting the boat, ship, or plane and diverting it to a "friendly" country.

That makes it really tricky for him to leave Moscow and get to Ecuador or wherever.

How it might go down is like this:

Plane is flying over the Atlantic, a couple of fighters suddenly appear in front of the cockpit, having avoided areas where they could be observed by the passengers by flying in from behind and below the passenger jet, and come up on frequency suggesting to the pilot, in the interest of all concerned, that he fake an emergency and land at the closest available airport (which happens to be US soil, or a country that won't stand in the way).

When the plane lands, he's pulled off the plane, plane gets "fixed", and the rest of the passengers complete their journey.
 
2013-06-25 01:47:39 PM  

dittybopper: Thing is, if the US wants him badly enough, as soon as he's in international airspace or on international waters, they can get him by intercepting the boat, ship, or plane and diverting it to a "friendly" country.

That makes it really tricky for him to leave Moscow and get to Ecuador or wherever.

How it might go down is like this:

Plane is flying over the Atlantic, a couple of fighters suddenly appear in front of the cockpit, having avoided areas where they could be observed by the passengers by flying in from behind and below the passenger jet, and come up on frequency suggesting to the pilot, in the interest of all concerned, that he fake an emergency and land at the closest available airport (which happens to be US soil, or a country that won't stand in the way).

When the plane lands, he's pulled off the plane, plane gets "fixed", and the rest of the passengers complete their journey.


And the nation whose airline that was knows exactly what happens, and will be furious.  You really think we're going to intercept a Russian civilian airliner over international waters just to get some pissant who pointed out what we already assumed was happening anyway?  Other than a little egg on their face over the whole deal, how bad does the administration even want this guy?
 
2013-06-25 02:04:00 PM  

iheartscotch: If I was snowden; I would have done ANYTHING I could have to get on a different plane, either in Hong Kong or in Russia. I would have got a flight to Cuba through Russia, under my name and then pay cash for a flight somewhere else; possibly a different flight that day. I would be the last place anyone would ever look for me; Washington DC.

/ shave, loose the glasses, dye my hair and use my mother's maden name as my last name; they'd never find me


This.  btw...  I essentially already said it.  Fark threads move very fast.

What he did was the equivellent of a Red Herring.  He threw everyone off his trail - such to a point that the whole plane was FULL of journalists just begging to interview him first hand.  How they all fell for such an obvious ruse could probably only be explained by the individuals knowing they'd get a free trip on an airplane.

In any case, he is probably no longer in Russia*.  He may not even have left Hong Kong.  All I can say with any sort of certainty is that, short of alien intervention, or death, he hasn't left this planet yet.


*If he IS still in Russia, he is sitting there listening to some guy with a thick Russian accent asking him to try the Vodka and happily tell what he knows.
 
2013-06-25 02:15:32 PM  

nekom: And the nation whose airline that was knows exactly what happens, and will be furious.  You really think we're going to intercept a Russian civilian airliner over international waters just to get some pissant who pointed out what we already assumed was happening anyway?  Other than a little egg on their face over the whole deal, how bad does the administration even want this guy?


Yes, they'll know.  The US will pay them compensation for the insult to their flag or whatever, and it will quickly be forgotten.
 
2013-06-25 02:18:37 PM  

dittybopper: nekom: And the nation whose airline that was knows exactly what happens, and will be furious.  You really think we're going to intercept a Russian civilian airliner over international waters just to get some pissant who pointed out what we already assumed was happening anyway?  Other than a little egg on their face over the whole deal, how bad does the administration even want this guy?

Yes, they'll know.  The US will pay them compensation for the insult to their flag or whatever, and it will quickly be forgotten.


Probably a lot easier, cheaper, less international incident-y to just have the CIA get him out of Ecuador.
 
2013-06-25 03:14:18 PM  

nekom: dittybopper: nekom: And the nation whose airline that was knows exactly what happens, and will be furious.  You really think we're going to intercept a Russian civilian airliner over international waters just to get some pissant who pointed out what we already assumed was happening anyway?  Other than a little egg on their face over the whole deal, how bad does the administration even want this guy?

Yes, they'll know.  The US will pay them compensation for the insult to their flag or whatever, and it will quickly be forgotten.

Probably a lot easier, cheaper, less international incident-y to just have the CIA get him out of Ecuador.


That might be problematic from a legal standpoint, and it's actually got the potential to go very, very, *VERY* wrong.  Like, shoot-out with the local authorities wrong.  Plus, you run the risk of setting up the operation and the person fleeing before you can nab them.  Transport is unique in that if a person is on a particular airplane or ship, they've got no where to run.

On the other hand, there isn't really all that much that can go too badly wrong with the fighter idea, presuming you aren't prepared to actually shoot the plane down.  Either the captain of the airline complies, and you nab Snowden on the ground, or he doesn't comply, and you simply go to plan B, which is to kidnap him in Ecuador.  That, of course, would take months or years to set up.
 
2013-06-25 03:52:22 PM  
Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday former U.S. spy agency contractor Edward Snowden was still in the transit area of Moscow's Sheremetyevo airport
 
2013-06-25 03:57:21 PM  

dittybopper: Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: durbnpoisn: He'll probably shave his beard, get contacts, die his hair, and move back to Hawaii and start working for the NSA again.  That would be a hoot.  Clearly they didn't check his background carefully enough last time.

Do tell, what exactly was in Edward Snowden's background that should have excluded him from a job at the NSA?

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Heh.

You know that warning that they place in advertisements for stuff like financial investments and lawyers?  How does that go?  Oh, yeah:   Prior performance does not guarantee future results.

Background checks are like that.  Sure, the person came up clean.  That doesn't mean he isn't going to steal from you.  It could just mean that he hasn't been caught yet.  Or maybe the circumstances weren't right.  Or maybe, just maybe mind you, the guy values the Constitution over his employment.


This part irks me.
The NSA failed the cold war lesson of first spying on one's self.  You've got to unleash these tools and tactics on your own employees to make sure they're not playing for the other team.
You'd think after all the spy, counter spy, and double agent shenanigans of WWII they'd more than know the consequences of not cleaning their own house before undertaking a massive op against the American public.

If this guy was doing it for the LULz then we can be assured others were spying for the cash. Enemy nations probably know the full story already. They are just salivating at the chance to tell the the world about our misdeeds without having to explain how they initially found out.

/And for all that trouble we can't find bombers, we can't find spies, and we can't find fugitives.
/We spent billions of dollars so some NSA goon could read his wife's text messages.
 
2013-06-25 04:10:32 PM  

way south: This part irks me.
The NSA failed the cold war lesson of first spying on one's self.  You've got to unleash these tools and tactics on your own employees to make sure they're not playing for the other team.
You'd think after all the spy, counter spy, and double agent shenanigans of WWII they'd more than know the consequences of not cleaning their own house before undertaking a massive op against the American public.

If this guy was doing it for the LULz then we can be assured others were spying for the cash. Enemy nations probably know the full story already. They are just salivating at the chance to tell the the world about our misdeeds without having to explain how they initially found out.

/And for all that trouble we can't find bombers, we can't find spies, and we can't find fugitives.
/We spent billions of dollars so some NSA goon could read his wife's text messages.


Here is the problem:  You could effectively lock down the entire apparatus so that no secret documents could leak out.

No one, however, would ever work for you.

So, you put up as much security as you feasibly can, consistent with being able to actually hire and retain people, and you hope for the best.
 
2013-06-25 04:13:20 PM  
Let me also point out:  I used to work in a SCIF, doing NSA stuff.
 
2013-06-25 04:51:23 PM  

dittybopper: Let me also point out:  I used to work in a SCIF, doing NSA stuff.


You missed your plane.
 
2013-06-25 08:01:01 PM  

airsupport: dittybopper: Let me also point out:  I used to work in a SCIF, doing NSA stuff.

You missed your plane.


Heh.  I first set foot in a SCIF before Mr. Snowden hit his 3rd birthday.
 
2013-06-26 12:26:03 AM  
I heard he was stuck at an airport. Is he snowed in?
 
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